Following Corbyn's actions across the Channel this weekend, any proper-minded member of Labour's Shadow Cabinet should be resigning their position forthwith.
Where are you Andy Burnham?
Where are you Lord Falconer?
Where are you Lisa Nandy?
Where are you Hilary Benn?
Etc, etc?
Waiting to take over, you need to be in the Shadow Cabinet to become the King, see Michael Howard, assassins from outside the frontbench never get the crown, see Michael Heseltine!
The important number is 117. 117 Labour MPs need to resign the whip, insist they are the Parliamentary Labour Party and elect the LotO.
Unless that happens, sporadic statements here and there mean nothing. A breakaway group fewer than 117 will mean another SDP like situation - splits the left vote.
Good piece but with War and Peace and Deutschland 83 about to start can't see a rush of PBers rushing to debate NI politics on a Sunday night but well done for trying!
Outside Northern Ireland, Northern Irish politics seems to be comprised of sectarian bickering, leftovers from past paramilitary activity, marches and flags, Irish language in schools and gay cakes
Yeah, sounds about right.
I do like the idea the major players were hoping for a hung parliament so they could ensure a few more concessions, but that the Tory majority, slim though it is, scuppered that. Serves them right for not dealing with problems at the time, I suppose.
The hope they might, as a result of that and Corbyn making overtures to Labour implausible for the DUP, start to focus on normal concerns, strikes me as optimistic. I've long since become inured to news of political wrangling in NI (as I was only entering adolescence by the time of the Good Friday Agreement, my abiding memory of NI is not of a place of violence, but a place where old farts never move on or shut the f--- up about things that shouldn't be as important as they make them seen; that may not be reasonable, given the history of the place, but not having grown up with the worst of it, it's harder to accept, at a core level, how difficult it must be for them to move on properly).
Andrew Neil @afneil 52m52 minutes ago Andrew Neil Retweeted Michael Burns Sanders problem will be Super Tuesday. Though Left he doesn't poll well with ethnic voters
Super Tuesday Democratic race, if Sanders wins Iowa:
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
The Scots changed sides if I remember, the Presbyterians in the Scottish Parliament backed Parliament against the King then switched to backing Charles IInd at the Battles of Dunbar and Worcester, the likes of the Duke of Montrose were Royalists from the start
I think you mean the Marquess of Montrose; he started a Covenanter , then reverted to reluctant Presbyterian royalist. A bonny fechter.
Curious what you are calling my ancestor* - I assume it isn't complimentary...
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Well, the last you see him, he is sailing off in a small boat through a rough sea. No sign of any auto-tiller. He won't last until morning.
What? You're telling me it isn't a documentary?
Is Iggle Piggle a metaphor for the state of the Labour Leadership? Or is there a deeper meaning to the allegory?
Is the pinky ponk nuclear armed? Will Corbyn send the Tombliboos to act as peace keepers in the war between the Wottingers and the Pontipines? Who does Daisy do when she says 'Daisy do!' next to her travelling bed?
And what the **** are the Haahoos meant to represent?
Andrew Neil @afneil 52m52 minutes ago Andrew Neil Retweeted Michael Burns Sanders problem will be Super Tuesday. Though Left he doesn't poll well with ethnic voters
Super Tuesday Democratic race, if Sanders wins Iowa:
The Scots changed sides if I remember, the Presbyterians in the Scottish Parliament backed Parliament against the King then switched to backing Charles IInd at the Battles of Dunbar and Worcester, the likes of the Duke of Montrose were Royalists from the start
I think you mean the Marquess of Montrose; he started a Covenanter , then reverted to reluctant Presbyterian royalist. A bonny fechter.
Curious what you are calling my ancestor* - I assume it isn't complimentary...
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Tell that to the millions who have never in their lifetimes elected anyone under FPTP (despite voting for the MAJOR parties). They have always lost, and always will, unless they up-sticks and move...
In addition to that outrageous state of affairs, I repeat again, for the hard of hearing.
For the past three elections, a MAJORITY of those who participated elected no-one.
So if a majority elect no-one, who exactly do the "representatives" purport to represent?
Andrew Neil @afneil 52m52 minutes ago Andrew Neil Retweeted Michael Burns Sanders problem will be Super Tuesday. Though Left he doesn't poll well with ethnic voters
Super Tuesday Democratic race, if Sanders wins Iowa:
Andrew Neil @afneil 52m52 minutes ago Andrew Neil Retweeted Michael Burns Sanders problem will be Super Tuesday. Though Left he doesn't poll well with ethnic voters
Super Tuesday Democratic race, if Sanders wins Iowa:
So 4 Hillary wins, 5 Sanders wins, and 3 too close too call.
Clinton would have a clean sweep across the south based on closer ideology, even if her and Bill didn't have a connection with Arkansas.
Not necessarily. Perversely enough, the fact the Democrats have been in terminal decline in so many of the southern states might actually help Sanders in those primaries -- a lot of the socially-conservative white voters who voted Clinton in 2008 will now no longer even be registered Democrats (and thus ineligible to vote in the primaries), and the "selectorate" could be down to a left-wing hardcore.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Tell that to the millions who have never in the lifetimes elected anyone under FPTP (despite voting for the MAJOR parties).
If you vote, you elect someone. Just because you don't vote for the winner doesn't mean you don't have a representative.
The Scots changed sides if I remember, the Presbyterians in the Scottish Parliament backed Parliament against the King then switched to backing Charles IInd at the Battles of Dunbar and Worcester, the likes of the Duke of Montrose were Royalists from the start
I think you mean the Marquess of Montrose; he started a Covenanter , then reverted to reluctant Presbyterian royalist. A bonny fechter.
Curious what you are calling my ancestor* - I assume it isn't complimentary...
Andrew Neil @afneil 52m52 minutes ago Andrew Neil Retweeted Michael Burns Sanders problem will be Super Tuesday. Though Left he doesn't poll well with ethnic voters
Super Tuesday Democratic race, if Sanders wins Iowa:
So 4 Hillary wins, 5 Sanders wins, and 3 too close too call.
Clinton would have a clean sweep across the south based on closer ideology, even if her and Bill didn't have a connection with Arkansas.
Not necessarily. Perversely enough, the fact the Democrats have been in terminal decline in so many of the southern states might actually help Sanders in those primaries -- a lot of the socially-conservative white voters who voted Clinton in 2008 will now no longer even be registered Democrats (and thus ineligible to vote in the primaries), and the "selectorate" could be down to a left-wing hardcore.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Tell that to the millions who have never in their lifetimes elected anyone under FPTP (despite voting for the MAJOR parties). They have always lost, and always will, unless they up-sticks and move...
In addition to that outrageous state of affairs, I repeat again, for the hard of hearing.
For the past three elections, a MAJORITY of those who participated elected no-one.
So if a majority elect no-one, who exactly do the "representatives" purport to represent?
Tough shit, if you lose you lose. The plurality ALWAYS wins in every single constituency.
If you want to elect someone you need to win, you don't just need to vote. Maybe take part and campaign etc.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
If I end up with an MP who never supports what I want to see, and always votes against what I do want, that is actually less than nothing. My Tory MP is a total negative, Mr Quid.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Tell that to the millions who have never in the lifetimes elected anyone under FPTP (despite voting for the MAJOR parties).
If you vote, you elect someone. Just because you don't vote for the winner doesn't mean you don't have a representative.
"You elect someone".
Nope, you participate, but DON'T elect anyone. A majority of those who participated could have stayed at home, without changing the result.
If you view that with equanimity, you'd feel quite comfortable in a dictatorship, I suggest.
What is "representative democracy", if the majority elect no-one? The "representatives" may as well be appointees...
Andrew Neil @afneil 52m52 minutes ago Andrew Neil Retweeted Michael Burns Sanders problem will be Super Tuesday. Though Left he doesn't poll well with ethnic voters
Super Tuesday Democratic race, if Sanders wins Iowa:
So 4 Hillary wins, 5 Sanders wins, and 3 too close too call.
Clinton would have a clean sweep across the south based on closer ideology, even if her and Bill didn't have a connection with Arkansas.
Not necessarily. Perversely enough, the fact the Democrats have been in terminal decline in so many of the southern states might actually help Sanders in those primaries -- a lot of the socially-conservative white voters who voted Clinton in 2008 will now no longer even be registered Democrats (and thus ineligible to vote in the primaries), and the "selectorate" could be down to a left-wing hardcore.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
If I end up with an MP who never supports what I want to see, and always votes against what I do want, that is actually less than nothing. My Tory MP is a total negative, Mr Quid.
And the whole House of Commons is a shambles.
What you need to remember is that a UK general election has three concurrent purposes. I wrote about this at some length on the thread before last.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Tell that to the millions who have never in the lifetimes elected anyone under FPTP (despite voting for the MAJOR parties).
If you vote, you elect someone. Just because you don't vote for the winner doesn't mean you don't have a representative.
"You elect someone".
Nope, you participate, but DON'T elect anyone. A majority of those who participated could have stayed at home, without changing the result.
If you view that with equanimity, you'd feel quite comfortable in a dictatorship, I suggest.
What is "representative democracy", if the majority elect no-one? The "representatives" may as well be appointees...
No the representatives is the sole person most popular.
If everyone elects someone then what is the point? May as well appoint everyone.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Tell that to the millions who have never in the lifetimes elected anyone under FPTP (despite voting for the MAJOR parties).
If you vote, you elect someone. Just because you don't vote for the winner doesn't mean you don't have a representative.
"You elect someone".
Nope, you participate, but DON'T elect anyone. A majority of those who participated could have stayed at home, without changing the result.
If you view that with equanimity, you'd feel quite comfortable in a dictatorship, I suggest.
What is "representative democracy", if the majority elect no-one? The "representatives" may as well be appointees...
If you follow your argument to its logical conclusion you'd have to advocate not merely for one person, one vote, but one person, one representative, which is absurd.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
If I end up with an MP who never supports what I want to see, and always votes against what I do want, that is actually less than nothing. My Tory MP is a total negative, Mr Quid.
And the whole House of Commons is a shambles.
Convince a plurality of your electorate to vote for someone else and the Tory MP will be gone - no ifs, no buts. Democracy in action.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
If I end up with an MP who never supports what I want to see, and always votes against what I do want, that is actually less than nothing. My Tory MP is a total negative, Mr Quid.
And the whole House of Commons is a shambles.
What you need to remember is that a UK general election has three concurrent purposes. I wrote about this at some length on the thread before last.
Sorry, Mr Quid. I don`t follow you that closely. Without even knowing what those three concurrent purposes might have been, the system we have in the UK is a failure on all three.
Most MPs are not supported by the majority of their constituents, so do not represent their views.
The government of the day does not have any moral right to run the country.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
If I end up with an MP who never supports what I want to see, and always votes against what I do want, that is actually less than nothing. My Tory MP is a total negative, Mr Quid.
And the whole House of Commons is a shambles.
What you need to remember is that a UK general election has three concurrent purposes. I wrote about this at some length on the thread before last.
Sorry, Mr Quid. I don`t follow you that closely. Without even knowing what those three concurrent purposes might have been, the system we have in the UK is a failure on all three.
I
? If you don't know what three purposes he's talking about, how do you it must fail on all three?
My Tory MP in the last parliament was a total dud as a constituency MP (it was Lansley). I didn't even get to vote for or against him as I moved into the constituency after the 2010 election.
I should have demanded an election when I moved so I could have had my say! It was unfair for me to be represented by someone I'd had no chance to vote for!
Andrew Neil @afneil 52m52 minutes ago Andrew Neil Retweeted Michael Burns Sanders problem will be Super Tuesday. Though Left he doesn't poll well with ethnic voters
Super Tuesday Democratic race, if Sanders wins Iowa:
So 4 Hillary wins, 5 Sanders wins, and 3 too close too call.
Clinton would have a clean sweep across the south based on closer ideology, even if her and Bill didn't have a connection with Arkansas.
Not necessarily. Perversely enough, the fact the Democrats have been in terminal decline in so many of the southern states might actually help Sanders in those primaries -- a lot of the socially-conservative white voters who voted Clinton in 2008 will now no longer even be registered Democrats (and thus ineligible to vote in the primaries), and the "selectorate" could be down to a left-wing hardcore.
There haven't been any polls in the states you quote since December, since when there's been a swing to Sanders in the national polls.
Sanders had already made his move by December actually when he was already well ahead in New Hampshire so I doubt much has changed, today's CBS poll still gives Hillary a comfortable lead in South Carolina, her vote is holding up in the South
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Tell that to the millions who have never in the lifetimes elected anyone under FPTP (despite voting for the MAJOR parties).
If you vote, you elect someone. Just because you don't vote for the winner doesn't mean you don't have a representative.
"You elect someone".
Nope, you participate, but DON'T elect anyone. A majority of those who participated could have stayed at home, without changing the result.
If you view that with equanimity, you'd feel quite comfortable in a dictatorship, I suggest.
What is "representative democracy", if the majority elect no-one? The "representatives" may as well be appointees...
You can't legislate majority support for a candidate. You can switch to multi-member constituencies, thereby damaging purpose 3 of a UK general election, and improving purpose 2 by increasing proportionality damages purpose 1. In isolation, STV is not the answer.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
If I end up with an MP who never supports what I want to see, and always votes against what I do want, that is actually less than nothing. My Tory MP is a total negative, Mr Quid.
And the whole House of Commons is a shambles.
What you need to remember is that a UK general election has three concurrent purposes. I wrote about this at some length on the thread before last.
Sorry, Mr Quid. I don`t follow you that closely. Without even knowing what those three concurrent purposes might have been, the system we have in the UK is a failure on all three.
I
? If you don't know what three purposes he's talking about, how do you it must fail on all three?
I await his retort to my post!!!
In fact, Mr Kle, I don`t need to. Mr Quid comes straight out of the Tory Handbook for PB posters.
One of those facts of life really. Labour win the voting system is tickety boo . Labour lose FPTP is the worse and most undemocratic system ever ever, so there.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
If I end up with an MP who never supports what I want to see, and always votes against what I do want, that is actually less than nothing. My Tory MP is a total negative, Mr Quid.
And the whole House of Commons is a shambles.
What you need to remember is that a UK general election has three concurrent purposes. I wrote about this at some length on the thread before last.
Sorry, Mr Quid. I don`t follow you that closely. Without even knowing what those three concurrent purposes might have been, the system we have in the UK is a failure on all three.
I
? If you don't know what three purposes he's talking about, how do you it must fail on all three?
I await his retort to my post!!!
In fact, Mr Kle, I don`t need to. Mr Quid comes straight out of the Tory Handbook for PB posters.
You should back my electoral system, which is the Directly Elected Dictator model.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
If I end up with an MP who never supports what I want to see, and always votes against what I do want, that is actually less than nothing. My Tory MP is a total negative, Mr Quid.
And the whole House of Commons is a shambles.
These arguments a too childish and too pathetic for words
My Tory MP in the last parliament was a total dud as a constituency MP (it was Lansley). I didn't even get to vote for or against him as I moved into the constituency after the 2010 election.
I should have demanded an election when I moved so I could have had my say! It was unfair for me to be represented by someone I'd had no chance to vote for!
Change the system now!
I have just checked out Iggle Piggle on youtube.
It cannot last long. There is not enough acid in the world to keep those scriptwriters going!
It is like the Magic Roundabout without the advantage of brevity.
Now that I've published a thread on AV/electoral voting systems, what threads am I going to do now to terrorise delight PBers?
You didn`t mention AV.... Or did I miss that too?
What we need on PB is a really good thread on voting systems.
It was implicitly implied with the ERS figures for the 2015 general election result AV and I did say
As we can see below, under the various PR systems, we would likely see a Tory/UKIP coalition, indeed some Tories might well regret not voting for AV in the 2011 referendum, as they would have done better under AV than under First Past The Post.
George Osborne announces a three billion pound partnership with Bill Gates to eliminate malaria by the end of the decade, the money coming from the foreign aid budget. Would imagine it will be well received by many
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
If I end up with an MP who never supports what I want to see, and always votes against what I do want, that is actually less than nothing. My Tory MP is a total negative, Mr Quid.
And the whole House of Commons is a shambles.
What you need to remember is that a UK general election has three concurrent purposes. I wrote about this at some length on the thread before last.
Sorry, Mr Quid. I don`t follow you that closely. Without even knowing what those three concurrent purposes might have been, the system we have in the UK is a failure on all three.
I
? If you don't know what three purposes he's talking about, how do you it must fail on all three?
I await his retort to my post!!!
In fact, Mr Kle, I don`t need to. Mr Quid comes straight out of the Tory Handbook for PB posters.
On topic, electoral reform is not the same as political reform.
Our political system currently sees a general election trying to do three things:
(1) Elect a prime minister and a government by the voters without allowing parties to stitch up the result without reference to the voters (2) Elect a legislature that represents the political balance of the country (3) Elect a super social worker ("I must write to my MP about that") for every area of the country - party is irrelevant to this.
And of course, Mr Quid is quite wrong.
Point 1 should read: Elect a prime minister and a government by the voters, who can command a majority of votes in the House of Commons.
Point 2 is quite right.
Point 3 is a strategy to win votes, not an objective. (This point seems to come straight our of the Tory Party handbook.)
So I apologise to Mr Quid for having said that he was entirely wrong. His post was a bit of a curate`s egg.
There are only two very likely outcomes I foresee. The SDLP will lose a few seats and People Before Profit will gain one or two. I think the end of Robinson was like when certain FTSE CEOs step down and the share price rises several percentage points, he was spent. Unionists know that ejecting Sinn Féin would mean replacing devolution with Iain Duncan Smith and they don't seem eager to walk that road yet. The UUP gained a pact candidate at Westminster; so did the DUP. Their decline is continuing but slowly because young Catholics quit NI or quit voting. Sinn Féin will presumably have recovered after the southern February election in time for May but the rise of PBP reflects in part their voters' tiredness with the leaderships' southern rebasing.
On topic, electoral reform is not the same as political reform.
Our political system currently sees a general election trying to do three things:
(1) Elect a prime minister and a government by the voters without allowing parties to stitch up the result without reference to the voters (2) Elect a legislature that represents the political balance of the country (3) Elect a super social worker ("I must write to my MP about that") for every area of the country - party is irrelevant to this.
And of course, Mr Quid is quite wrong.
Point 1 should read: Elect a prime minister and a government by the voters, who can command a majority of votes in the House of Commons.
Point 2 is quite right.
Point 3 is a strategy to win votes, not an objective. (This point seems to come straight our of the Tory Party handbook.)
So I apologise to Mr Quid for having said that he was entirely wrong. His post was a bit of a curate`s egg.
If you don't allow the electorate to elect a majority of MPs from one party, you get the parties stitching up the PM/government without reference to the voters. As happened in 2010.
And the "super social worker" is unquestionably by consensus a big part of the job. If it weren't, you wouldn't hear about "good constituency MPs".
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Tell that to the millions who have never in the lifetimes elected anyone under FPTP (despite voting for the MAJOR parties).
If you vote, you elect someone. Just because you don't vote for the winner doesn't mean you don't have a representative.
"You elect someone".
Nope, you participate, but DON'T elect anyone. A majority of those who participated could have stayed at home, without changing the result.
If you view that with equanimity, you'd feel quite comfortable in a dictatorship, I suggest.
What is "representative democracy", if the majority elect no-one? The "representatives" may as well be appointees...
If you follow your argument to its logical conclusion you'd have to advocate not merely for one person, one vote, but one person, one representative, which is absurd.
That would of course be the unattainable "perfect" PR, which no country enjoys, although most come quite close.
So, why is coming close not possible or desirable?
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Tell that to the millions who have never in the lifetimes elected anyone under FPTP (despite voting for the MAJOR parties).
If you vote, you elect someone. Just because you don't vote for the winner doesn't mean you don't have a representative.
"You elect someone".
Nope, you participate, but DON'T elect anyone. A majority of those who participated could have stayed at home, without changing the result.
If you view that with equanimity, you'd feel quite comfortable in a dictatorship, I suggest.
What is "representative democracy", if the majority elect no-one? The "representatives" may as well be appointees...
If you follow your argument to its logical conclusion you'd have to advocate not merely for one person, one vote, but one person, one representative, which is absurd.
That would of course be the unattainable "perfect" PR, which no country enjoys, although most come quite close.
So, why is coming close not possible or desirable?
Re Trump comments (and I am no big fan), it seems like his tweet about Paris and Germany has been taken incorrectly. Based on the C-SPAN/MSNBC it appears that the guy was way back in the crowd wearing a bright red turban, and from view from stage it looked a lot like he was wearing Trump merch...i.e. Trump was talking about a Make America Great Again hat when he made the comment.
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Tell that to the millions who have never in the lifetimes elected anyone under FPTP (despite voting for the MAJOR parties).
If you vote, you elect someone. Just because you don't vote for the winner doesn't mean you don't have a representative.
"You elect someone".
Nope, you participate, but DON'T elect anyone. A majority of those who participated could have stayed at home, without changing the result.
If you view that with equanimity, you'd feel quite comfortable in a dictatorship, I suggest.
What is "representative democracy", if the majority elect no-one? The "representatives" may as well be appointees...
If you follow your argument to its logical conclusion you'd have to advocate not merely for one person, one vote, but one person, one representative, which is absurd.
That would of course be the unattainable "perfect" PR, which no country enjoys, although most come quite close.
So, why is coming close not possible or desirable?
It's not desirable because the political parties stitch up the selection of the PM without reference to the voters.
George Osborne announces a three billion pound partnership with Bill Gates to eliminate malaria by the end of the decade, the money coming from the foreign aid budget. Would imagine it will be well received by many
I think this story may be a hoax. If it was true it would be important and great news but just watched the BBC news and it was not mentioned at all!
Good, information-packed article, even if the conclusion begs the question - why bother?
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Tell that to the millions who have never in the lifetimes elected anyone under FPTP (despite voting for the MAJOR parties).
If you vote, you elect someone. Just because you don't vote for the winner doesn't mean you don't have a representative.
"You elect someone".
Nope, you participate, but DON'T elect anyone. A majority of those who participated could have stayed at home, without changing the result.
If you view that with equanimity, you'd feel quite comfortable in a dictatorship, I suggest.
What is "representative democracy", if the majority elect no-one? The "representatives" may as well be appointees...
If you follow your argument to its logical conclusion you'd have to advocate not merely for one person, one vote, but one person, one representative, which is absurd.
That would of course be the unattainable "perfect" PR, which no country enjoys, although most come quite close.
So, why is coming close not possible or desirable?
It's not desirable because the political parties stitch up the selection of the PM without reference to the voters.
I have news for you. Our own constitution is based on that principle, whether or not a party happens to win a majority under the FPTP lottery.
a) a party (or coalition) can replace its own PM at any time, without reference to the voters. b) a PM can remain in office, after an election, irrespective of the opinion of the voters, if he/she can cobble together a coalition.
The only difference is that, under FPTP, a single-party majority remains a possibility, even if that may prove more unstable (see 1992) than a negotiated coalition (see 2010)...
George Osborne announces a three billion pound partnership with Bill Gates to eliminate malaria by the end of the decade, the money coming from the foreign aid budget. Would imagine it will be well received by many
I think this story may be a hoax. If it was true it would be important and great news but just watched the BBC news and it was not mentioned at all!
Featuring on the front page of tomorrows Times. The news are fixated with the US snow storm and the migrant crisis. Just to correct my post the article does say over the next decades not decade
George Osborne announces a three billion pound partnership with Bill Gates to eliminate malaria by the end of the decade, the money coming from the foreign aid budget. Would imagine it will be well received by many
I think this story may be a hoax. If it was true it would be important and great news but just watched the BBC news and it was not mentioned at all!
The one thing the Gates Foundation is not lacking is capital...
George Osborne announces a three billion pound partnership with Bill Gates to eliminate malaria by the end of the decade, the money coming from the foreign aid budget. Would imagine it will be well received by many
I think this story may be a hoax. If it was true it would be important and great news but just watched the BBC news and it was not mentioned at all!
They walked away with an MP. There is no right to vote for a winner.
Cobblers. A dictatorship could make an identical claim...
Nonsense. In a democracy, you sometimes lose. In a dictatorship, you always lose.
Tell that to the millions who have never in the lifetimes elected anyone under FPTP (despite voting for the MAJOR parties).
If you vote, you elect someone. Just because you don't vote for the winner doesn't mean you don't have a representative.
"You elect someone".
Nope, you participate, but DON'T elect anyone. A majority of those who participated could have stayed at home, without changing the result.
If you view that with equanimity, you'd feel quite comfortable in a dictatorship, I suggest.
What is "representative democracy", if the majority elect no-one? The "representatives" may as well be appointees...
If you follow your argument to its logical conclusion you'd have to advocate not merely for one person, one vote, but one person, one representative, which is absurd.
That would of course be the unattainable "perfect" PR, which no country enjoys, although most come quite close.
So, why is coming close not possible or desirable?
It's not desirable because the political parties stitch up the selection of the PM without reference to the voters.
I have news for you. Our own constitution is based on that principle, whether or not a party happens to win a majority under the FPTP lottery.
a) a party (or coalition) can replace its own PM at any time, without reference to the voters. b) a PM can remain in office, after an election, irrespective of the opinion of the voters, if he/she can cobble together a coalition.
The only difference is that, under FPTP, a single-party majority remains a possibility, even if that may prove more unstable (see 1992) than a negotiated coalition (see 2010)...
Yes, as I said, our current system achieves purpose 1 only acceptably. It would be better to separate the election of the PM from the election of the Commons.
But until that happens, adding proportionality to the Commons makes the election of the PM less acceptable.
George Osborne announces a three billion pound partnership with Bill Gates to eliminate malaria by the end of the decade, the money coming from the foreign aid budget. Would imagine it will be well received by many
I think this story may be a hoax. If it was true it would be important and great news but just watched the BBC news and it was not mentioned at all!
The one thing the Gates Foundation is not lacking is capital...
George Osborne is travelling to Liverpool with Bill Gates to see ground breaking research and the deal is part of George Osborne's control over a new look foreign aid programme
On topic, electoral reform is not the same as political reform.
Our political system currently sees a general election trying to do three things:
(1) Elect a prime minister and a government by the voters without allowing parties to stitch up the result without reference to the voters (2) Elect a legislature that represents the political balance of the country (3) Elect a super social worker ("I must write to my MP about that") for every area of the country - party is irrelevant to this.
And of course, Mr Quid is quite wrong.
Point 1 should read: Elect a prime minister and a government by the voters, who can command a majority of votes in the House of Commons.
Point 2 is quite right.
Point 3 is a strategy to win votes, not an objective. (This point seems to come straight our of the Tory Party handbook.)
So I apologise to Mr Quid for having said that he was entirely wrong. His post was a bit of a curate`s egg.
If you don't allow the electorate to elect a majority of MPs from one party, you get the parties stitching up the PM/government without reference to the voters. As happened in 2010.
And the "super social worker" is unquestionably by consensus a big part of the job. If it weren't, you wouldn't hear about "good constituency MPs".
Any voting system is capable of throwing up enough MPs to provide a majority in Parliament. Including STV and AV, if that is how the electorate as a whole feels.
Contrariwise, the Coalition Government, from the point of view of the country, was one of the best we have had in recent years. Mr Cameron seemed to be much more comfortable with that than he does with the present set-up.
On your last point, Mr Quid, how many Tory MPs are described as "good constituency MPs", according to your definition? I suspect the answer is relatvely small.
Thanks. As big and varied a place as it is, their electoral rules and cycles seem needlessly complex. I wonder if ours seems that way to them? Surely not?
George Osborne announces a three billion pound partnership with Bill Gates to eliminate malaria by the end of the decade, the money coming from the foreign aid budget. Would imagine it will be well received by many
I think this story may be a hoax. If it was true it would be important and great news but just watched the BBC news and it was not mentioned at all!
The one thing the Gates Foundation is not lacking is capital...
George Osborne is travelling to Liverpool with Bill Gates to see ground breaking research and the deal is part of George Osborne's control over a new look foreign aid programme
Ah, yes - to the world's first School of Tropical Medicine, recipient (via Ronald Ross) of the world's first Nobel Prize for Medicine, and the UK's first Nobel Prize for anything...
George Osborne announces a three billion pound partnership with Bill Gates to eliminate malaria by the end of the decade, the money coming from the foreign aid budget. Would imagine it will be well received by many
I think this story may be a hoax. If it was true it would be important and great news but just watched the BBC news and it was not mentioned at all!
The one thing the Gates Foundation is not lacking is capital...
George Osborne is travelling to Liverpool with Bill Gates to see ground breaking research and the deal is part of George Osborne's control over a new look foreign aid programme
Ah, yes - to the world's first School of Tropical Medicine, recipient (via Ronald Ross) of the world's first Nobel Prize for Medicine, and the UK's first Nobel Prize for anything...
Any voting system is capable of throwing up enough MPs to provide a majority in Parliament. Including STV and AV, if that is how the electorate as a whole feels.
Contrariwise, the Coalition Government, from the point of view of the country, was one of the best we have had in recent years. Mr Cameron seemed to be much more comfortable with that than he does with the present set-up.
[citation needed] on that latter point. But you need to remember that the coalition government had the explicit support of 0% of the electorate.
On your last point, Mr Quid, how many Tory MPs are described as "good constituency MPs", according to your definition? I suspect the answer is relatvely small.
George Osborne announces a three billion pound partnership with Bill Gates to eliminate malaria by the end of the decade, the money coming from the foreign aid budget. Would imagine it will be well received by many
I think this story may be a hoax. If it was true it would be important and great news but just watched the BBC news and it was not mentioned at all!
The one thing the Gates Foundation is not lacking is capital...
George Osborne is travelling to Liverpool with Bill Gates to see ground breaking research and the deal is part of George Osborne's control over a new look foreign aid programme
Ah, yes - to the world's first School of Tropical Medicine, recipient (via Ronald Ross) of the world's first Nobel Prize for Medicine, and the UK's first Nobel Prize for anything...
Not as good as Keppel Street though...
Anything of note - in public health, architecture, infrastructure, transport, social reform, and a host of others, Liverpool was first - in the world.
One of the most innovative cities in the world. In comparison, London was an intellectual backwater...
George Osborne announces a three billion pound partnership with Bill Gates to eliminate malaria by the end of the decade, the money coming from the foreign aid budget. Would imagine it will be well received by many
I think this story may be a hoax. If it was true it would be important and great news but just watched the BBC news and it was not mentioned at all!
The one thing the Gates Foundation is not lacking is capital...
George Osborne is travelling to Liverpool with Bill Gates to see ground breaking research and the deal is part of George Osborne's control over a new look foreign aid programme
Ah, yes - to the world's first School of Tropical Medicine, recipient (via Ronald Ross) of the world's first Nobel Prize for Medicine, and the UK's first Nobel Prize for anything...
Not as good as Keppel Street though...
Anything of note - in public health, architecture, infrastructure, transport, social reform, and a host of others, Liverpool was first - in the world.
One of the most innovative cities in the world. In comparison, London was an intellectual backwater...
These days, Liverpool leads the world only in arrogance.
George Osborne announces a three billion pound partnership with Bill Gates to eliminate malaria by the end of the decade, the money coming from the foreign aid budget. Would imagine it will be well received by many
I think this story may be a hoax. If it was true it would be important and great news but just watched the BBC news and it was not mentioned at all!
The one thing the Gates Foundation is not lacking is capital...
George Osborne is travelling to Liverpool with Bill Gates to see ground breaking research and the deal is part of George Osborne's control over a new look foreign aid programme
Ah, yes - to the world's first School of Tropical Medicine, recipient (via Ronald Ross) of the world's first Nobel Prize for Medicine, and the UK's first Nobel Prize for anything...
Not as good as Keppel Street though...
Anything of note - in public health, architecture, infrastructure, transport, social reform, and a host of others, Liverpool was first - in the world.
One of the most innovative cities in the world. In comparison, London was an intellectual backwater...
These days, Liverpool leads the world only in arrogance.
Diddums. Setting the record straight is not arrogance.
The glories of the past are long gone, in terms of current pretensions, yet the fine legacy makes Liverpool still probably England's most liveable city.
Clean air, big skies, the "most splendid setting" and "finest public parks" of any city (English Heritage), broad tree-lined thoroughfares, the most beaches and golf courses of any Metropolitan area, a public transport system rivalled only by London's, internationally connected by sea and air, and yet 96% white, even though almost everyone is immigrant-descended!
Liverpool alone has 23, including one of only three VC*s ever awarded...
23 Indian VC recipients is quite a haul for one city...
where's yr Nobel prizes then ?
Sir Ronald Ross (awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1902) for his work with malaria. Charles Barkla (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1917) for discovering the electromagnetic properties of X-rays. Sir Charles Sherrington (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine in 1932) for his research into neurons. Sir James Chadwick (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1935) for discovering neutrons. Sir Robert Robinson (awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1947) for his research into anthocyanins and alkaloids. Har Gobind Khorana (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine in 1968) for his work on the interpretation of the genetic code and its function in protein synthesis. Rodney Porter (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine in 1972) for his discovery of the structure of antibodies. Ronald Coase (awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1991) for his discovery and clarification of the significance of transaction costs and property rights for the institutional structure and functioning of the economy. Joseph Rotblat (awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1995) for his efforts with nuclear disarmament.
Liverpool alone has 23, including one of only three VC*s ever awarded...
23 Indian VC recipients is quite a haul for one city...
where's yr Nobel prizes then ?
Sir Ronald Ross (awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1902) for his work with malaria. Charles Barkla (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1917) for discovering the electromagnetic properties of X-rays. Sir Charles Sherrington (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine in 1932) for his research into neurons. Sir James Chadwick (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1935) for discovering neutrons. Sir Robert Robinson (awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1947) for his research into anthocyanins and alkaloids. Har Gobind Khorana (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine in 1968) for his work on the interpretation of the genetic code and its function in protein synthesis. Rodney Porter (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine in 1972) for his discovery of the structure of antibodies. Ronald Coase (awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1991) for his discovery and clarification of the significance of transaction costs and property rights for the institutional structure and functioning of the economy. Joseph Rotblat (awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1995) for his efforts with nuclear disarmament.
And those are just off the top of yr head, I'll warrant. You must be good in a pub quiz!
(Did they do the work in Liverpool too, or did they go to Cambridge/Harvard or elsewhere?)
Liverpool alone has 23, including one of only three VC*s ever awarded...
23 Indian VC recipients is quite a haul for one city...
where's yr Nobel prizes then ?
Sir Ronald Ross (awarded the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1902) for his work with malaria. Charles Barkla (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1917) for discovering the electromagnetic properties of X-rays. Sir Charles Sherrington (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine in 1932) for his research into neurons. Sir James Chadwick (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1935) for discovering neutrons. Sir Robert Robinson (awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1947) for his research into anthocyanins and alkaloids. Har Gobind Khorana (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine in 1968) for his work on the interpretation of the genetic code and its function in protein synthesis. Rodney Porter (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine in 1972) for his discovery of the structure of antibodies. Ronald Coase (awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1991) for his discovery and clarification of the significance of transaction costs and property rights for the institutional structure and functioning of the economy. Joseph Rotblat (awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1995) for his efforts with nuclear disarmament.
And those are just off the top of yr head, I'll warrant. You must be good in a pub quiz!
(Did they do the work in Liverpool too, or did they go to Cambridge/Harvard or elsewhere?)
I'm not sure what the definition is, or if it matters...
Chadwick and the Neutron is well-known, which had a direct impact (as did the University later, via Rotblat) on the development of the A-bomb.
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Three in a row!
Cheat TSE!
Believe me, PB is sane compared to In the Night Garden ...
Although I do sometimes wonder if Plato is Upsy Dais, and Roger Iggle Piggle ...
What? You're telling me it isn't a documentary?
Yeah, sounds about right.
I do like the idea the major players were hoping for a hung parliament so they could ensure a few more concessions, but that the Tory majority, slim though it is, scuppered that. Serves them right for not dealing with problems at the time, I suppose.
The hope they might, as a result of that and Corbyn making overtures to Labour implausible for the DUP, start to focus on normal concerns, strikes me as optimistic. I've long since become inured to news of political wrangling in NI (as I was only entering adolescence by the time of the Good Friday Agreement, my abiding memory of NI is not of a place of violence, but a place where old farts never move on or shut the f--- up about things that shouldn't be as important as they make them seen; that may not be reasonable, given the history of the place, but not having grown up with the worst of it, it's harder to accept, at a core level, how difficult it must be for them to move on properly).
Andrew Neil Retweeted Michael Burns
Sanders problem will be Super Tuesday. Though Left he doesn't poll well with ethnic voters
Super Tuesday Democratic race, if Sanders wins Iowa:
Alabama: Hillary
American Samoa: ?
Arkansas: Hillary
Colorado: Sanders
Georgia: Hillary
Massachusetts: Sanders
Minnesota: Sanders
Oklahoma: Sanders
Tennessee: ?
Texas: ?
Vermont: Sanders
Virginia: Hillary
So 4 Hillary wins, 5 Sanders wins, and 3 too close too call.
The only significant point I would highlight is that under STV in NI, around 95% of voters elect someone from their first-choice party (with around 80% also getting their first choice candidate) whereas under indefensible FPTP, for the past three general elections, a majority of those who even bothered to participate walked away with nothing...
* Told you I was from Glasgow
And what the **** are the Haahoos meant to represent?
Entirely complimentary.
In addition to that outrageous state of affairs, I repeat again, for the hard of hearing.
For the past three elections, a MAJORITY of those who participated elected no-one.
So if a majority elect no-one, who exactly do the "representatives" purport to represent?
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/691324787554131969
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statewide_opinion_polling_for_the_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
If you want to elect someone you need to win, you don't just need to vote. Maybe take part and campaign etc.
And the whole House of Commons is a shambles.
Nope, you participate, but DON'T elect anyone. A majority of those who participated could have stayed at home, without changing the result.
If you view that with equanimity, you'd feel quite comfortable in a dictatorship, I suggest.
What is "representative democracy", if the majority elect no-one? The "representatives" may as well be appointees...
If everyone elects someone then what is the point? May as well appoint everyone.
Most MPs are not supported by the majority of their constituents, so do not represent their views.
The government of the day does not have any moral right to run the country.
What was the third one?
I should have demanded an election when I moved so I could have had my say! It was unfair for me to be represented by someone I'd had no chance to vote for!
Change the system now!
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2010/05/10/as-pr-becomes-centre-stage-what-about-this/
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/918652/#Comment_918652
In fact, Mr Kle, I don`t need to. Mr Quid comes straight out of the Tory Handbook for PB posters.
Everyone is a winner under that system.
What we need on PB is a really good thread on voting systems.
It cannot last long. There is not enough acid in the world to keep those scriptwriters going!
It is like the Magic Roundabout without the advantage of brevity.
http://www.sikhsinthearmy.co.uk/vc-winners/4545958279
As we can see below, under the various PR systems, we would likely see a Tory/UKIP coalition, indeed some Tories might well regret not voting for AV in the 2011 referendum, as they would have done better under AV than under First Past The Post.
Here are the three purposes of a UK general election: http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/918652/#Comment_918652
Point 1 should read: Elect a prime minister and a government by the voters, who can command a majority of votes in the House of Commons.
Point 2 is quite right.
Point 3 is a strategy to win votes, not an objective. (This point seems to come straight our of the Tory Party handbook.)
So I apologise to Mr Quid for having said that he was entirely wrong. His post was a bit of a curate`s egg.
And the "super social worker" is unquestionably by consensus a big part of the job. If it weren't, you wouldn't hear about "good constituency MPs".
So, why is coming close not possible or desirable?
a) a party (or coalition) can replace its own PM at any time, without reference to the voters.
b) a PM can remain in office, after an election, irrespective of the opinion of the voters, if he/she can cobble together a coalition.
The only difference is that, under FPTP, a single-party majority remains a possibility, even if that may prove more unstable (see 1992) than a negotiated coalition (see 2010)...
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-george-osborne-and-bill-gates-to-join-forces-to-end-malaria
The government also funds about 25% of Medicines for Malaria Venture.
But until that happens, adding proportionality to the Commons makes the election of the PM less acceptable.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-long-game/article/2000702
Contrariwise, the Coalition Government, from the point of view of the country, was one of the best we have had in recent years. Mr Cameron seemed to be much more comfortable with that than he does with the present set-up.
On your last point, Mr Quid, how many Tory MPs are described as "good constituency MPs", according to your definition? I suspect the answer is relatvely small.
One of the most innovative cities in the world. In comparison, London was an intellectual backwater...
The glories of the past are long gone, in terms of current pretensions, yet the fine legacy makes Liverpool still probably England's most liveable city.
Clean air, big skies, the "most splendid setting" and "finest public parks" of any city (English Heritage), broad tree-lined thoroughfares, the most beaches and golf courses of any Metropolitan area, a public transport system rivalled only by London's, internationally connected by sea and air, and yet 96% white, even though almost everyone is immigrant-descended!
11 in WW1
One on the NW Frontier
28 in WW2
where's yr Nobel prizes then
Charles Barkla (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1917) for discovering the electromagnetic properties of X-rays.
Sir Charles Sherrington (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine in 1932) for his research into neurons.
Sir James Chadwick (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1935) for discovering neutrons.
Sir Robert Robinson (awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1947) for his research into anthocyanins and alkaloids.
Har Gobind Khorana (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine in 1968) for his work on the interpretation of the genetic code and its function in protein synthesis.
Rodney Porter (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine in 1972) for his discovery of the structure of antibodies.
Ronald Coase (awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1991) for his discovery and clarification of the significance of transaction costs and property rights for the institutional structure and functioning of the economy.
Joseph Rotblat (awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1995) for his efforts with nuclear disarmament.
(Did they do the work in Liverpool too, or did they go to Cambridge/Harvard or elsewhere?)
Chadwick and the Neutron is well-known, which had a direct impact (as did the University later, via Rotblat) on the development of the A-bomb.