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    TOPPING said:

    Am on Anna Soubry at 50s. I think an HoC with Soubry facing Kinnock at the despatch box would be a great step forward for UK politics.

    Weekend after next I'll do an Anna Soubry as Tory leader thread.

    I'll use this video

    http://youtu.be/NGFGoIVpe4E
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    glwglw Posts: 9,549
    CD13 said:

    Being afraid to hear contrary opinions is a sign of childhood.

    God knows what they think is the purpose of academic study if it doesn't involve hearing and examining contrary opinions.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,215

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    It's a fantastic irony that those who believe most fervently in multiculturalism and diversity are the ones most unable to cope with different points of view and reel in horror at the idea of taking a good idea from another culture. Even more so given that they don't realise that the very concept of a "culture" belonging to one group is, in essence, a collective fascist one - a belief that "culture" and "identity" need to be preserved in a "pure" state and that they "belong" only to an ethnic/national grouping

    The little darlings. Let's hope they grow up, eh?!
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    An interesting if rather long article on the Byzantine complexities of setting the rules for a contested GOP convention:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-cruz-work-block-kasich-ballot-open-convention-n549996
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,344



    I always mean to do a thread on Anna Soubry as next Tory leader.

    Even one of my friends who is an ardent leaver likes her approach to politics.

    The quote was she had Thatcheresque balls when she took on Nigel Farage for being such a scaremonger.

    Venturing a comment despite my obvious axe to grind: she's energetic and like Tony Blair and her mentor Ken Clarke her response to opposition is to try to argue against it rather than appease it - on gay marriage, when she encountered constituency opposition she called a public meeting to support it and told people that if it meant they wouldn't vote for her, so be it. The Tories could certainly do worse and it would see some real commitment in Number 10. Her weakness is that she not only doesn't suffer fools gladly (fair enough) but goes out of her way to harangue people and carelessly makes enemies out of neutrals, including inside the party.

    The constituency remains fairly marginal in historical terms: the 2010 national result wasn't very different from 1992, but in Broxtowe the Tory lead was 8% in 2015, compared with 16% in 1992. I'm not sure that that was especially to do with either her or me, though - the area has changed radically in demographic terms, with a lot of fairly expensive new housing (helping the Tories) and a lot of people moving out from Nottingham (helping Labour), making it quite hard to judge the underlying trend.

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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,320
    edited April 2016

    TOPPING said:

    Am on Anna Soubry at 50s. I think an HoC with Soubry facing Kinnock at the despatch box would be a great step forward for UK politics.

    Weekend after next I'll do an Anna Soubry as Tory leader thread.

    I'll use this video

    youtube clip snipped
    People forget the "Hazel Blears" not to say Saint MT effect. With let's face it dullards and fools for an electorate, MPs need to have the nuance of a jackhammer and Anna S has that. She puts over her point extremely well and easily steamrolls those who dissent.

    (Although I'm not sure that joke was her best for any number of reasons.)
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    Indigo said:

    felix said:

    Indigo said:

    felix said:

    Indigo said:

    felix said:

    Indigo said:

    felix said:

    From the comments below, it seems that the Labourites and leaver 'Conservatives' are against her.

    She must be doing something right!

    Spot on - everything on here atm is viewed through the Brexit prism. Pathetic and too tedious.
    Look in the mirror.

    It has nothing to do with BrExit and everything to do with her being a lightweight, replacing an exceptional, although disliked by teachers, education secretary. I and others have been criticizing her on this basis since Gove left if you look back in the archives, the fact that you think it's all about BrExit says more about you than us.
    Got up late today did you. Did you notice that Gove has backed her all the way or is he actually fallible?
    Yes I know he did, because BrExit aside he is a team player. Do you really think in private he is delighted that he had all those fights with the teachers just to watch her back pedal on half of them ?
    Ah - of course only you can read his mind for those private thoughts. Silly me for forgetting - although you do realise you're accusing him of hypocricy :)
    I see your reading comprehension hasn't improved any... had a good liquid lunch ?
    Oh dear - let's attack the man when you lose the argument. Saludo!
    So that's a yes. Since you were attacking me on very similar terms only minutes before, and then have the front to talk about hypocrisy, although not quite managing to spell it. ;)
    Oh for heaven's sake. Clearly I should be banned for slippery fingers on a tiny keyboard! You really are exceptionally nasty. Let's agree to ignore each other.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,296



    The constituency remains fairly marginal in historical terms: the 2010 national result wasn't very different from 1992, but in Broxtowe the Tory lead was 8% in 2015, compared with 16% in 1992. I'm not sure that that was especially to do with either her or me, though - the area has changed radically in demographic terms, with a lot of fairly expensive new housing (helping the Tories) and a lot of people moving out from Nottingham (helping Labour), making it quite hard to judge the underlying trend.

    Popular vote shares:

    1992: 43-34
    2015: 36-31

    Even allowing for that, the margin in Broxtowe was clearly narrower than a uniform swing would imply. But the result in 1992 was much more emphatic than in 1992, and the gap therefore not so great as you imply.

    Ironically, one way it was similar was of the very different way the marginals behaved from the rest of the country, but the effect was the polar opposite. In 1992 on a uniform swing Major would have had a majority of 77: in 2015, a uniform swing would have seen the Conservatives more or less stand still instead of making a net gain of 25 seats.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,466

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,320

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
    Maybe if they had a business strategy they wouldn't be so far in the Brown stuff
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,320

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
    Maybe if they had a business strategy they wouldn't be so far in the Brown stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
    Maybe if they had a business strategy they wouldn't be so far in the Brown stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.
    I'm against our government driving our businesses to the wall with stupid policies such as daft energy prices.

    I'm also against the erosion of our tax base from dumping.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,320

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
    Maybe if they had a business strategy they wouldn't be so far in the Brown stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.
    I'm against our government driving our businesses to the wall with stupid policies such as daft energy prices.

    I'm also against the erosion of our tax base from dumping.
    Which is part of the reason why we're so grateful you voted the Cons back in and didn't let EdM (chief architect of those very same energy prices) anywhere near the reins.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
    Maybe if they had a business strategy they wouldn't be so far in the Brown stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.
    I'm against our government driving our businesses to the wall with stupid policies such as daft energy prices.

    I'm also against the erosion of our tax base from dumping.
    Which is part of the reason why we're so grateful you voted the Cons back in and didn't let EdM (chief architect of those very same energy prices) anywhere near the reins.
    I haven't voted Con since 2010.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,044
    Following on from the earlier off-topic loveliness: Blue Origin have successfully launched and landed the same rocket for a third time.
    http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/04/blue-origin-reusable-rocket-cheap-space-launch-details/
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,320

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
    Maybe if they had a business strategy they wouldn't be so far in the Brown stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.
    I'm against our government driving our businesses to the wall with stupid policies such as daft energy prices.

    I'm also against the erosion of our tax base from dumping.
    Which is part of the reason why we're so grateful you voted the Cons back in and didn't let EdM (chief architect of those very same energy prices) anywhere near the reins.
    I haven't voted Con since 2010.
    You're playing a dangerous game with our economy, you know.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    ydoethur said:



    The constituency remains fairly marginal in historical terms: the 2010 national result wasn't very different from 1992, but in Broxtowe the Tory lead was 8% in 2015, compared with 16% in 1992. I'm not sure that that was especially to do with either her or me, though - the area has changed radically in demographic terms, with a lot of fairly expensive new housing (helping the Tories) and a lot of people moving out from Nottingham (helping Labour), making it quite hard to judge the underlying trend.

    Popular vote shares:

    1992: 43-34
    2015: 36-31

    Even allowing for that, the margin in Broxtowe was clearly narrower than a uniform swing would imply. But the result in 1992 was much more emphatic than in 1992, and the gap therefore not so great as you imply.

    Ironically, one way it was similar was of the very different way the marginals behaved from the rest of the country, but the effect was the polar opposite. In 1992 on a uniform swing Major would have had a majority of 77: in 2015, a uniform swing would have seen the Conservatives more or less stand still instead of making a net gain of 25 seats.
    How different would the 1992-97 Parliament been (and its effects in the 97 election) had Major actually got a 77 seat majority? The bastards would have been much less of an issue.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
    Maybe if they had a business strategy they wouldn't be so far in the Brown stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.
    I'm against our government driving our businesses to the wall with stupid policies such as daft energy prices.

    I'm also against the erosion of our tax base from dumping.
    Which is part of the reason why we're so grateful you voted the Cons back in and didn't let EdM (chief architect of those very same energy prices) anywhere near the reins.
    I haven't voted Con since 2010.
    You're playing a dangerous game with our economy, you know.
    Not in the least. Osborne is simply Continuity Brown.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
    Maybe if they had a business strategy they wouldn't be so far in the Brown stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.
    I'm against our government driving our businesses to the wall with stupid policies such as daft energy prices.

    I'm also against the erosion of our tax base from dumping.
    Which is part of the reason why we're so grateful you voted the Cons back in and didn't let EdM (chief architect of those very same energy prices) anywhere near the reins.
    I haven't voted Con since 2010.
    You're playing a dangerous game with our economy, you know.
    Not in the least. Osborne is simply Continuity Brown.
    After all wasn't Brown famous for constantly cutting spending in real times. He was a true iron chancellor afterall ...
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    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
    Maybe if they had a business strategy they wouldn't be so far in the Brown stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.
    I'm against our government driving our businesses to the wall with stupid policies such as daft energy prices.

    I'm also against the erosion of our tax base from dumping.
    Which is part of the reason why we're so grateful you voted the Cons back in and didn't let EdM (chief architect of those very same energy prices) anywhere near the reins.
    I haven't voted Con since 2010.
    You're playing a dangerous game with our economy, you know.
    Not in the least. Osborne is simply Continuity Brown.
    Nonsense.

    Osborne has actually abolished boom and bust. :lol:

    Just look at his jobs miracle.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Good afternoon, everyone.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
    Maybe if they had a business strategy they wouldn't be so far in the Brown stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.
    I'm against our government driving our businesses to the wall with stupid policies such as daft energy prices.

    I'm also against the erosion of our tax base from dumping.
    Which is part of the reason why we're so grateful you voted the Cons back in and didn't let EdM (chief architect of those very same energy prices) anywhere near the reins.
    I haven't voted Con since 2010.
    You're playing a dangerous game with our economy, you know.
    Not in the least. Osborne is simply Continuity Brown.
    Nonsense.

    Osborne has actually abolished boom and bust. :lol:

    Just look at his jobs miracle.
    I give him credit for increasing employment young Eagles

    But he's not really doing much on UNemployment.

    Lot's of job creation for bulgarians but why exactly do we still have 1.7 million unemployed under such benign conditions ?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,296

    ydoethur said:



    The constituency remains fairly marginal in historical terms: the 2010 national result wasn't very different from 1992, but in Broxtowe the Tory lead was 8% in 2015, compared with 16% in 1992. I'm not sure that that was especially to do with either her or me, though - the area has changed radically in demographic terms, with a lot of fairly expensive new housing (helping the Tories) and a lot of people moving out from Nottingham (helping Labour), making it quite hard to judge the underlying trend.

    Popular vote shares:

    1992: 43-34
    2015: 36-31

    Even allowing for that, the margin in Broxtowe was clearly narrower than a uniform swing would imply. But the result in 1992 was much more emphatic than in 1992, and the gap therefore not so great as you imply.

    Ironically, one way it was similar was of the very different way the marginals behaved from the rest of the country, but the effect was the polar opposite. In 1992 on a uniform swing Major would have had a majority of 77: in 2015, a uniform swing would have seen the Conservatives more or less stand still instead of making a net gain of 25 seats.
    How different would the 1992-97 Parliament been (and its effects in the 97 election) had Major actually got a 77 seat majority? The bastards would have been much less of an issue.
    My guess would be Major would have turned into Brown - a Prime Minister clearly mortally wounded but not actually imploding, and still able to bestir himself to govern effectively at crucial moments - and there would have been a hung Parliament not a Labour landslide in 1997, with Blair coalescing with Ashdown and introducing electoral reform. Hague would not have become leader as Rifkind and Portillo would have held their seats. The Conservatives would still have been a formidable presence until the first election under the new rules, when they would have been squeezed somewhat.

    Then things would have been very different. And probably much better for everyone.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Following on from the earlier off-topic loveliness: Blue Origin have successfully launched and landed the same rocket for a third time.
    http://arstechnica.co.uk/science/2016/04/blue-origin-reusable-rocket-cheap-space-launch-details/

    I know rockets are all fairly phallic, but that just takes the piss.
    http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/ascent.jpg
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    AB.. Because most of that 1.7 million are bone idle
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I give him credit for increasing employment young Eagles

    But he's not really doing much on UNemployment.

    Lot's of job creation for bulgarians but why exactly do we still have 1.7 million unemployed under such benign conditions ?

    Unemployment is at 5% or long term 'full employment' levels. There will always be unemployment due to frictional unemployment etc
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    A number of polls out today.

    BMG voting intention Con 36%, Lab 31%, UKIP 16%, Others 17%.

    Opinium London Mayor, Khan leads 54/46% on second preferences.

    Yougov, Doctor's strike action 44% support a full strike, 37% oppose it.
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,913

    Is it just me? I really don't give a toss about the Panama stuff.

    It's just you because it doesn't fit your political agenda whereas some dopey girl putting her hand up in a SU meeting is far more politically important .
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    AB.. Because most of that 1.7 million are bone idle

    or under skilled or allowed to live a life on benefits. But why after 6 years is that large rump still there ? It's not as if you can't encourage people in to work or train them skills in that timeframe.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    OllyT said:

    Is it just me? I really don't give a toss about the Panama stuff.

    It's just you because it doesn't fit your political agenda whereas some dopey girl putting her hand up in a SU meeting is far more politically important .
    I am sure there will be plenty of interest when someone who isn't a hasbeen or a neverwas is implicated, at the moment it's just a little bit meh...
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,320

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A univ a student council meeting.
    When And 'triggering'.
    awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are yf t control.
    own stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.


    I'm also against the erosion of our tax base from dumping.
    Which is part of the reason why we're so grateful you voted the Cons back in and didn't let EdM (chief architect of those very same energy prices) anywhere near the reins.
    I haven't voted Con since 2010.
    You're playing a dangerous game with our economy, you know.
    Not in the least. Osborne is simply Continuity Brown.
    As opposed to....?

    Look, I am disappointed that he didn't cut spending and cut it properly. Who'd have thought the Cons would be so scared of their own shadow that they would sail forth into u-turn after u-turn.

    However, this is a bit of a chalk and apples situation. "We" as Cons supporters are allowed to talk like this. Lab supporters aren't because they are economically illiterate and nor can I see them cutting as perhaps you and certainly I would have liked, although Cons must understand that for a country issuing its own currency there was never an issue with default as some have said.

    And as for anyone else, Greens, UKIP, LDs, it is irrelevant because they are never going to form a government.

    And finally, there was and is real hardship out there. You can't put all the state dependents on cold turkey because your econometrics course told you to.

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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:



    The constituency remains fairly marginal in historical terms: the 2010 national result wasn't very different from 1992, but in Broxtowe the Tory lead was 8% in 2015, compared with 16% in 1992. I'm not sure that that was especially to do with either her or me, though - the area has changed radically in demographic terms, with a lot of fairly expensive new housing (helping the Tories) and a lot of people moving out from Nottingham (helping Labour), making it quite hard to judge the underlying trend.

    Popular vote shares:

    1992: 43-34
    2015: 36-31

    Even allowing for that, the margin in Broxtowe was clearly narrower than a uniform swing would imply. But the result in 1992 was much more emphatic than in 1992, and the gap therefore not so great as you imply.

    Ironically, one way it was similar was of the very different way the marginals behaved from the rest of the country, but the effect was the polar opposite. In 1992 on a uniform swing Major would have had a majority of 77: in 2015, a uniform swing would have seen the Conservatives more or less stand still instead of making a net gain of 25 seats.
    How different would the 1992-97 Parliament been (and its effects in the 97 election) had Major actually got a 77 seat majority? The bastards would have been much less of an issue.
    My guess would be Major would have turned into Brown - a Prime Minister clearly mortally wounded but not actually imploding, and still able to bestir himself to govern effectively at crucial moments - and there would have been a hung Parliament not a Labour landslide in 1997, with Blair coalescing with Ashdown and introducing electoral reform. Hague would not have become leader as Rifkind and Portillo would have held their seats. The Conservatives would still have been a formidable presence until the first election under the new rules, when they would have been squeezed somewhat.

    Then things would have been very different. And probably much better for everyone.
    Personally I doubt that there would have been a hung Parliament but instead of a 179 seat majority, Blair (for I see little reason it wouldn't be him in this scenario) would have likely an approximately 100 seat majority. Still a considerable victory but not as much.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
    Maybe if they had a business strategy they wouldn't be so far in the Brown stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.
    I'm against our government driving our businesses to the wall with stupid policies such as daft energy prices.

    I'm also against the erosion of our tax base from dumping.
    Which is part of the reason why we're so grateful you voted the Cons back in and didn't let EdM (chief architect of those very same energy prices) anywhere near the reins.
    But six years laters the same energy policy is there, its no use not voting a guy in, if the guys you do vote in keep his same idiotic policies.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Golly, have you just stood in warm cat sick? Or perhaps on a plug?
    OllyT said:

    Is it just me? I really don't give a toss about the Panama stuff.

    It's just you because it doesn't fit your political agenda whereas some dopey girl putting her hand up in a SU meeting is far more politically important .
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited April 2016
    AB It is simply because they do not want to work for the money on offer..(and to become skilled or trained in a job you must first get one)..whereas the Bulgarians are only too willing..not much any Chancellor can do about that under the present circumstances.. .
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,320
    Indigo said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A university student was threatened with being thrown out of a meeting after being accused of violating “safe space” rules - by raising her hand.

    Ms Wilson, 22, was subject to a “safe space complaint” over her supposedly “inappropriate hand gestures” during a student council meeting.
    When Generation Snowflake are released into the real world, there are going to be a lot of tears. And 'triggering'.
    They'll probably end up in the public sector.
    A new generation of diversity coordinators awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are you kidding me? By that time if the Cons maintain this supine idiocy every industry in the UK will be under state control.
    Maybe if they had a business strategy they wouldn't be so far in the Brown stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.
    I'm against our government driving our businesses to the wall with stupid policies such as daft energy prices.

    I'm also against the erosion of our tax base from dumping.
    Which is part of the reason why we're so grateful you voted the Cons back in and didn't let EdM (chief architect of those very same energy prices) anywhere near the reins.
    But six years laters the same energy policy is there, its no use not voting a guy in, if the guys you do vote in keep his same idiotic policies.
    Yes as mentioned, I really don't get the supineness of the Cons. Then again, plenty of stupid green subsidies have been rolled back.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    TOPPING said:

    And finally, there was and is real hardship out there. You can't put all the state dependents on cold turkey because your econometrics course told you to.

    Less sweeties for the rich and especially the rich-old wouldn't have done any harm to the economy.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    edited April 2016
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Imagine being the unfortunate manager who recruits them. :open_mouth:

    Anorak said:

    Indigo said:

    Michael Deacon
    Student Feminist Banned From Student Feminist Facebook Group for Asking Why They Keep Banning People https://t.co/lvYfSHgesX

    Seems to be the day for it

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/03/student-accused-of-violating-university-safe-space-by-raising-he/
    A univ a student council meeting.
    When And 'triggering'.
    awaits us.
    That's assuming there will still be a public sector in its present form.
    Are yf t control.
    own stuff
    As advocated by Len?

    Didn't have you down as a heavy-handed statist.


    I'm also against the erosion of our tax base from dumping.
    Which is part of the reason why we're so grateful you voted the Cons back in and didn't let EdM (chief architect of those very same energy prices) anywhere near the reins.
    I haven't voted Con since 2010.
    You're playing a dangerous game with our economy, you know.
    Not in the least. Osborne is simply Continuity Brown.
    As opposed to....?

    Look, I am disappointed that he didn't cut spending and cut it properly. Who'd have thought the Cons would be so scared of their own shadow that they would sail forth into u-turn after u-turn.
    You can't put all the state dependents on cold turkey because your econometrics course told you to.

    It's not the spending I really criticise him for that's simply cash management. It's the lack of reform in the economy, on taxation , on banking reform, on rebalancing the economy ( those BOP figures are a shocker ), on the pointless dicking about with small spin driven measures and genrally hogging one of the great offices of state whilst having no clear cut idea of what to do.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Nouveau thread.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758

    AB It is simply because they do not want to work for the money on offer..whereas the Bulgarians are only too willing..not much any Chancellor can do about that under the present circumstances.. .

    Actually there is lots. Introduce workfare to break the cycle of sitting at home, stop immigration from non-Eu countries unless it's for essential skills, get some of the more labour intensive industries like construction employing people etc.
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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    Good afternoon.

    Has anybody heard of what's happening in Poland regarding reproductive rights? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/03/warsaw-protest-against-proposed-abortion-ban

    I am horrified. Thank god I am British....
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,320

    It's not the spending I really criticise him for that's simply cash management. It's the lack of reform in the economy, on taxation , on banking reform, on rebalancing the economy ( those BOP figures are a shocker ), on the pointless dicking about with small spin driven measures and genrally hogging one of the great offices of state whilst having no clear cut idea of what to do.

    But other than that Mrs Lincoln?

    Actually it is the spending. A lot of time and effort is taken up by generating money to p&ss up the wall, or create a client state. Some of the brightest Lab people I know will argue till the cows come home that we didn't need austerity but they admit that GB spent too much.

    GO inherited an economy which everyone said was out of control. It's the alligators and draining the swamp joke. He had to try to cut spending but that, he found, and which I agree is an indication of his naivety, is easier said than done (or not done, eventually, in several cases).

    You mention reform, and an industrial strategy. But my guess is that "the deficit" came to be all pervasive and everything seen, apart from a bit of tinkering, through the deficit prism.

    Now, does that make him a bad chancellor? Focusing on the one thing that dominated the debate and got the Cons voted in in the first place? Perhaps. But had he gone immediately off-book and taxed rich pensioners or tried to offer costly incentives to rebalance the economy, I believe he might easily not have got his second term in office.

    Plus the alternative would have been and still is worse.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,758
    TOPPING said:

    It's not the spending I really criticise him for that's simply cash management. It's the lack of reform in the economy, on taxation , on banking reform, on rebalancing the economy ( those BOP figures are a shocker ), on the pointless dicking about with small spin driven measures and genrally hogging one of the great offices of state whilst having no clear cut idea of what to do.

    But other than that Mrs Lincoln?

    Actually it is the spending. A lot of time and effort is taken up by generating money to p&ss up the wall, or create a client state. Some of the brightest Lab people I know will argue till the cows come home that we didn't need austerity but they admit that GB spent too much.

    GO inherited an economy which everyone said was out of control. It's the alligators and draining the swamp joke. He had to try to cut spending but that, he found, and which I agree is an indication of his naivety, is easier said than done (or not done, eventually, in several cases).

    You mention reform, and an industrial strategy. But my guess is that "the deficit" came to be all pervasive and everything seen, apart from a bit of tinkering, through the deficit prism.

    Now, does that make him a bad chancellor? Focusing on the one thing that dominated the debate and got the Cons voted in in the first place? Perhaps. But had he gone immediately off-book and taxed rich pensioners or tried to offer costly incentives to rebalance the economy, I believe he might easily not have got his second term in office.

    Plus the alternative would have been and still is worse.
    No he's had 6 years and in that time he could put forward reforms which would increase the underlying rate of economic performance. These are cumulative and lessen his problem over time. he didn't and we are all paying the price and will continue to. Even today he still has no idea what to do except play the spin game. he should go.

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