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Twenty-five years ago today Lady Thatcher announced her decision to resign as Prime Minister, but if the parliamentary Tory party had followed the polling then her successor would not have been John Major but Michael Heseltine. The above polling was not atypical of the time, Michael Heseltine was seen as the best person to revive the Tory party’s electoral fortunes.
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A very important observation! Thank goodness it's the Tory Party that "only ever panics in a crisis" and Labour are made of sterner stuff. Like all true revolutionaries the Corbynites are taking the long view and must first transform the Labour Party - rooting out the traitorous pig dogs (that's Tory to UKIP surely - ed.?) in the HoC who are only interested in winning elections securing salubrious sinecures to maintain their bourgeois life styles - keep the faith Corbynites! You know it makes sense, in theory (if not in practice - another bourgeois distraction)!
Very anti EU piece from the telegraph, the comments are interesting.
At best he was a useful puppet, filling the seats of real politicians who had resigned offering not much himself.
As it turned out, that was his premiership.
Good article, Mr. Eagles. I've long said Boris has no chance because the PCP won't let him get into the final two.
The cinema chain doesn't want to offend. I'm a little puzzled who might be offended by a recitation. Obviously no Christian, and Christ is a prophet in Islam. I'd guess atheists might be bored but who else?
Isn't "offended" being used as a default setting now. "Inappropriate" is the word used when the speaker dislikes something, but "offended" is taking over.
Are they worried that Muslims may want to advertise? If so, they're showing an amazing ignorance.
As ever, the key to this will be the unions. Unlike most £3ers they have plenty to lose if the Tories stay in power. At some stage they will realise this and the pressure they can put JC and his mates under will be significant and very hard to dismiss.
Do we have a date when that's to be discussed?
Not necessarily inaccurate, but franker than I expected.
http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/11/20/labour-centrists-should-not-abandon-ship-on-account-of-the-captain/
Former Labour leader Ed Miliband has broken his silence over his successor Jeremy Corbyn – and suggested he was turning out to be an even bigger flop than he was.
Mr Miliband had stayed tight-lipped about Mr Corbyn’s disastrous performance, but last week, he astonished a group of Labour MPs by telling them: ‘I bet you didn’t think things would actually get worse.’
Now Mr Corbyn’s frontbench critics are plotting a coup if Labour loses the Oldham West by-election in ten days’ time.
If their 14,738 majority is overturned by Ukip, they plan to table a no-confidence vote among Labour MPs and mount a mass resignation of Shadow Ministers to force the leader out, with Shadow Foreign Secretary Hilary Benn tipped as the favourite interim leader.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3328876/Ed-Miliband-breaks-silence-Jeremy-Corbyn-telling-MPs-bet-didn-t-think-things-actually-worse.html#ixzz3sCtO5tQx
"We're right behind you..."
https://mobile.twitter.com/JeremyCorbyn4PM/status/668210002327400448
http://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandculture/article/28512/1/anonymous-are-apparently-rickrolling-isis
This has killed Schengen. When the very heart of the EU is on lock down, streets cleared and borders closed it really is all over. It will take a very brave politician or leader to go back to how it once was without being monstered for putting its citizens at risk. Given Schengen is one of the corner stones then we really are on a sea change that potentially may make our referendum irrelevant after all. Never underestimate the EU unelected's stupidity though not to make the attempt.
The Slightly silly party, (centre left) the very silly party (left of centre left) and the extremely silly party (Corbynistas and associated nutters)
Heart of stone and all that.
Cameron's negotiations may never take place
Today is the day the leader resigns. Statement expected 9.30am @majorsrise
I was at the Yvonne Arnaud Theatre in Guildford last night watching a performance of Agatha Christie's "A Murder is Announced".. It seems to me that Labour need to do something akin to this (in political terms) given the polling I have just seen on the previous thread. I don't trust any poll, but this latest poll must make Labour MP's shudder.
Quite possibly. Never had much faith in either them producing a satisfactory outcome anyway. The project must go on and all that. We are deluding ourselves if we ever considered it to be otherwise.
If my FB feed before the GE was anything to go by, then Miliband's Labour would have swept to a landslide greater than Blair's in 1997. And it was relentlessly negative: not promoting their own ideas, but trashing the hated, evil Conservatives.
And it didn't work. Sadly, some are still posting the same stuff. They're intelligent, and they know it doesn't work, so it can only be virtue signalling. ("I'm Labour! I care! I'm good! Tories smell!")
Some lefties think it's impossible for someone on the right to have friends on the left. It's no wonder they lose - they're in one big circle-jerk where other views are verboten.
Much more likely that they leave it until more losses have occurred in the Council elections, they need Corbyn to be less popular with the membership before trying to topple him.
The danger with that is that the MPs themselves could be deselected in the meantime. Tricky times to be a centrist Labour MP!
We do see the latter on here on Tory heavy days, as I'm sure the labour fans would agree.
Events are dictating that they won't have the time to sit down and discuss Cameron's "demands", by which time the EU will in effect have imploded. Cameron's last resort was to say we need to be in the EU for security reasons, that has been proven to be ridiculous beyond parody.
Schengen has provision for suspension in times of emergency.
Cameron is a very lucky politician. Never has there been a better time for reformation of the EU treaties to include border controls and settlemen rights. Even the delay to 2017 for a referendum caused by the Lords vote may play into his hands by giving a chance for such negotiations to happen.
1) Recommend In anyway. Probably the likeliest, but makes the concept of negotiation a sham as he wants in without any changes.
2) Recommend Out. The PCP would love him forever, but Cameron is pro-EU.
3) Delay. Ostensibly sensible, except that the PCP might well decide it would be an optimal moment to instruct the Labour Party in how to defenestrate a displeasing leader.
On reflection a Labour split is realistically now inevitable. The two sides could never now meet and agree.
As Dair said last night. labours done ........"stick a pin in it"
"With the quasi-AV voting system the Tory party currently uses to select their leader, you can see a Stop-X candidate doing very well in the forthcoming Tory leadership contest."
And no one has discussed that part of the thread.
Cameron is a very lucky politician. Never has there been a better time for reformation of the EU treaties to include border controls and settlemen rights. Even the delay to 2017 for a referendum caused by the Lords vote may play into his hands by giving a chance for such negotiations to happen.
It does. My point was it will be a brave politician to reinstate it.
The Conservatives may be about to learn that lesson yet again ...
Anyway, back to Fallout4 - damn work getting in the way meant I only managed something like 15 hours on it this week!
"To quote Tracy Chapman, if not now, then when? If not today, then why make your promises"
or even Tracy Emin....
"All the mistakes I've ever made in my life have been when I've been drunk. I haven't made hardly any mistakes sober, ever, ever."
The Conservative leadership contests do not seem to favour mavericks. George vs one other. He would beat May, but may struggle against Hammond or Paterson.
I'm sorry, but that's utter tosh.
Firstly, Schengen includes a whole bunch of non-EU countries, such as Switzerland.
Secondly, Brussels being locked down has nothing to do with Schengen. If we had a lock down in - say - Tower Hamlets, would that mean the UK was dead?
Wake me up when a non-EU country votes to leave Schengen.
@DPJHodges: .@PaulFlynnMP Agreed. It's a disgrace the way the BBC keep filming Jeremy Corbyn and putting his comments on air for people to see.
Biggest Con lead in while in govt since Jan 1991. Tied with Jun ComRes for worst Lab % in opposition since Sep 1983. https://t.co/aMgSIxyYXt
In the sense that only a politician with a tin ear would realise this was not the time, and that the public would interpret this literally as meaning no terrorists should ever be shot, even while firing their own guns into crowded bars and concerts, Hodges is right that Corbyn is a total muppet.
Made the mistake of commenting "it's cold in London" to Northern friend. Got this back. https://t.co/p19yeoXSBV
Here is the NPI....
Firstly, Schengen includes a whole bunch of non-EU countries, such as Switzerland.
Secondly, Brussels being locked down has nothing to do with Schengen. If we had a lock down in - say - Tower Hamlets, would that mean the UK was dead?
Wake me up when a non-EU country votes to leave Schengen.
Is it?
I would agree if just Tower Hamlets had put up border controls. You conveniently ignore the fact that the last time I looked it was Sweden to Greece, UK (always had them) to the borders of Russia. Belgium is in lockdown and Brussels the heart of the EU is paralysed.
Sorry no , I know you are an ardent EU fan but you are the one speaking "utter tosh"
"Human instinct. We always wish to put off that inevitable visit to the dentist to deal with the niggly tooth. Perhaps another aspirin will do the trick, mouthwash yeah that will stop the pain..... It does, briefly but then it's back and it's worse. Extraction or root canal the only long term answer.
On reflection a Labour split is realistically now inevitable. The two sides could never now meet and agree. "
As Dylan Thomas said "Oh, isn't life a terrible thing, thank God?”
I would agree if just Tower Hamlets had put up border controls. You conveniently ignore the fact that the last time I looked it was Sweden to Greece, UK (always had them) to the borders of Russia. Belgium is in lockdown and Brussels the heart of the EU is paralysed.
Sorry no , I know you are an ardent EU fan but you are the one speaking "utter tosh"
Um. Outside of Kipperdom Robert is about as far from an ardent EU fan as it is possible to get. The only point on which I have seen he he disagrees with most Outers is the question of free movement.
Do not confuse Robert with his Dad. They are very different beasts when it comes to politics from what I have seen on here.
Oh... You meant Osborne ...
It is how and when he says it.
You need to have a political antenna. All his political life he didn't need to as his supporters heard what they wanted to. To others he was a far flung loony. Rather unfair but that was how he was treated.
On bombing, I am still not convinced what it will actually achieve. Is it only about Britain's face ? Surely the number of bombs and missile strikes today compared to two months ago far exceeds what Britain would do. It will be tokenistic so that Britain does not look smaller than France when France - Britain summit takes.
Clearly Britain has a self-esteem problem.
Do you think Merkel gives a shit that she does not have these toys ? Britain still hankers after being a world power 70 years after giving up the Empire and not realising that it is a small island on the edge of Europe.
Will us bombing them first stop them ? You don't need to look too far. Hollande wanted to act like Bonaparte to increase his poll ratings. He has been at them for more than a year. What has it stopped ?