Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Donald Brind wonders whether Mr. Corbyn really wants to be

SystemSystem Posts: 12,221
edited November 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Donald Brind wonders whether Mr. Corbyn really wants to be PM

I was rather excited by the recent launch of BBC Store which opens up, for sale and download, a treasure trove programmes dating back to the fifties. My first foray was, however, unsuccessful. I got the message  “Unfortunately, your search didn’t return any results. The title may not be on BBC Store yet.

Read the full story here


«13

Comments

  • ... we were all young once..

    except tory mp's
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175
    And so ends this week's PPB for the LP on PB.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Interesting article, I think Corbyn's comments today show he is as much interested in an ideal world as the real one.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040
    You know, there is just a glimmer of a doubt creeping in here.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited November 2015
    Re the YouGov gamble question and the idiocy of Cash Outs, I must admit to taking bad, very bad, value on a bet last week

    I was trying a little betting system and backed 5 matches in "Both Team To Score" 4folds and an acca

    They all copped, but when I looked at the slip I had put one of next weeks games in by accident

    I priced up the game and made my existing bet value (I made it 1.8 and it was 1.9) but having thought I had already copped the lot, I couldn't face it losing and made sure I would get some compensation/reward whatever by backing what I made a 2.25 shot at 1.9

    It was Newcastle vs Stoke BTTS NO and ended 0-0 #cowardice
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    taffys said:

    Interesting article, I think Corbyn's comments today show he is as much interested in an ideal world as the real one.

    He's more interested in the middle east than middle England.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,062
    The fact Corbyn's supporters are praying for a recession as his only chance of victory show that he is clearly unsuited to be PM whether he wants it or not. Potential PMs should offer a positive and optimistic message
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    HYUFD said:

    The fact Corbyn's supporters are praying for a recession as his only chance of victory show that he is clearly unsuited to be PM whether he wants it or not. Potential PMs should offer a positive and optimistic message

    This is a common feature of being in an opposition. Nothing made a Tory MP feel more glum than a further quarter of sustained economic growth under Labour....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,140
    edited November 2015
    There's got to be a reasonable chance of another crash. We are certainly due a recession and I'm not that convinced that much has actually changed at investment banks, but I'm no expert.

    However, can it be assumed that a recession-weary public will gratefully throw its lot in with Corbyn? I doubt it. They will cling to nurse.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited November 2015
    Friday afternoon's come round so quickly... "David Cameron isn't very good at his day job"

    Yeah right.
  • Maybe stating the obvious here but in the event that this hypothetical crash happened, I somehow can't see British voters entrusting Jeremy Corbyn with the task of steering them through it.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    @Richard_Nabavi's comment about him being more interested in oppressed Yemeni sex workers was spot on.
    chestnut said:

    taffys said:

    Interesting article, I think Corbyn's comments today show he is as much interested in an ideal world as the real one.

    He's more interested in the middle east than middle England.

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175
    HYUFD said:

    The fact Corbyn's supporters are praying for a recession as his only chance of victory show that he is clearly unsuited to be PM whether he wants it or not. Potential PMs should offer a positive and optimistic message

    Indeed - anyone remember the 5m unemployed claim about the last govt? 24 hours to save the NHS? Absolutely no message/hint/plan/strategy about a programme for government.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Friday afternoon's come round so quickly... "David Cameron isn't very good at his day job"

    Yeah right.

    Is it not a bit unusual for a PM to actually gain seats and votes from one election to another?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040
    notme said:

    HYUFD said:

    The fact Corbyn's supporters are praying for a recession as his only chance of victory show that he is clearly unsuited to be PM whether he wants it or not. Potential PMs should offer a positive and optimistic message

    This is a common feature of being in an opposition. Nothing made a Tory MP feel more glum than a further quarter of sustained economic growth under Labour....
    A Gordon Brown budget with full tractor statistics?

    But yes. It is the nature of politics. You inevitably believe you are right and that the other side is wrong and that you would do a much better job. It must be frustrating when things seem to go quite well for them.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited November 2015
    Well quite. And see off so many opponents, and be more popular than his Party...and apparently a trusted voice in the EU ref by many voters and...

    I scanned as far as Gizzajob and groaned. Fatcher indeed.
    notme said:

    Friday afternoon's come round so quickly... "David Cameron isn't very good at his day job"

    Yeah right.

    Is it not a bit unusual for a PM to actually gain seats and votes from one election to another?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040
    edited November 2015
    Joe Root has faced 43 balls and is yet to score a boundary. With the fire power to come and 17 overs left he really needs to get on with it. His scoring rate is respectable but it is not taking advantage of the situation.

    Edit. Hah! a 4!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @MattHartley100: Is there any national security issue that Jeremy Corbyn isn't on the wrong side of? https://t.co/BuidtW0agI #JihadiJohn
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @IanAustinMP: How do people who think Emwazi should have been put on trial think this could have happened & how many others would he kill in the meantime?
  • Alistair said:

    Which gamble would PBers go for? I went option 4

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/665141539774078976

    Gamble No 5, shirley?
    I used to do these as a student in Oxford, you got paid real money albeit small amounts.

    Some questions would have options straight worse than the others; others would (I assume) effectively test risk appetitite. I guess you could then look at how people's risk appetites vary.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @cardifflegend: @DPJHodges @oliellis89 Also funny how people who claim glorifying death is wrong took to the streets in celebration when Thatcher croaked
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,062
    notme said:

    HYUFD said:

    The fact Corbyn's supporters are praying for a recession as his only chance of victory show that he is clearly unsuited to be PM whether he wants it or not. Potential PMs should offer a positive and optimistic message

    This is a common feature of being in an opposition. Nothing made a Tory MP feel more glum than a further quarter of sustained economic growth under Labour....
    Yes but winning party leaders e.g. Cameron and Blair always project a sunnier vision
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Scott_P said:

    @cardifflegend: @DPJHodges @oliellis89 Also funny how people who claim glorifying death is wrong took to the streets in celebration when Thatcher croaked

    Strange that they chose "croaked"
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,062
    felix said:

    HYUFD said:

    The fact Corbyn's supporters are praying for a recession as his only chance of victory show that he is clearly unsuited to be PM whether he wants it or not. Potential PMs should offer a positive and optimistic message

    Indeed - anyone remember the 5m unemployed claim about the last govt? 24 hours to save the NHS? Absolutely no message/hint/plan/strategy about a programme for government.
    Agreed Labour is still clearly not ready for government under its present leadership
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: If the Labour Party leader can't welcome the death of a sadist like Jihadi John then it's time for Labour to pack up and go home.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,915

    @Richard_Nabavi's comment about him being more interested in oppressed Yemeni sex workers was spot on.

    chestnut said:

    taffys said:

    Interesting article, I think Corbyn's comments today show he is as much interested in an ideal world as the real one.

    He's more interested in the middle east than middle England.

    An unusual criticism to make considering our own Government has ring-fenced a ridiculously spendthrift foreign aid budget and is currently engaging our hollowed out armed services in a fruitless bombing campaign in the Middle East that it wishes to extend into another country.
  • chestnut said:

    taffys said:

    Interesting article, I think Corbyn's comments today show he is as much interested in an ideal world as the real one.

    He's more interested in the middle east than middle England.

    More Hamas than houmous.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @carlgardner: Seriously, those who say “Emwazi should have been put on trial” need to tell us if they support a policy of targeted abduction & rendition.

    @mrdavidwhitley: Really enjoying all these detailed, plausible plans on how you would have captured Mohammed Emwazi then put him on trial.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,269
    Another day, another round of job losses on Teesside. Today it is Tata saying their Long Products division will close if they can't sell it.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DPJHodges: Corbyn and other Labour spokesman now have to answer question "would you have authorised drone strike that killed Jihadi John".
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    felix said:

    HYUFD said:

    The fact Corbyn's supporters are praying for a recession as his only chance of victory show that he is clearly unsuited to be PM whether he wants it or not. Potential PMs should offer a positive and optimistic message

    Indeed - anyone remember the 5m unemployed claim about the last govt? 24 hours to save the NHS? Absolutely no message/hint/plan/strategy about a programme for government.
    This was exactly what Dan Hodges kept on repeatedly going on about. You need to present yourself as a government in waiting, and that required consistency and confidence. Individual wins are good and get you noticed, but you need to offer more. Ed Miliband did have a fair few good wins, but he completely failed to string together something that looked like a winning strategy.

    You can be against all kind of things, but you lose credibility if you attack difficult decisions but offer none back. Our local labour PPC seemed to manage to squeeze bedroom tax and zero hours contracts into any discussion, to begin with she also talked about freezing energy prices, but stopped firing that one. It was relentless. She thought that by picking these small number of issues, that she felt her position was widely supported and it would be enough.

    When asked more nuanced questions about she will improve XYZ while being committed to cutting the deficit in the same way the Conservatives are, she would just fall back on bankers bonuses and foodbanks. Like a deer in the headlights.

    Time after time, Labour failed to offer a reason why they would be better custodians. In fact it seemed sometimes that the entire bandwagon was only being kept on the show by Ed Balls.

    There is no Ed Balls character in the shadow cabinet now. Is there any possible spending request (other than Trident) that Mcdonnell would be able to say no to? Its going to get ugly if they keep on committing to undo changes brought in by the government.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175

    @Richard_Nabavi's comment about him being more interested in oppressed Yemeni sex workers was spot on.

    chestnut said:

    taffys said:

    Interesting article, I think Corbyn's comments today show he is as much interested in an ideal world as the real one.

    He's more interested in the middle east than middle England.

    An unusual criticism to make considering our own Government has ring-fenced a ridiculously spendthrift foreign aid budget and is currently engaging our hollowed out armed services in a fruitless bombing campaign in the Middle East that it wishes to extend into another country.
    Death of Jihadi John fruitless...it's a view...
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Corbyn and other Labour spokesman now have to answer question "would you have authorised drone strike that killed Jihadi John".

    Basing your solution in the realms of fantasy means you don't have to offend any key voter groups in Oldham.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited November 2015
    That's very true.
    notme said:

    Time after time, Labour failed to offer a reason why they would be better custodians. In fact it seemed sometimes that the entire bandwagon was only being kept on the show by Ed Balls.

    There is no Ed Balls character in the shadow cabinet now. Is there any possible spending request (other than Trident) that Mcdonnell would be able to say no to? Its going to get ugly if they keep on committing to undo changes brought in by the government.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    taffys said:

    Basing your solution in the realms of fantasy means you don't have to offend any key voter groups in Oldham.

    @Conorpope: As wishful thinking is currently acceptable foreign policy, let me say: I think it would have been better if Emwazi hadn't beheaded anyone.
  • felix said:

    @Richard_Nabavi's comment about him being more interested in oppressed Yemeni sex workers was spot on.

    chestnut said:

    taffys said:

    Interesting article, I think Corbyn's comments today show he is as much interested in an ideal world as the real one.

    He's more interested in the middle east than middle England.

    An unusual criticism to make considering our own Government has ring-fenced a ridiculously spendthrift foreign aid budget and is currently engaging our hollowed out armed services in a fruitless bombing campaign in the Middle East that it wishes to extend into another country.
    Death of Jihadi John fruitless...it's a view...
    And our defences are not hollowed out. We have long since left Basra and we have also left Helmand.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Of course Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to be Prime Minister. He would be organising his life and his party efficiently and properly if that was what he wanted.

    Nor does he want to be Leader of the Labour Party. He wanted to be a candidate in the leadership election, in the expectation that he didn't have a chance of winning. He volunteered to be the candidate for the left-wing faction, essentially on the basis of buggins' turn because Diane Abbott did it last time.

    The possibility that the party members would be idiotic enough actually to elect him as leader was such a remote possibility that nobody bothered to worry about it until it actually happened.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Mr Brind makes a great play over Mr Fisher's youthfulness. Sometimes people get appointed to positions much too early, I think. Just how old is Mr Fisher?
  • My view is that Jeremy Corbyn's priority is organising the Labour party to cement his wing's grip over it. Getting leadership of the country is the priority after that one, and not necessarily to be fulfilled by him.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,685
    edited November 2015
    @LuckyGuy1983

    Just a quick thought on Greece (as you're here).

    I think the Greek people fall into two categories: those with savings, and those without.

    Any exit of the Euro would mean a massive devaluation of the Drachma against the Euro. This would be excellent for the have-nots, as it would improve the competitive position of the Greek economy and make holidays much cheaper than they might have been. This would almost certainly flow through into higher employment in relatively short order.

    But such a devaluation means dramatically lowering the real value of people's savings. The costs of devaluation are born entirely by savers. (These people complain: hey, I've been thrifty and done what I supposed to do, so why should I be the one to pay?.)

    The former group would like to leave the Euro and would be the biggest beneficiaries. The latter group would like to stay in, as it keeps the purchasing power of their savings intact.

    Perhaps the best way forward would have been for the first group to recognise that it was the second group that would suffer in the event of exiting the Euro. Perhaps the government could have created some kind of "saving adjusment bond" that paid out 50% of the effective depreciation. Sure, it would have added to Greece's debt, but it would have made Euro exit a lot more palatable to the older group.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    PClipp said:

    Just how old is Mr Fisher?

    Emotionally, he appears to be about 6
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175
    PClipp said:

    Mr Brind makes a great play over Mr Fisher's youthfulness. Sometimes people get appointed to positions much too early, I think. Just how old is Mr Fisher?

    Clegg? Farron?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    He was born in 1980 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher_(Labour_activist)
    PClipp said:

    Mr Brind makes a great play over Mr Fisher's youthfulness. Sometimes people get appointed to positions much too early, I think. Just how old is Mr Fisher?

  • felix said:

    @Richard_Nabavi's comment about him being more interested in oppressed Yemeni sex workers was spot on.

    chestnut said:

    taffys said:

    Interesting article, I think Corbyn's comments today show he is as much interested in an ideal world as the real one.

    He's more interested in the middle east than middle England.

    An unusual criticism to make considering our own Government has ring-fenced a ridiculously spendthrift foreign aid budget and is currently engaging our hollowed out armed services in a fruitless bombing campaign in the Middle East that it wishes to extend into another country.
    Death of Jihadi John fruitless...it's a view...
    it's not actually going to change much tho is it? plenty of other mentalists to take his executioners job
  • Another unhappy Labour MP has gone on the record:

    The World at One ‏@BBCWorldatOne · 9m9 minutes ago
    .@GrahamJones_MP: Andrew Fisher "exceedingly disloyal and exceedingly discourteous to some senior members of the Labour Party" #wato

    The World at One ‏@BBCWorldatOne · 8m8 minutes ago
    .@GrahamJones_MP: "In an ideal world Andrew Fisher shouldn't really be in the Leader's office" #wato http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06nrzr3

    The World at One ‏@BBCWorldatOne · 5m5 minutes ago
    .@GrahamJones_MP: Labour needs to be "fiscally more responsible" and "stop turning our back on the debate on immigration" #wato
  • He was born in 1980 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher_(Labour_activist)

    PClipp said:

    Mr Brind makes a great play over Mr Fisher's youthfulness. Sometimes people get appointed to positions much too early, I think. Just how old is Mr Fisher?

    The best year to be born in. This revelation notwithstanding.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    FTP.
    Once upon a time, there was a safe welfare state called Sweden, where people rarely locked their doors.

    Now, this country is a night-watchman state -- each man is on his own. When the Minister of Justice, Morgan Johansson, encourages breaking the law, it means opening the gates to anarchy. Mr. and Mrs. Swede have every reason to be worried, with the influx of 190,000 unskilled and unemployed migrants expected this year -- equivalent to 2% of Sweden's current population. The number is as if 6.4 million penniless migrants who did not speak English arrived in U.S. in one year, or 1.3 million in Britain.

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6865/sweden-anarchy

    We are seeing civilization as we in Europe know it start to disintegrate, "before our very eyes" as that old comic Arthur Askey was prone to say.
  • He was born in 1980 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher_(Labour_activist)

    PClipp said:

    Mr Brind makes a great play over Mr Fisher's youthfulness. Sometimes people get appointed to positions much too early, I think. Just how old is Mr Fisher?

    The best year to be born in. This revelation notwithstanding.
    Nah, terrible vintage throughout Europe.

    1953, on the other hand...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    There must be no disloyalty to Corbyn in public...

    @IanAustinMP: How do people who think Emwazi should have been put on trial think this could have happened & how many others would he kill in the meantime?

    @Tom_Seagul: @chrisdeerin @IanAustinMP ask your boss Ian....

    @IanAustinMP: @Tom_Seagul @chrisdeerin My boss? That would be people in Dudley and I reckon the vast majority of them would agree with me!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,536

    @Richard_Nabavi's comment about him being more interested in oppressed Yemeni sex workers was spot on.

    chestnut said:

    taffys said:

    Interesting article, I think Corbyn's comments today show he is as much interested in an ideal world as the real one.

    He's more interested in the middle east than middle England.

    An unusual criticism to make considering our own Government has ring-fenced a ridiculously spendthrift foreign aid budget and is currently engaging our hollowed out armed services in a fruitless bombing campaign in the Middle East that it wishes to extend into another country.
    Your view appears to be:

    Russian bombing in support of Syria (which they wish to extend into Iraq): good and hopeful.

    US/UK bombing in support of Iraq (which the UK wish to extend into Syria): bad and fruitless.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tnewtondunn: Not one word of praise or thx for intel agencies/UK forces on #JihadiJohn, from the man who wants to command them; https://t.co/AmWJaemIiu
  • He was born in 1980 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher_(Labour_activist)

    PClipp said:

    Mr Brind makes a great play over Mr Fisher's youthfulness. Sometimes people get appointed to positions much too early, I think. Just how old is Mr Fisher?

    The best year to be born in. This revelation notwithstanding.
    Nah, terrible vintage throughout Europe.

    1953, on the other hand...
    Not so bad, as my father would agree. My birthdate happens to be 9-and-a-bit months after Mrs T's victory, as my best man pointed out to general amusement/horror.
  • Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Corbyn and other Labour spokesman now have to answer question "would you have authorised drone strike that killed Jihadi John".

    Does the British Prime Minister now control United States' armed forces? Has anyone told Donald Trump?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    This is a gift to sensible Labour MPs, they couldn't ask for much more on Friday 13th!
    Scott_P said:

    There must be no disloyalty to Corbyn in public...

    @IanAustinMP: How do people who think Emwazi should have been put on trial think this could have happened & how many others would he kill in the meantime?

    @Tom_Seagul: @chrisdeerin @IanAustinMP ask your boss Ian....

    @IanAustinMP: @Tom_Seagul @chrisdeerin My boss? That would be people in Dudley and I reckon the vast majority of them would agree with me!

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :lol:

    He was born in 1980 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher_(Labour_activist)

    PClipp said:

    Mr Brind makes a great play over Mr Fisher's youthfulness. Sometimes people get appointed to positions much too early, I think. Just how old is Mr Fisher?

    The best year to be born in. This revelation notwithstanding.
    Nah, terrible vintage throughout Europe.

    1953, on the other hand...
    Not so bad, as my father would agree. My birthdate happens to be 9-and-a-bit months after Mrs T's victory, as my best man pointed out to general amusement/horror.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,572
    edited November 2015
    DavidL said:

    You know, there is just a glimmer of a doubt creeping in here.

    Don wasn't a Jeremy supporter, though the weekly gnashing of teeth here when he writes might have led you to suppose otherwise. I note that they've fallen silent now he's written a mildly critical column.

    rcs: rationally, I'm sure you're right about Greeks' personal interest in the Euro/drachma. But my impression is that these considerations are completely swamped by an emotional view that joining the Euro meant "we're now a member of the European club", and that it's that rather than economic issues that made leaving the Euro an untouchable issue even for a movement like Syriza (which is unlikely to have an army of big savers in their ranks).

    It's the converse of the view among Eurosceptics (which probably extend to one G. Brown) that joining the Euro would be bad even if it was economically desirable.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,346
    "We were young once". Come off it Mr Brind. What Fisher did in relation to Emily Benn (declaration of interest here: I know and like her) didn't happen years ago. It happened 5 months ago.

    I will repost what I put on the previous thread as it's more relevant to this one.

    Fisher was not simply being "critical of Labour". He was actively saying that people should not vote for the Labour candidate. He was saying violent and crude things about Labour people. Now Corbyn can't change what happened in the past. But it is perfectly legitimate to question his judgment in appointing him and in continuing to support him even after he has been suspended. What a person has said and done in the recent past does have a bearing on the sort of person they are now and on whether they are fit and proper to be a senior advisor within Labour. And Corbyn's choice of him shows that he places - whatever he may say - little value on decent behaviour. It shows poor judgment on his part.

    I don't know whether Corbyn wants to be PM. I don't care. I most certainly don't want him to be PM. And unless Labour comes to its senses I will be doing my level best to ensure that come 2010 or whenever the election is held he does not become PM.

  • Scott_P said:

    @MattHartley100: Is there any national security issue that Jeremy Corbyn isn't on the wrong side of? https://t.co/BuidtW0agI #JihadiJohn

    Probably not.
    It's pathetic and laughable that he has to say 'it could have been far better for us all' if he could have been arrested. What a joker, how does he expect someone to risk their life arresting the toerag anyway? A classic example of how unsuited he is to leadership. Either that or he is an aech dissembler, wanting his cake and eating it too.
  • He was born in 1980 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher_(Labour_activist)

    PClipp said:

    Mr Brind makes a great play over Mr Fisher's youthfulness. Sometimes people get appointed to positions much too early, I think. Just how old is Mr Fisher?

    The best year to be born in. This revelation notwithstanding.
    I'm five years older than you - cripes, I'll be 40 next week!!!

    :depressed face:
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Looking at last night's results, Corbyn isn't winning people over. Shropshire vote down by 29%, in Dorset a Labour ward is lost to Greens & third behind Tories.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    JohnLoony said:

    Of course Jeremy Corbyn doesn't want to be Prime Minister. He would be organising his life and his party efficiently and properly if that was what he wanted.

    Nor does he want to be Leader of the Labour Party. He wanted to be a candidate in the leadership election, in the expectation that he didn't have a chance of winning. He volunteered to be the candidate for the left-wing faction, essentially on the basis of buggins' turn because Diane Abbott did it last time.

    The possibility that the party members would be idiotic enough actually to elect him as leader was such a remote possibility that nobody bothered to worry about it until it actually happened.

    I do think there are the makings of a rather good Greek tragedy in Corbyn's rise...
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,536

    DavidL said:

    You know, there is just a glimmer of a doubt creeping in here.

    Don wasn't a Jeremy supporter, though the weekly gnashing of teeth here when he writes might have led you to suppose otherwise. I note that they've fallen silent now he's written a mildly critical column.

    rcs: rationally, I'm sure you're right about Greeks' personal interest in the Euro/drachma. But my impression is that these considerations are completely swamped by an emotional view that joining the Euro meant "we're now a member of the European club", and that it's that rather than economic issues that made leaving the Euro an untouchable issue even for a movement like Syriza (which is unlikely to have an army of big savers in their ranks).
    My complaints about Don's articles were nothing to do about him being a Corbyn support or not: it'd be good to get well-written and articulate posts above the line from such supporters.

    My complaints were about several posts which were poorly written and based on ridiculous arguments.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Good question and the answer is Corbio wearing a big Stetson and waving his revolver, having put his anti atom bomb badge, being parachuted into Syria.

    Corbyns dream of single handedly capturing Jihadi Jim.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I'd happily read a thread header by @SandyRentool as a long standing poster and Corbyn man. His comments about Teeside woes re industry/Nothern Powerhouse would be a great read.

    I object to Labour PPB puffery.

    DavidL said:

    You know, there is just a glimmer of a doubt creeping in here.

    Don wasn't a Jeremy supporter, though the weekly gnashing of teeth here when he writes might have led you to suppose otherwise. I note that they've fallen silent now he's written a mildly critical column.

    rcs: rationally, I'm sure you're right about Greeks' personal interest in the Euro/drachma. But my impression is that these considerations are completely swamped by an emotional view that joining the Euro meant "we're now a member of the European club", and that it's that rather than economic issues that made leaving the Euro an untouchable issue even for a movement like Syriza (which is unlikely to have an army of big savers in their ranks).
    My complaints about Don's articles were nothing to do about him being a Corbyn support or not: it'd be good to get well-written and articulate posts above the line from such supporters.

    My complaints were about several posts which were poorly written and based on ridiculous arguments.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    PClipp said:

    Mr Brind makes a great play over Mr Fisher's youthfulness. Sometimes people get appointed to positions much too early, I think. Just how old is Mr Fisher?

    Old enough to know better. 35-36. Hardly wet-behind-the-ears youth.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I think the odds of Jezza wearing a Stetson are vanishingly small...
    MikeK said:

    Good question and the answer is Corbio wearing a big Stetson and waving his revolver, having put his anti atom bomb badge, being parachuted into Syria.

    Corbyns dream of single handedly capturing Jihadi Jim.

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175

    felix said:

    @Richard_Nabavi's comment about him being more interested in oppressed Yemeni sex workers was spot on.

    chestnut said:

    taffys said:

    Interesting article, I think Corbyn's comments today show he is as much interested in an ideal world as the real one.

    He's more interested in the middle east than middle England.

    An unusual criticism to make considering our own Government has ring-fenced a ridiculously spendthrift foreign aid budget and is currently engaging our hollowed out armed services in a fruitless bombing campaign in the Middle East that it wishes to extend into another country.
    Death of Jihadi John fruitless...it's a view...
    it's not actually going to change much tho is it? plenty of other mentalists to take his executioners job
    Missing the point - deliberately?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Cyclefree said:

    "We were young once". Come off it Mr Brind. What Fisher did in relation to Emily Benn (declaration of interest here: I know and like her) didn't happen years ago. It happened 5 months ago.

    I will repost what I put on the previous thread as it's more relevant to this one.

    Fisher was not simply being "critical of Labour". He was actively saying that people should not vote for the Labour candidate. He was saying violent and crude things about Labour people. Now Corbyn can't change what happened in the past. But it is perfectly legitimate to question his judgment in appointing him and in continuing to support him even after he has been suspended. What a person has said and done in the recent past does have a bearing on the sort of person they are now and on whether they are fit and proper to be a senior advisor within Labour. And Corbyn's choice of him shows that he places - whatever he may say - little value on decent behaviour. It shows poor judgment on his part.

    I don't know whether Corbyn wants to be PM. I don't care. I most certainly don't want him to be PM. And unless Labour comes to its senses I will be doing my level best to ensure that come 2010 or whenever the election is held he does not become PM.

    Cyclefree, read your posts yesterday rather too late to comment on those threads. Hope all comes back well on the medical side. My wife is just going through that too now - positive for early stage - so I well understand the stress. Good luck.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,269

    I'd happily read a thread header by @SandyRentool as a long standing poster and Corbyn man. His comments about Teeside woes re industry/Nothern Powerhouse would be a great read.

    I object to Labour PPB puffery.

    DavidL said:

    You know, there is just a glimmer of a doubt creeping in here.

    Don wasn't a Jeremy supporter, though the weekly gnashing of teeth here when he writes might have led you to suppose otherwise. I note that they've fallen silent now he's written a mildly critical column.

    rcs: rationally, I'm sure you're right about Greeks' personal interest in the Euro/drachma. But my impression is that these considerations are completely swamped by an emotional view that joining the Euro meant "we're now a member of the European club", and that it's that rather than economic issues that made leaving the Euro an untouchable issue even for a movement like Syriza (which is unlikely to have an army of big savers in their ranks).
    My complaints about Don's articles were nothing to do about him being a Corbyn support or not: it'd be good to get well-written and articulate posts above the line from such supporters.

    My complaints were about several posts which were poorly written and based on ridiculous arguments.
    PB Geordie mafia sticking together!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,421
    rcs1000 said:

    @LuckyGuy1983

    Just a quick thought on Greece (as you're here).

    I think the Greek people fall into two categories: those with savings, and those without.

    Any exit of the Euro would mean a massive devaluation of the Drachma against the Euro. This would be excellent for the have-nots, as it would improve the competitive position of the Greek economy and make holidays much cheaper than they might have been. This would almost certainly flow through into higher employment in relatively short order.

    But such a devaluation means dramatically lowering the real value of people's savings. The costs of devaluation are born entirely by savers. (These people complain: hey, I've been thrifty and done what I supposed to do, so why should I be the one to pay?.)

    The former group would like to leave the Euro and would be the biggest beneficiaries. The latter group would like to stay in, as it keeps the purchasing power of their savings intact.

    Perhaps the best way forward would have been for the first group to recognise that it was the second group that would suffer in the event of exiting the Euro. Perhaps the government could have created some kind of "saving adjusment bond" that paid out 50% of the effective depreciation. Sure, it would have added to Greece's debt, but it would have made Euro exit a lot more palatable to the older group.

    Can you not just open a bank account with Deutsche Bank say as a Greek citizen if you're a saver ? (Free movement of people, capital and all that in the EU...)
    If I was Greek I'd be looking to keep my Euro denominated savings in a Greek bank account to a minimum.
  • felix said:

    felix said:



    Death of Jihadi John fruitless...it's a view...

    it's not actually going to change much tho is it? plenty of other mentalists to take his executioners job
    Missing the point - deliberately?
    don't think so. you suggested fruitless, and I think more or less, yes, besides some vengeance. same as for bin laden. actually bin laden probably more fruitless
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited November 2015

    @Richard_Nabavi's comment about him being more interested in oppressed Yemeni sex workers was spot on.

    chestnut said:

    taffys said:

    Interesting article, I think Corbyn's comments today show he is as much interested in an ideal world as the real one.

    He's more interested in the middle east than middle England.

    An unusual criticism to make considering our own Government has ring-fenced a ridiculously spendthrift foreign aid budget and is currently engaging our hollowed out armed services in a fruitless bombing campaign in the Middle East that it wishes to extend into another country.
    Your view appears to be:

    Russian bombing in support of Syria (which they wish to extend into Iraq): good and hopeful.

    US/UK bombing in support of Iraq (which the UK wish to extend into Syria): bad and fruitless.
    There is actually a non-bonkers argument for this, which is that when the former colonial powers intervene in one of the countries they've colonized then repeatedly re-invaded or whose governments they've overturned, not necessarily to the benefit of the people living there, they inevitably rally people in defence of the side they're attacking.

    This is a particularly strong argument for the _UK_ to stay out and let other countries deal with it, since they have a very high ratio of colonial baggage to practical military capability.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited November 2015

    Which gamble would PBers go for? I went option 4

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/665141539774078976

    Tails. Its a no-brainer.

    :)
  • Pong said:

    Which gamble would PBers go for? I went option 4

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/665141539774078976

    Tails. Its a no-brainer.

    :)
    whit? does that make any sense?
  • Pong said:

    Which gamble would PBers go for? I went option 4

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/665141539774078976

    Tails. Its a no-brainer.

    :)
    whit? does that make any sense?
    hang on a minute...
  • https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/664502203365916672

    Interesting to see Cameron is on a crackberry.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,994
    edited November 2015

    twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/664502203365916672

    Interesting to see Cameron is on a crackberry.

    Not really, Blackberries are more customisable on a security level than either Android (because of Android had some glaring security flaws) and Apple (who are very restrictive on people customising IOS)

    Edit: Obama still uses a Blackberry
  • twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/664502203365916672

    Interesting to see Cameron is on a crackberry.

    Not really, Blackberries are more customisable on a security level than either Android (because of Android had some glaring security flaws) and Apple (who are very restrictive on people customising IOS)
    That is what I meant....
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,536

    @Richard_Nabavi's comment about him being more interested in oppressed Yemeni sex workers was spot on.

    chestnut said:

    taffys said:

    Interesting article, I think Corbyn's comments today show he is as much interested in an ideal world as the real one.

    He's more interested in the middle east than middle England.

    An unusual criticism to make considering our own Government has ring-fenced a ridiculously spendthrift foreign aid budget and is currently engaging our hollowed out armed services in a fruitless bombing campaign in the Middle East that it wishes to extend into another country.
    Your view appears to be:

    Russian bombing in support of Syria (which they wish to extend into Iraq): good and hopeful.

    US/UK bombing in support of Iraq (which the UK wish to extend into Syria): bad and fruitless.
    There is actually a non-bonkers argument for this, which is that when the former colonial powers intervene in one of the countries they've colonized then repeatedly re-invaded or whose governments they've overturned, not necessarily to the benefit of the people living there, they inevitably rally people in defence of the side they're attacking.

    This is a particularly strong argument for the _UK_ to stay out and let other countries deal with it, since they have a very high ratio of colonial baggage to practical military capability.
    It's a particularly weak argument. The former colonial power in Syria were the Ottomans (with a brief Egyptian incursion), and they were followed (I think) by a short-lived Kingdom and then a French mandate.

    Aside from that, well done!
  • twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/664502203365916672

    Interesting to see Cameron is on a crackberry.

    Not really, Blackberries are more customisable on a security level than either Android (because of Android had some glaring security flaws) and Apple (who are very restrictive on people customising IOS)
    That is what I meant....
    Ooops
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503

    twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/664502203365916672

    Interesting to see Cameron is on a crackberry.

    Not really, Blackberries are more customisable on a security level than either Android (because of Android had some glaring security flaws) and Apple (who are very restrictive on people customising IOS)

    Edit: Obama still uses a Blackberry
    Blackberries are evaluatable by CESG because they're vertically integrated. Android's main issue is that handsets contain all kinds of third party crap with all together too many privileges :).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,421
    Pong said:

    Which gamble would PBers go for? I went option 4

    https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/665141539774078976

    Tails. Its a no-brainer.

    :)
    Run Gamble 5 10,000 times.
  • In the comments people don't seem convinced that the story is true...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    John_M said:

    Blackberries are evaluatable by CESG because they're vertically integrated. Android's main issue is that handsets contain all kinds of third party crap with all together too many privileges :).

    Lots of talk about this thing

    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/11/blackphone-2-review-privacy-usability-silent-circle
  • notme said:

    Friday afternoon's come round so quickly... "David Cameron isn't very good at his day job"

    Yeah right.

    Is it not a bit unusual for a PM to actually gain seats and votes from one election to another?
    Yes, although not unheard of. 1955, 1959 and 1966 are all post-war examples. Perhaps surprisingly, 1983 isn't, as the Tory vote dropped slightly, although nothing like as much as the Labour one. In fact, Oct 1974 and 1983 are the two cases of a government gaining seats but losing votes (and 1951 and 1992 are ones of a government gaining votes but losing seats).
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175

    felix said:

    felix said:



    Death of Jihadi John fruitless...it's a view...

    it's not actually going to change much tho is it? plenty of other mentalists to take his executioners job
    Missing the point - deliberately?
    don't think so. you suggested fruitless, and I think more or less, yes, besides some vengeance. same as for bin laden. actually bin laden probably more fruitless
    I think the appropriate word relates less to vengeance than justice. It also does much for morale generally as so often one feels powerless against the random nature of hostage taking and execution. It may just also help to begin the process of making the potential 'replacements' understand the game they're playing is for real. Finally unless you have a convincing alternative and credible strategy carping from the sidelines is pretty naff.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    The families of Enwazis victims are not altogether impressed

    https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/665171508457832448
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    £3.50 for a cup of coffee? In London?

    Don't see why it is 'great'. 'Sad' maybe.
  • england batting - never knowingly unable to cock things up
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,421

    In the comments people don't seem convinced that the story is true...
    http://metro.co.uk/author/lauren-crouch-for-metro-co-uk/

    Lauren Crouch writes articles on dating for Metro.

    What a remarkable coincidence !
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    England 56-3 off the last 10 overs.. not too flashy
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,685
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @LuckyGuy1983

    Just a quick thought on Greece (as you're here).

    I think the Greek people fall into two categories: those with savings, and those without.

    Any exit of the Euro would mean a massive devaluation of the Drachma against the Euro. This would be excellent for the have-nots, as it would improve the competitive position of the Greek economy and make holidays much cheaper than they might have been. This would almost certainly flow through into higher employment in relatively short order.

    But such a devaluation means dramatically lowering the real value of people's savings. The costs of devaluation are born entirely by savers. (These people complain: hey, I've been thrifty and done what I supposed to do, so why should I be the one to pay?.)

    The former group would like to leave the Euro and would be the biggest beneficiaries. The latter group would like to stay in, as it keeps the purchasing power of their savings intact.

    Perhaps the best way forward would have been for the first group to recognise that it was the second group that would suffer in the event of exiting the Euro. Perhaps the government could have created some kind of "saving adjusment bond" that paid out 50% of the effective depreciation. Sure, it would have added to Greece's debt, but it would have made Euro exit a lot more palatable to the older group.

    Can you not just open a bank account with Deutsche Bank say as a Greek citizen if you're a saver ? (Free movement of people, capital and all that in the EU...)
    If I was Greek I'd be looking to keep my Euro denominated savings in a Greek bank account to a minimum.
    You are - of course - absolutely right. And approximately half of all money in the Greek banking sector (north of €100bn) has fled during the crisis.

    Perhaps, I should have have expressed myself better. Savers, and people on fixed incomes, such as the retirees would be the most affected.
  • isam said:

    England 56-3 off the last 10 overs.. not too flashy

    what a dribble of a last 10 overs with so many wickets in hand.
  • On topic, yes, Corbyn does want to be PM. The problem is that he doesn't want to compromise in order to get there. He does compromise of course but because it's obvious that he doesn't want to then that simply opens him to the charges of hypocrisy and sell-out.

    Not that it matters because he won't get it. Behind on economic credibility + behind on leadership = defeat. If there is a recession, it will strengthen rather than weaken Osborne's case that the deficit needs (needed) paying down faster.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    Scott_P said:

    @DPJHodges: Corbyn and other Labour spokesman now have to answer question "would you have authorised drone strike that killed Jihadi John".

    Does the British Prime Minister now control United States' armed forces? Has anyone told Donald Trump?
    The British prime minister does control the use of UK drones and if American intelligence had indicated JJ, was in their area of responsibility, they would have requested a British strike. It is a perfectly valid question, but you knew that.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    I notice England's biggest sports fan isn't trolling todays opposition with lazy stereotype put downs
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Good job she didn't pass that one with the offensive blackboard which has 'outraged' some loudmouths on Twitter.
This discussion has been closed.