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edited September 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Whatever the veracity of the story this could stick to “Call me Dave”

As I mentioned in my last post I’ve been driving back from the South of France and only this afternoon did I start to catch up with the story. Nobody really knows whether this is true or not or whether there is more to come out. My guess is that there could be.

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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited September 2015
    1st!
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    where is everyone? I think I will go and have a bath whilst I wait
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    5th .....
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    6th
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    If this goes on the BBC and SKY won't have any newspaper frontpages to read.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited September 2015
    OMG! somebody else has turned up
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    New Zogby national poll - Trump widens his lead for the GOP nomination

    Trump 33% (+ 2%).
    Carson 13% (-3%)
    Bush 9% (-)
    Fiorina 7% (+5%)
    Cruz 5% (+1%)
    Rubio 4% (-)
    Paul 4% (-)
    Kasich 4% (-)
    Christie 3%. (-)
    Walker 2% (-3%)
    Huckabee 2% (-2%).
    http://www.zogbyanalytics.com/news/649-zogby-poll-trump-widens-lead-after-gop-debate
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,786
    bah speedy! Everyone else was holding off posting!
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Anyone shagging animals tonight?
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Omnium said:

    bah speedy! Everyone else was holding off posting!

    :):)
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    No one noticed the new thread
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    This is more a story for Mock the Week and Hislop and Merton than giving Cameron any serious damage
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    I'm about to have a bacon sandwich...
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    MTimT said:

    No one noticed the new thread

    Tut tut! Mike needs TSE's "New thread" announcement
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Seems that Alex Massie believes there will be a Tory surge in Scotland based on them being able to appeal to the middle ground Devo Maxers.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/is-labour-still-a-unionist-party/

    Shame that the middle ground may well not exist any more.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    GIN1138 said:

    I'm about to have a bacon sandwich...

    I had one of those for lunch and very nice it was :D
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Anyone shagging animals tonight?

    I don't think they use live animals in baseball practice. ;)
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Well at least the biggest humanitarian disaster ( according to Bigjohnowls) has blown over and is now solved

    Can you imagine the thousands turning up,otherwise...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Meanwhile Hillary expands her lead for the Democratic nomination over Sanders with CNN nationally

    Clinton 42% (+5%)
    Sanders 24% (-3%)
    Biden 22% (+2%)
    O'Malley 1%

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/21/politics/hillary-clinton-leads-bernie-sanders-2016/index.html
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    Another Ian Dale book just published - not making quite the same splash as the Ashcroft book !! - but an excellent behind the scenes insight into the Better Together campaign by Joe Pike:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Project-Fear-Unlikely-Alliance-Kingdom/dp/1849549311/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1442865112&sr=1-1
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    HYUFD said:

    This is more a story for Mock the Week and Hislop and Merton than giving Cameron any serious damage

    Guido will want to get a return on investment for the pig costume.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu1ssuBaAGM

    The lefties will be trading their V Masks in for Pig Masks and using the latter for years to come.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,786
    HYUFD said:

    New Zogby national poll - Trump widens his lead for the GOP nomination

    Trump 33% (+ 2%).
    Carson 13% (-3%)
    Bush 9% (-)
    Fiorina 7% (+5%)
    Cruz 5% (+1%)
    Rubio 4% (-)
    Paul 4% (-)
    Kasich 4% (-)
    Christie 3%. (-)
    Walker 2% (-3%)
    Huckabee 2% (-2%).
    http://www.zogbyanalytics.com/news/649-zogby-poll-trump-widens-lead-after-gop-debate

    Carson is probably toast.

    I've backed Fiorina, and I still think she has the best chance amongst them.

    I'm sure Trump has some good qualities, but he hides them very effectively. The 'anyone but Trump' vote has to be sufficient to kick him out.



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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308
    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.
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    HYUFD said:

    This is more a story for Mock the Week and Hislop and Merton than giving Cameron any serious damage

    The book title is also a give away as far as the motives are concerned since its recorded by the times political writer I believe that the only PM to say to staff 'call me.... ' was Gordon Brown. It never even applied to 'call me Tony'. So the title is tellingly false. Does it refer to another 'Dave'? Is it a case of mistaken identity?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is more a story for Mock the Week and Hislop and Merton than giving Cameron any serious damage

    Guido will want to get a return on investment for the pig costume.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu1ssuBaAGM

    The lefties will be trading their V Masks in for Pig Masks and using the latter for years to come.
    Indeed, original as ever
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Guess what Matt is about...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308
    edited September 2015
    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    This is more a story for Mock the Week and Hislop and Merton than giving Cameron any serious damage

    Guido will want to get a return on investment for the pig costume.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu1ssuBaAGM

    The lefties will be trading their V Masks in for Pig Masks and using the latter for years to come.
    Indeed, original as ever
    Perhaps, in the interests of verisimilitude, he should cut his head off and offer that? At least something would have been achieved.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Omnium said:

    HYUFD said:

    New Zogby national poll - Trump widens his lead for the GOP nomination

    Trump 33% (+ 2%).
    Carson 13% (-3%)
    Bush 9% (-)
    Fiorina 7% (+5%)
    Cruz 5% (+1%)
    Rubio 4% (-)
    Paul 4% (-)
    Kasich 4% (-)
    Christie 3%. (-)
    Walker 2% (-3%)
    Huckabee 2% (-2%).
    http://www.zogbyanalytics.com/news/649-zogby-poll-trump-widens-lead-after-gop-debate

    Carson is probably toast.

    I've backed Fiorina, and I still think she has the best chance amongst them.

    I'm sure Trump has some good qualities, but he hides them very effectively. The 'anyone but Trump' vote has to be sufficient to kick him out.



    I don't know, 3 months in and his lead shows no sign of shrinking. The NH poll posted in the last thread would suggest that Fiorina is his closest rival, but she is basically Romney in a skirt and I would still fancy Trump to beat her.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Scott_P said:

    Guess what Matt is about...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/matt/

    Predictable, but still good.
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    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    Getting your cock out whilst pissed as a dare seemed pretty much de rigueur amongst sports clubs at my university, particularly for initiations.

    Does that make it clever or funny?

    No, but these are very young men experiencing their first taste of freedom. Groups of them together do silly things that they later cringe in embarrassment when they recollect.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Dair said:

    Seems that Alex Massie believes there will be a Tory surge in Scotland based on them being able to appeal to the middle ground Devo Maxers.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/is-labour-still-a-unionist-party/

    Shame that the middle ground may well not exist any more.

    Well Comres and Yougov yesterday had the Scottish Tories over 20% compared to the 14% they got in May
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited September 2015
    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    I think it's reason 327 not to be associated with crazy cults or societies when young and ambitious.
    I too have some stories from university but nothing as bizarre as the secret societies and crazy cults you might watch in a trashy american movie or Oxford in the late 80's.
    Cameron's student life sounds like it should be part of a Stanley Kubrick film.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    edited September 2015

    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    Getting your cock out whilst pissed as a dare seemed pretty much de rigueur amongst sports clubs at my university, particularly for initiations.

    Does that make it clever or funny?

    No, but these are very young men experiencing their first taste of freedom. Groups of them together do silly things that they later cringe in embarrassment when they recollect.
    George W Bush did things that were just as stupid in the Skull and Bones society at Yale which were also widely recounted
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,047
    HYUFD said:

    This is more a story for Mock the Week and Hislop and Merton than giving Cameron any serious damage

    According to wiki Hislop may have been a former member of the Piers Gaveston society and at the same time as Hugh Grant! I've always considered Cameron a rather boringly conventional type in the home counties mould. Leaving aside the credibility of the pig story, if he really was the member of a society named in honour of a 14th century French nobleman who allegedly had a homosexual affair with King Edward II, I might have to change my opinion of him.
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    JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Maybe we've all got that out of our systems we can start talking about actual policies now?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    Getting your cock out whilst pissed as a dare seemed pretty much de rigueur amongst sports clubs at my university, particularly for initiations.

    Does that make it clever or funny?

    No, but these are very young men experiencing their first taste of freedom. Groups of them together do silly things that they later cringe in embarrassment when they recollect.
    George W Bush did things that were just as stupid in the Skull and Bones society at Yale which were also widely recounted
    If you are trying to defend Cameron, then you are making things worse by comparing his behaviour with G.W.B.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    I am still trying to figure out how any man would get his privates into a dead pigs mouth. I would have thought that the mere idea would have made the "little gentleman" shrivel up as small as possible.
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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    Indeed, I'm surprised that the irony of Dave meeting the Danish PM earlier hasn't been picked up by the press, as Denmark has only recently outlawed it's bestiality brothels:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/32411241/denmark-passes-law-to-ban-bestiality

    I wonder if the chaps ever took their activities offshore ?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028

    HYUFD said:

    This is more a story for Mock the Week and Hislop and Merton than giving Cameron any serious damage

    The book title is also a give away as far as the motives are concerned since its recorded by the times political writer I believe that the only PM to say to staff 'call me.... ' was Gordon Brown. It never even applied to 'call me Tony'. So the title is tellingly false. Does it refer to another 'Dave'? Is it a case of mistaken identity?
    Indeed, it is a work of satire
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    JWisemann said:

    Maybe we've all got that out of our systems we can start talking about actual policies now?

    The Labour lady on DP this lunchtime gave a better argument for railway renationalisation than almost all posters on here who've tried. Although there were deep flaws in her arguments, it looks as if Labour are getting their attack lines rehearsed well.
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    I am still trying to figure out how any man would get his privates into a dead pigs mouth. I would have thought that the mere idea would have made the "little gentleman" shrivel up as small as possible.

    You can fit an apple easily inside a pigs mouth. If it did happen it was probably a quick dare: go on, pretend to put your todger in his mouth! ...WAAAAHHHHAYY!!! *take quick photo*

    Put it away, zip up, grab a pint, get your back slapped by your mates..

    Whole thing over in 10 seconds.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Seems that Alex Massie believes there will be a Tory surge in Scotland based on them being able to appeal to the middle ground Devo Maxers.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/is-labour-still-a-unionist-party/

    Shame that the middle ground may well not exist any more.

    Well Comres and Yougov yesterday had the Scottish Tories over 20% compared to the 14% they got in May
    Yesterday you wrote : -

    Comres is also clearly wrong on subsamples as there is no way the Tories are ahead in Wales, the North and London when they were not even ahead there at the general election.

    If you are going to be selective in your Pick'n'Mix reliance on tiny subsamples, you will need to at least be consistent.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,035
    edited September 2015

    I am still trying to figure out how any man would get his privates into a dead pigs mouth. I would have thought that the mere idea would have made the "little gentleman" shrivel up as small as possible.

    You're just saying that so a male poster will blurt out how it's done. ;)

    Edit. Ahem. Sorry Casino_Royale!
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited September 2015

    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    Getting your cock out whilst pissed as a dare seemed pretty much de rigueur amongst sports clubs at my university, particularly for initiations.

    Does that make it clever or funny?

    No, but these are very young men experiencing their first taste of freedom. Groups of them together do silly things that they later cringe in embarrassment when they recollect.
    That may be, but equally looking unflattering while eating a bacon sandwich is also de rigeur, yet people still laughed at it. We humans are nothing if not hypocritical.

    If this story was about Boris then it would probably wouldn't have much impact since he'd have other strengths to fall back on (likeability, humour). But Cameron's main stock in trade was his supposed stature and credibility as a statesman.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Speedy said:

    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    I think it's reason 327 not to be associated with crazy cults or societies when young and ambitious.
    I too have some stories from university but nothing as bizarre as the secret societies and crazy cults you might watch in a trashy american movie or Oxford in the late 80's.
    Cameron's student life sounds like it should be part of a Stanley Kubrick film.
    Yeah church every Sunday etc etc etc,

    You really are a knob. You just are.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    edited September 2015
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    Getting your cock out whilst pissed as a dare seemed pretty much de rigueur amongst sports clubs at my university, particularly for initiations.

    Does that make it clever or funny?

    No, but these are very young men experiencing their first taste of freedom. Groups of them together do silly things that they later cringe in embarrassment when they recollect.
    George W Bush did things that were just as stupid in the Skull and Bones society at Yale which were also widely recounted
    If you are trying to defend Cameron, then you are making things worse by comparing his behaviour with G.W.B.
    Well it did GWB no harm electorally and I doubt it will do Cameron any harm either, Bill Clinton got away with worse, whatever Dave did with a dead pig at Oxford he is loyal to SamCam, which is more than can be said for most French Presidents
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    I am still trying to figure out how any man would get his privates into a dead pigs mouth. I would have thought that the mere idea would have made the "little gentleman" shrivel up as small as possible.

    A pig's head is just meat really, not that disgusting. It might even have been cooked.
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    Speedy said:

    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    I think it's reason 327 not to be associated with crazy cults or societies when young and ambitious.
    I too have some stories from university but nothing as bizarre as the secret societies and crazy cults you might watch in a trashy american movie or Oxford in the late 80's.
    Cameron's student life sounds like it should be part of a Stanley Kubrick film.
    Some common sense!

    However it would appear that the opposite ends up being the case - that to be accepted into the corridors of power it's better to have dirty secrets they can hold over you; almost a requirement in fact.
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited September 2015
    DC & porkies are old hands. Sometimes I think he forgets a promise before he's finished making it.
    Initiation rites are a sure indicator of Man's tribalism. It won us the earth. If we can't expand it globally it will likely be our downfall.
    Young men get up to all kinds of nonsense, but I would have hoped that a future leader of the country would have had sense enough to just walk away from such debasement for such a silly idiotic gawd-awful asinine reason.*
    *assuming this is all true, of course.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited September 2015
    Thatcher "eats babies". Three time winner.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited September 2015
    What next? A photo emerges showing a young dc at a party wearing nazi uniform...

    Oh hang on, balls....
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    calum said:

    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    Indeed, I'm surprised that the irony of Dave meeting the Danish PM earlier hasn't been picked up by the press, as Denmark has only recently outlawed it's bestiality brothels:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/32411241/denmark-passes-law-to-ban-bestiality

    I wonder if the chaps ever took their activities offshore ?
    Nope !!

    Besides which it's very difficult to get a heli survival suit and a life jacket onto a goat......

    Err... Cough...

    So I am told from a friend of a friend of course
    :-)
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930

    I am still trying to figure out how any man would get his privates into a dead pigs mouth. I would have thought that the mere idea would have made the "little gentleman" shrivel up as small as possible.

    You can fit an apple easily inside a pigs mouth. If it did happen it was probably a quick dare: go on, pretend to put your todger in his mouth! ...WAAAAHHHHAYY!!! *take quick photo*

    Put it away, zip up, grab a pint, get your back slapped by your mates..

    Whole thing over in 10 seconds.
    "If it did happen it was probably a quick dare:

    Put it away, zip up, grab a pint, get your back slapped by your mates..

    Whole thing over in 10 seconds."

    Are we talking about Corbyn and Abbott again? Describing her as "it" is v ungentlemanly
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    perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    calum said:

    Another Ian Dale book just published - not making quite the same splash as the Ashcroft book !! - but an excellent behind the scenes insight into the Better Together campaign by Joe Pike:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Project-Fear-Unlikely-Alliance-Kingdom/dp/1849549311/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1442865112&sr=1-1

    I used to respect Iain Dale but his association with Ashcroft's book has changed my mind.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    edited September 2015

    HYUFD said:

    This is more a story for Mock the Week and Hislop and Merton than giving Cameron any serious damage

    According to wiki Hislop may have been a former member of the Piers Gaveston society and at the same time as Hugh Grant! I've always considered Cameron a rather boringly conventional type in the home counties mould. Leaving aside the credibility of the pig story, if he really was the member of a society named in honour of a 14th century French nobleman who allegedly had a homosexual affair with King Edward II, I might have to change my opinion of him.
    Indeed, but having a misspent youth makes you human to most voters, I doubt it will have much impact. Far worse to be seen to have spent your university years obsessed by student politics and political theory and making speeches to party conferences as a teenager, just look at William Hague and Ed Miliband, Blair and Cameron's youthful hijinks do them no harm
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    Moses_ said:

    Speedy said:

    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    I think it's reason 327 not to be associated with crazy cults or societies when young and ambitious.
    I too have some stories from university but nothing as bizarre as the secret societies and crazy cults you might watch in a trashy american movie or Oxford in the late 80's.
    Cameron's student life sounds like it should be part of a Stanley Kubrick film.
    Yeah church every Sunday etc etc etc,

    You really are a knob. You just are.
    Not called for.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,210
    In response to MrTimT (FPT):-

    "You're an investigator? How intriguing! Law enforcement, private, corporate/insurance?"

    I investigate fraud (amongst other things) in the City. I run a team of a mix of lawyers, accountants and others. Google Kweku Adoboli and you'll get the idea. That case took 14 months (bar 3 days off for a funeral and hospital visit) out of my life.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    This is why I think the GOP nomination process will be mired in clouds of uncertainty until at least March.

    First column = date; second column = cumulative delegate count out of 2470:

    1-Feb-16 30
    9-Feb-16 53
    20-Feb-16 103
    23-Feb-16 133
    1-Mar-16 829
    5-Mar-16 960
    8-Mar-16 1077
    13-Mar-16 1100
    15-Mar-16 1386
    22-Mar-16 1444
    5-Apr-16 1486
    19-Apr-16 1581
    26-Apr-16 1753
    3-May-16 1810
    10-May-16 1880
    17-May-16 1908
    7-Jun-16 2211
    14-Jun-16 2230
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    edited September 2015
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Seems that Alex Massie believes there will be a Tory surge in Scotland based on them being able to appeal to the middle ground Devo Maxers.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/is-labour-still-a-unionist-party/

    Shame that the middle ground may well not exist any more.

    Well Comres and Yougov yesterday had the Scottish Tories over 20% compared to the 14% they got in May
    Yesterday you wrote : -

    Comres is also clearly wrong on subsamples as there is no way the Tories are ahead in Wales, the North and London when they were not even ahead there at the general election.

    If you are going to be selective in your Pick'n'Mix reliance on tiny subsamples, you will need to at least be consistent.
    Yes, but yougov contradicted comres on those subsamples, comres and yougov are in agreement the Tories are now over 20% in Scotland, just comres has Labour behind them on 17%, yougov ahead of them on 28%
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    MTimT said:

    This is why I think the GOP nomination process will be mired in clouds of uncertainty until at least March.

    First column = date; second column = cumulative delegate count out of 2470:

    1-Feb-16 30
    9-Feb-16 53
    20-Feb-16 103
    23-Feb-16 133
    1-Mar-16 829
    5-Mar-16 960
    8-Mar-16 1077
    13-Mar-16 1100
    15-Mar-16 1386
    22-Mar-16 1444
    5-Apr-16 1486
    19-Apr-16 1581
    26-Apr-16 1753
    3-May-16 1810
    10-May-16 1880
    17-May-16 1908
    7-Jun-16 2211
    14-Jun-16 2230

    Sorry for the alignment of columns. There were nicely aligned in the edit box.
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    Moses_ said:

    calum said:

    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    Indeed, I'm surprised that the irony of Dave meeting the Danish PM earlier hasn't been picked up by the press, as Denmark has only recently outlawed it's bestiality brothels:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/32411241/denmark-passes-law-to-ban-bestiality

    I wonder if the chaps ever took their activities offshore ?
    Nope !!

    Besides which it's very difficult to get a heli survival suit and a life jacket onto a goat......

    Err... Cough...

    So I am told from a friend of a friend of course
    :-)
    Your saying dc likes a bit of Danish? Best warn kinnock jnr.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited September 2015

    I am still trying to figure out how any man would get his privates into a dead pigs mouth. I would have thought that the mere idea would have made the "little gentleman" shrivel up as small as possible.

    You're just saying that so a male poster will blurt out how it's done. ;)

    Edit. Ahem. Sorry Casino_Royale!
    Yes. That is what I am trying to figure out. I would have thought it next to impossible
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    MTimT said:

    This is why I think the GOP nomination process will be mired in clouds of uncertainty until at least March.

    First column = date; second column = cumulative delegate count out of 2470:

    1-Feb-16 30
    9-Feb-16 53
    20-Feb-16 103
    23-Feb-16 133
    1-Mar-16 829
    5-Mar-16 960
    8-Mar-16 1077
    13-Mar-16 1100
    15-Mar-16 1386
    22-Mar-16 1444
    5-Apr-16 1486
    19-Apr-16 1581
    26-Apr-16 1753
    3-May-16 1810
    10-May-16 1880
    17-May-16 1908
    7-Jun-16 2211
    14-Jun-16 2230

    1st March looks key
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    Moses_ said:

    Speedy said:

    DavidL said:

    This story seems to be complete crap but it has gone around the world now and damaged Cameron's reputation and ability to represent our country. Being a politician he probably won't sue but he really should. And even the Daily Mail should be ashamed of itself. Our political discourse hit a new low today.

    Reason 327 not to ever stand for an elected public position.

    I think it's reason 327 not to be associated with crazy cults or societies when young and ambitious.
    I too have some stories from university but nothing as bizarre as the secret societies and crazy cults you might watch in a trashy american movie or Oxford in the late 80's.
    Cameron's student life sounds like it should be part of a Stanley Kubrick film.
    Yeah church every Sunday etc etc etc,

    You really are a knob. You just are.
    Not called for.
    Sorry
    Yes it was.. He will get worse down the pub for coming out with that stuff.
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    JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    I agree about Bojo, who would have probably addressed it in public immediately with some sort of playful Latin bon mot and people (not me) would just be going 'Bozza, what a ledge. Epic bants' or whatever the modern day equivalent is, but it just does not fit in with Dave's serious-face, sleeves-rolled, let's all pitch in brand. As a PR man he should have realised that.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,436
    From the last thread -

    "The evil Machiavellian in me is sensing that this is, in fact, a hatchet job on Ashcroft - not on Cameron. Fed false innuendo and outright lies which he credulously gobbled up, only to make a fool of himself. However, if this is perpetrated by a Cameron fan or inner circle, it is a very high risk strategy. Perhaps someone who has a beef with both Cameron and Ashcroft ..."

    I don't think so. Easier to follow the Cockup theory of history - look at the Hitler diaries, or Rathergate.

    What you need is someone who really, really wants a story to be true. Then he/she comes across some pre-existing rubbish. Perhaps an idiot who has made up a story that he tells repeatedly to make himself sound like he is in the know. Flattered by the attention, he tells the journalist that it's all true and there even photographs...

    The reports that the journalist and Ashcroft are backing away a bit from the story suggest they have found out the photos have an existence problem.
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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited September 2015
    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Seems that Alex Massie believes there will be a Tory surge in Scotland based on them being able to appeal to the middle ground Devo Maxers.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/is-labour-still-a-unionist-party/

    Shame that the middle ground may well not exist any more.

    Well Comres and Yougov yesterday had the Scottish Tories over 20% compared to the 14% they got in May
    Yesterday you wrote : -

    Comres is also clearly wrong on subsamples as there is no way the Tories are ahead in Wales, the North and London when they were not even ahead there at the general election.

    If you are going to be selective in your Pick'n'Mix reliance on tiny subsamples, you will need to at least be consistent.
    Yes, but yougov contradicted comres on those subsamples, comres and yougov are in agreement the Tories are now over 20% in Scotland, just comres has Labour behind them on 17%, yougov ahead of them on 28%
    But in addition you wrote : -

    I suggest we hold forth until further subsamples from Scotland and polls from Scotland can be examined. However on the basis of subsamples given Comres' are completely out of tune with May's election results unlike yougov I suggest they be treated with some scepticism.

    So not only are you hypocritically using a Comres poll you have previously rubbished as "clearly wrong" and needed to be "treated with scepticism" you are also breaking your own proposition to hold off using subsamples after you were resoundingly spanked by posters of all political backgrounds in yesterday's thread.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Watching Clegg's speech on BBC Parliament.

    I am not sure they get why they lost so heavily in May. Looks like they would do it all over again.

    Everyone else wrong but them.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,210
    Also FPT @DavidL:-

    Don't be so gloomy. Judging by your posts you seem to have it right: a wife and daughter to be proud of.

    Put it this way, during my late teens my father was ill - dying in fact - and he died 3 weeks before my 21st birthday in my 2nd year at uni. I was well into my twenties before I really learnt to be me and not just a mass of unhappy and furious resentment at my loss.

    We live the life we live. No point worrying about "what if". So long as you leave happy memories and people remember you - if they remember you at all - with affection and a smile on their face - well, what else - really - is there.

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    JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082

    From the last thread -

    "The evil Machiavellian in me is sensing that this is, in fact, a hatchet job on Ashcroft - not on Cameron. Fed false innuendo and outright lies which he credulously gobbled up, only to make a fool of himself. However, if this is perpetrated by a Cameron fan or inner circle, it is a very high risk strategy. Perhaps someone who has a beef with both Cameron and Ashcroft ..."

    I don't think so. Easier to follow the Cockup theory of history - look at the Hitler diaries, or Rathergate.

    What you need is someone who really, really wants a story to be true. Then he/she comes across some pre-existing rubbish. Perhaps an idiot who has made up a story that he tells repeatedly to make himself sound like he is in the know. Flattered by the attention, he tells the journalist that it's all true and there even photographs...

    The reports that the journalist and Ashcroft are backing away a bit from the story suggest they have found out the photos have an existence problem.

    They worded the story very carefully from the beginning, and I haven't seen any change from that.
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    JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    Jonathan said:

    Watching Clegg's speech on BBC Parliament.

    I am not sure they get why they lost so heavily in May. Looks like they would do it all over again.

    Everyone else wrong but them.

    My thoughts exactly!
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Scott Walker out of Republican nomination race.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34317758
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Cyclefree said:


    We live the life we live. No point worrying about "what if". So long as you leave happy memories and people remember you - if they remember you at all - with affection and a smile on their face - well, what else - really - is there.

    Absolutely correct Cyclefree
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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 708
    edited September 2015
    FPT

    Or allegations about Rennard or boundary reviews.

    Does he have CJD?

    It's tragic for one so young.

    rcs1000 said:

    Umm, didn't Cleggers just say that he didn't remember blocking any appts?

    Bloody Clegg. So glad I didn't vote for him now.

    Remember when I tipped Lord Howard as our next man in Bruxelles at 25/1?

    @TelePolitics: Nick Clegg: I blocked Lord Howard's appointment as EU commissioner http://t.co/DwK3EvZDPX

    His memory goes in and out. He certainly doesn't remember saying that he didn't remember blocking any appointments.
    It's quite simple really.
    Clegg says he didn't block Ashcroft, that Cameron used him as an excuse.
    Clegg says he did block Howard.
    Surely, it is quite likely that if Clegg blocked the respected former Party leader, it was almost certain he would block the, er, somewhat less respected figure of Lord Ashcroft - so Cameron didn't actually ask Clegg because the answer - No!!! over my dead body - was 100% certain?
    The "blocking" of Howard occurred in 2014 according to The Telegraph...

    http://tinyurl.com/nm3y2bb

    ...four years after the supposed blocking of Ashcroft:
    He left me hanging. On the second Sunday after he became Prime Minister,
    he invited me to a family lunch at Chequers. He took me for a walk in the
    garden, and told me that when appointing the coalition ministers, Liberal
    Democrat leader Nick Clegg had vetoed any appointment for me. Recently,
    after he stepped down as leader of the Liberal Democrats, we checked this
    version of events with his office: Clegg said he had no recollection of having
    barred any Conservative appointments.
    Preface to Call Me Dave
    http://www.lordashcroft.com/call_me_dave_preface.pdf

    Clegg's office might be talking only about appointments to the Cabinet.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,786
    so.. a bad news day.

    Risking displeasure in certain quarters I'd offer some good news. GWR is to re-emerge. Maybe this is old, good news, but I've just found out. So Paddington and the like may sport shiny signs once again. Paddington station has small hints of the architecture of Metropolis about it.
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    ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    JWisemann said:

    Maybe we've all got that out of our systems we can start talking about actual policies now?

    The Labour lady on DP this lunchtime gave a better argument for railway renationalisation than almost all posters on here who've tried. Although there were deep flaws in her arguments, it looks as if Labour are getting their attack lines rehearsed well.
    I can't remember her name either
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited September 2015
    MTimT said:

    MTimT said:

    This is why I think the GOP nomination process will be mired in clouds of uncertainty until at least March.

    First column = date; second column = cumulative delegate count out of 2470:

    1-Feb-16 30
    9-Feb-16 53
    20-Feb-16 103
    23-Feb-16 133
    1-Mar-16 829
    5-Mar-16 960
    8-Mar-16 1077
    13-Mar-16 1100
    15-Mar-16 1386
    22-Mar-16 1444
    5-Apr-16 1486
    19-Apr-16 1581
    26-Apr-16 1753
    3-May-16 1810
    10-May-16 1880
    17-May-16 1908
    7-Jun-16 2211
    14-Jun-16 2230

    Sorry for the alignment of columns. There were nicely aligned in the edit box.
    Put them into a section <pre> your text here </pre>

    Use preview/edit to adjust them till they line up. Then you end up with this...

    1-Feb-16 30
    9-Feb-16 53
    20-Feb-16 103
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,210

    Anyone shagging animals tonight?

    I really hate the word "shag". It sounds so, I don't know, hairy and perfunctory. A quick poke on a nylon carpet in some second rate and faintly smelly B&B. Lust is wonderful. Sex is great. Fuck is awesome. But "shag" - so common, as Alan Bennett's mother might have put it (except she wouldn't, of course).
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Omnium said:

    so.. a bad news day.

    Risking displeasure in certain quarters I'd offer some good news. GWR is to re-emerge. Maybe this is old, good news, but I've just found out. So Paddington and the like may sport shiny signs once again. Paddington station has small hints of the architecture of Metropolis about it.

    What was the bad news ?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308
    Cyclefree said:

    Also FPT @DavidL:-

    Don't be so gloomy. Judging by your posts you seem to have it right: a wife and daughter to be proud of.

    Put it this way, during my late teens my father was ill - dying in fact - and he died 3 weeks before my 21st birthday in my 2nd year at uni. I was well into my twenties before I really learnt to be me and not just a mass of unhappy and furious resentment at my loss.

    We live the life we live. No point worrying about "what if". So long as you leave happy memories and people remember you - if they remember you at all - with affection and a smile on their face - well, what else - really - is there.

    That is really sad Cyclefree. I was lucky that although both my parents died young (smokers) I was well past that stage before losing them.

    I am very content with my life now. I just wished I had been more adventurous when I was younger but then, I probably wouldn't have what I have now would I? 3 kids by the way, all interesting and fun.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Pulpstar said:

    MTimT said:

    This is why I think the GOP nomination process will be mired in clouds of uncertainty until at least March.

    First column = date; second column = cumulative delegate count out of 2470:

    1-Feb-16 30
    9-Feb-16 53
    20-Feb-16 103
    23-Feb-16 133
    1-Mar-16 829
    5-Mar-16 960
    8-Mar-16 1077
    13-Mar-16 1100
    15-Mar-16 1386
    22-Mar-16 1444
    5-Apr-16 1486
    19-Apr-16 1581
    26-Apr-16 1753
    3-May-16 1810
    10-May-16 1880
    17-May-16 1908
    7-Jun-16 2211
    14-Jun-16 2230

    1st March looks key
    March 15.

    All elections in the period 1-14 March must allocate delegates proportionally. Winner takes all starts 15 March. So, if one of the novices is still on 30% at that point, the max number of delegates they'll have will be 330-40 (depending on how many % are removed by candidates polling below the cut off). So those other candidates on 10% will only be a total of 200 or so delegates behind on March 14.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited September 2015
    Scott Walker to Drop Out of Presidential Race

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is the latest casualty of the crowded Republican…

    Scott Walker to Drop Out of 2016 Republican Presidential Race

    After a dramatic fall from the top tier of Republican presidential field, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is set to abruptly end his White House bid today.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Danny565 said:

    Scott Walker out of Republican nomination race.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34317758

    Second to drop out after Perry and to think that for a short while after he announced Walker was briefly the frontrunner
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,786
    Pulpstar said:

    Omnium said:

    so.. a bad news day.

    Risking displeasure in certain quarters I'd offer some good news. GWR is to re-emerge. Maybe this is old, good news, but I've just found out. So Paddington and the like may sport shiny signs once again. Paddington station has small hints of the architecture of Metropolis about it.

    What was the bad news ?
    I wasn't made Pope. It's happened before you know - yesterday for example I was overlooked in the same way. People have said before that the issue is that I'm not Catholic, but this day-by-day affront to my talents surely goes far beyond that...... :)
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    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Seems that Alex Massie believes there will be a Tory surge in Scotland based on them being able to appeal to the middle ground Devo Maxers.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/is-labour-still-a-unionist-party/

    Shame that the middle ground may well not exist any more.

    Well Comres and Yougov yesterday had the Scottish Tories over 20% compared to the 14% they got in May
    Yesterday you wrote : -

    Comres is also clearly wrong on subsamples as there is no way the Tories are ahead in Wales, the North and London when they were not even ahead there at the general election.

    If you are going to be selective in your Pick'n'Mix reliance on tiny subsamples, you will need to at least be consistent.
    The Conservatives did very well in Wales in May and Wales has a pretty abject Labour Government failing on health and education in particular
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,436
    JWisemann said:

    From the last thread -

    "The evil Machiavellian in me is sensing that this is, in fact, a hatchet job on Ashcroft - not on Cameron. Fed false innuendo and outright lies which he credulously gobbled up, only to make a fool of himself. However, if this is perpetrated by a Cameron fan or inner circle, it is a very high risk strategy. Perhaps someone who has a beef with both Cameron and Ashcroft ..."

    I don't think so. Easier to follow the Cockup theory of history - look at the Hitler diaries, or Rathergate.

    What you need is someone who really, really wants a story to be true. Then he/she comes across some pre-existing rubbish. Perhaps an idiot who has made up a story that he tells repeatedly to make himself sound like he is in the know. Flattered by the attention, he tells the journalist that it's all true and there even photographs...

    The reports that the journalist and Ashcroft are backing away a bit from the story suggest they have found out the photos have an existence problem.

    They worded the story very carefully from the beginning, and I haven't seen any change from that.
    Did you see the interviews/comments today?
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Scott Walker to Drop Out of Presidential Race

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is the latest casualty of the crowded Republican…

    Scott Walker to Drop Out of 2016 Republican Presidential Race

    After a dramatic fall from the top tier of Republican presidential field, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is set to abruptly end his White House bid today.

    My guess is his backers have told him they are turning off the tap.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Seems that Alex Massie believes there will be a Tory surge in Scotland based on them being able to appeal to the middle ground Devo Maxers.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/is-labour-still-a-unionist-party/

    Shame that the middle ground may well not exist any more.

    Well Comres and Yougov yesterday had the Scottish Tories over 20% compared to the 14% they got in May
    Yesterday you wrote : -

    Comres is also clearly wrong on subsamples as there is no way the Tories are ahead in Wales, the North and London when they were not even ahead there at the general election.

    If you are going to be selective in your Pick'n'Mix reliance on tiny subsamples, you will need to at least be consistent.
    Yes, but yougov contradicted comres on those subsamples, comres and yougov are in agreement the Tories are now over 20% in Scotland, just comres has Labour behind them on 17%, yougov ahead of them on 28%
    But in addition you wrote : -

    I suggest we hold forth until further subsamples from Scotland and polls from Scotland can be examined. However on the basis of subsamples given Comres' are completely out of tune with May's election results unlike yougov I suggest they be treated with some scepticism.

    So not only are you hypocritically using a Comres poll you have previously rubbished as "clearly wrong" and needed to be "treated with scepticism" you are also breaking your own proposition to hold off using subsamples after you were resoundingly spanked by posters of all political backgrounds in yesterday's thread.
    That was on the basis of comparing them to each other, when BOTH Comres and Yougov agree the Tories are up in Scotland that is telling you something. I was not spanked by anyone at all as both polls also showed the SNP down too. The only dispute was over whether Labour was up, yougov said they were, comres they were not, based on the dubious nature of comres' other subsamples I suggested yougov was more likely to be accurate. Yes, we can await further subsamples to confirm the Labour position but when 2 pollsters agree on something it suggests a trend
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Cyclefree said:

    Also FPT @DavidL:-

    Don't be so gloomy. Judging by your posts you seem to have it right: a wife and daughter to be proud of.

    Put it this way, during my late teens my father was ill - dying in fact - and he died 3 weeks before my 21st birthday in my 2nd year at uni. I was well into my twenties before I really learnt to be me and not just a mass of unhappy and furious resentment at my loss.

    We live the life we live. No point worrying about "what if". So long as you leave happy memories and people remember you - if they remember you at all - with affection and a smile on their face - well, what else - really - is there.

    I had a similar sort of experience and still hurts today even 30 years later.

    One thing to always remember is that Squadron Leader Cyclefree, he of one of the few, would be immensely proud......

    That's all that matters really and all else pales........ That's the way I always look at it anyway.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Seems that Alex Massie believes there will be a Tory surge in Scotland based on them being able to appeal to the middle ground Devo Maxers.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/is-labour-still-a-unionist-party/

    Shame that the middle ground may well not exist any more.

    Well Comres and Yougov yesterday had the Scottish Tories over 20% compared to the 14% they got in May
    Yesterday you wrote : -

    Comres is also clearly wrong on subsamples as there is no way the Tories are ahead in Wales, the North and London when they were not even ahead there at the general election.

    If you are going to be selective in your Pick'n'Mix reliance on tiny subsamples, you will need to at least be consistent.
    The Conservatives did very well in Wales in May and Wales has a pretty abject Labour Government failing on health and education in particular
    Indeed, the first statistic of a dramatically new trend is always going to be seen at the time as an outlier. So when we get an outlier, we have no way of knowing whether it is in truth an outlier, or the first sign of a dramatic new trend.
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    HYUFD

    "Well Comres and Yougov yesterday had the Scottish Tories over 20% compared to the 14% they got in May"

    You really are incorrigible HYUFD. Yesterday you said that the Comres sub samples were rubbish!

    There have been 8 full opinion polls since the May election. Last one last week. Average Tory vote just under 14 per cent. Last one 14 per cent. Election performance in 2011 14 per cent.

    Tory revival in Scotland - Oh yes and pigs might fly!
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,308
    Moses_ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Also FPT @DavidL:-

    Don't be so gloomy. Judging by your posts you seem to have it right: a wife and daughter to be proud of.

    Put it this way, during my late teens my father was ill - dying in fact - and he died 3 weeks before my 21st birthday in my 2nd year at uni. I was well into my twenties before I really learnt to be me and not just a mass of unhappy and furious resentment at my loss.

    We live the life we live. No point worrying about "what if". So long as you leave happy memories and people remember you - if they remember you at all - with affection and a smile on their face - well, what else - really - is there.

    I had a similar sort of experience and still hurts today even 30 years later.

    One thing to always remember is that Squadron Leader Cyclefree, he of one of the few, would be immensely proud......

    That's all that matters really and all else pales........ That's the way I always look at it anyway.
    Well said.
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    MTimT said:

    Scott Walker to Drop Out of Presidential Race

    Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is the latest casualty of the crowded Republican…

    Scott Walker to Drop Out of 2016 Republican Presidential Race

    After a dramatic fall from the top tier of Republican presidential field, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is set to abruptly end his White House bid today.

    My guess is his backers have told him they are turning off the tap.
    So where are they going?
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    JWisemannJWisemann Posts: 1,082
    MTimT said:

    Dair said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dair said:

    Seems that Alex Massie believes there will be a Tory surge in Scotland based on them being able to appeal to the middle ground Devo Maxers.

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/is-labour-still-a-unionist-party/

    Shame that the middle ground may well not exist any more.

    Well Comres and Yougov yesterday had the Scottish Tories over 20% compared to the 14% they got in May
    Yesterday you wrote : -

    Comres is also clearly wrong on subsamples as there is no way the Tories are ahead in Wales, the North and London when they were not even ahead there at the general election.

    If you are going to be selective in your Pick'n'Mix reliance on tiny subsamples, you will need to at least be consistent.
    The Conservatives did very well in Wales in May and Wales has a pretty abject Labour Government failing on health and education in particular
    Indeed, the first statistic of a dramatically new trend is always going to be seen at the time as an outlier. So when we get an outlier, we have no way of knowing whether it is in truth an outlier, or the first sign of a dramatic new trend.
    There is no way the Tories are ahead in Wales.
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    Omnium said:

    (snip)

    Risking displeasure in certain quarters I'd offer some good news. GWR is to re-emerge. Maybe this is old, good news, but I've just found out. So Paddington and the like may sport shiny signs once again. Paddington station has small hints of the architecture of Metropolis about it.

    Blooming coppertops.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The SUN feels left out...

    @TheSun: EXCLUSIVE: David Cameron attended A-list cocaine party http://t.co/SNZQzgjo60 http://t.co/9YrZe8V9hM
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    Cyclefree said:

    Anyone shagging animals tonight?

    I really hate the word "shag". It sounds so, I don't know, hairy and perfunctory. A quick poke on a nylon carpet in some second rate and faintly smelly B&B. Lust is wonderful. Sex is great. Fuck is awesome. But "shag" - so common, as Alan Bennett's mother might have put it (except she wouldn't, of course).
    I'm shocked young Ms. Cyclefree. Shocked, I tell you!
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    Scott_P said:

    The SUN feels left out...

    @TheSun: EXCLUSIVE: David Cameron attended A-list cocaine party http://t.co/SNZQzgjo60 http://t.co/9YrZe8V9hM

    The Chancellor has coke in front of him seems to have survived that.
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