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edited October 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The Tory leadership contest could be the political equivalent of the Grand National

There’s a fascinating article by Tim Shipman of the Sunday Times (££) published today about the attempts to stop a George Osborne coronation in the race to succeed David Cameron, with 18 (yes eighteen) past and present ministers thinking about running against Osborne. Shipman reports

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  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Gavin Barwell. Jacob Rees-Mogg. Cornelius Cracklegroak. Matilda Muckbump. Ernest Crumpleseizure. Tufton Beamish. Rory Stewart. Rudolf Treaclepudding.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    Whoah. We've all heard these rumours but...

    https://twitter.com/moog_finger_pie/status/650438639109980160

    Is that conclusive?

    No. One of them is not wearing a tie !
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34435619

    Behind every strong personality is an insecure one. 7 minutes of rant to anser just one question.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    GB Polls:

    GE2015 - Farron becomes leader: 7 polls - Tory lead over Labour 9%

    Farron becomes leader - Corbyn becomes leader: 7 polls - Tory lead over Labour 9%

    Corbyn becomes leader - Now: 7 polls - Tory lead over Labour 7.3%

  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,988

    "GE2015 - Farron becomes leader: 7 polls - Tory lead over Labour 9%

    Farron becomes leader - Corbyn becomes leader: 7 polls - Tory lead over Labour 9%

    Corbyn becomes leader - Now: 7 polls - Tory lead over Labour 7.3%"

    Corbyn photographed wearing a shell suit-Tory lead Labour in every constituency except Liverpool.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,055
    Cameron will stay leader certainly through EU ref and probably through Corbyn's leadership, Labour are likely to get a new leader before 2019. I cannot see Osborne not getting it
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,055
    edited October 2015
    surbiton said:

    GB Polls:

    GE2015 - Farron becomes leader: 7 polls - Tory lead over Labour 9%

    Farron becomes leader - Corbyn becomes leader: 7 polls - Tory lead over Labour 9%

    Corbyn becomes leader - Now: 7 polls - Tory lead over Labour 7.3%

    Tory lead over Labour at the election 6. 5% so a 0.4% swing to the Tories since Corbyn became Labour leader
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Good morning, everyone.

    I do wonder if the English rugby team are secret S&M enthusiasts, given they threw away the Wales game then submitted to a thrashing by Australia. Anyway, I hope the other home nations, especially Scotland, do well.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    One problem for the non-Osborne candidates is the heir-to-Brown making announcements and taking credit for developments which would normally fall within their departments' purview.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @kevverage: These SNP Ministers couldn't be expected to know "The Scottish Resistance" are raving lunatics; they hide it so well. http://t.co/c38NzbkQ52
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    An MP whose property deals are at the centre of a police probe had her consultancy services terminated by the pro-business group set up to campaign for independence.

    Michelle Thomson's payments as Managing Director of Business for Scotland (BfS) were axed months before the referendum amid clashes with the body's chief executive, according to BfS emails obtained by this newspaper.

    However, she was allowed to continue using the MD title and carry out media work in order to avoid damaging press coverage.
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/13802172.Emails_reveal_how_economic_case_for_independence_was_undermined_by_scandal_hit_Michelle_Thomson/
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited October 2015
    https://twitter.com/pickardje/status/650568243556544512

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3259156/BA-tells-Captain-Kirk-Salmond-exactly-boldly-tried-book-flight-Star-Trek-character.html
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    Tai Woffinden clinched his second Speedway Grand Prix World Championship last night. It's a shame that he doesn't get the coverage he deserves - he is 200-1 to be SPOTY.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. 86, Le Mans doesn't get much coverage either. Excepting F1, no form of motorsport does.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    tlg86 said:

    Tai Woffinden clinched his second Speedway Grand Prix World Championship last night. It's a shame that he doesn't get the coverage he deserves - he is 200-1 to be SPOTY.

    It was mentioned on Twitter by disappointed journos looking for British success after the rugby humiliation, but...

    1. It's another "sitting down" sport

    2. He was apparently born in Australia
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @kevverage: "Michelle knows what she's doing, knows her area and knows about fairness, equality & prosperity. I say bring it on, Michelle" - Sturgeon

    @kevverage: "I had no knowledge of Michelle Thomson's business dealings until, like everybody else, I read it in the Sunday Times" - Sturgeon

    @kevverage: According to Sun Times Sturgeon "hand-picked" Thomson for frontbench role http://t.co/0MKeeW2obF
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    Scott_P said:

    tlg86 said:

    Tai Woffinden clinched his second Speedway Grand Prix World Championship last night. It's a shame that he doesn't get the coverage he deserves - he is 200-1 to be SPOTY.

    It was mentioned on Twitter by disappointed journos looking for British success after the rugby humiliation, but...

    1. It's another "sitting down" sport

    2. He was apparently born in Australia
    No, he was born in Scunthorpe, brought up in Australia, but now lives in Scunthorpe - when he's not racing in Europe. He pays taxes here, unlike Lewis Hamilton.

    It might be a sitting down sport but it's tough. I wouldn't expect him to win - it's very much a minority sport - but it would be nice if he made the short list.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    I hope Ireland win the World Cup now but good luck to the Ozzies. There's been some good games already - Japan vs SA, and I enjoyed the Georgians committing GBH on the All Blacks yesterday.

    In the end, you need agile players to retain your ball at the breakdown, not great blobs lumbering up and flopping over. I hope we learn the lesson.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,825
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 86, Le Mans doesn't get much coverage either. Excepting F1, no form of motorsport does.

    Why does BTCC not get coverage any more? It used to be the best and most thrilling form of motor racing.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. Doethur, no idea. Might be political.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Are there questions on the SNP membership form like "Have you ever read a newspaper" to which you need to answer No?

    @kevverage: "I'm not about to let the media educate me" - the SNP must love members like this https://t.co/KE93uIieSo
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Ambitious Conservative MPs should reflect that the best CV will include proven and recent achievements. That means knuckling down to work that will burnish CVs for the next few years. (In turn that might suggest that there is value in being outspoken but not divisive over the EU referendum - my hunch is that the eventual winner will need to present himself or herself as a healer of wounds).

    Some of the names listed haven't started to get appropriate CVs together. It is disturbing that so many MPs are so delusional.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    antifrank said:

    there is value in being outspoken but not divisive over the EU referendum

    @SophyRidgeSky: .@MattHancockMP tells @SkyNews there's "remarkable unity" over PM's EU strategy (will it last until end of #CPC15 ?) http://t.co/1HHZV6v3QO
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040
    antifrank said:

    Ambitious Conservative MPs should reflect that the best CV will include proven and recent achievements. That means knuckling down to work that will burnish CVs for the next few years. (In turn that might suggest that there is value in being outspoken but not divisive over the EU referendum - my hunch is that the eventual winner will need to present himself or herself as a healer of wounds).

    Some of the names listed haven't started to get appropriate CVs together. It is disturbing that so many MPs are so delusional.

    Quite so. At the moment the strong impression that is being given is that Osborne is the government. Those who have ambitions should look at the energy and time he is investing in the Northern Powerhouse idea and think, what can I do to extend the reach and prospects of the Conservative party?

    Until one of them comes up with an answer to that and then puts some serious work into making it happen Osborne is and deserves to be the favourite.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    DavidL said:

    antifrank said:

    Ambitious Conservative MPs should reflect that the best CV will include proven and recent achievements. That means knuckling down to work that will burnish CVs for the next few years. (In turn that might suggest that there is value in being outspoken but not divisive over the EU referendum - my hunch is that the eventual winner will need to present himself or herself as a healer of wounds).

    Some of the names listed haven't started to get appropriate CVs together. It is disturbing that so many MPs are so delusional.

    Quite so. At the moment the strong impression that is being given is that Osborne is the government. Those who have ambitions should look at the energy and time he is investing in the Northern Powerhouse idea and think, what can I do to extend the reach and prospects of the Conservative party?

    Until one of them comes up with an answer to that and then puts some serious work into making it happen Osborne is and deserves to be the favourite.
    And it needs to be free or at least cheap because if a popular initiative needs Treasury funding, then the Chancellor will approve it (or not), announce it, and take credit for it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,172
    Scott_P said:

    Are there questions on the SNP membership form like "Have you ever read a newspaper" to which you need to answer No?

    @kevverage: "I'm not about to let the media educate me" - the SNP must love members like this https://t.co/KE93uIieSo

    What sort of a discount were you able to negotiate on a bulk purchase?

    http://tinyurl.com/q9wpd8o
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    antifrank said:

    Ambitious Conservative MPs should reflect that the best CV will include proven and recent achievements. That means knuckling down to work that will burnish CVs for the next few years. (In turn that might suggest that there is value in being outspoken but not divisive over the EU referendum - my hunch is that the eventual winner will need to present himself or herself as a healer of wounds).

    Some of the names listed haven't started to get appropriate CVs together. It is disturbing that so many MPs are so delusional.

    Likewise for Labour.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited October 2015
    ydoethur said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 86, Le Mans doesn't get much coverage either. Excepting F1, no form of motorsport does.

    Why does BTCC not get coverage any more? It used to be the best and most thrilling form of motor racing.
    The BBC used to run the Saturday sports programme Grandstand which ended in 2007 I believe. They covered the main sports of course but they also covered all the minority sports and had TV coverage. Always started with a round up of events, then wrestling, then a horse race , motocross etc etc. They even covered motor hill climbing in the 60's. It got a lot of the less well recognised sports front and centre. Since then though specialist programmes took its place such as Ski Sunday and a number of Football hour progs.

    Grandstand of course always finished with the football scores teleprinter.... then the final results and Jimmy Hill musing on the wins and losses with reporters phoning in from GPO telephone Boxes on crappy lines with match reports from the main events. David Coleman was one of the main anchors.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,515
    ydoethur said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 86, Le Mans doesn't get much coverage either. Excepting F1, no form of motorsport does.

    Why does BTCC not get coverage any more? It used to be the best and most thrilling form of motor racing.
    ITV4 show each race live; in fact they show virtually the entire day including support races. They can be great fun, and well worht a watch. There is also a highlights package of the races.

    This might just be an impression, but the BBC used to mention BTCC a little, whereas now it's on ITV it's like the sport no longer exists.

    http://www.itv.com/btcc
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited October 2015
    Osborne, May, Javid, Johnson, Morgan, Hunt, Soubry, Patel, Leadsom, Paterson, Brady, Grayling, Crabb, Mordaunt, Fox,

    Stuart Lancaster overhauls England for next match in World Cup.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,040
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    DavidL said:

    antifrank said:

    Ambitious Conservative MPs should reflect that the best CV will include proven and recent achievements. That means knuckling down to work that will burnish CVs for the next few years. (In turn that might suggest that there is value in being outspoken but not divisive over the EU referendum - my hunch is that the eventual winner will need to present himself or herself as a healer of wounds).

    Some of the names listed haven't started to get appropriate CVs together. It is disturbing that so many MPs are so delusional.

    Quite so. At the moment the strong impression that is being given is that Osborne is the government. Those who have ambitions should look at the energy and time he is investing in the Northern Powerhouse idea and think, what can I do to extend the reach and prospects of the Conservative party?

    Until one of them comes up with an answer to that and then puts some serious work into making it happen Osborne is and deserves to be the favourite.
    And it needs to be free or at least cheap because if a popular initiative needs Treasury funding, then the Chancellor will approve it (or not), announce it, and take credit for it.
    Those in the Cabinet have budgets they can use. In the run up to the election Hunt did a terrific job in defusing the NHS and keeping it quiet. Since the election he has found it harder as the NHS has to run ever faster to stand still but popular and populist initiatives are still possible within such a budget.

    Sajid Javid took over a department that had inevitably achieved very little under Cable. Where is the Tory manufacturing strategy to match Osborne's macroeconomics? Where is the deregulation and encouragement for small companies? What, if anything, can his department look to do to encourage housebuilding?

    These are Tory areas of weakness and they threaten their domination of the centre ground. At the moment the centre ground is being abandoned by Labour giving the Tories victory by default but nature abhors a vacuum and there is much that could be done in these areas for themselves and, of course, the country.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,825
    JosiasJessop said:

    ydoethur said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 86, Le Mans doesn't get much coverage either. Excepting F1, no form of motorsport does.

    Why does BTCC not get coverage any more? It used to be the best and most thrilling form of motor racing.
    ITV4 show each race live; in fact they show virtually the entire day including support races. They can be great fun, and well worht a watch. There is also a highlights package of the races.

    This might just be an impression, but the BBC used to mention BTCC a little, whereas now it's on ITV it's like the sport no longer exists.

    http://www.itv.com/btcc
    Thank you. I had wondered.

    And now, as I said on the last thread, I have to go back to school and carry on working. Have a nice weekend everyone.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,996
    Morning all :)

    As a non-Conservative, I would remind TSE that his analogy forgets how often the favourite has also fallen at the first fence.

    I've long been of the view that the dynamic of the Cameron-Osborne relationship changed after the 2012 Budget since when Osborne has effectively taken over the Government and the Party but has always needed Cameron to deliver the electorate and specifically those who are not naturally inclined toward the Conservatives but liked David Cameron.

    The next job is to deliver the EU Referendum and again Cameron's role is to play the "you can trust me" card to wavering and sceptical voters (whichever way he chooses to jump). Choosing to remain in or leave the EU is of course secondary to the preservation of the unity of the Conservative Party (or at least the perception of unity) hence Hancock's comments below.

    The only other problem about choosing George Osborne is George Osborne - as others have said, he comes over as a profoundly dislikeable figure and I don't really know why. He lacks Cameron's empathy and while I'm sure in private he is, as Tim Nice-but-Dim would say "a bloody good bloke", his public persona conveys (inadvertently I'm sure) an arrogance and lack of sincerity which is fatal in an aspiring Prime Minister in this media-driven age.

    If you want to play an 18-runner race in the immediate, there's the Arc this afternoon and the question as to whether TREVE can win the race for the third time and defeat the English and French Derby winners in the process. I've backed FLINTSHIRE and FREE EAGLE at big prices each way.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    ITV4 and C4 also show Goodwood motor racing and hill climbs.
    ydoethur said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    ydoethur said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 86, Le Mans doesn't get much coverage either. Excepting F1, no form of motorsport does.

    Why does BTCC not get coverage any more? It used to be the best and most thrilling form of motor racing.
    ITV4 show each race live; in fact they show virtually the entire day including support races. They can be great fun, and well worht a watch. There is also a highlights package of the races.

    This might just be an impression, but the BBC used to mention BTCC a little, whereas now it's on ITV it's like the sport no longer exists.

    http://www.itv.com/btcc
    Thank you. I had wondered.

    And now, as I said on the last thread, I have to go back to school and carry on working. Have a nice weekend everyone.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    First policy announcement I've seen this morning is parental leave extended to grandparents - I like that idea particularly since the retirement age is rising/its something many grandparents would love to be involved in. Nice move.

    The prisoner education changes are my favourite - the Texan initiative looks promising, if hard to implement. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11909309/The-Texas-prison-experiment-that-inspired-Michael-Gove.html
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,988
    C'est une catastrophe

    http://news.sky.com/story/1563567/floods-kill-at-least-10-on-french-riviera
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    This is really rather good - Can You Survive A Week As Jezza http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/can-you-survive-a-week-as-jeremy-corbyn#.yazzyOADxZ
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,969
    Scott_P said:

    @kevverage: These SNP Ministers couldn't be expected to know "The Scottish Resistance" are raving lunatics; they hide it so well. http://t.co/c38NzbkQ52

    But but but Tricky Nicky said on record that their activities were nothing to do with the SNP whatsoever.

    Then 2 of them turned out to be members.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11584106/SNP-suspends-two-members-involved-in-ugly-anti-Labour-protest.html

    Slow political road accidents are fascinating.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    ydoethur said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    ydoethur said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 86, Le Mans doesn't get much coverage either. Excepting F1, no form of motorsport does.

    Why does BTCC not get coverage any more? It used to be the best and most thrilling form of motor racing.
    ITV4 show each race live; in fact they show virtually the entire day including support races. They can be great fun, and well worht a watch. There is also a highlights package of the races.

    This might just be an impression, but the BBC used to mention BTCC a little, whereas now it's on ITV it's like the sport no longer exists.

    http://www.itv.com/btcc
    Thank you. I had wondered.

    And now, as I said on the last thread, I have to go back to school and carry on working. Have a nice weekend everyone.
    My sympathies. I saw your rant. Another public service being hollowed out by excessive inspection regimes (that are not even effective - having been part of 2 CQC visits).
  • frpenkridgefrpenkridge Posts: 670
    I don't recall Grandstand ever covering wrestling.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,391
    Roger said:

    C'est une catastrophe

    http://news.sky.com/story/1563567/floods-kill-at-least-10-on-french-riviera

    Hope your mansions not been flooded Rog?
  • Hertsmere_PubgoerHertsmere_Pubgoer Posts: 3,476
    frpenkridge said:

    I don't recall Grandstand ever covering wrestling.

    World of Sport with Dickie Davies iirc
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Tim Montgomerie is disappointed that Dave is standing firm on tax credits, so the government has probably got this one right.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,988
    G+T

    Hope your mansion's not been flooded Rog?

    I'll know tonight!

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. Roger, surely the telegram from your head butler will reach you before then?
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Plato_Says said:

    First policy announcement I've seen this morning is parental leave extended to grandparents - I like that idea particularly since the retirement age is rising/its something many grandparents would love to be involved in. Nice move.

    Occasionally, I remark that a Labour policy could, albeit with some adjustment to the rhetoric, serve the Conservative Party equally well. Like grandparental leave, for instance.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Cameron on Marr making it pretty clear he'd campaign for Leave if he doesn't get what he wants in terms of negotiations. Good stuff - just what I wanted to hear.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    Are there questions on the SNP membership form like "Have you ever read a newspaper" to which you need to answer No?

    @kevverage: "I'm not about to let the media educate me" - the SNP must love members like this https://t.co/KE93uIieSo

    It's perfectly fair point. The MSM have an agenda, predominantly one that is trying to damage the SNP (and from polling and elections, utterly failing).

    The MSM lie, the MSM hyperbolise. There is no point relying on the UK media. If you want to know what's going on in the world it is well worth using a range of sources, the UK media being the most unreliable.

    You're now resorting to quoting ranting lunatics like Kevin Hague, a man with only one agenda - a rampant hatred of Scotland and all things Scottish. Your media is trying to built a case on pictures of politicians with people. OMG, how shocking - politician in picture with member of public.

    Not to mention "MPs parent's business had problems 25 years ago - BURN THE SNP WITCH". The MSM is descending into self-parody.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Are there questions on the SNP membership form like "Have you ever read a newspaper" to which you need to answer No?

    @kevverage: "I'm not about to let the media educate me" - the SNP must love members like this https://t.co/KE93uIieSo

    It's perfectly fair point. The MSM have an agenda, predominantly one that is trying to damage the SNP (and from polling and elections, utterly failing).

    The MSM lie, the MSM hyperbolise. There is no point relying on the UK media. If you want to know what's going on in the world it is well worth using a range of sources, the UK media being the most unreliable.

    You're now resorting to quoting ranting lunatics like Kevin Hague, a man with only one agenda - a rampant hatred of Scotland and all things Scottish. Your media is trying to built a case on pictures of politicians with people. OMG, how shocking - politician in picture with member of public.

    Not to mention "MPs parent's business had problems 25 years ago - BURN THE SNP WITCH". The MSM is descending into self-parody.
    All hail, Sturgeon.

    Are you also contributing to The Daily Mash?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Jake_Wilde: Andrew Rawnsley on the reality gap starting to appear in the Labour Party.

    http://t.co/MnS8bDwzUW http://t.co/E2an0F3dT0
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,515
    Plato_Says said:

    Cameron on Marr making it pretty clear he'd campaign for Leave if he doesn't get what he wants in terms of negotiations. Good stuff - just what I wanted to hear.

    I've been saying that for ages. ;)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. Jessop, hmm. Easy to make the right noises ahead of time. I'll believe Cameron campaigning for Out when I see it.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    MattW said:

    Scott_P said:

    @kevverage: These SNP Ministers couldn't be expected to know "The Scottish Resistance" are raving lunatics; they hide it so well. http://t.co/c38NzbkQ52

    But but but Tricky Nicky said on record that their activities were nothing to do with the SNP whatsoever.

    Then 2 of them turned out to be members.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11584106/SNP-suspends-two-members-involved-in-ugly-anti-Labour-protest.html

    Slow political road accidents are fascinating.
    There are 112,000 people in the SNP. Statistically, it is pretty much certain that some will be paedophiles, fraudsters, animal abusers, racists, misogynists etc, etc. A political party has no responsibility whatsoever for the private behaviour of its members beyond booting any out if such behaviour comes to light.

    The best part is that it does nothing for the Loyalist argument. It looks like what it is, a risible smear campaign which falls apart when given any reasonable consideration The SNP continue to ride high while Loyalism is dying.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2015
    Plato_Says said:

    Cameron on Marr making it pretty clear he'd campaign for Leave if he doesn't get what he wants in terms of negotiations. Good stuff - just what I wanted to hear.

    I wonder what the odds on Cameron campaigning for leave are?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    PM does an effective job knifing Ashcroft on Marr.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Mr. Flashman (deceased), what did he say?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Flashman (deceased), what did he say?

    Dismissed it as a revenge book and said he picked ministers on "merit" not donations.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Didn't he just - few words but got him right between the ribs.
    TGOHF said:

    PM does an effective job knifing Ashcroft on Marr.

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Buyers remorse ??

    @IsabelOakeshott: Delighted by Sunday Times coverage of #CallMeDave today. They focus on policy content http://t.co/CiQHYcp64L
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Roger, surely the telegram from your head butler will reach you before then?

    Don't forget Roger, fully bought into weird Ed 's policies, so will be receiving news of his mansion via the owl postal service. It's slow but reliable.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Classic few words from Dave
    He really is good at his job.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The SNP swept to power on the promise of a new politics. Skunnered by the sleaze of Westminster and Labour’s longstanding sense of entitlement, the electorate looked to the SNP as a shiny new party of change. The developments of last week reveal much more of plus ça change.

    What is now important, regardless of the ongoing police investigation into these matters, is what the SNP knew and when. Sturgeon says the first she knew about any of this was when she read about it in The Sunday Times.

    But if the party knew nothing about Thomson’s business dealings, why then was the First Minister and her ministers lining up to praise her for her business skills? It just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
    https://www.holyrood.com/articles/editors-note/week-new-politics-lost-its-shine
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Are there questions on the SNP membership form like "Have you ever read a newspaper" to which you need to answer No?

    @kevverage: "I'm not about to let the media educate me" - the SNP must love members like this https://t.co/KE93uIieSo

    You're now resorting to quoting ranting lunatics like Kevin Hague, a man with only one agenda - a rampant hatred of Scotland and all things Scottish.
    I think, as so often happens, you are confusing "SNP and SNP policies" with "Scotland an all things Scottish" - and reading Mr Hague's entertaining blog with its routine dissections and eviserations of SNP policy I think he finds them amusing rather than being worthy of hate:

    http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Darcus Howe on the Beeb stealing a living as professional victim
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    JohnLoony said:

    Gavin Barwell. Jacob Rees-Mogg. Cornelius Cracklegroak. Matilda Muckbump. Ernest Crumpleseizure. Tufton Beamish. Rory Stewart. Rudolf Treaclepudding.

    Gavin Barwell? No way. Thunderbirds are go.
    https://twitter.com/gavinbarwellmp
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I've just glanced at that - three pitiful sections, one about Cast Iron Dave which anyone who followed the whole quote knows isn't as its used.

    One about Cameron running a charity race about books or something and one about his wife being related in some roundabout way to someone I've never heard of and care less.

    Anyone who's paid for this rubbish should try the PB Book Club instead.
    TGOHF said:

    Buyers remorse ??

    @IsabelOakeshott: Delighted by Sunday Times coverage of #CallMeDave today. They focus on policy content http://t.co/CiQHYcp64L

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Hedwig must be getting on a bit by now.
    saddened said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Roger, surely the telegram from your head butler will reach you before then?

    Don't forget Roger, fully bought into weird Ed 's policies, so will be receiving news of his mansion via the owl postal service. It's slow but reliable.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,842
    HYUFD said:

    surbiton said:

    GB Polls:

    GE2015 - Farron becomes leader: 7 polls - Tory lead over Labour 9%

    Farron becomes leader - Corbyn becomes leader: 7 polls - Tory lead over Labour 9%

    Corbyn becomes leader - Now: 7 polls - Tory lead over Labour 7.3%

    Tory lead over Labour at the election 6. 5% so a 0.4% swing to the Tories since Corbyn became Labour leader
    The Tory lead *in the polls* at the election was a lot less than 6.5%.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    For anyone with nothing better to do - the agenda for today at CPC15 https://conservativepartyconference.com/agenda

    14.15 - 16.00

    Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs
    Leader of the Conservatives in the European Parliament
    Secretary of State for Defence
    Secretary of State for International Development
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    CarlottaVance said:

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Are there questions on the SNP membership form like "Have you ever read a newspaper" to which you need to answer No?

    @kevverage: "I'm not about to let the media educate me" - the SNP must love members like this https://t.co/KE93uIieSo

    You're now resorting to quoting ranting lunatics like Kevin Hague, a man with only one agenda - a rampant hatred of Scotland and all things Scottish.
    I think, as so often happens, you are confusing "SNP and SNP policies" with "Scotland an all things Scottish" - and reading Mr Hague's entertaining blog with its routine dissections and eviserations of SNP policy I think he finds them amusing rather than being worthy of hate:

    http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk
    Haha, his insane rantings do cover more than just the SNP you know. But the core of his fantasy is an inveterate hate of Scotland. He even admits that he's just making it all up in his latest "article".

    A confession: the more astute among you may be asking why these graphs start in 2008 and why I've used indexed data in two cases. The answer is simple - it serves my argument best to present the data that way.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    frpenkridge said:

    I don't recall Grandstand ever covering wrestling.

    World of Sport with Dickie Davies iirc
    Yes I "misremembered" that one to coin a phrase. The point I was trying to make was the lesser known sports got an airing in front of joe public which resulted in additional interest and hopefully some cash for the sport.

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I hated Grandstand acres of football or racing - now WoS was really rather fun, lots of different things all in chunks for just long enough to enjoy or bear. I loved the novelty international coverage of cliff diving et al. And of course the wrestling.
    Moses_ said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    frpenkridge said:

    I don't recall Grandstand ever covering wrestling.

    World of Sport with Dickie Davies iirc
    Yes I "misremembered" that one to coin a phrase. The point I was trying to make was the lesser known sports got an airing in front of joe public which resulted in additional interest and hopefully some cash for the sport.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The modern, successful SNP built much of its success on the notion that it adhered to higher moral standards that its opponents. At its most vague, this translates as the suggestion from the leadership that Scots are a peculiarly compassionate people. At its most (ludicrously) specific, it becomes the furious Yesser insisting that anyone who voted No last year must support the “murder” of Iraqi children.

    Let’s hope this cartoonish worldview begins to go out of fashion soon.

    In the past few days, those on the Scottish Nationalist moral high ground have found themselves with some difficult truths to deal with. Having persuaded themselves that their chosen party did politics differently, more transparently than others, and that its representatives were more upstanding than those who stood for election under different banners, reality has come along to slap them around the chops.
    http://beta.scotsman.com/news/euan-mccolm-the-ugly-truth-about-politics-of-sanctimony-1-3906616
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    JohnLoony said:

    Gavin Barwell. Jacob Rees-Mogg. Cornelius Cracklegroak. Matilda Muckbump. Ernest Crumpleseizure. Tufton Beamish. Rory Stewart. Rudolf Treaclepudding.

    Gavin Barwell? No way. Thunderbirds are go.
    https://twitter.com/gavinbarwellmp
    More Gavin Barwell
    http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd153/Nerindil981/HalflingBarbarian.jpg
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,903
    SquareRoot said:

    Classic few words from Dave
    He really is good at his job.

    If you think his job is coming over well in an interview. Which rather seems to be the issue.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    isam said:

    Plato_Says said:

    Cameron on Marr making it pretty clear he'd campaign for Leave if he doesn't get what he wants in terms of negotiations. Good stuff - just what I wanted to hear.

    I wonder what the odds on Cameron campaigning for leave are?
    Whatever they are, they're too short.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Dair said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Are there quhttp://chokkablog.blogspot.co.ukhttp://chokkablog.blogspot.co.ukhttp://chokkablog.blogspot.co.ukhttp://chokkablog.blogspot.co.ukhttp://chokkablog.blogspot.co.ukeestions on the SNP membership form like "Have you ever read a newspaper" to which you need to answer No?

    @kevverage: "I'm not about to let the media educate me" - the SNP must love members like this https://t.co/KE93uIieSo

    You're now resorting to quoting ranting lunatics like Kevin Hague, a man with only one agenda - a rampant hatred of Scotland and all things Scottish.
    I think, as so often happens, you are confusing "SNP and SNP policies" with "Scotland an all things Scottish" - and reading Mr Hague's entertaining blog with its routine dissections and eviserations of SNP policy I think he finds them amusing rather than being worthy of hate:

    http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk
    Haha, his insane rantings do cover more than just the SNP you know. But the core of his fantasy is an inveterate hate of Scotland. He even admits that he's just making it all up in his latest "article".

    A confession: the more astute among you may be asking why these graphs start in 2008 and why I've used indexed data in two cases. The answer is simple - it serves my argument best to present the data that way.
    I understand why you are embarrassed by the routine demolition of SNP policy - but admitting to selectivity in data presentation is hardly "making it all up"

    If he wants to do that I'm sure he'll know where to look!
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Plato_Says said:

    For anyone with nothing better to do - the agenda for today at CPC15 https://conservativepartyconference.com/agenda

    14.15 - 16.00

    Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs
    Leader of the Conservatives in the European Parliament
    Secretary of State for Defence
    Secretary of State for International Development

    Not quite pop corn time but be interesting if Hammond says anything about leaving the EC. He does seem to have gone native at the FCO and allowed Osborne to usurp him.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138
    Scott_P said:

    What is now important, regardless of the ongoing police investigation into these matters, is what the SNP knew and when. Sturgeon says the first she knew about any of this was when she read about it in The Sunday Times.

    But if the party knew nothing about Thomson’s business dealings, why then was the First Minister and her ministers lining up to praise her for her business skills? It just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

    Is that what the SNP call "the Carmichael defence"?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,977
    Miss Plato, we have a book club?
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    JohnLoony said:

    Gavin Barwell. Jacob Rees-Mogg. Cornelius Cracklegroak. Matilda Muckbump. Ernest Crumpleseizure. Tufton Beamish. Rory Stewart. Rudolf Treaclepudding.

    Gavin Barwell? No way. Thunderbirds are go.
    https://twitter.com/gavinbarwellmp
    I always thought the election night special sketch by Monty Python was excellent with the candidate from the silly party being

    Tarquin Fin- tim- lin- bin- whin- bim- lin- bus- stop- F'tang- F'tang- Olé- Biscuitbarrel...

    There was even

    Malcolm Peter Brian Telescope Adrian Umbrella Stand Jasper Wednesday (pops mouth twice) Stoatgobbler John Raw Vegetable (sound effect of horse whinnying) Arthur Norman Michael (blows squeker) Featherstone Smith (blows whistle) Northgot Edwards Harris (fires pistol, which goes 'whoop') Mason (chuff-chuff-chuff) Frampton Jones Fruitbat Gilbert (sings) 'We'll keep a welcome in the' (three shots, stops singing) Williams If I Could Walk That Way Jenkin (squeker) Tiger-draws Pratt Thompson (sings) 'Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head' Darcy Carter (horn) Pussycat 'Don't Sleep In The Subway' Barton Mannering (hoot, 'whoop') ...............Smith.

    http://youtu.be/31FFTx6AKmU


  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SquareRoot said:

    Classic few words from Dave
    He really is good at his job.

    If you think his job is coming over well in an interview. Which rather seems to be the issue.
    No mate. He is the master of the put down. Calm down dear was a classic as enraged the ghastly woman.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited October 2015
    CarlottaVance said:

    Dair said:

    <
    Haha, his insane rantings do cover more than just the SNP you know. But the core of his fantasy is an inveterate hate of Scotland. He even admits that he's just making it all up in his latest "article".

    A confession: the more astute among you may be asking why these graphs start in 2008 and why I've used indexed data in two cases. The answer is simple - it serves my argument best to present the data that way.

    I understand why you are embarrassed by the routine demolition of SNP policy - but admitting to selectivity in data presentation is hardly "making it all up"

    If he wants to do that I'm sure he'll know where to look!
    Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

    Arguments should be derived from data not the other way around. Hague freely admits he manipulates the data to back up his argument. That is the definition of making it up. The guy is a self-admitted liar and a charlatan.

    It's the core problem with Loyalists. Anyone looking at the data with fresh eyes and no ideological bias sees very clearly that Scotland has been harmed from the Union. That's how I went from a staunch (albeit Republican) Unionist, card carrying member of the Conservative and Unionist Party to backing Scottish Independence and voting for the SNP (but not a member, I don't care the vehicle).

    The Loyalists can't win an argument because they don't have the numbers, the amount of money drained out of Scotland over the last 50 years is VAST, around £500bn. Even worse, you can see not 200 miles away over the North Sea what retaining that wealth within the country would actually do to an economy and a nation.

    But Loyalism is not pragmatic or rational or realist. It is an ideologically driven desire to justify and maintain a Union which is harmful to Scotland. And the only way to justify this is by lying about the numbers - as Hague freely admits he does.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited October 2015
    Sharp-tongued frontbencher Stephen Pound tells Guido: “,,,, she said to me: ‘You’re just a poor man’s Tony Banks’”, ......
    “I replied: ‘At least I don’t have to go through the door sideways!’”
    http://www.sunnation.co.uk/swear-at-diane-abbott-jess-she-can/
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    I was thinking of the many recommendations we get on here :smile:
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, we have a book club?

  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited October 2015
    World of Sport (on ITV) had racing (John Rickman tipping his hat and the ITV 7) before it moved to Channel 4.
    Plato_Says said:

    I hated Grandstand acres of football or racing - now WoS was really rather fun, lots of different things all in chunks for just long enough to enjoy or bear. I loved the novelty international coverage of cliff diving et al. And of course the wrestling.

    Moses_ said:

    Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

    frpenkridge said:

    I don't recall Grandstand ever covering wrestling.

    World of Sport with Dickie Davies iirc
    Yes I "misremembered" that one to coin a phrase. The point I was trying to make was the lesser known sports got an airing in front of joe public which resulted in additional interest and hopefully some cash for the sport.

  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    :lol::lol::lol:
    A Jeremy Corbyn “victory party” will be held tomorrow at the most unlikely place: Conservative Party Conference.

    Mischievous Tories who successfully beat Labour’s lax vetting process to help elect Jezza will be toasting his win at a bash in Manchester.

    The celebrations will include a rousing speech from journalist Toby Young, who promoted the #Tories4Corbyn Twitter campaign.
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Sharp-tongued frontbencher Stephen Pound tells Guido: “,,,, she said to me: ‘You’re just a poor man’s Tony Banks’”, ......
    “I replied: ‘At least I don’t have to go through the door sideways!’”
    http://www.sunnation.co.uk/swear-at-diane-abbott-jess-she-can/

  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    ydoethur said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 86, Le Mans doesn't get much coverage either. Excepting F1, no form of motorsport does.

    Why does BTCC not get coverage any more? It used to be the best and most thrilling form of motor racing.
    ITV4 show each race live; in fact they show virtually the entire day including support races. They can be great fun, and well worht a watch. There is also a highlights package of the races.

    This might just be an impression, but the BBC used to mention BTCC a little, whereas now it's on ITV it's like the sport no longer exists.

    http://www.itv.com/btcc
    Thank you. I had wondered.

    And now, as I said on the last thread, I have to go back to school and carry on working. Have a nice weekend everyone.
    My sympathies. I saw your rant. Another public service being hollowed out by excessive inspection regimes (that are not even effective - having been part of 2 CQC visits).
    There is something wrong with the system if a single teacher is spending a single minute preparing for an Ofsted inspection.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Dair said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Dair said:

    <
    Haha, his insane rantings do cover more than just the SNP you know. But the core of his fantasy is an inveterate hate of Scotland. He even admits that he's just making it all up in his latest "article".

    A confession: the more astute among you may be asking why these graphs start in 2008 and why I've used indexed data in two cases. The answer is simple - it serves my argument best to present the data that way.

    I understand why you are embarrassed by the routine demolition of SNP policy - but admitting to selectivity in data presentation is hardly "making it all up"

    If he wants to do that I'm sure he'll know where to look!
    Now you're just embarrassing yourself.......the amount of money drained out of Scotland over the last 50 years is VAST, around £500bn.
    Obviously deprived you of sufficient tin foil......


  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    That Sunday Times article above also indicates that there is a long queue of people lining up to fight Osborne. Will Osborne be able to get enough votes to be in the final 2?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    On 'insane hated':

    It appears that in Scottish politics today the ability to encourage that sort of hatred is more important than the ability to engage in (and win) rational debate. The victors are those who succeed in getting the masses to spit their hatred at "them" - at the Tories, at Westminster, at "Red Tories". It's not enough to disagree with those who have different political views; you must hate them.


    http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/all-you-need-is-hate.html
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited October 2015
    That really is a great article from Rawnsley. Some lovely quotes and anecdotes. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/04/jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-determined-hang-on-leadership
    One impressively sparky member of the 2015 intake remarked: “When I was elected I was worried that I would be labelled hard left. Now I seem to be centre-right.” Although sponsored by one of the most leftwing of the trade unions, this MP reported that she was already getting some trouble from activists in her constituency party for displaying insufficient levels of dedication to Corbynism
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    ThreeQuidder said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    ydoethur said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 86, Le Mans doesn't get much coverage either. Excepting F1, no form of motorsport does.

    Why does BTCC not get coverage any more? It used to be the best and most thrilling form of motor racing.
    ITV4 show each race live; in fact they show virtually the entire day including support races. They can be great fun, and well worht a watch. There is also a highlights package of the races.

    This might just be an impression, but the BBC used to mention BTCC a little, whereas now it's on ITV it's like the sport no longer exists.

    http://www.itv.com/btcc
    Thank you. I had wondered.

    And now, as I said on the last thread, I have to go back to school and carry on working. Have a nice weekend everyone.
    My sympathies. I saw your rant. Another public service being hollowed out by excessive inspection regimes (that are not even effective - having been part of 2 CQC visits).
    There is something wrong with the system if a single teacher is spending a single minute preparing for an Ofsted inspection.
    My wife worked admin in a junior school for 10 years. She said OFSTED it was the stuff of nightmares and the outcomes rarely matched realities. for example She and teachers had to use other children to translate to the children that could not speak English of which there were many. Much of the schools resources were then directed at this issue amongst many other similar situations.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    ThreeQuidder said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    ydoethur said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 86, Le Mans doesn't get much coverage either. Excepting F1, no form of motorsport does.

    Why does BTCC not get coverage any more? It used to be the best and most thrilling form of motor racing.
    ITV4 show each race live; in fact they show virtually the entire day including support races. They can be great fun, and well worht a watch. There is also a highlights package of the races.

    This might just be an impression, but the BBC used to mention BTCC a little, whereas now it's on ITV it's like the sport no longer exists.

    http://www.itv.com/btcc
    Thank you. I had wondered.

    And now, as I said on the last thread, I have to go back to school and carry on working. Have a nice weekend everyone.
    My sympathies. I saw your rant. Another public service being hollowed out by excessive inspection regimes (that are not even effective - having been part of 2 CQC visits).
    There is something wrong with the system if a single teacher is spending a single minute preparing for an Ofsted inspection.
    The only soluton to that is sudden unannounced inspections. Why would that be a bad thing?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    If Scotland has been drained of so much cash you would think it would be possible to form a group of industry types to form a pro independence business body that wast just a flimsy cabal of low level property spivs who reported directly to Sturgeon's hubby.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    TGOHF said:

    Buyers remorse ??

    @IsabelOakeshott: Delighted by Sunday Times coverage of #CallMeDave today. They focus on policy content http://t.co/CiQHYcp64L

    What a pathetic response from her. Her pretence of surprise and annoyance that the media focused on the most lurid accusations rather than her glorious work elsewhere in thebook is so false it leaves me breathless with indignation on the medias behalf - she knew goddamn well what the reaction would be and cannot genuinely have thought otherwise, so she either wanted the reaction or was prepared for it.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Plato_Says said:

    That really is a great article from Rawnsley. Some lovely quotes and anecdotes. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/04/jeremy-corbyn-john-mcdonnell-determined-hang-on-leadership

    One impressively sparky member of the 2015 intake remarked: “When I was elected I was worried that I would be labelled hard left. Now I seem to be centre-right.” Although sponsored by one of the most leftwing of the trade unions, this MP reported that she was already getting some trouble from activists in her constituency party for displaying insufficient levels of dedication to Corbynism
    Andrew Rawnsley is halfway there. But he doesn't seem to appreciate that Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell are following a clear strategy which makes all of their behaviour fall into place.

    Once you realise that their primary goal is not to win the next election, everything falls into place.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Incidentally, is there a way to filter out the tedious repetitive ramblings of two or three individuals in the comments? I Google and it appears that Vanilla does have an Ignore function but it looks like it needs to be implemented by the site administrator.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Moses_ said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    ydoethur said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 86, Le Mans doesn't get much coverage either. Excepting F1, no form of motorsport does.

    Why does BTCC not get coverage any more? It used to be the best and most thrilling form of motor racing.
    ITV4 show each race live; in fact they show virtually the entire day including support races. They can be great fun, and well worht a watch. There is also a highlights package of the races.

    This might just be an impression, but the BBC used to mention BTCC a little, whereas now it's on ITV it's like the sport no longer exists.

    http://www.itv.com/btcc
    Thank you. I had wondered.

    And now, as I said on the last thread, I have to go back to school and carry on working. Have a nice weekend everyone.
    My sympathies. I saw your rant. Another public service being hollowed out by excessive inspection regimes (that are not even effective - having been part of 2 CQC visits).
    There is something wrong with the system if a single teacher is spending a single minute preparing for an Ofsted inspection.
    My wife worked admin in a junior school for 10 years. She said OFSTED it was the stuff of nightmares and the outcomes rarely matched realities. for example She and teachers had to use other children to translate to the children that could not speak English of which there were many. Much of the schools resources were then directed at this issue amongst many other similar situations.
    Junior school as in ages 7 to 11? Why are there "many" children who can't speak English? Is it a Welsh school?
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    foxinsoxuk said:

    ydoethur said:

    JosiasJessop said:

    ydoethur said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. 86, Le Mans doesn't get much coverage either. Excepting F1, no form of motorsport does.

    Why does BTCC not get coverage any more? It used to be the best and most thrilling form of motor racing.
    ITV4 show each race live; in fact they show virtually the entire day including support races. They can be great fun, and well worht a watch. There is also a highlights package of the races.

    This might just be an impression, but the BBC used to mention BTCC a little, whereas now it's on ITV it's like the sport no longer exists.

    http://www.itv.com/btcc
    Thank you. I had wondered.

    And now, as I said on the last thread, I have to go back to school and carry on working. Have a nice weekend everyone.
    My sympathies. I saw your rant. Another public service being hollowed out by excessive inspection regimes (that are not even effective - having been part of 2 CQC visits).
    There is something wrong with the system if a single teacher is spending a single minute preparing for an Ofsted inspection.
    The only soluton to that is sudden unannounced inspections. Why would that be a bad thing?
    Bad for whom?
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