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    Pulpstar said:

    taffys said:

    GOP officials expecting record turnout for IOWA, according to one tweet...not sure who that favours.......Cruz?

    Trump
    Trump's Top!
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    As it's a bit calm before the storm, a spot of unscientific market research:
    how long does it take people to read through the first part of a trilogy and want to buy the second [if they like the first]?

    Thinking of fantasy, specifically, so The First Law, Broken Empire, etc. I'd guess something like 2-3 weeks. [It's some way off, but if I have part 2 finished before I release part 1, I could time the release of the second book to try and crest the wave of demand]. I have a vague notion a six week gap might be optimal.
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    Pulpstar said:

    So, with this pensions grab, do all those earning over £210,000 a year lose all tax relief on their pension contributions?

    What a problem to have !

    Shorely anyone on that sort of cash hit the "lifetime limit" about 5 years ago ?
    People on basic rate get a 20p gift in every£1 towards their pension.
    People on higher rate get a 40p gift in every£1 towards their pension.

    Fairness is a bit of a puzzle aint it?
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Trump's Top!

    The Trumpen proletariat.....????
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    edited February 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    So, with this pensions grab, do all those earning over £210,000 a year lose all tax relief on their pension contributions?

    What a problem to have !

    Shorely anyone on that sort of cash hit the "lifetime limit" about 5 years ago ?
    People on basic rate get a 20p gift in every£1 towards their pension.
    People on higher rate get a 40p gift in every£1 towards their pension.

    Fairness is a bit of a puzzle aint it?
    George should just pick the revenue neutral point of those two.

    If he plays this right he could get alot of votes from the 20-40k crowd.

    Noone in their right mind earning any more will turn out for Corbyn.
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    'It wasn't worth the hassle to fight the Lords, there would have been eternal Ping-Pong. Best to cut the legs off the Lords by radical reform.'

    They won't do that. Its existence is another convenient excuse to do nothing (nothing conservative, anyway).
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    John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    Yes Osborne is failing on investment and skills, but coming from Labour that's just plain laughable. For 13 years you did even worse.

    Good afternoon all. I think this is it in a nutshell. Osborne doesn't have to be good. He simply has to be better than John McDonnell. This is not hard.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,074

    Pulpstar said:

    So, with this pensions grab, do all those earning over £210,000 a year lose all tax relief on their pension contributions?

    What a problem to have !

    Shorely anyone on that sort of cash hit the "lifetime limit" about 5 years ago ?
    People on basic rate get a 20p gift in every£1 towards their pension.
    People on higher rate get a 40p gift in every£1 towards their pension.

    Fairness is a bit of a puzzle aint it?
    I think the point is that people are taxed when they get income from their pension. If you just kept your pension money in used fivers under their bed, then there would be no income tax levied when you spent it.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,745

    As it's a bit calm before the storm, a spot of unscientific market research:
    how long does it take people to read through the first part of a trilogy and want to buy the second [if they like the first]?

    Thinking of fantasy, specifically, so The First Law, Broken Empire, etc. I'd guess something like 2-3 weeks. [It's some way off, but if I have part 2 finished before I release part 1, I could time the release of the second book to try and crest the wave of demand]. I have a vague notion a six week gap might be optimal.

    Assuming it takes around 3 months for a book to reach the charity shops, a further 3 months for me to find a copy and buy it, it would then join the bottom of my reading pile. I would then get round to reading it about six months later. On that basis, I would say a minimum of a year. (I may not be your typical reader!)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    On Iowa, a note of caution - I remember the rumours coming out back in May on GE day. Great way to empty your bank account to pay too much attention to "turnout" rumours.
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    Pulpstar said:

    On Iowa, a note of caution - I remember the rumours coming out back in May on GE day. Great way to empty your bank account to pay too much attention to "turnout" rumours.

    Worse to believe Iowa rumours: in Iowa you have to sit there for two hours, then stick your hand up. It is an idiosyncratic process all of its own. To apply any pre-held belief (e.g. "strong turnout good for Trump") to it would be madness.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I thought GOP used secret ballot and Dems used hands up

    Pulpstar said:

    On Iowa, a note of caution - I remember the rumours coming out back in May on GE day. Great way to empty your bank account to pay too much attention to "turnout" rumours.

    Worse to believe Iowa rumours: in Iowa you have to sit there for two hours, then stick your hand up. It is an idiosyncratic process all of its own. To apply any pre-held belief (e.g. "strong turnout good for Trump") to it would be madness.
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    Mr. Rentool, as you say, probably atypical, but interesting nevertheless.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,007
    edited February 2016
    EU Poll article ft Mike Smithson in the Telegraph

    "Despite admitting significant errors in their methods before last year’s general election, opinion pollsters are again publishing regular surveys purporting to show what people are thinking about staying or leaving the EU.

    The pollsters are using the same methods to find respondents, though they insist they have learned from last year’s experience and improved the way they “weight” their sample groups to reflect the country as a whole.

    And despite last year’s experience, politicians and campaigners are once again putting great faith in the polls, and using them as a barometer of voters’ opinions. "

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12134110/How-EU-referendum-polls-are-getting-it-wrong-amid-a-cloud-of-uncertainty.html
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002

    Pulpstar said:

    On Iowa, a note of caution - I remember the rumours coming out back in May on GE day. Great way to empty your bank account to pay too much attention to "turnout" rumours.

    Worse to believe Iowa rumours: in Iowa you have to sit there for two hours, then stick your hand up. It is an idiosyncratic process all of its own. To apply any pre-held belief (e.g. "strong turnout good for Trump") to it would be madness.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430546/iowa-caucuses-donald-trump-vs-ted-cruz-turnout-key

    Well National review reckons 135,000 caucus goers on the Republican side is "tipping point".

    Wonder what the number is for Bernie ?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    So, with this pensions grab, do all those earning over £210,000 a year lose all tax relief on their pension contributions?

    What a problem to have !

    Shorely anyone on that sort of cash hit the "lifetime limit" about 5 years ago ?
    People on basic rate get a 20p gift in every£1 towards their pension.
    People on higher rate get a 40p gift in every£1 towards their pension.

    Fairness is a bit of a puzzle aint it?
    I think the point is that people are taxed when they get income from their pension. If you just kept your pension money in used fivers under their bed, then there would be no income tax levied when you spent it.
    Didn't know you were a tradesman, @rcs1000 :D !
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    Pong said:

    Scott_P said:

    Oh dear

    @spectator: Does John McDonnell have any savings for a rainy day?https://t.co/MoCqrBOVfV https://t.co/ZIHR0nm6zo

    "But aside from down and outs there can’t be many 64-year-olds who don’t have any cash in a savings account"

    Spectator journalists live in an odd, odd bubble.
    I'm sure there are millions of them, but not a lot of MPs among that number.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,172
    SeanT said:

    I so want Trump to win the nom and the prez. More importantly I think he'd be good at it. Give America some pride, lead the free world again, and he'd be socially liberal even as he nuked Isis.

    He's Ronald Reagan, redux. Sadly he won't win.

    Reagan was not anti immigrant like Trump nor as potentially reckless abroad
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Pulpstar said:

    On Iowa, a note of caution - I remember the rumours coming out back in May on GE day. Great way to empty your bank account to pay too much attention to "turnout" rumours.

    Worse to believe Iowa rumours: in Iowa you have to sit there for two hours, then stick your hand up. It is an idiosyncratic process all of its own. To apply any pre-held belief (e.g. "strong turnout good for Trump") to it would be madness.
    You get to sit for a couple of hours, but you don't stick your hand up. At a Democrat caucus you physically go and stand next to the spokesman of the candidate you support and they take a head count. At a Republican caucus after the speeches you fill out a secret ballot.

    At both Democrat and Republican caucuses results are reported by a smart phone app written by Microsoft.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Pulpstar said:

    On Iowa, a note of caution - I remember the rumours coming out back in May on GE day. Great way to empty your bank account to pay too much attention to "turnout" rumours.

    Oh no, you're completely wrong there Pulp.

    Pay attention to turnout rumours. Pay lots of attention to them, then keep your head if the odds go crazy.

    Back on indyref day I was laying >95% turnout as low as 5/2.

    More than 19 out of 20 people on the electoral register voting is basically impossible in a free election, yet someone tweeting about "My polling station closed early because everyone voted!" seemed to have some punters convinced.
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    #burgonwatch

    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes 40 mins40 minutes ago
    Frontbencher @RichardBurgon, AKA the farting commie, is at the despatch box, repeating "bankers" over and over again. Man is a moron.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,995

    As it's a bit calm before the storm, a spot of unscientific market research:
    how long does it take people to read through the first part of a trilogy and want to buy the second [if they like the first]?

    Thinking of fantasy, specifically, so The First Law, Broken Empire, etc. I'd guess something like 2-3 weeks. [It's some way off, but if I have part 2 finished before I release part 1, I could time the release of the second book to try and crest the wave of demand]. I have a vague notion a six week gap might be optimal.

    One or two days. I'll know by then if I want to continue with the trilogy. I read The First Law in a fortnight, Farseer Trilogy followed by Liveships Trilogy in two months, and all five books of ASOIAF in two months.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @patrickwintour: Corbyn team say they must be ready for leadership challenge after May round of elections. Source Socialist Worker. https://t.co/W096Ro0nLl
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    Mr. F, cheers. Without spoilers, what did you think of the Liveships Trilogy? I've read the Farseer and Tawny Man trilogies and enjoyed both of those.
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869

    Pong said:

    Scott_P said:

    Oh dear

    @spectator: Does John McDonnell have any savings for a rainy day?https://t.co/MoCqrBOVfV https://t.co/ZIHR0nm6zo

    "But aside from down and outs there can’t be many 64-year-olds who don’t have any cash in a savings account"

    Spectator journalists live in an odd, odd bubble.
    It is a very risky strategy for anyone that age not to have a penny of savings. Especially someone on the salary that McDonnell has.
    IIRC, it was once a favourite Labour line that "We will look after our people from the cradle to the grave". Who needs savings?
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Saw..Burgon sounds like he went to the same media speechmaking course as Burnham..both are pathetic in delivery and totally lose whatever message they trying to send
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,995
    SeanT said:

    Gordon Brown got 11 years before his luck ran out. George Osborne will be lucky if he gets as long.
    That will be no use to Labour if they are still less trusted.

    Just what inheritance did Brown get?
    Compare that to a £160 billion deficit and a bunch of bankrupt banks and a shattered economy.
    A whole bunch of embittered usual suspects are just hyperventilating with hysteria around here.
    The amount of rational thought is close to zero.
    A pretty sad bunch.
    Brown got an awful inheritance in terms of public services - schools literally rotting away (one of them in my patch closed several times a year because they couldn't replace the boiler; another was in "temporary" accommodation built in 1916, a third had gaping roof holes that they couldn't do more than patch), NHS waiting times of two years commonplace. The economy was indeed starting to reocver of the nightmare of Black Wednesday a few years before, but a fair description overall would be "improving but still grim".

    That, flightpath, is why the Tories lost by the biggest landslide in recent times, and why they failed to get more than a fractional majority in either 2010 or 2015. People got bored with Labour, but they don't actually like the Conservatives.
    What a dismal pile of lies. When brown first went into Number 11 in 1997 he was famously told that he was very lucky, as the economy was growing, borrowing was falling, unemployment was on the way down, and he was in the best position faced by any new chancellor in decades.

    Brown turned on the civil servants and said, "What do you want me to do, write the Tories a fucking thank you letter?"

    No one denies this story. It is accepted truth. Away with your pish and cant.
    IIRC, GDP per head rose by about 45% between 1979 and 1997. The economy was in a very good place in 1997.

    Public services however, were still at much the same level of the late 1970s/early 1980s. Peoples' expectations had risen along with their own incomes.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,995

    Mr. F, cheers. Without spoilers, what did you think of the Liveships Trilogy? I've read the Farseer and Tawny Man trilogies and enjoyed both of those.

    I've not yet read the Tawny Man. I thought Liveships was outstanding, probably even better than Farseer. Unusually for fantasy, it's set in world very reminiscent of the West Indies/Americas in the 17th century.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Tim_B said:

    Pulpstar said:

    On Iowa, a note of caution - I remember the rumours coming out back in May on GE day. Great way to empty your bank account to pay too much attention to "turnout" rumours.

    Worse to believe Iowa rumours: in Iowa you have to sit there for two hours, then stick your hand up. It is an idiosyncratic process all of its own. To apply any pre-held belief (e.g. "strong turnout good for Trump") to it would be madness.
    You get to sit for a couple of hours, but you don't stick your hand up. At a Democrat caucus you physically go and stand next to the spokesman of the candidate you support and they take a head count. At a Republican caucus after the speeches you fill out a secret ballot.

    At both Democrat and Republican caucuses results are reported by a smart phone app written by Microsoft.
    I'm very happy the Republican system isn't like the Democrat one this time round tbh !
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    Tim_B said:

    Pulpstar said:

    On Iowa, a note of caution - I remember the rumours coming out back in May on GE day. Great way to empty your bank account to pay too much attention to "turnout" rumours.

    Worse to believe Iowa rumours: in Iowa you have to sit there for two hours, then stick your hand up. It is an idiosyncratic process all of its own. To apply any pre-held belief (e.g. "strong turnout good for Trump") to it would be madness.
    You get to sit for a couple of hours, but you don't stick your hand up. At a Democrat caucus you physically go and stand next to the spokesman of the candidate you support and they take a head count. At a Republican caucus after the speeches you fill out a secret ballot.

    At both Democrat and Republican caucuses results are reported by a smart phone app written by Microsoft.
    Well, I consider myself educated, but I think my point still stands!


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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869

    As it's a bit calm before the storm, a spot of unscientific market research:
    how long does it take people to read through the first part of a trilogy and want to buy the second [if they like the first]?

    Thinking of fantasy, specifically, so The First Law, Broken Empire, etc. I'd guess something like 2-3 weeks. [It's some way off, but if I have part 2 finished before I release part 1, I could time the release of the second book to try and crest the wave of demand]. I have a vague notion a six week gap might be optimal.

    A few hours. Say 1 day, to be on the safe side.
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    Mr. F, that is an unusual setting. The Terrarch Chronicles, of which I've read 2-3, are in a fantasy world but the tech level is muskets and the like. I think Clifford Beal's stuff is around 17th century or so.

    No idea if it'll go anywhere (got a number of major projects on so I can't go beyond this) but I wrote a steampunk short a while ago which has a comparable tech level. It was quite interesting to research, not least because I discovered the pepperbox pistol, an ancient revolver which has the barrels revolve. They were not very popular as they did have a tendency to explode.
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    McDonnell's pension (not the MP one which will be very substantial no doubt ) but 'just' the £14,421pa is worth £288,420. That's for the lifetime allowance test anyway.

    I presume he got the tax free cash entitlement at the same time as whenever he started getting that pension and which may have been 3x that pension - unless he commuted and took less income, more tax free cash..

    and yet no taxable savings income?

    For personal pension savers, we'd need to amass nearly £500,000 to get an income with the likely features he's receiving...

    Just saying.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Pulpstar said:

    On Iowa, a note of caution - I remember the rumours coming out back in May on GE day. Great way to empty your bank account to pay too much attention to "turnout" rumours.

    Worse to believe Iowa rumours: in Iowa you have to sit there for two hours, then stick your hand up. It is an idiosyncratic process all of its own. To apply any pre-held belief (e.g. "strong turnout good for Trump") to it would be madness.
    You get to sit for a couple of hours, but you don't stick your hand up. At a Democrat caucus you physically go and stand next to the spokesman of the candidate you support and they take a head count. At a Republican caucus after the speeches you fill out a secret ballot.

    At both Democrat and Republican caucuses results are reported by a smart phone app written by Microsoft.
    I'm very happy the Republican system isn't like the Democrat one this time round tbh !
    Both parties have had their formats unchanged for some time.
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    Miss JGP, that's a furious pace.

    [I think the limiting factor on time might be more to do with how long is needed to try and getting a running start with ARCs, interviews, etc].

    I used to be a very fast reader, but tend to be much slower now. I'd guess that's because I spend a lot of time checking my own stuff, and other people's. At university I read almost nothing for leisure because of all the textbooks I had to read.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    Gordon Brown got 11 years before his luck ran out. George Osborne will be lucky if he gets as long.
    That will be no use to Labour if they are still less trusted.

    Just what inheritance did Brown get?
    Compare that to a £160 billion deficit and a bunch of bankrupt banks and a shattered economy.
    A whole bunch of embittered usual suspects are just hyperventilating with hysteria around here.
    The amount of rational thought is close to zero.
    A pretty sad bunch.
    Brown got an awful inheritance in terms of public services - schools literally rotting away (one of them in my patch closed several times a year because they couldn't replace the boiler; another was in "temporary" accommodation built in 1916, a third had gaping roof holes that they couldn't do more than patch), NHS waiting times of two years commonplace. The economy was indeed starting to reocver of the nightmare of Black Wednesday a few years before, but a fair description overall would be "improving but still grim".

    That, flightpath, is why the Tories lost by the biggest landslide in recent times, and why they failed to get more than a fractional majority in either 2010 or 2015. People got bored with Labour, but they don't actually like the Conservatives.
    So, the electorate in Broxtowe were bored with you in 2010, and even more fed up with you hanging around in 2015 that they increased Soubry's majority. Interesting excuse.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,995

    Mr. F, that is an unusual setting. The Terrarch Chronicles, of which I've read 2-3, are in a fantasy world but the tech level is muskets and the like. I think Clifford Beal's stuff is around 17th century or so.

    No idea if it'll go anywhere (got a number of major projects on so I can't go beyond this) but I wrote a steampunk short a while ago which has a comparable tech level. It was quite interesting to research, not least because I discovered the pepperbox pistol, an ancient revolver which has the barrels revolve. They were not very popular as they did have a tendency to explode.

    Liveships is set in the same world as Farseer and Tawny Man, but it's made clear that the level of development in the Six Duchies is far behind by the other places.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.
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    Mr. F, cheers.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.

    Ditto Fox News.
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    Listening to Shadow Treasury Minister, Richard Burgon, was painful. I lost count of how many times he said "bankers." I notice John McDonnell was there as well. They obviously think there is still some mileage in bashing bankers.

    It seems the No 1 priority for Labour now is "get Osborne."
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    Mr. F, that is an unusual setting. The Terrarch Chronicles, of which I've read 2-3, are in a fantasy world but the tech level is muskets and the like. I think Clifford Beal's stuff is around 17th century or so.

    No idea if it'll go anywhere (got a number of major projects on so I can't go beyond this) but I wrote a steampunk short a while ago which has a comparable tech level. It was quite interesting to research, not least because I discovered the pepperbox pistol, an ancient revolver which has the barrels revolve. They were not very popular as they did have a tendency to explode.

    My family has a pepperbox pistol as one of our heirlooms.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    I love the way self appointed experts on PB can tell everyone exactly what Osborne thinks and what his motives are...not one of them has a clue...they should all take up tipping horse race winners..

    Judge a man by his actions.
    That's not correct. People are judging Osborne by how much they dislike him, or how much it adversely affects them and then on politics..
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,013
    edited February 2016
    Mr. Pubgoer, not sure if they were revolvers, but I have vague memories of seeing three-barrelled pistols on the Antiques Roadshow once. Sounds like a nice heirloom to have.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. Root, I don't have strong feelings for or against Osborne, and am not affected the child tax credits changes (or lack thereof)...
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Aren't three barreled guns for elephants?

    Mr. Pubgoer, not sure if they were revolvers, but I have vague memories of seeing three-barrelled pistols on the Antiques Roadshow once. Sounds like a nice heirloom to have.

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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,369
    AnneJGP said:

    As it's a bit calm before the storm, a spot of unscientific market research:
    how long does it take people to read through the first part of a trilogy and want to buy the second [if they like the first]?

    Thinking of fantasy, specifically, so The First Law, Broken Empire, etc. I'd guess something like 2-3 weeks. [It's some way off, but if I have part 2 finished before I release part 1, I could time the release of the second book to try and crest the wave of demand]. I have a vague notion a six week gap might be optimal.

    A few hours. Say 1 day, to be on the safe side.
    Yes, a couple of days, maybe. Certainly not 2-3 weeks, if I'm typical - either the book is gripping in which case one keeps reading, or it's not in which case by 2 weeks later one's forgotten where one put it.
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    Miss Plato, guns? In warfare? That's just vulgar.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.

    Ditto Fox News.
    Why is this "good news" ?

    I was hoping to be in bed at midnight :D
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994

    Listening to Shadow Treasury Minister, Richard Burgon, was painful. I lost count of how many times he said "bankers." I notice John McDonnell was there as well. They obviously think there is still some mileage in bashing bankers.

    It seems the No 1 priority for Labour now is "get Osborne."

    I'm not sure why they want to go after the most popular heir-to-a-baronetcy in the realm.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,745

    Listening to Shadow Treasury Minister, Richard Burgon, was painful. I lost count of how many times he said "bankers." I notice John McDonnell was there as well. They obviously think there is still some mileage in bashing bankers.

    It seems the No 1 priority for Labour now is "get Osborne."

    As long as we still get stories like this: "Barclays and Credit Suisse have been fined a total of $154m (£108m) by US regulators for their US "dark pool" trading operations."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35456219

    there will be plenty of mileage in bashing bankers.

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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Watching the caucus coverage and I just don't like Ted Cruz. Not his policies, but him as a person.

    He seems to have the Hillary Clinton problem. He is clearly a superior candidate to Hillary, who is woeful, but like her he completely lacks charm, warmth and empathy.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.

    Ditto Fox News.
    Why is this "good news" ?

    I was hoping to be in bed at midnight :D
    Eastern time? :lol:
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    Mr. Pubgoer, not sure if they were revolvers, but I have vague memories of seeing three-barrelled pistols on the Antiques Roadshow once. Sounds like a nice heirloom to have.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. Root, I don't have strong feelings for or against Osborne, and am not affected the child tax credits changes (or lack thereof)...

    Our one is only small, fitted very snugly in my hand when I was a kid.
    Smooth bore as well.
    I remember when the hand gun ban came in, my dad took it up the local nick to check it out.
    They were of the view that it was so clearly an antique it was perfectly fine to possess.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Yup
    Tim_B said:

    Watching the caucus coverage and I just don't like Ted Cruz. Not his policies, but him as a person.

    He seems to have the Hillary Clinton problem. He is clearly a superior candidate to Hillary, who is woeful, but like her he completely lacks charm, warmth and empathy.

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    F1: low oil price helps Magnussen to replace Maldonado:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35463741
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    Tim_B said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.

    Ditto Fox News.
    Why is this "good news" ?

    I was hoping to be in bed at midnight :D
    Eastern time? :lol:
    The worst one is trying to work out when to set an alarm for when there is boxing in Las Vegas.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Looking at Google Trends, interest for all candidates has risen in Iowa, most particular development is Paul has caught Carson, before the debate debacle Carson was leading him by 2-1.
    Cruz and Rubio closed the distance with Trump after the debate but Trump's lead is widening today.
    https://www.google.com/trends/story/US_cu_A-CrYFIBAAD6AM_en

    On the DNC side no change, apart from a rise in interest for O'Malley.
    https://www.google.com/trends/story/US_cu_yHIiXFIBAAC4rM_en

    They also have a county map but its 3 days old so not very useful, Trump is most popular in the west, Hillary most popular in rural areas, Sanders most popular in the east.


    Weather today is sunny and warm (above freezing) for all of Iowa:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/25/your-real-time-iowa-caucus-weather-tracker/?postshare=4391453753657190&tid=ss_tw

    Turnout wise the only hard indicator is this:

    Jennifer JacobsVerified account ‏@JenniferJJacobs 1h1 hour ago Des Moines, IA
    Adds in voter registration final month in 2008, when Ds saw RECORD:
    Ds +3,262
    R +1,206
    Final month before Iowa 2016:
    Ds +2,724
    Rs +3,651

    So turnout should be close to record high for the Dems and at record for the Reps.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.

    Ditto Fox News.
    Why is this "good news" ?

    I was hoping to be in bed at midnight :D
    Well you don't have to wait till 4 am, just till 1 am.
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    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.

    Ditto Fox News.
    Why is this "good news" ?

    I was hoping to be in bed at midnight :D
    Well you don't have to wait till 4 am, just till 1 am.
    I'm going to stick it out in a Wetherspoons... for some reason my home internet isn't working
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,172
    Tim_B said:

    Watching the caucus coverage and I just don't like Ted Cruz. Not his policies, but him as a person.

    He seems to have the Hillary Clinton problem. He is clearly a superior candidate to Hillary, who is woeful, but like her he completely lacks charm, warmth and empathy.

    If Hillary wins the nomination and beats Trump in the general election I predict it will be Clinton v Cruz in 2020
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    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    I so want Trump to win the nom and the prez. More importantly I think he'd be good at it. Give America some pride, lead the free world again, and he'd be socially liberal even as he nuked Isis.

    He's Ronald Reagan, redux. Sadly he won't win.

    Reagan was not anti immigrant like Trump nor as potentially reckless abroad

    Reagan was wise enough to listen. Not sure Trump has that in him. Reagan was also an experienced politician.

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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    edited February 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    See the Junior Doctors are going on strike again. The Public will rapidly lose faith in them at this rate

    I note that my two Junior Doctor friends on Facebook have posted other anti-Conservative stuff than the JD row.
    My most rabbling-rousing Doc mates have converted the stridency of their strike-mentality to being stridently anti-Tory on everything. They mostly voted LD before.

    The sensible, Tory leaning Docs have said nothing. They'll continue to vote Tory, or at the very most sit on their hands, whilst the un-dynamic and politically hopeless Labour party is the only alternative Govt.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,172
    Speedy said:

    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.

    CNN exits are generally accurate so good news
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.

    Ditto Fox News.
    Why is this "good news" ?

    I was hoping to be in bed at midnight :D
    Well you don't have to wait till 4 am, just till 1 am.
    I'm going to stick it out in a Wetherspoons... for some reason my home internet isn't working

    Have you tried the reset button on your box?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2FB1P_Mn8
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    See the Junior Doctors are going on strike again. The Public will rapidly lose faith in them at this rate

    I note that my two Junior Doctor friends on Facebook have posted other anti-Conservative stuff than the JD row.
    My most rabbling-rousing Doc mates have converted the stridency of their strike-mentality to being stridently anti-Tory on everything. They mostly voted LD before.

    The sensible, Tory leaning Docs have said nothing. They'll continue to vote Tory, or at the very most sit on their hands, whilst the un-dynamic and politically hopeless Labour party is the only alternative Govt.
    The (sensible) silent majority. As Cameron said, Twitter and Britain aren't the same thing.
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    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.

    Ditto Fox News.
    Why is this "good news" ?

    I was hoping to be in bed at midnight :D
    Well you don't have to wait till 4 am, just till 1 am.
    I'm going to stick it out in a Wetherspoons... for some reason my home internet isn't working

    Have you tried the reset button on your box?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2FB1P_Mn8
    I tried the rest button, the mains reset, the power reset, the settings reset.... basically I've only tried the reset button!!
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    edited February 2016

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.

    Ditto Fox News.
    Why is this "good news" ?

    I was hoping to be in bed at midnight :D
    Well you don't have to wait till 4 am, just till 1 am.
    I'm going to stick it out in a Wetherspoons... for some reason my home internet isn't working

    Have you tried the reset button on your box?

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2FB1P_Mn8
    I tried the rest button, the mains reset, the power reset, the settings reset.... basically I've only tried the reset button!!
    Give your service provider a ring!
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,125

    Listening to Shadow Treasury Minister, Richard Burgon, was painful. I lost count of how many times he said "bankers." I notice John McDonnell was there as well. They obviously think there is still some mileage in bashing bankers.

    It seems the No 1 priority for Labour now is "get Osborne."

    As long as we still get stories like this: "Barclays and Credit Suisse have been fined a total of $154m (£108m) by US regulators for their US "dark pool" trading operations."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35456219

    there will be plenty of mileage in bashing bankers.

    Is that why Labour won in 2015? Oh...wait....
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.

    Ditto Fox News.
    Why is this "good news" ?

    I was hoping to be in bed at midnight :D
    Well you don't have to wait till 4 am, just till 1 am.
    I'm going to stick it out in a Wetherspoons... for some reason my home internet isn't working

    Have you tried the reset button on your box?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2FB1P_Mn8
    I tried the rest button, the mains reset, the power reset, the settings reset.... basically I've only tried the reset button!!
    Does it give you a DNS error when trying to connect?
    Is your box connecting to the internet or is it your computer that cant connect to your box?
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    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    See the Junior Doctors are going on strike again. The Public will rapidly lose faith in them at this rate

    I note that my two Junior Doctor friends on Facebook have posted other anti-Conservative stuff than the JD row.
    My most rabbling-rousing Doc mates have converted the stridency of their strike-mentality to being stridently anti-Tory on everything. They mostly voted LD before.

    The sensible, Tory leaning Docs have said nothing. They'll continue to vote Tory, or at the very most sit on their hands, whilst the un-dynamic and politically hopeless Labour party is the only alternative Govt.
    The (sensible) silent majority. As Cameron said, Twitter and Britain aren't the same thing.

    More accurately, the slightly larger minority than the Labour minority.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,002
    I've just "Snopes" my friend's anti-Donald Trump meme :D

    http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994

    RobD said:

    Mortimer said:

    Pulpstar said:

    See the Junior Doctors are going on strike again. The Public will rapidly lose faith in them at this rate

    I note that my two Junior Doctor friends on Facebook have posted other anti-Conservative stuff than the JD row.
    My most rabbling-rousing Doc mates have converted the stridency of their strike-mentality to being stridently anti-Tory on everything. They mostly voted LD before.

    The sensible, Tory leaning Docs have said nothing. They'll continue to vote Tory, or at the very most sit on their hands, whilst the un-dynamic and politically hopeless Labour party is the only alternative Govt.
    The (sensible) silent majority. As Cameron said, Twitter and Britain aren't the same thing.

    More accurately, the slightly larger minority than the Labour minority.

    They are so silent that they don't even vote ;)
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    Mr. Pubgoer, not sure if they were revolvers, but I have vague memories of seeing three-barrelled pistols on the Antiques Roadshow once. Sounds like a nice heirloom to have.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. Root, I don't have strong feelings for or against Osborne, and am not affected the child tax credits changes (or lack thereof)...

    Our one is only small, fitted very snugly in my hand when I was a kid.
    Smooth bore as well.
    I remember when the hand gun ban came in, my dad took it up the local nick to check it out.
    They were of the view that it was so clearly an antique it was perfectly fine to possess.
    Muzzle loading pistols (including very early revolvers such as the Colt Navy) are perfectly legal but are classed as Class 1 firearms. Any gun that is an "antique" and which uses obsolete ammunition, can be held without a licence so long as you don't intend to fire it.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,058
    One's strength can often become a weakness (for example, Merkel's caution - migration notwithstanding - can become dithering), so whether one agreed with Don that Osborne and the Tories are as vulnerable as they are, they are at the least vulnerable; it won't all be down to if Labour can get lucky, though that would help.
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    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Tim_B said:

    Speedy said:

    Good news, CNN is doing an entrance poll for the Iowa caucus published at 8 PM ET, 1 AM GMT.

    Ditto Fox News.
    Why is this "good news" ?

    I was hoping to be in bed at midnight :D
    Well you don't have to wait till 4 am, just till 1 am.
    I'm going to stick it out in a Wetherspoons... for some reason my home internet isn't working

    Have you tried the reset button on your box?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn2FB1P_Mn8
    I tried the rest button, the mains reset, the power reset, the settings reset.... basically I've only tried the reset button!!
    Does it give you a DNS error when trying to connect?
    Is your box connecting to the internet or is it your computer that cant connect to your box?
    The wireless connection is fine, it can't find the DNS server. Normally I assume this sort of thing is a temporary service outage, but it's been going two days (and Virgin says service should be normal). Ergo I am left to ponder if there's been a setup problem (the box is two weeks old) either in hardware or configuration. Neither of which I am likely to be able to fix without technical support, and that will have to wait.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,172

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT said:

    I so want Trump to win the nom and the prez. More importantly I think he'd be good at it. Give America some pride, lead the free world again, and he'd be socially liberal even as he nuked Isis.

    He's Ronald Reagan, redux. Sadly he won't win.

    Reagan was not anti immigrant like Trump nor as potentially reckless abroad

    Reagan was wise enough to listen. Not sure Trump has that in him. Reagan was also an experienced politician.

    Indeed he had a calm manner Trump lacks
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    The wireless connection is fine, it can't find the DNS server.

    You can usually use Google's DNS servers

    8.8.8.8
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,577
    DavidL has it right on this one - there are few economic questions facing us to which re-electing Labour is the answer.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    Scott_P said:

    The wireless connection is fine, it can't find the DNS server.

    You can usually use Google's DNS servers

    8.8.8.8
    Be warned that I've had trouble connecting to airport/hotel wifi when I have a custom DNS set. Removing the custom entries allowed me to connect okay.
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    Incidentally, I am sure there are people wondering what sort of idiot takes Rubio at 16 in Iowa. The answer is me; a man who is hedging much larger amounts against him taking NH or the nomination, both of which are largely correlated with Iowa.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    From that article mentioned on previous thread is this top comment and worthy of the worlds most deluded person award. I mean seriously where do they find these muppets? I publish it in full because it really should be savoured and enjoyed
    ( I would like to think he's taking the piss but it's got to the point you can't be sure)

    Leftyliesrefuted
    8 hours ago
    The Nasty Party is not known as the Nasty Party for nothing! Thank goodness that we on the Progressive Left have now embraced the kinder, gentler politics of Our Jeremy - with the results that can be seen in Jeremy's unprecedented opinion poll ratings, which in any case are totally irrelevant as opinion polls are merely the tool of neoliberal corporations and the Right-wing Murdoch monopoly media, e.g. the far-Right BBC.

    It really is high time that we on the Progressive Left called out Camoron, and all the other evil Tory scum in the Nasty Party, for their hate speech, their bigotry, their unbridled racism, their intolerance and their totally blinkered attitudes towards people who are different to them.

    Camoron's totally predictable comments - on Holocaust Day, no less! - about "a bunch of migrants" was nothing less than Nazism in its sheer racism about a group of young men (who in any case are mostly women and children) who have courageously left their families behind in war-torn lands in order to face the horrors of Austerity Britain, with its constant attacks on the poor, vulnerable and unemployed, who are all forced to work on Zero Hour Contracts in compulsory Foodbanks whilst paying ever-increasing amounts of the illegal Bedroom Tax, so that the likes of the 1%, e.g. Google and the Banksters, who already own well over 100% of all the wealth and pay no tax whatsoever, can enjoy tax giveaways courtesy of Gidiot and his gang of unelected Bullingdon Bully Boys.

    Fortunately for those of us - on the Left, obviously - who have retained our humanity, in just over 4 years and 3 months' time, this country will have the opportunity to vote for a truly caring Government, headed by Our Jeremy, which will, by totally abolishing racist immigration controls, along with a total reversal of 35 years' worth of Thatcherite economic policies based on greed not need, build a Britain that all true Socialists can be proud of: the Venezuela of Europe, no less!

    http://labourlist.org/2016/02/the-worst-has-happened-the-nasty-party-brand-is-now-an-asset/
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    On Iowa, a note of caution - I remember the rumours coming out back in May on GE day. Great way to empty your bank account to pay too much attention to "turnout" rumours.

    Oh no, you're completely wrong there Pulp.

    Pay attention to turnout rumours. Pay lots of attention to them, then keep your head if the odds go crazy.

    Back on indyref day I was laying >95% turnout as low as 5/2.

    More than 19 out of 20 people on the electoral register voting is basically impossible in a free election, yet someone tweeting about "My polling station closed early because everyone voted!" seemed to have some punters convinced.
    Conversely I was backing over 70% at better than evens for a good chunk.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,125

    Right wing southern rag:

    Hard-line nationalists cover Queen’s face on pound coins in quest for declaration of independence

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/hard-line-nationalists-cover-queen-s-face-on-pound-coins-in-quest-for-declaration-of-independence-1.922248

    Ha Ha Ha , how pathetic are journalists in Scotland, pathetic cretins.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Gordon Brown got 11 years before his luck ran out. George Osborne will be lucky if he gets as long.
    That will be no use to Labour if they are still less trusted.

    Just what inheritance did Brown get?
    Compare that to a £160 billion deficit and a bunch of bankrupt banks and a shattered economy.
    A whole bunch of embittered usual suspects are just hyperventilating with hysteria around here.
    The amount of rational thought is close to zero.
    A pretty sad bunch.
    Brown got an awful inheritance in terms of public services - schools literally rotting away (one of them in my patch closed several times a year because they couldn't replace the boiler; another was in "temporary" accommodation built in 1916, a third had gaping roof holes that they couldn't do more than patch), NHS waiting times of two years commonplace. The economy was indeed starting to reocver of the nightmare of Black Wednesday a few years before, but a fair description overall would be "improving but still grim".

    That, flightpath, is why the Tories lost by the biggest landslide in recent times, and why they failed to get more than a fractional majority in either 2010 or 2015. People got bored with Labour, but they don't actually like the Conservatives.
    How much was lost on Black Wednesday compared to the 2008 crash. Was it more less or about the same.?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    malcolmg said:

    Right wing southern rag:

    Hard-line nationalists cover Queen’s face on pound coins in quest for declaration of independence

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/hard-line-nationalists-cover-queen-s-face-on-pound-coins-in-quest-for-declaration-of-independence-1.922248

    Ha Ha Ha , how pathetic are journalists in Scotland, pathetic cretins.
    Not as pathetic as those defacing currency ;)
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    EPGEPG Posts: 6,045

    Incidentally, I am sure there are people wondering what sort of idiot takes Rubio at 16 in Iowa. The answer is me; a man who is hedging much larger amounts against him taking NH or the nomination, both of which are largely correlated with Iowa.

    When one late poll has him only five points behind Trump, and presumably gaining by the day?
    Non-idiot behaviour
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    Moses_ said:

    From that article mentioned on previous thread is this top comment and worthy of the worlds most deluded person award. I mean seriously where do they find these muppets? I publish it in full because it really should be savoured and enjoyed
    ( I would like to think he's taking the piss but it's got to the point you can't be sure)

    Leftyliesrefuted
    8 hours ago
    The Nasty Party is not known as the Nasty Party for nothing! Thank goodness that we on the Progressive Left have now embraced the kinder, gentler politics of Our Jeremy - with the results that can be seen in Jeremy's unprecedented opinion poll ratings, which in any case are totally irrelevant as opinion polls are merely the tool of neoliberal corporations and the Right-wing Murdoch monopoly media, e.g. the far-Right BBC.

    It really is high time that we on the Progressive Left called out Camoron, and all the other evil Tory scum in the Nasty Party, for their hate speech, their bigotry, their unbridled racism, their intolerance and their totally blinkered attitudes towards people who are different to them.

    Camoron's totally predictable comments - on Holocaust Day, no less! - about "a bunch of migrants" was nothing less than Nazism in its sheer racism about a group of young men (who in any case are mostly women and children) who have courageously left their families behind in war-torn lands in order to face the horrors of Austerity Britain, with its constant attacks on the poor, vulnerable and unemployed, who are all forced to work on Zero Hour Contracts in compulsory Foodbanks whilst paying ever-increasing amounts of the illegal Bedroom Tax, so that the likes of the 1%, e.g. Google and the Banksters, who already own well over 100% of all the wealth and pay no tax whatsoever, can enjoy tax giveaways courtesy of Gidiot and his gang of unelected Bullingdon Bully Boys.

    Fortunately for those of us - on the Left, obviously - who have retained our humanity, in just over 4 years and 3 months' time, this country will have the opportunity to vote for a truly caring Government, headed by Our Jeremy, which will, by totally abolishing racist immigration controls, along with a total reversal of 35 years' worth of Thatcherite economic policies based on greed not need, build a Britain that all true Socialists can be proud of: the Venezuela of Europe, no less!

    http://labourlist.org/2016/02/the-worst-has-happened-the-nasty-party-brand-is-now-an-asset/

    Satire, surely?
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    Moses_ said:

    From that article mentioned on previous thread is this top comment and worthy of the worlds most deluded person award. I mean seriously where do they find these muppets? I publish it in full because it really should be savoured and enjoyed
    ( I would like to think he's taking the piss but it's got to the point you can't be sure)

    Leftyliesrefuted
    8 hours ago
    The Nasty Party is not known as the Nasty Party for nothing! Thank goodness that we on the Progressive Left have now embraced the kinder, gentler politics of Our Jeremy - with the results that can be seen in Jeremy's unprecedented opinion poll ratings, which in any case are totally irrelevant as opinion polls are merely the tool of neoliberal corporations and the Right-wing Murdoch monopoly media, e.g. the far-Right BBC.

    It really is high time that we on the Progressive Left called out Camoron, and all the other evil Tory scum in the Nasty Party, for their hate speech, their bigotry, their unbridled racism, their intolerance and their totally blinkered attitudes towards people who are different to them.

    Camoron's totally predictable comments - on Holocaust Day, no less! - about "a bunch of migrants" was nothing less than Nazism in its sheer racism about a group of young men (who in any case are mostly women and children) who have courageously left their families behind in war-torn lands in order to face the horrors of Austerity Britain, with its constant attacks on the poor, vulnerable and unemployed, who are all forced to work on Zero Hour Contracts in compulsory Foodbanks whilst paying ever-increasing amounts of the illegal Bedroom Tax, so that the likes of the 1%, e.g. Google and the Banksters, who already own well over 100% of all the wealth and pay no tax whatsoever, can enjoy tax giveaways courtesy of Gidiot and his gang of unelected Bullingdon Bully Boys.

    Fortunately for those of us - on the Left, obviously - who have retained our humanity, in just over 4 years and 3 months' time, this country will have the opportunity to vote for a truly caring Government, headed by Our Jeremy, which will, by totally abolishing racist immigration controls, along with a total reversal of 35 years' worth of Thatcherite economic policies based on greed not need, build a Britain that all true Socialists can be proud of: the Venezuela of Europe, no less!

    http://labourlist.org/2016/02/the-worst-has-happened-the-nasty-party-brand-is-now-an-asset/

    It reads like a wannabe Sean T spoof.
    Not as well written, which makes me think it is someone else.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    Moses_ said:

    Gordon Brown got 11 years before his luck ran out. George Osborne will be lucky if he gets as long.
    That will be no use to Labour if they are still less trusted.

    Just what inheritance did Brown get?
    Compare that to a £160 billion deficit and a bunch of bankrupt banks and a shattered economy.
    A whole bunch of embittered usual suspects are just hyperventilating with hysteria around here.
    The amount of rational thought is close to zero.
    A pretty sad bunch.
    Brown got an awful inheritance in terms of public services - schools literally rotting away (one of them in my patch closed several times a year because they couldn't replace the boiler; another was in "temporary" accommodation built in 1916, a third had gaping roof holes that they couldn't do more than patch), NHS waiting times of two years commonplace. The economy was indeed starting to reocver of the nightmare of Black Wednesday a few years before, but a fair description overall would be "improving but still grim".

    That, flightpath, is why the Tories lost by the biggest landslide in recent times, and why they failed to get more than a fractional majority in either 2010 or 2015. People got bored with Labour, but they don't actually like the Conservatives.
    How much was lost on Black Wednesday compared to the 2008 crash. Was it more less or about the same.?
    Black Wednesday cost £3.3bn. I'm guessing the 2008 crash dwarfs it in comparison.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,745
    Moses_ said:

    From that article mentioned on previous thread is this top comment and worthy of the worlds most deluded person award. I mean seriously where do they find these muppets? I publish it in full because it really should be savoured and enjoyed
    ( I would like to think he's taking the piss but it's got to the point you can't be sure)

    Leftyliesrefuted
    8 hours ago
    The Nasty Party is not known as the Nasty Party for nothing! Thank goodness that we on the Progressive Left have now embraced the kinder, gentler politics of Our Jeremy - with the results that can be seen in Jeremy's unprecedented opinion poll ratings, which in any case are totally irrelevant as opinion polls are merely the tool of neoliberal corporations and the Right-wing Murdoch monopoly media, e.g. the far-Right BBC.

    It really is high time that we on the Progressive Left called out Camoron, and all the other evil Tory scum in the Nasty Party, for their hate speech, their bigotry, their unbridled racism, their intolerance and their totally blinkered attitudes towards people who are different to them.

    Camoron's totally predictable comments - on Holocaust Day, no less! - about "a bunch of migrants" was nothing less than Nazism in its sheer racism about a group of young men (who in any case are mostly women and children) who have courageously left their families behind in war-torn lands in order to face the horrors of Austerity Britain, with its constant attacks on the poor, vulnerable and unemployed, who are all forced to work on Zero Hour Contracts in compulsory Foodbanks whilst paying ever-increasing amounts of the illegal Bedroom Tax, so that the likes of the 1%, e.g. Google and the Banksters, who already own well over 100% of all the wealth and pay no tax whatsoever, can enjoy tax giveaways courtesy of Gidiot and his gang of unelected Bullingdon Bully Boys.

    Fortunately for those of us - on the Left, obviously - who have retained our humanity, in just over 4 years and 3 months' time, this country will have the opportunity to vote for a truly caring Government, headed by Our Jeremy, which will, by totally abolishing racist immigration controls, along with a total reversal of 35 years' worth of Thatcherite economic policies based on greed not need, build a Britain that all true Socialists can be proud of: the Venezuela of Europe, no less!

    http://labourlist.org/2016/02/the-worst-has-happened-the-nasty-party-brand-is-now-an-asset/

    Was that written by SeanT?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The Clinton campaign has come up with a smart phone app for tonight's caucus.

    Remember the 15% viability threshold? If you key in the numbers for Clinton, Sanders and O'Malley, the app will tell you if and how many Clinton supporters should move to O'Malley. If he gets 15% he gets a delegate, which is one less for Sanders.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,148
    edited February 2016
    Moses_ said:

    From that article mentioned on previous thread is this top comment and worthy of the worlds most deluded person award. I mean seriously where do they find these muppets? I publish it in full because it really should be savoured and enjoyed
    ( I would like to think he's taking the piss but it's got to the point you can't be sure)

    That reads like it could be the work of the satirical New Labour true believer who used to post on here during the Blair years. His name escapes me now. Does anyone remember? It would be fun to go back and read those posts now.
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    EPG said:

    Incidentally, I am sure there are people wondering what sort of idiot takes Rubio at 16 in Iowa. The answer is me; a man who is hedging much larger amounts against him taking NH or the nomination, both of which are largely correlated with Iowa.

    When one late poll has him only five points behind Trump, and presumably gaining by the day?
    Non-idiot behaviour
    Arguably value at 16 anyway, fair point. But note the chasm to his odds on the nomination at 3!
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited February 2016
    Tim_B said:

    The Clinton campaign has come up with a smart phone app for tonight's caucus.

    Remember the 15% viability threshold? If you key in the numbers for Clinton, Sanders and O'Malley, the app will tell you if and how many Clinton supporters should move to O'Malley. If he gets 15% he gets a delegate, which is one less for Sanders.

    Will that be a danger for Hillary to lose to Sanders?
    In a race where Hillary leads by an average of 3, a mass move of 10% or more to O'Malley will be suicidal.

    I don't believe the story, no one is that nuts.
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    Moses_ said:

    From that article mentioned on previous thread is this top comment and worthy of the worlds most deluded person award. I mean seriously where do they find these muppets? I publish it in full because it really should be savoured and enjoyed
    ( I would like to think he's taking the piss but it's got to the point you can't be sure)

    Leftyliesrefuted
    8 hours ago
    The Nasty Party is not known as the Nasty Party for nothing! Thank goodness that we on the Progressive Left have now embraced the kinder, gentler politics of Our Jeremy - with the results that can be seen in Jeremy's unprecedented opinion poll ratings, which in any case are totally irrelevant as opinion polls are merely the tool of neoliberal corporations and the Right-wing Murdoch monopoly media, e.g. the far-Right BBC.

    It really is high time that we on the Progressive Left called out Camoron, and all the other evil Tory scum in the Nasty Party, for their hate speech, their bigotry, their unbridled racism, their intolerance and their totally blinkered attitudes towards people who are different to them.

    Camoron's totally predictable comments - on Holocaust Day, no less! - about "a bunch of migrants" was nothing less than Nazism in its sheer racism about a group of young men (who in any case are mostly women and children) who have courageously left their families behind in war-torn lands in order to face the horrors of Austerity Britain, with its constant attacks on the poor, vulnerable and unemployed, who are all forced to work on Zero Hour Contracts in compulsory Foodbanks whilst paying ever-increasing amounts of the illegal Bedroom Tax, so that the likes of the 1%, e.g. Google and the Banksters, who already own well over 100% of all the wealth and pay no tax whatsoever, can enjoy tax giveaways courtesy of Gidiot and his gang of unelected Bullingdon Bully Boys.

    Fortunately for those of us - on the Left, obviously - who have retained our humanity, in just over 4 years and 3 months' time, this country will have the opportunity to vote for a truly caring Government, headed by Our Jeremy, which will, by totally abolishing racist immigration controls, along with a total reversal of 35 years' worth of Thatcherite economic policies based on greed not need, build a Britain that all true Socialists can be proud of: the Venezuela of Europe, no less!

    http://labourlist.org/2016/02/the-worst-has-happened-the-nasty-party-brand-is-now-an-asset/

    racism about a group of young men (who in any case are mostly women and children) who have courageously left their families behind in war-torn lands in order to face the horrors of Austerity Britain, :lol:
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,125
    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Right wing southern rag:

    Hard-line nationalists cover Queen’s face on pound coins in quest for declaration of independence

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/hard-line-nationalists-cover-queen-s-face-on-pound-coins-in-quest-for-declaration-of-independence-1.922248

    Ha Ha Ha , how pathetic are journalists in Scotland, pathetic cretins.
    Not as pathetic as those defacing currency ;)
    LOL, one coin , you could not make it up. Is it any wonder the papers are nearly all bankrupt. The amount of crap going about and they are frothing and making up crap about ONE coin. Too pathetic to believe.
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    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    The Clinton campaign has come up with a smart phone app for tonight's caucus.

    Remember the 15% viability threshold? If you key in the numbers for Clinton, Sanders and O'Malley, the app will tell you if and how many Clinton supporters should move to O'Malley. If he gets 15% he gets a delegate, which is one less for Sanders.

    Will that be a danger for Hillary to lose to Sanders?
    In a race where Hillary leads by an average of 3, a mass move of 10% or more to O'Malley will be suicidal.

    I don't believe the story, no one is that nuts.
    Presumably it only tells you if the outcome would be one less to Sanders, not one less to Clinton.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,994
    malcolmg said:

    RobD said:

    malcolmg said:

    Right wing southern rag:

    Hard-line nationalists cover Queen’s face on pound coins in quest for declaration of independence

    http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/politics/hard-line-nationalists-cover-queen-s-face-on-pound-coins-in-quest-for-declaration-of-independence-1.922248

    Ha Ha Ha , how pathetic are journalists in Scotland, pathetic cretins.
    Not as pathetic as those defacing currency ;)
    LOL, one coin , you could not make it up. Is it any wonder the papers are nearly all bankrupt. The amount of crap going about and they are frothing and making up crap about ONE coin. Too pathetic to believe.
    Tip of the iceberg no doubt ;):p
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    RobD said:

    Moses_ said:

    Gordon Brown got 11 years before his luck ran out. George Osborne will be lucky if he gets as long.
    That will be no use to Labour if they are still less trusted.

    Just what inheritance did Brown get?
    Compare that to a £160 billion deficit and a bunch of bankrupt banks and a shattered economy.
    A whole bunch of embittered usual suspects are just hyperventilating with hysteria around here.
    The amount of rational thought is close to zero.
    A pretty sad bunch.
    Brown got an awful inheritance in terms of public services - schools literally rotting away (one of them in my patch closed several times a year because they couldn't replace the boiler; another was in "temporary" accommodation built in 1916, a third had gaping roof holes that they couldn't do more than patch), NHS waiting times of two years commonplace. The economy was indeed starting to reocver of the nightmare of Black Wednesday a few years before, but a fair description overall would be "improving but still grim".

    That, flightpath, is why the Tories lost by the biggest landslide in recent times, and why they failed to get more than a fractional majority in either 2010 or 2015. People got bored with Labour, but they don't actually like the Conservatives.
    How much was lost on Black Wednesday compared to the 2008 crash. Was it more less or about the same.?
    Black Wednesday cost £3.3bn. I'm guessing the 2008 crash dwarfs it in comparison.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday
    Thanks.....So not "a nightmare" then after all . 3 billion? That doesn't even make a rounding error on Labours 2008 crash then
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