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Labour members and supporters have begun protesting to the party about their lack of ballot papers with less than a week to go before the leadership election closes.
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Nice to see another lady on PB ....
Anecdotally, this rings true from my experience: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/psychedelics-may-help-treat-depression/
I purchased that outstanding barnet topper from a charity event in aid of "The Bedford Distressed Toupee Gentleman's Association"
Discretion forbids me from revealing the history of said item formerly the property of a notoriously discrete Obama 50/1 winning gambler from 2008.
A worthy cause, regardless!
Individually tragic though it was (and is) it just goes to show, to me at least, how tremendously illogical human beings are, and therefore our politics too.
If there was any realistic attempt to vet the £3ers I could see delays in those but if members are not getting their ballots something is seriously wrong. The risk of this process having to be extended are increasing.
The loudest voices will probably come from within: either Coopermen claiming that Corbyn won off the back of Tories and Militants, or Corbynistas claiming that the election was stolen from them as legitimate voters were denied their say. How the new leader would get over such a position and impose or create discipline within the party, goodness knows. The only effective response to a tainted process is an unambiguously effective outcome - that however it happened, the party got the right person. But does any of the candidates have the quality to make such an impression?
But in this case, there is a clear conspiracy to keep Corbyn supporters off the ballot - the purge seems squarely aimed at those who might support Corbyn. Though this particular move strikes as cock up.
So Labour have managed to have BOTH cock up and conspiracy in their process. What a bunch of clowns.
Funny old world, where one act of desperate stupidity gets your grief on every channel whilst 17,000 carry their own little coffins, unreported.
I'm increasingly annoyed by comments I read, like the one by Justin Forsyth "boss" of Save the Children in this morning's Metro, who claim they speak for the whole public in Britain.
WRT this poll, it's worth noting 59% of Conservatives rejected Yvette Cooper's suggestion.
How many others are in a similar situation where they feel no option but to self-censor?
If Corbyn doesn't win, the pollsters are going to look a shade ridiculous.
We now face a huge humanitarian crisis. I don't believe for a moment that this is all the West's fault but it is not obvious we have helped either. That crisis involves the movement of millions of people who have fled in fear of their lives from psychopathic killers and lunatics.
They face an existence in camps in Turkey, Jordan, the Lebanon and elsewhere for years, possibly decades. It would be an existence with no jobs, little education, very poor accommodation entirely dependent on the world's somewhat fitful concentration span for the food that they eat.
If I and my family were in such a camp I would take any option to give them a better chance. This would undoubtedly involve dealing with cruel and heartless criminals because the Authorities give no options. It would involve taking risks because the alternative is so horrendous, risks I would not normally contemplate for a second. To call those who take these risks "stupid" or "greedy" is frankly shameful.
There are no easy answers. We cannot have the populations of the world's many trouble spots come here en masse. I can see the argument that helping simply aggravates the problem because it makes the option of my hypothetical man in the refugee camp more attractive, the risk more worth taking. But when struggling with this we really should not let irritation or a sense of being bullied deprive us of humanity and compassion. These are human beings and we must not forget it.
Excellent news! What a day it will be if Cooper snatches this at the last minute, and pollsters and pundits are in penance.
I do think we should take in some refugees but we should be extremely selective..
Actually, the result from Caerffili was very depressing.
223 people vote for someone who talks about gassing immigrants .... in the borough that is 98 per cent white. (Probably the ward of Bedwas is even whiter).
Caerffili is in the bottom 3 for ethnic diversity. Of all the boroughs in England & Wales, only Torfaen and Blaenau Gwent are less diverse.
And the council is run by one of the most corrupt & incompetent Labour administrations in South Wales.
Who knows what lies they were told by the criminals they had to deal with? Who knows what threats they faced when they were on that beach and men with guns want to leave pdq. Stories of brutality by these thugs are already legion.
"The Great Migration is a 21st century problem, far bigger than Syria and bigger than the authorities in Brussels seem able to comprehend."
Proper border control and off-site (preferable in countries either affected by conflict or adjacent to it) processing is the best way forward. It diminishes illegal journeys because there's no point if you can't get in, and provides safe passage for those who are given the green light.
Germany's approach is monumental in its stupidity. It'll lead to more needless deaths, and enrich people smugglers (which also helps fund ISIS).
Much better to appear 'nice'. Maybe thats why Facebook/Twitter etc are such a echo chamber, because they relfect the need to 'fit in'.
I'm sorry, but once again we have a great moral argument, with no practical answers. Really doesn't help. Indeed it's why Europe is going to commit national/civilizational suicide.
Merkel's actions are going to lead to more drownings of young men escaping a life of poverty in west Africa than any comments @RichardDodd or @Rodcrosby are making on Victor Orban/ the father of the boy who died off the coast of Bodrum.
Double the defences at Calais, and double the humanity at Suruc.
Any opposition in the Eastern Valleys comes from poorly organised Independents (usually ex-Labour councillors who have fallen out with the governing group).
The Tories, LibDems and Plaid are all very weak in terms of seats in the Eastern Valleys (Plaid are stronger in the West and have held some of the councils albeit briefly).
Probably only some form of PR could hope to regenerate the councils into something like functioning organisations with proper scrutiny and debate.
(To be fair, Pembrokeshire has also had a whole host of problems -- illegal payments to Chief Executives, Porsche leasing arrangements for senior Council staff -- and it is a fairly Tory area of Wales. The Council is run by Con-dependents).
Time to put those much celebrated seats at the top-table to good use.
Or actually go in and sort out Syria probably, removing Assad and ISIS and creating a stable country somehow.
Ultimately thats the only solution in the long term, otherwise a good chunk of the Middle East will just decamp to the EU...which would be a disaster for everyone.
"Let us be clear that there is nothing remotely comparable to the Nazi era in the conduct or intentions of the Hungarian authorities."
The previous sentence: "The last time people were duped on to trains around here, they ended up in Auschwitz."
Is there a term for the fuckwittery of when a journalist asks for a comparison not to be made before doing it themselves in the previous or following sentence ? And with the Nazis too ! What a cretin.
Russia - big ally yes. France ex-colonial power maybe.
We should stay well out of it.
Greed, pure a simple.
I am truly shocked that this element of the LL contest has not gone to plan….
But if they're delayed much longer, it could materially help Corbyn.
Look, if i were in a desperately poor or very badly mismanaged country, I'd be trying to make my way to the West to forge a better life for my family too. That's the logical thing to do. Particularly since we in the West have gone to such lengths to maximise the pull factors, particularly with setting sail in the med. But there are hundreds of millions in this category, even more who want to join other friends and family, and we can't take them all in.
In my view, the right thing to do is stabilise these countries and focus on developing them to be prosperous and upstanding. Aid and refuge should be provided as close to the border as possible, asylum given to the most vulnerable, and we must be careful to distinguish between genuine refugees and economic migrants.
The ferrying of migrants in their thousands across the med must end.
An associate of Murphy seems to be the party.
http://www.fcablog.org.uk/2015/09/goodbye/
Okay, so I think this was misinterpreted, but still quite funny.
Putin would probably want a free hand in Ukraine and the easing of sanctions in return.
That's probably also why some people can come across very differently in real life to how they communicate online. It's not that they're being deceitful [well, some are, but most aren't], it's that the medium of communication alters the message.
Down the pub you could also say politically incorrect things without worrying about either a Twitter mob or the rozzers descending upon you.
So it is our business and if we want to play a part in global politics we should try to shape the response rather than the lead footed, passive approach we have had so far.
The alternative is the isolationist foreign policy you advocate. If so, it should have been discussed at the GE.
As it stands the Tories were elected on a ticket to "stand tall in the world" and "ensure Britain is a major player on the world stage". They should get on with it.
Really why bother, other than it gives the commentariat in the papers and TV another angle to fill their time with?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34148159
Hmm.
Not much thought given to how this provides an incentive for more potentially fatal journeys, or enriching people smugglers. Still, who cares about the impact of a deranged policy? Merkel is nice. Cameron is mean. That's what really counts...
Excellent post Pulpstar
Very good decision by David Cameron to take that I hope almost everyone here would support. Legalised migration of genuine refugees rather than those who've paid people smugglers. Cut out the middle men and deal with the problem directly. The solution to this crisis isn't a free-for-all where the first to make it to Europe (a survival of the fittest) are allowed in, but to come up with a real solution at the point of origin.
And yes, this is a dreadful humanitarian crisis, but the outpouring of faux grief from people on laptops in comfy houses is nauseous. No doubt multi millionaires like Geldof and Bono will be imploring poor people to "dig deep" before long. Lets see how socialist some socialists really are.
All this talk of returning refugees to their point of origin wilfully ignores the huge, huge numbers involved. Turkey has 1.8 Million refugees. How the fuck can you sit there and say that all the people gambling their lives to escape first a war zone, and then sprawling disease ridden camps are stupid/greedy economic migrants who should be sent straight back. 1.8 million people flooding a single country, and you expect to just sit and ignore the whole problem as not our responsibility.
All weather catastrophes to be deemed due to carbon. There's a deal afoot which would mean rich countries throw money at poor ones, if the latter suffer weather woe which they decide is due to carbon emissions:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-34147192
Because heart shouldn't bleed for him
We need a real multilateral solution at source.
The boy died not because his father was stupid/greedy, but because the UN's response to the growing humanitarian crisis since 2011 has been pitiful.
George Osborne as Tory leader would pose the biggest threat to Labour, say LabourList readers
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