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  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Best set of eyebrows in the house, RIP.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,368
    edited 2015 03
    Farewell Healey, a decent politician.

    Lancaster will be looking for another job. No real surprise, two opensides beat two blindside flankers as we all knew they would do.

    We didn't have Armitage, Wade, Cipriani, Tuilagi or Corbisiero for various reasons. Robshaw gave 100% but ... the back row were big blobs.

    Australia were better.

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,015
    Let it never again be said that the English never do anything for the celtic nations.

    Thank you. We're through to the quarter finals. The English should remind everyone of it the next time there's a referendum.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited 2015 03
    Well this will cheer everyone up.... well me anyway...

    2 Injured Hotspurs Scrap Heap 385
    3 Weedol Colin D 373
    4 The Four Canals Screaming Eagles 371
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 03
    There might be a by-election in Edinburgh West if these revelations about Thomson continue.
    The SNP have already thrown her out, the question is when will she be forced to resign.

    The SNP have a small majority but against the LD who have disintegrated completely in scotland since the election.
    It will be an interesting race to see if the SNP can hold in the midst of a scandal and where will the LD vote go.

    Goodnight.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Speedy said:

    There might be a by-election in Edinburgh West if these revelations about Thomson continue.
    The SNP have already thrown her out, the question is when will she be forced to resign.

    The SNP have a small majority but against the LD who have disintegrated completely in scotland since the election.
    It will be an interesting race to see if the SNP can hold in the midst of a scandal and where will the LD vote go.

    Goodnight.

    I heard today that one of the reasons the SNP were so lax in their vetting of Ms Thomson is they didn't actually think she would win
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    I think I shall be supporting Wales for the rest of the tournament, given its a strongly pro-British home nation.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    When did England's forwards/scrum become so bad. Losing so many scrums was worse than the final scoreline.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Andrew Stiles ‏@AndrewStilesUSA Oct 2
    Over the last 10 days, Obama’s top advisers on cyber-security, ISIS, and Russia have all resigned. http://freebeacon.com/national-security/top-obama-cyber-security-adviser-quietly-leaves-post-at-white-house/

    Probably can no longer stand the stench of betrayal that Obama gives off.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,047
    Speedy said:

    There might be a by-election in Edinburgh West if these revelations about Thomson continue.
    The SNP have already thrown her out, the question is when will she be forced to resign.

    The SNP have a small majority but against the LD who have disintegrated completely in scotland since the election.
    It will be an interesting race to see if the SNP can hold in the midst of a scandal and where will the LD vote go.

    Goodnight.

    Frankly it feels surprising the Lds were as close as they were in May, especially looking at the decline in the previous election.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    Dair said:

    It should also be pointed out that because of how the funding works for British Cycling (and all Team GB Olympic Sports), they do not care about anything except the Olympic cycle and have always performed far worse at interim world champs than at the subsequent Olympics.

    I guess that's why the TeamGB athletes only got 7 medals at this year's World Champs when they got 6 at the London Olympics

    Oh, wait...
    At the 2012 Olympics, GB got 7 Gold, 1 Silver, 1 Bronze in Track Cycling out of a possible 10 medals (as they are limited to one competitor per event and there are only 10 events.

    At the 2015 UCI Track Cycling World Championships, GB got 0 golds, 3 silvers and 0 bronze. The Worlds have 19 events, where GB can enter more than 1 entrant per event.

    Do you just make your spew up?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    Speedy said:

    There might be a by-election in Edinburgh West if these revelations about Thomson continue.
    The SNP have already thrown her out, the question is when will she be forced to resign.

    The SNP have a small majority but against the LD who have disintegrated completely in scotland since the election.
    It will be an interesting race to see if the SNP can hold in the midst of a scandal and where will the LD vote go.

    Goodnight.

    I heard today that one of the reasons the SNP were so lax in their vetting of Ms Thomson is they didn't actually think she would win
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/13801245.Michelle_Thomson_has_destroyed_the_SNP_s_image_of_itself/?ref=mr&lp=5

    Senior ministers may now be regretting some of the glowing election endorsements they provided before the election, including Social Justice Secretary Alex Neil, who said Ms Thomson understood "how business can be used to support social justice".
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Dair said:

    in Track Cycling

    Athletics...

    Do try and keep up.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,047
    JEO said:

    I think I shall be supporting Wales for the rest of the tournament, given its a strongly pro-British home nation.

    I always go England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland in order of support when it comes to sport with no British contingent.

    Good night
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Scott_P said:

    Speedy said:

    There might be a by-election in Edinburgh West if these revelations about Thomson continue.
    The SNP have already thrown her out, the question is when will she be forced to resign.

    The SNP have a small majority but against the LD who have disintegrated completely in scotland since the election.
    It will be an interesting race to see if the SNP can hold in the midst of a scandal and where will the LD vote go.

    Goodnight.

    I heard today that one of the reasons the SNP were so lax in their vetting of Ms Thomson is they didn't actually think she would win
    Why is she suddenly "Ms" Thomson? Has her husband left her too?
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Dair said:

    It should also be pointed out that because of how the funding works for British Cycling (and all Team GB Olympic Sports), they do not care about anything except the Olympic cycle and have always performed far worse at interim world champs than at the subsequent Olympics.

    I guess that's why the TeamGB athletes only got 7 medals at this year's World Champs when they got 6 at the London Olympics

    Oh, wait...
    At the 2012 Olympics, GB got 7 Gold, 1 Silver, 1 Bronze in Track Cycling out of a possible 10 medals (as they are limited to one competitor per event and there are only 10 events.

    At the 2015 UCI Track Cycling World Championships, GB got 0 golds, 3 silvers and 0 bronze. The Worlds have 19 events, where GB can enter more than 1 entrant per event.

    Do you just make your spew up?
    I think he was referring to track & field...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TGOHF said:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/13801245.Michelle_Thomson_has_destroyed_the_SNP_s_image_of_itself/?ref=mr&lp=5

    Senior ministers may now be regretting some of the glowing election endorsements they provided before the election, including Social Justice Secretary Alex Neil, who said Ms Thomson understood "how business can be used to support social justice".

    Good old Pete Wishart, the SNP MP for Zoomer North and Runrig
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739

    Well this will cheer everyone up.... well me anyway...

    2 Injured Hotspurs Scrap Heap 385
    3 Weedol Colin D 373
    4 The Four Canals Screaming Eagles 371

    Half my team plays tomorrow.

    Don't go all IOS on me, calling the result before the final whistle.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,135
    Indeed and Healey did not defect to the SDP. However, kudos to Owen for paying tribute to him tonight nonetheless. Night
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    There might be a by-election in Edinburgh West if these revelations about Thomson continue.
    The SNP have already thrown her out, the question is when will she be forced to resign.

    The SNP have a small majority but against the LD who have disintegrated completely in scotland since the election.
    It will be an interesting race to see if the SNP can hold in the midst of a scandal and where will the LD vote go.

    Goodnight.

    Frankly it feels surprising the Lds were as close as they were in May, especially looking at the decline in the previous election.
    The Tory vote went from 10,767 to 6,732 so it is fairly reasonable to think that those Tories shored up a huge chunk of Mike Crockart's vote in 2015, he only lost 2,000 so someone was voting for him who wasn't previously compared to the national swing.

    The SNP came from fourth on 6,115 to win with 21,378. a majority of 8%

    The Liberals will not win the by election. Especially if the SNP put up Michael Stewart who is the candidate they really should have had in the first place.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Dair said:

    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    There might be a by-election in Edinburgh West if these revelations about Thomson continue.
    The SNP have already thrown her out, the question is when will she be forced to resign.

    The SNP have a small majority but against the LD who have disintegrated completely in scotland since the election.
    It will be an interesting race to see if the SNP can hold in the midst of a scandal and where will the LD vote go.

    Goodnight.

    Frankly it feels surprising the Lds were as close as they were in May, especially looking at the decline in the previous election.
    The Tory vote went from 10,767 to 6,732 so it is fairly reasonable to think that those Tories shored up a huge chunk of Mike Crockart's vote in 2015, he only lost 2,000 so someone was voting for him who wasn't previously compared to the national swing.

    The SNP came from fourth on 6,115 to win with 21,378. a majority of 8%

    The Liberals will not win the by election. Especially if the SNP put up Michael Stewart who is the candidate they really should have had in the first place.
    Michael Stewart the headcase ex footballer ?.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    Dair said:

    in Track Cycling

    Athletics...

    Do try and keep up.
    So I was talking about Track Cycling and you give an example from Athletics? WTF. Try to keep on topic with whatever sloppy seconds are dribbling out the corner of your mouth..
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Dair said:

    in Track Cycling

    Athletics...

    Do try and keep up.
    So I was talking about Track Cycling and you give an example from Athletics? WTF. Try to keep on topic with whatever sloppy seconds are dribbling out the corner of your mouth..
    You said "British Cycling (and all Team GB Olympic Sports)".
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    If either Chris Grayling, Liam Fox or Owen Paterson become Tory leader, I'm quitting the party and properly setting up The New Fiscally Dry, Socially Liberal, not obsessed by the gays and Europe Conservative Party
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069

    Well this will cheer everyone up.... well me anyway...

    2 Injured Hotspurs Scrap Heap 385
    3 Weedol Colin D 373
    4 The Four Canals Screaming Eagles 371

    Half my team plays tomorrow.

    Don't go all IOS on me, calling the result before the final whistle.
    Live for the moment I say....

    My Spurs superstars haven't had their game yet either so that's a point each for turning up at least...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Dair said:

    So I was talking about Track Cycling

    Which part of all Team GB Olympic Sports confused you? You wrote it !
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BestoftheMail: A gracious response from Jessica - literally taking her ball with her and going home #ENGvsAUS http://t.co/RQw4etIzNH
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069

    If either Chris Grayling, Liam Fox or Owen Paterson become Tory leader, I'm quitting the party and properly setting up The New Fiscally Dry, Socially Liberal, not obsessed by the gays and Europe Conservative Party

    x2
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    If either Chris Grayling, Liam Fox or Owen Paterson become Tory leader, I'm quitting the party and properly setting up The New Fiscally Dry, Socially Liberal, not obsessed by the gays and Europe Conservative Party

    How much will the subs be? I'll join if they are reasonable.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Opposition politicians urged the SNP to investigate the involvement of Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross MP Paul Monaghan in a home for the elderly, which faced allegations of ill-treatment of residents and sexual harassment of staff.

    A press report into the incident, published in June 1995, said action was taken after Monaghan and his parents were given an ultimatum to agree to the social workers coming in or the residents would be moved out.
    Read more: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/snp-selection-under-fire-over-second-mp-1-3906656#ixzz3nY5GojkP
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    If either Chris Grayling, Liam Fox or Owen Paterson become Tory leader, I'm quitting the party and properly setting up The New Fiscally Dry, Socially Liberal, not obsessed by the gays and Europe Conservative Party

    I thought we were up and going already?
    Perhaps you should re-post the application form here now for more members

    As I recall it was a single multiple choice question:

    Mark Reckless is a:
    a) Treacherous
    b) Pig-Dog
    c) Both of the above
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Some of that lot have got as good a chance of winning the Grand National as becoming next Conservative leader. Earth calling Tory MPs...
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Anna Soubry as leader would definitely cause me to resign my membership.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    GeoffM said:

    If either Chris Grayling, Liam Fox or Owen Paterson become Tory leader, I'm quitting the party and properly setting up The New Fiscally Dry, Socially Liberal, not obsessed by the gays and Europe Conservative Party

    I thought we were up and going already?
    Perhaps you should re-post the application form here now for more members

    As I recall it was a single multiple choice question:

    Mark Reckless is a:
    a) Treacherous
    b) Pig-Dog
    c) Both of the above
    I'm going to do the morning thread on that, and will try and post a link to application forms in said thread.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,640
    The above quote isn't in Wikiquote:

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Denis_Healey
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Dair said:

    in Track Cycling

    Athletics...

    Do try and keep up.
    So I was talking about Track Cycling and you give an example from Athletics? WTF. Try to keep on topic with whatever sloppy seconds are dribbling out the corner of your mouth..
    You said "British Cycling (and all Team GB Olympic Sports)".
    And that is true. All Team GB Olympic Sports are only focused on the Olympics because that is the primary measure for their funding. A good Olympics means your funding is secure or increased.

    If you are a failing sport (and Athletics is a failing sport which barely hit a low-ball target for London 2012) you can use your intermediate Worlds to either support the case that you are making progress or attempt to argue that the Olympic measure was too harsh.

    The first one usually helps, the second doesn't.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    antifrank said:

    Some of that lot have got as good a chance of winning the Grand National as becoming next Conservative leader. Earth calling Tory MPs...
    The article says "You’re going to have more runners than the Grand National"
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    JEO said:

    Anna Soubry as leader would definitely cause me to resign my membership.

    I'd join just to leave with you.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    JEO said:

    Anna Soubry as leader would definitely cause me to resign my membership.

    Anna Soubry is great.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    antifrank said:

    Some of that lot have got as good a chance of winning the Grand National as becoming next Conservative leader. Earth calling Tory MPs...
    The article says "You’re going to have more runners than the Grand National"
    And as many fallers at the first fence.

    Roughly half of that list would struggle to be recognised in a mirror.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    The best quote from that Sunday Times article

    A second cabinet minister said: “There will be three candidates. George, the ‘stop George’ candidate, and whoever George runs as the ‘stop-stop-George’ candidate.”
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    antifrank said:

    Roughly half of that list would struggle to be recognised in a mirror.

    And yet they could still reasonably expect to beat Corbyn at a canter...
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited 2015 03
    “One of the most insensitive know-alls of British politics” - Roy Jenkins

    I didn't like the guy, either, I'm afraid...

    Must have had good genes though. His father lived to be 92, his mother 99.

    Putting on a considerable amount of weight in middle age didn't seem to do him any harm at all, either.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,640
    Sgt. Sunil: Alright, sweethearts, you're a team and there's nothin' to worry about. We come here, and we're gonna conquer, and we're gonna kick some, is that understood? That's what we're gonna do, sweethearts, we are going to go and get some. All right, people, on the ready line! Are ya lean?

    PB Tories: Yeah!

    Sgt. Sunil: Are ya mean?

    PB Tories: Yeah!

    Sgt. Sunil: WHAT ARE YOU?

    PB Tories: Lean and mean!

    Sgt. Sunil: WHAT ARE YOU? RobD! TSE! Get on the ready line, PB Tories, get some today! Get on the ready line! Move it out! Move it out, goddammit! Get hot! One, two, three, four! Get out, get out, get out! Move it out, move it out, move it out! Move it out, move it out, move it out! One, two, three, four, five, six, seven! Aaarrrrr, absolutely badasses! Let's pack 'em in! Get in there!
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    The above quote isn't in Wikiquote:

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Denis_Healey

    So add it, it's not as if its carved in stone, unlike Ed 's proclamations.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    I can't believe people in modern Britain are being driven from their homes for religious conversion in this day and age:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258159/Asian-family-converted-Christianity-driven-home-Muslim-persecutors.html
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @RobBurl: Tomorrow on #Marr David Cameron, Len McCluskey, Mark Rylance, Matthew Parris, Helen Lewis and a last trip on the scooter. #marrshow
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RodCrosby said:

    “One of the most insensitive know-alls of British politics” - Roy Jenkins

    I didn't like the guy, either, I'm afraid...

    Must have had good genes though. His father lived to be 92, his mother 99.

    Putting on a considerable amount of weight in middle age didn't seem to do him any harm at all, either.

    quem di diligunt adulescens moritur

    He whom the gods love dies young.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245

    Sgt. Sunil: Alright, sweethearts, you're a team and there's nothin' to worry about. We come here, and we're gonna conquer, and we're gonna kick some, is that understood? That's what we're gonna do, sweethearts, we are going to go and get some. All right, people, on the ready line! Are ya lean?

    PB Tories: Yeah!

    Sgt. Sunil: Are ya mean?

    PB Tories: Yeah!

    Sgt. Sunil: WHAT ARE YOU?

    PB Tories: Lean and mean!

    Sgt. Sunil: WHAT ARE YOU? RobD! TSE! Get on the ready line, PB Tories, get some today! Get on the ready line! Move it out! Move it out, goddammit! Get hot! One, two, three, four! Get out, get out, get out! Move it out, move it out, move it out! Move it out, move it out, move it out! One, two, three, four, five, six, seven! Aaarrrrr, absolutely badasses! Let's pack 'em in! Get in there!

    There's a reason you're still a virgin.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    saddened said:

    So add it, it's not as if its carved in stone, unlike Ed 's proclamations.

    Just becuase they are carved in stone, doesn't mean they won't be broken...

    Copyright, Lucy Powell MP
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited 2015 03
    Scott_P said:

    Opposition politicians urged the SNP to investigate the involvement of Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross MP Paul Monaghan in a home for the elderly, which faced allegations of ill-treatment of residents and sexual harassment of staff.

    A press report into the incident, published in June 1995, said action was taken after Monaghan and his parents were given an ultimatum to agree to the social workers coming in or the residents would be moved out.
    Read more: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/snp-selection-under-fire-over-second-mp-1-3906656#ixzz3nY5GojkP

    You missed out the best part : -

    Monaghan was also involved in a more recent controversy. In 2008 he resigned from his post as head of planning and development at Northern Constabulary before he was due to face a disciplinary hearing.

    Monaghan was accused of circulating an unflattering email about the force’s then chief constable, Ian Latimer, suggesting he had lost the respect and support of his staff.


    Oh Loyalists, you should be reading your Burns.

    O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
    To see oursels as ithers see us!
    It wad frae mony a blunder free us,
    An' foolish notion
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    JEO said:

    Anna Soubry as leader would definitely cause me to resign my membership.

    Anna Soubry is great.
    She has only done two thinks of any merit ever, but they were both defeating NPxMPx2.

    And for that we owe her a massive debt.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,015

    The best quote from that Sunday Times article

    A second cabinet minister said: “There will be three candidates. George, the ‘stop George’ candidate, and whoever George runs as the ‘stop-stop-George’ candidate.”

    Bit like with IDS in 2001 then. Although Portillo probably didn't realise he was the stop IDS candidate and neither did Clarke know he was the stop-stop-IDS candidate.

    Under-estimated is IDS.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    GeoffM said:

    JEO said:

    Anna Soubry as leader would definitely cause me to resign my membership.

    Anna Soubry is great.
    She has only done two thinks of any merit ever, but they were both defeating NPxMPx2.

    And for that we owe her a massive debt.
    I love her because she manages to enrage Farage and the Kippers.

    And us fellow Pro-EU Tories have to stick together.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,693
    JEO said:

    I can't believe people in modern Britain are being driven from their homes for religious conversion in this day and age:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258159/Asian-family-converted-Christianity-driven-home-Muslim-persecutors.html

    Sadly, this is so normal in Northern Ireland that most people don't even try to live with the other Christians.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Dair said:

    Oh Loyalists

    @MichaelPDeacon: The Cybernats really need to raise their game now the Corbynistas are in town. They're being comprehensively outfuckwitted

    Never on PB

    As long as Dair has breath in his body, "they may take our lives but they will never take our fuckwittery!"
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    JEO said:

    I can't believe people in modern Britain are being driven from their homes for religious conversion in this day and age:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258159/Asian-family-converted-Christianity-driven-home-Muslim-persecutors.html

    I am really not sure why you can't believe it, I'm afraid to say.
    Unfortunately here's nothing in the slightest surprising about that article.

    (although I suspect you meant that phrase figuratively rather than literally)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,830
    antifrank said:

    Some of that lot have got as good a chance of winning the Grand National as becoming next Conservative leader. Earth calling Tory MPs...
    Some of these people must have very long suffering friends: "Of course, my dear, you could be leader."
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Trump continues to fall in the polls. Let's hope he is good to his word when he said last week that if he fell too far, he'd drop out of the race. Headline Carson 24, Trump 17, Rubio 11:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,842
    Dennis Healey's daughter was my teacher in my final year at primary school. She had her Dad's eyebrows. He was a true great. A life well lived. RIP.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,830
    Betting wise: anyone know why Strictly come dancing bets have been suspended on Betfair?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    edited 2015 03

    Betting wise: anyone know why Strictly come dancing bets have been suspended on Betfair?

    Yes, the results are known around 10.30pm on a Saturday and the Sunday results show is filmed on a Saturday night.

    For example I always know who is in the bottom 2 and who has been sent home.

    Don't worry, I'm not posting spoilers
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    MTimT said:

    Trump continues to fall in the polls. Let's hope he is good to his word when he said last week that if he fell too far, he'd drop out of the race. Headline Carson 24, Trump 17, Rubio 11:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

    Carson could take control of the race for a short while, if Trump continues to fall while he is broadly level.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,830

    Betting wise: anyone know why Strictly come dancing bets have been suspended on Betfair?

    Yes, the results are known around 10.30pm on a Saturday and the Sunday results show is filmed on a Saturday night.

    For example I always know who is in the bottom 2 and who has been sent home.

    Don't worry, I'm not posting spoilers
    Ok, thanks. So basically everyone gets Sunday off.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    edited 2015 03

    Betting wise: anyone know why Strictly come dancing bets have been suspended on Betfair?

    Yes, the results are known around 10.30pm on a Saturday and the Sunday results show is filmed on a Saturday night.

    For example I always know who is in the bottom 2 and who has been sent home.

    Don't worry, I'm not posting spoilers
    Ok, thanks. So basically everyone gets Sunday off.
    Following the BBC phone vote/competition scandal a few years ago, the only people who work on Sunday is the people who check all the votes were processed properly.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,830

    MTimT said:

    Trump continues to fall in the polls. Let's hope he is good to his word when he said last week that if he fell too far, he'd drop out of the race. Headline Carson 24, Trump 17, Rubio 11:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

    Carson could take control of the race for a short while, if Trump continues to fall while he is broadly level.
    Oh dear god. It just gets worse.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,830

    Betting wise: anyone know why Strictly come dancing bets have been suspended on Betfair?

    Yes, the results are known around 10.30pm on a Saturday and the Sunday results show is filmed on a Saturday night.

    For example I always know who is in the bottom 2 and who has been sent home.

    Don't worry, I'm not posting spoilers
    Ok, thanks. So basically everyone gets Sunday off.
    Following the BBC phone vote/competition scandal a few years ago, the only people who work on Sunday is the people who check all the votes were processed properly.
    Sounds like a job for the Labour party's back-office.
  • Steven_WhaleySteven_Whaley Posts: 313



    I love her because she manages to enrage Farage and the Kippers.

    And us fellow Pro-EU Tories have to stick together.

    She constructively take the kippers to task on their arguments as well as pointing at them and laughing - and she usually performs both tasks at the same time. Soubry is by far my favourite Conservative MP.

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited 2015 04
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    edited 2015 04



    I love her because she manages to enrage Farage and the Kippers.

    And us fellow Pro-EU Tories have to stick together.

    She constructively take the kippers to task on their arguments as well as pointing at them and laughing - and she usually performs both tasks at the same time. Soubry is by far my favourite Conservative MP.

    I just watched her talking on QT, to see if you were right:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bclh43hAhwU

    She attacks Farage for blaming the 'stranger' and being 'prejudiced' playing the same false racist card. She claims they come here to work, and while that may be true of the vast majority - should we not force the EU to mandate that they have a job lined up on arrival? Even that little reform seems too difficult for the ancient machinery and doesn't fit their usual solution to everything, federalism or more Europe.
    She stands shoulder-to-shoulder with white-vanman & England flag hating Emily Thornberry. This woman you speak of is not a Tory but an embarrassment.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    There might be a by-election in Edinburgh West if these revelations about Thomson continue.
    The SNP have already thrown her out, the question is when will she be forced to resign.

    The SNP have a small majority but against the LD who have disintegrated completely in scotland since the election.
    It will be an interesting race to see if the SNP can hold in the midst of a scandal and where will the LD vote go.

    Goodnight.

    Frankly it feels surprising the Lds were as close as they were in May, especially looking at the decline in the previous election.
    Mike Crockart was a good constituency mp, but the real problem for the LibDems in Edinburgh is their disastrous record in running the City of Edinburgh Council prior to the last local elections. I doubt if they will ever be forgiven.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233

    If either Chris Grayling, Liam Fox or Owen Paterson become Tory leader, I'm quitting the party and properly setting up The New Fiscally Dry, Socially Liberal, not obsessed by the gays and Europe Conservative Party

    x2
    Bunch of splitters. :D
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,640

    GeoffM said:

    JEO said:

    Anna Soubry as leader would definitely cause me to resign my membership.

    Anna Soubry is great.
    She has only done two thinks of any merit ever, but they were both defeating NPxMPx2.

    And for that we owe her a massive debt.
    I love her because she manages to enrage Farage and the Kippers.

    And us fellow Pro-EU Tories have to stick together.
    "Pro-EU Quislings" more like :)
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited 2015 04
    O/T

    ***** BETTING POST *****

    If Jamie Redknapp is correct in his claim that Jose Mourinho is losing the dressing room at Chelsea, then the Blues may struggle to finish in the top 6, let alone qualify for next season's Champions League by finishing 4th or better (always assuming England's allocation is not reduced to just three sides as has recently been suggested). There is simply no way back for a manager once this tipping point has been reached, yet it's difficult to imagine The Special One being sacked, especially at this early stage of the season.
    In such circumstances, PBers may wish to consider LAYING Chelsea against them finishing in the top 6, currently available with the Betfair Exchange at 1.15, equivalent to odds of 5.38/1 in old money, net of 5% commission.
    As ever, DYOR.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pauly said:



    I love her because she manages to enrage Farage and the Kippers.

    And us fellow Pro-EU Tories have to stick together.

    She constructively take the kippers to task on their arguments as well as pointing at them and laughing - and she usually performs both tasks at the same time. Soubry is by far my favourite Conservative MP.

    I just watched her talking on QT, to see if you were right:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bclh43hAhwU

    She attacks Farage for blaming the 'stranger' and being 'prejudiced' playing the same false racist card. She claims they come here to work, and while that may be true of the vast majority - should we not force the EU to mandate that they have a job lined up on arrival? Even that little reform seems too difficult for the ancient machinery and doesn't fit their usual solution to everything, federalism or more Europe.
    She stands shoulder-to-shoulder with white-vanman & England flag hating Emily Thornberry. This woman you speak of is not a Tory but an embarrassment.
    My favourite Tory MP too. Apart from Clarke, of course.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Dennis Healey's daughter was my teacher in my final year at primary school. She had her Dad's eyebrows. He was a true great. A life well lived. RIP.

    Who also happened to write perhaps the most enjoyable political autobiography.

    How many have already quoted the "dead sheep" ?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    SeanT said:

    Whoah. We've all heard these rumours but...

    https://twitter.com/moog_finger_pie/status/650438639109980160

    Is that conclusive?

    No. One of them is not wearing a tie !
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    OchEye said:

    kle4 said:

    Speedy said:

    There might be a by-election in Edinburgh West if these revelations about Thomson continue.
    The SNP have already thrown her out, the question is when will she be forced to resign.

    The SNP have a small majority but against the LD who have disintegrated completely in scotland since the election.
    It will be an interesting race to see if the SNP can hold in the midst of a scandal and where will the LD vote go.

    Goodnight.

    Frankly it feels surprising the Lds were as close as they were in May, especially looking at the decline in the previous election.
    Mike Crockart was a good constituency mp, but the real problem for the LibDems in Edinburgh is their disastrous record in running the City of Edinburgh Council prior to the last local elections. I doubt if they will ever be forgiven.
    That never seemed to hurt Labour when it came to Glasgow elections, and Labour's running of Glasgow City Council would make just about anywhere else look like a model of Utopian efficiency and probity. Or are Glaswegians just somewhat less choosy?

    I would be surprised however if the SNP did not hold this seat in a by-election given the way things have developed in the last few months. Caithness and Sutherland, should that come about, might be a more marginal call.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    edited 2015 04
    Somewhat off-topic, but of interest to anyone who has a young family:
    More than half of teachers in England (53%) are thinking of quitting in the next two years, a survey has suggested.
    The survey, conducted by the National Union of Teachers, found 61% of those wanting to leave blamed workload and 57% desired a better work/life balance.
    Two thirds of the 1,020 primary and secondary school teachers questioned felt morale in the profession had declined over the past five years.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-34426598

    I'm not sure I trust this survey - but that's only because I find it scarcely believable that nearly half of teachers are planning to stay in the profession.

    Let's look at the problems in teaching:

    1) Workload. People on PB do not believe me when I tell them I routinely work around 70-80 hours per week. But I do. I worked five days, than yesterday I was in school working again, and today I go back in and will be continuing to work.

    2) OFSTED. Yes, I know Wilshaw has said OFSTED is not a factor in teacher disillusionment. However, it is, and unless he is as stupid as he looks he knows it is. The fact that he says otherwise therefore makes him either an idiot or a liar. Alas, OFSTED reflects his general incompetence. The reason I am working insane hours is because we are inspectingexpecting (Freudian slip) the goons, as we call them, in a few weeks. And unfortunately, it is not enough to prove that our results are excellent (which they are - among the best in the land for the last seven years, probably the best for a non-selective school) we have to somehow prove that we were responsible for them. That means endless extra paperwork to evidence planning, differentiation, outstanding marking, examples of peer and teacher dialogue and support, etc etc etc. If I didn't have to do all that rubbish, I would be working about 50-55 hours per week, which would be hard but acceptable. Unfortunately, OFSTED will ignore such evidence if it doesn't feel it fits a preconceived narrative. Nothing is more soul-destroying than doing a good job and being told off for being rubbish by some talentless mediocrity who got a job because of their political connections (I'm looking at you, Wilshaw, but also thinking of dear old Woodenhead).

    3) The abolition of university ITT courses. The idea that they were a hotbed of radicalism is bunkum. True, the lecturers tended to be leftwing, but the students were not (until Gove came along and converted us). What they did provide was a straightforward, well-supported way into teaching. SCITT does not - there are no resources, no chance to mingle with other students in your course, and a distinct lack of help with careers.
    (continued)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    (continued)
    4) The age of teachers - a great number are in their late fifties. As they get on the whole pretty good salaries and pensions, they will shortly be joining doctors in getting out while the going is good, leaving a vast gap.

    5) Exams. The changes to exams, although in many ways a dramatic improvement on what has gone before, have been rushed in (attempting to beat the Conservatives' expected ejection from office last May) and are in an organisational mess. We still do not have final SoWs for the new GCSE - in Maths, the most vital of subjects, they don't even have draft SoWs yet. Meanwhile, in roughly 30% of schools (including mine) teaching on the new courses began last month. What am I supposed to teach them? Horrible Histories and chess? It would have been much better to delay them 18 months and get it right.

    Classroom assistants are filling the gap (and teaching unions can rant and rail all they want, I admire classroom assistants and have no problem with them covering my lessons from time to time). But it isn't fair on them, or the children, to expect them to fill in permanently. Therefore, at some point, we will have a massive implosion of the education system. That will be particularly bad for the large numbers of children currently working through it (a bit of a population bulge about to hit secondary - we've just had our busiest ever open event, and a colleague in Walsall was similarly overwhelmed the other night).

    Politically speaking, this should be a gift to Labour as all of the above are wholly unforced errors from the Cameron governments. But with the EdStone's creator shadowing education, Labour have as much chance of making capital out of education as Corbyn has of getting my vote (none). That also means that there is unlikely to be redress for us as no government will admit disastrous mistakes and rectify them unless it is forced to.

    Nasty business, and I feel sorry for parents and above all for the children who have to deal with the damaging results.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    This union poll is a load of doo doo. Bound to be full of leading questions. It's the same nonsense as the doctors stuff
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited 2015 04
    oh And Sean T and I were both right England not good enough and were stuffed
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