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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,703
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Usually somewhere is the safe have to which everyone runs.

    Cash (where I've been lurking since November)
    If it was Yen, then you've done very well.
    But Sterling has been pretty shockingly weak against the USD and the Euro.
    The pound has gained about 8% against the Euro since November.
    No it hasn't?

    Edit: just seen you corrected it!
    Interestingly the HMRC rate for December was 1.41 though...
  • dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    Is it just me or is the idea of something higher than "top secret" a bizarre use of the English language?
    "Eyes only" :)
  • Scott_P said:

    @paulwaugh: Senior Labour source warns Trident Commons vote wd be purely "symbolic" + suggests cd be reversed by a Corbyn govt https://t.co/SleIsNPMEH

    JICIPM! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,242

    dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    Is it just me or is the idea of something higher than "top secret" a bizarre use of the English language?
    Super duper, please don't use your personal email account to send this to anyone, top secret, perhaps?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,287
    dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    If there is anything Category One, Yankee White, she might be in deepest pooh....!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,546
    edited January 2016

    dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    Is it just me or is the idea of something higher than "top secret" a bizarre use of the English language?
    Hey Bill,

    Sorry have to cancel our meal out on Monday. We've found where Osama is and we're sending in the Special Forces that night and I'll be in the PEOC watching it happen.

    xxxxx

    Hillary
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,351

    dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    Is it just me or is the idea of something higher than "top secret" a bizarre use of the English language?
    Isn't 'top secret' the highest level of general classification. Above that, it's distributed on a mane-only basis?

    But yes, linguistically, if something's the 'top' then there shouldn't be anything higher!
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The changing face of realism in Russian politics.
    https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/689819699509465088
    I bet some Jews will take up the offer.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,287
    edited January 2016

    dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    Is it just me or is the idea of something higher than "top secret" a bizarre use of the English language?
    Hey Bill,

    Sorry have to cancel our meal out on Monday. We've found where Osama is and we're sending in the Special Forces that night and I'll be in the PEOC watching it happen.

    xxxxx

    Hillary
    Look at these cool photos of aliens! If only the public knew, huh?

    Oh, I forgot - you already saw them as President! lolz!!

    Hillary
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,351
    dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    Should we not be seriously considering the possibility of a non-Hillary Democrat candidate now?

    (Credit to TimB who kept banging on about this last year when most were writing it off as another WhiteWater-type Beltway story).
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    I fail to see how they are going to real get much more traction out of this. They have been digging and digging and digging for so long - and not harm has been shown to have been done.

    If it has taken 'intelligence officials' this long to find this, they really aren't that good at their job.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,242
    MikeK said:

    The changing face of realism in Russian politics.
    https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/689819699509465088
    I bet some Jews will take up the offer.

    Wouldn't they just go to Israel?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,659
    edited January 2016
    I see d'Ancona is pointing out Theresa May is still on the fence and advising her not to sign up for the Leave campaign in the Evening Standard tonight.

    He thinks her position is all about her future leadership ambitions and not the EU, which is probably right, and says if she's serious about the top-job she should steer clear of Leave. He ends his article with a very thinly veiled threat.

    Given how close he is to the Cameroons, I find that interesting.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    If the DOW Jones continues to fall at at the present rate, it could lose over 1000 points by days end.
    Bear Market officially proclaimed: MSCI global stock market index hits bear market
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,191
    edited January 2016

    dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    I fail to see how they are going to real get much more traction out of this. They have been digging and digging and digging for so long - and not harm has been shown to have been done.

    If it has taken 'intelligence officials' this long to find this, they really aren't that good at their job.
    Erhhhh...because the FBI are investigating that very little is being said.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    MaxPB said:

    MikeK said:

    The changing face of realism in Russian politics.
    https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/689819699509465088
    I bet some Jews will take up the offer.

    Wouldn't they just go to Israel?
    Some would, but lots of Jews would prefer the challenge of opening new businesses in Moscow or St. Petersburg.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    MikeK said:

    If the DOW Jones continues to fall at at the present rate, it could lose over 1000 points by days end.
    Bear Market officially proclaimed: MSCI global stock market index hits bear market

    Is there a particular reason that you're celebrating this?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,703
    I note Glaxo is still above the 1255 I bought in at ^_^
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    'Given how close he is to the Cameroons, I find that interesting.'

    Or nauseating, according to taste.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,703
    edited January 2016
    matt said:

    MikeK said:

    If the DOW Jones continues to fall at at the present rate, it could lose over 1000 points by days end.
    Bear Market officially proclaimed: MSCI global stock market index hits bear market

    Is there a particular reason that you're celebrating this?
    Maybe he sold a massive CFD on the DOW ?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    I see d'Ancona is pointing out Theresa May is still on the fence and advising her not to sign up for the Leave campaign in the Evening Standard tonight.

    He thinks her position is all about her future leadership ambitions and not the EU, which is probably right, and says if she's serious about the top-job she should steer clear of Leave. He ends his article with a very thinly veiled threat.

    Given how close he is to the Cameroons, I find that interesting.

    If she's serious about the top job she will lead Leave. A 25% chance is a lot better than a 5% one. The downside would be giving up the Home Office, but she's done that long enough.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    Pulpstar said:

    matt said:

    MikeK said:

    If the DOW Jones continues to fall at at the present rate, it could lose over 1000 points by days end.
    Bear Market officially proclaimed: MSCI global stock market index hits bear market

    Is there a particular reason that you're celebrating this?
    Maybe he sold a massive CFD on the DOW ?
    I did consider that but....
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited January 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    I note Glaxo is still above the 1255 I bought in at ^_^

    What % chance do you think the Donald has if he gets the nomination, against;

    a) Hillary
    b) not Hillary
  • dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    If there is anything Category One, Yankee White, she might be in deepest pooh....!
    HRCWNBPOTUS?
  • dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    Is it just me or is the idea of something higher than "top secret" a bizarre use of the English language?
    Isn't 'top secret' the highest level of general classification. Above that, it's distributed on a mane-only basis?

    But yes, linguistically, if something's the 'top' then there shouldn't be anything higher!
    During WW2 Top Secret was only the 2nd highest security clearance grade. The highest was Bigot. Reserved for, eg, those who knew the Overlord plans in early 1944.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    matt said:

    MikeK said:

    If the DOW Jones continues to fall at at the present rate, it could lose over 1000 points by days end.
    Bear Market officially proclaimed: MSCI global stock market index hits bear market

    Is there a particular reason that you're celebrating this?
    Maybe he sold a massive CFD on the DOW ?
    He sold at 102. Or was it 1 or 2. He can't remember now.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,287

    dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    If there is anything Category One, Yankee White, she might be in deepest pooh....!
    HRCWNBPOTUS?
    Shhhhhh...... No-one is to know....
  • blackburn63blackburn63 Posts: 4,492

    I see d'Ancona is pointing out Theresa May is still on the fence and advising her not to sign up for the Leave campaign in the Evening Standard tonight.

    He thinks her position is all about her future leadership ambitions and not the EU, which is probably right, and says if she's serious about the top-job she should steer clear of Leave. He ends his article with a very thinly veiled threat.

    Given how close he is to the Cameroons, I find that interesting.

    So you're free to campaign for either side but if you campaign for Leave your career is over.

    Incidentally which MPs turned up for the Trump debate the other day, anybody know?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,703
    edited January 2016
    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I note Glaxo is still above the 1255 I bought in at ^_^

    What % chance do you think the Donald has if he gets the nomination, against;

    a) Hillary
    b) not Hillary
    Depends who Not Hillary is,

    Hillary - perhaps 35% or so ?
    Sanders - 30% ?
    Biden 25% ?

    I've not put a penny on Trump for POTUS personally.
  • JonCisBackJonCisBack Posts: 911
    edited January 2016
    Assuming it would be unwise for me to google it at work, what on earth are "poppers"??

    Actually, not sure I want to know...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PolhomeEditor: Alex Salmond: "We're closer to independence than we've ever been." #LBC
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    dr_spyn said:

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 27s28 seconds ago
    Intelligence officials find emails on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private computer server reckoned higher than “top secret"

    Don't think that HIlary will like this news to break out.

    I fail to see how they are going to real get much more traction out of this. They have been digging and digging and digging for so long - and not harm has been shown to have been done.

    If it has taken 'intelligence officials' this long to find this, they really aren't that good at their job.
    I would tend to agree. And what is the point of all this. Clinton had an email server, well did the intelligence people not know this at the time? If she should have had another more official state dept server, well would this have not been obvious to them at the time? Is the main reason they are upset that they could not spy on her? She was SoS for 4 years for goodness sake, how long does it take them to notice these things.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,287
    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Alex Salmond: "We're closer to independence than we've ever been." #LBC

    Well, that is still true even if independence is at some infinite point in the future....
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited January 2016
    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Alex Salmond: "We're closer to independence than we've ever been." #LBC

    He's absolutely right.

    Assuming it happens at some point in the future then they are nearer today than yesterday.

    edit: Damn you, @MarqueeMark !
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Reserved for, eg, those who knew the Overlord plans in early 1944.

    Does that include the Russians? they knew because the traitor Anthony Blunt gave them everything there was to know on Overlord.

    The information was so detailed the Russians thought it must be a sting.
  • Assuming it would be unwise for me to google it at work, what on earth are "poppers"??

    Actually, not sure I want to know...

    The song Animal Nitrate by Suede is about poppers.

    And you don't want to google them on a work machine.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Pulpstar said:

    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I note Glaxo is still above the 1255 I bought in at ^_^

    What % chance do you think the Donald has if he gets the nomination, against;

    a) Hillary
    b) not Hillary
    Depends who Not Hillary is,

    Hillary - perhaps 35% or so ?
    Sanders - 30% ?
    Biden 25% ?
    Yeah cheers for that.

    The betfair market seems to think Bad news for Hillary = good news for trump.

    I'm not sure I buy into that and I've just taken on quite a large position laying Donald for POTUS @ 5/1. I may top up further after iowa.

    Are you still riding the trump surge?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,685
    taffys said:
    The Dublin Convention is an agreement between sovereign states and they are entitled to withdraw from it if they see fit. Isn't this what Kippers want?

    We can take the line that those who have passed through safe countries are not refugees in terms of the UN Convention but that imposes no obligation on the countries which they have passed through and not claimed asylum to take them.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    matt said:

    MikeK said:

    If the DOW Jones continues to fall at at the present rate, it could lose over 1000 points by days end.
    Bear Market officially proclaimed: MSCI global stock market index hits bear market

    Is there a particular reason that you're celebrating this?
    Why on earth should you think that I'm celebrating this news? I'm simply reporting the facts. If you want to bury your little head in the sand and ignore it, thats your look-out.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,703
    edited January 2016
    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pong said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I note Glaxo is still above the 1255 I bought in at ^_^

    What % chance do you think the Donald has if he gets the nomination, against;

    a) Hillary
    b) not Hillary
    Depends who Not Hillary is,

    Hillary - perhaps 35% or so ?
    Sanders - 30% ?
    Biden 25% ?
    Yeah cheers for that.

    The betfair market seems to think Bad news for Hillary = good news for trump.

    I'm not sure I buy into that and I've just taken on quite a large position laying Donald for POTUS @ 5/1. I may top up further after iowa.

    Are you still riding the trump surge?
    I'll send you a link to "the book" in a couple of hours.

    Yes I am still on Trump, though Kasich is my best result now (Had to be worth a few pennies at longer than 100, shorely)
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Alex Salmond: "We're closer to independence than we've ever been." #LBC

    Well, that is still true even if independence is at some infinite point in the future....
    This is a very interesting concept. I'm glad you raised it. Can you ever be nearer to an infinite point in either time or space or spacetime?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    This is a very interesting concept. I'm glad you raised it. Can you ever be nearer to an infinite point in either time or space or spacetime?

    No
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Alex Salmond: "We're closer to independence than we've ever been." #LBC

    Well, that is still true even if independence is at some infinite point in the future....
    This is a very interesting concept. I'm glad you raised it. Can you ever be nearer to an infinite point in either time or space or spacetime?
    Well presumably something can never be at an infinite point in time, because that implies that there is a hard zero probability of it occurring in reality. In that case, then it can't be said to exist at all.

    Even if there is only a microscopic chance of the event occurring then, on a probability adjusted basis, @MarqueeMark is right.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''We can take the line that those who have passed through safe countries are not refugees in terms of the UN Convention but that imposes no obligation on the countries which they have passed through and not claimed asylum to take them.''

    As if any laws really apply when the EU wants to do something. When we want to change a law it's cast in stone and completely non-negotiable.
  • My life has been very sheltered, so I might be completely wrong, but I thought the effect of poppers was, err, muscular, rather than psycho-active. So why would this bill apply to them?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,703

    My life has been very sheltered, so I might be completely wrong, but I thought the effect of poppers was, err, muscular, rather than psycho-active. So why would this bill apply to them?

    They make you feel slightly light headed and increase heart rate briefly.
  • Pulpstar said:

    My life has been very sheltered, so I might be completely wrong, but I thought the effect of poppers was, err, muscular, rather than psycho-active. So why would this bill apply to them?

    They make you feel slightly light headed and increase heart rate briefly.
    Like coffee?
  • From the Fount of All Knowledge:

    The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs noted in 2011 that poppers, rather than being psychoactive substance or 'legal high', "appear to fall within the scope of The Intoxicating Substances (Supply) Act 1985".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppers
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,567

    Pulpstar said:

    My life has been very sheltered, so I might be completely wrong, but I thought the effect of poppers was, err, muscular, rather than psycho-active. So why would this bill apply to them?

    They make you feel slightly light headed and increase heart rate briefly.
    Like coffee?
    Caffeine is grandfathered in to all drug laws. Similarly alcohol and tobacco. ;)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,990

    I see d'Ancona is pointing out Theresa May is still on the fence and advising her not to sign up for the Leave campaign in the Evening Standard tonight.

    He thinks her position is all about her future leadership ambitions and not the EU, which is probably right, and says if she's serious about the top-job she should steer clear of Leave. He ends his article with a very thinly veiled threat.

    Given how close he is to the Cameroons, I find that interesting.

    So you're free to campaign for either side but if you campaign for Leave your career is over.



    That probably explains why hitherto fierce critics of the EU in the Conservative Party have become its champions
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    MikeK said:

    matt said:

    MikeK said:

    If the DOW Jones continues to fall at at the present rate, it could lose over 1000 points by days end.
    Bear Market officially proclaimed: MSCI global stock market index hits bear market

    Is there a particular reason that you're celebrating this?
    Why on earth should you think that I'm celebrating this news? I'm simply reporting the facts. If you want to bury your little head in the sand and ignore it, thats your look-out.
    Have you ever 'reported' on a market rising, or is it simply the falling ones that excite you?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,703

    Pulpstar said:

    My life has been very sheltered, so I might be completely wrong, but I thought the effect of poppers was, err, muscular, rather than psycho-active. So why would this bill apply to them?

    They make you feel slightly light headed and increase heart rate briefly.
    Like coffee?
    The effect felt somewhat stronger than coffee ! This is on a sample size of one - mind.
  • Pulpstar said:

    My life has been very sheltered, so I might be completely wrong, but I thought the effect of poppers was, err, muscular, rather than psycho-active. So why would this bill apply to them?

    They make you feel slightly light headed and increase heart rate briefly.
    They were once described to me as 'making your bum hole twitch a lot'.

    That wasn't a sentence that I'd ever thought that I would write on PB!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Dannythefink: Just finished reading the Beckett report on Labour's 2015 loss. My jaw dropped open. What a pathetic cowardly effort. A disgrace really.

    @Dannythefink: The sort of passive aggressive, 'we're victims' tone was amazing. She couldn't see the comedy in blaming the Tory victory on the Tories.
  • I think I'll stick to claret.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,567

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
  • Pulpstar said:

    My life has been very sheltered, so I might be completely wrong, but I thought the effect of poppers was, err, muscular, rather than psycho-active. So why would this bill apply to them?

    They make you feel slightly light headed and increase heart rate briefly.
    Like coffee?
    No. More like laxatives, but it does remarkable (good) things to one's anus, when you add in where a man's g spot is, it is a rather enjoyable experience.

    I'm not speaking from experience. I was offered them but declined. You don't put diesel in a Ferrari
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,685
    taffys said:

    ''We can take the line that those who have passed through safe countries are not refugees in terms of the UN Convention but that imposes no obligation on the countries which they have passed through and not claimed asylum to take them.''

    As if any laws really apply when the EU wants to do something. When we want to change a law it's cast in stone and completely non-negotiable.

    I'm sorry, this is sauce for the goose and the gander. If, say, France, wants to suspend the Dublin Convention then they may have the right to do so .
    Article 17 of the Convention provides:

    If a Member State experiences major difficulties as a result of a substantial change in the circumstances obtaining on conclusion of this Convention, the State in question may bring the matter before the Committee referred to in Article 18 so that the latter may put to the Member States measures to deal with the situation or adopt such revisions or amendments to this Convention as appear necessary, which shall enter into force as provided for in Article 16 (3).

    2. If, after six months, the situation mentioned in paragraph 1 still obtains, the Committee, acting in accordance with Article 18 (2), may authorize the Member State affected by that change to suspend temporarily the application of the provisions of this Convention, without such suspension being allowed to impede the achievement of the objectives mentioned in Article 8a of the Treaty establishing the European Economic Community or contravene other international obligations of the Member States.

    I don't think anyone could seriously dispute that there has been a substantial change in circumstances.
  • RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SamCoatesTimes: This from Yvette Cooper is a significant intervention. UK declines normally to comment on Schengen as a non member https://t.co/byPXvN6AMW
  • Miss CycleFree, it might be wise to skip my posts on this thread.

    I know how much my 'Change at Baker Street' posts shocked you, today is much worse.
  • RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Who drinks Claret these days and who calls it Claret? And don't tell me people with breeding. People with breeding drink Madeira, a nice 15 years old Bual or Verdelho.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,685

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
    I see what you mean. Shocking indeed.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: This from Yvette Cooper is a significant intervention. UK declines normally to comment on Schengen as a non member https://t.co/byPXvN6AMW

    Not sure it is that significant - given that she is no position to influence things.

    I happen to agree with her, but no-one in Europe is going to pay attention to a Labour backbencher at the moment
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,845

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
    Well you can - it just won't be pleasant!

    Given that the Spanish mix red wine with cola....
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
    That's why they invented coke. To mix with claret.
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited January 2016

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Who drinks Claret these days and who calls it Claret? And don't tell me people with breeding. People with breeding drink Madeira, a nice 15 years old Bual or Verdelho.
    Madeira, a drink for oldies who fantasise that they're living in Downton Abbey. Do you fit that description?
  • DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
    I see what you mean. Shocking indeed.
    I once mixed Vodka with some Moët, had a headache for a week and was over the legal limit for a month
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,287

    Scott_P said:

    @PolhomeEditor: Alex Salmond: "We're closer to independence than we've ever been." #LBC

    Well, that is still true even if independence is at some infinite point in the future....
    This is a very interesting concept. I'm glad you raised it. Can you ever be nearer to an infinite point in either time or space or spacetime?
    So you want to tell Mr Salmond that his journey towards infinity is futile gesture politics?

    Is it not possible to break him in gently with the concept of infinity minus 1?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,685

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
    I see what you mean. Shocking indeed.
    I once mixed Vodka with some Moët, had a headache for a week and was over the legal limit for a month
    Well its serves you right. Disgraceful. And a waste of good champagne too.
  • I trust they asked Jack W to present at yesterday's inquest to show them the error of their ways?
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
    I see what you mean. Shocking indeed.
    I once mixed Vodka with some Moët, had a headache for a week and was over the legal limit for a month
    Tequila and champagne in the same glass, kick starts any party.
  • Guy Benson @guypbenson

    WBUR poll to be released tomorrow suggests Kasich-mentum in NH may be real.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,703
    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    http://tinyurl.com/zrh6go9 as our resident astronomer what are your thoughts on this ?
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
    I see what you mean. Shocking indeed.
    I once mixed Vodka with some Moët, had a headache for a week and was over the legal limit for a month
    Well its serves you right. Disgraceful. And a waste of good champagne too.
    I also mixed Blue Aftershock with Baileys.

    It looked like paint stripper. Which was kinda ironic as I had spent the evening with some strippers.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,703

    Guy Benson @guypbenson

    WBUR poll to be released tomorrow suggests Kasich-mentum in NH may be real.

    Amazing.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,685

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
    I see what you mean. Shocking indeed.
    I once mixed Vodka with some Moët, had a headache for a week and was over the legal limit for a month
    Well its serves you right. Disgraceful. And a waste of good champagne too.
    I also mixed Blue Aftershock with Baileys.

    It looked like paint stripper. Which was kinda ironic as I had spent the evening with some strippers.
    You can do what you like to Baileys.

    I can't help feeling the law is rather more exciting in Manchester than it is in Edinburgh. Probably just as well.
  • RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Who drinks Claret these days and who calls it Claret? And don't tell me people with breeding. People with breeding drink Madeira, a nice 15 years old Bual or Verdelho.
    Really!

    "Breeding" on a thread about "poppers"!
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    MikeK said:

    matt said:

    MikeK said:

    If the DOW Jones continues to fall at at the present rate, it could lose over 1000 points by days end.
    Bear Market officially proclaimed: MSCI global stock market index hits bear market

    Is there a particular reason that you're celebrating this?
    Why on earth should you think that I'm celebrating this news? I'm simply reporting the facts. If you want to bury your little head in the sand and ignore it, thats your look-out.
    Do correct me, but I don't recall you posting rises (or indeed any other economic news).
  • Guy Benson @guypbenson

    WBUR poll to be released tomorrow suggests Kasich-mentum in NH may be real.

    Great news for Trump layers.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,703
    edited January 2016

    Guy Benson @guypbenson

    WBUR poll to be released tomorrow suggests Kasich-mentum in NH may be real.

    Great news for Trump layers.
    How :p
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Pulpstar said:

    My life has been very sheltered, so I might be completely wrong, but I thought the effect of poppers was, err, muscular, rather than psycho-active. So why would this bill apply to them?

    They make you feel slightly light headed and increase heart rate briefly.
    Like coffee?
    No. More like laxatives, but it does remarkable (good) things to one's anus, when you add in where a man's g spot is, it is a rather enjoyable experience.

    I'm not speaking from experience. I was offered them but declined. You don't put diesel in a Ferrari
    Is this site turning into some Dear Deidry place? Or is it going to return to its main purpose?
    But if you want to continue then the sad fact is that there is no G-Spot. Proven by medical science so if you can find it you are wholly remarkable.
    To argue against myself of course I would suggest that Corbyn has found the Labour Party's G-Spot. What its correct anthropological name letter or location is I would not like to suggest.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,567

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
    I'm probably misremembering, but I recall champagne + red bull was a thing at uni. Blame my drunken memory....
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,351

    Guy Benson @guypbenson

    WBUR poll to be released tomorrow suggests Kasich-mentum in NH may be real.

    But at whose expense? The ARG poll that had him in second had Rubio as the main loser. Trump and Cruz were MoE of the previous ARG.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,546
    edited January 2016
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
    I see what you mean. Shocking indeed.
    I once mixed Vodka with some Moët, had a headache for a week and was over the legal limit for a month
    Well its serves you right. Disgraceful. And a waste of good champagne too.
    I also mixed Blue Aftershock with Baileys.

    It looked like paint stripper. Which was kinda ironic as I had spent the evening with some strippers.
    You can do what you like to Baileys.

    I can't help feeling the law is rather more exciting in Manchester than it is in Edinburgh. Probably just as well.
    London was just as fun. I once took a client to Stringfellows, because they served some decent food there.

    Discussing the tort of negligence has never been so much fun, if a little distracting.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    matt said:

    MikeK said:

    matt said:

    MikeK said:

    If the DOW Jones continues to fall at at the present rate, it could lose over 1000 points by days end.
    Bear Market officially proclaimed: MSCI global stock market index hits bear market

    Is there a particular reason that you're celebrating this?
    Why on earth should you think that I'm celebrating this news? I'm simply reporting the facts. If you want to bury your little head in the sand and ignore it, thats your look-out.
    Do correct me, but I don't recall you posting rises (or indeed any other economic news).
    He only posts about death and misery.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,936
    FTSE 100 in bear market amid sharp global falls.

    Oh dear Gordo and Labour to blaim presumably
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,567
    edited January 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    http://tinyurl.com/zrh6go9 as our resident astronomer what are your thoughts on this ?
    Very interesting! Although I'm surprised our infrared satellites haven't detected it, especially if it were ten times the mass of the Earth.

    I think this is the same group who released that alien mega structure paper too. Edit: actually, maybe not!
  • Pulpstar said:

    Guy Benson @guypbenson

    WBUR poll to be released tomorrow suggests Kasich-mentum in NH may be real.

    Great news for Trump layers.
    How :p
    If Trump crashes and burns in the first few primaries/caucuses then I'm not going to the poorhouse
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,706
    Pulpstar said:



    The pound has gained lost about 8% against the Euro since November.

    Sorry I'm on the other side of this by proxy, £ gaining to 1.4 was pretty horrendous in 2015.

    It's partly a correction, though, isn't it? The £ rose against the Euro before November to the point that I started renegotiating translation contracts. Must admit I'm not trying to renegotiate them back again now :-)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,703

    Guy Benson @guypbenson

    WBUR poll to be released tomorrow suggests Kasich-mentum in NH may be real.

    But at whose expense? The ARG poll that had him in second had Rubio as the main loser. Trump and Cruz were MoE of the previous ARG.
    That's how I'm reading it too - I mean I know Rubio is very conservative a complete right wing nutjob but he looks respectable/mainstream.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,351
    Scott_P said:

    @SamCoatesTimes: This from Yvette Cooper is a significant intervention. UK declines normally to comment on Schengen as a non member https://t.co/byPXvN6AMW

    Schengen is still a red herring. The presence or otherwise of borders is making no difference to the flow of migrants as they're just being waved through bar the odd bit of paperwork.

    Unless a proper border is erected on the edge of the EU, it doesn't matter what internal borders there are or aren't; once the migrants are in Europe, it becomes the EU's problem.
  • Pulpstar said:

    My life has been very sheltered, so I might be completely wrong, but I thought the effect of poppers was, err, muscular, rather than psycho-active. So why would this bill apply to them?

    They make you feel slightly light headed and increase heart rate briefly.
    Like coffee?
    No. More like laxatives, but it does remarkable (good) things to one's anus, when you add in where a man's g spot is, it is a rather enjoyable experience.

    I'm not speaking from experience. I was offered them but declined. You don't put diesel in a Ferrari
    Is this site turning into some Dear Deidry place? Or is it going to return to its main purpose?
    But if you want to continue then the sad fact is that there is no G-Spot. Proven by medical science so if you can find it you are wholly remarkable.
    To argue against myself of course I would suggest that Corbyn has found the Labour Party's G-Spot. What its correct anthropological name letter or location is I would not like to suggest.
    We are discussing a subject discussed in The Commons today.

    Bloody relevant to PB.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,703
    edited January 2016

    Pulpstar said:

    Guy Benson @guypbenson

    WBUR poll to be released tomorrow suggests Kasich-mentum in NH may be real.

    Great news for Trump layers.
    How :p
    If Trump crashes and burns in the first few primaries/caucuses then I'm not going to the poorhouse
    Kasich's numbers are almost zero in South Carolina, he is nowhere in Iowa. I'm on him but realistically he can't win.
    What he does is most likely wreck Rubio in New Hampshire. Which is good for Trump.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,685

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
    I see what you mean. Shocking indeed.
    I once mixed Vodka with some Moët, had a headache for a week and was over the legal limit for a month
    Well its serves you right. Disgraceful. And a waste of good champagne too.
    I also mixed Blue Aftershock with Baileys.

    It looked like paint stripper. Which was kinda ironic as I had spent the evening with some strippers.
    You can do what you like to Baileys.

    I can't help feeling the law is rather more exciting in Manchester than it is in Edinburgh. Probably just as well.
    London was just as fun. I once took a client to Stringfellows, because they served some decent food there.

    Discussing the tort of negligence has never been so much fun, if a little distracting.
    I once did a VAT Tribunal on behalf of a brothel arguing about what services were, err, VATable.

    I have to say that the self employed contractor who utilised the accommodation services provide by my client came over a lot better than the HMRC Officers, a view that was confirmed in the judgment.
  • FTSE 100 in bear market amid sharp global falls.

    Oh dear Gordo and Labour to blaim presumably

    Yup. He said he abolished boom and bust.

    For shits'n'giggles Dave and George should say 'this started in America'
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,567

    FTSE 100 in bear market amid sharp global falls.

    Oh dear Gordo and Labour to blaim presumably

    If they hadn't pumped it so high in the first place... ;)
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    I think I'll stick to claret.

    Ever tried to drink claret during? ;) Red wine everywhere.
    Champagne was invented for those occasions where claret is not appropriate.
    Plus you can't mix vodka or JD with claret.
    I see what you mean. Shocking indeed.
    I once mixed Vodka with some Moët, had a headache for a week and was over the legal limit for a month
    Well its serves you right. Disgraceful. And a waste of good champagne too.
    I also mixed Blue Aftershock with Baileys.

    It looked like paint stripper. Which was kinda ironic as I had spent the evening with some strippers.
    You can do what you like to Baileys.

    I can't help feeling the law is rather more exciting in Manchester than it is in Edinburgh. Probably just as well.
    London was just as fun. I once took a client to Stringfellows, because they served some decent food there.

    Discussing the tort of negligence has never been so much fun, if a little distracting.
    I once did a VAT Tribunal on behalf of a brothel arguing about what services were, err, VATable.

    I have to say that the self employed contractor who utilised the accommodation services provide by my client came over a lot better than the HMRC Officers, a view that was confirmed in the judgment.
    Came over a lot better fnarr fnarr
  • Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Guy Benson @guypbenson

    WBUR poll to be released tomorrow suggests Kasich-mentum in NH may be real.

    Great news for Trump layers.
    How :p
    If Trump crashes and burns in the first few primaries/caucuses then I'm not going to the poorhouse
    Kasich's numbers are almost zero in South Carolina, he is nowhere in Iowa. I'm on him but realistically he can't win.
    What he does is most likely wreck Rubio in New Hampshire. Which is good for Trump.
    I know but I need some straws to grasp.
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