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For non-Labour supporters, this leadership election is the gift that keeps on giving which has somehow managed to make the Florida 2000 Presidential election mess look like the epitome of competent electoral practice.

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Morris_Dancer

FPT:
Miss Apocalypse, worth noting some gay men in Muslim countries (whose regimes are not exactly gay-friendly) used Ashley Madison rather than better known apps like Grindr/Tindr[sp] to avoid the authorities being able to find them easily, and are now terrified of being subject to whatever punishment is deemed appropriate in such countries.

Not to mention, some people have open relationships, and others will simply have been lying/role-playing.

F1: just writing the post-race ramble now.

On-topic: I concur. I think it'll be announced on time, although that may not be the end of the story.

Morris_Dancer

F1: Eddie Jordan now talking about Renault getting a car on the podium. Except, they didn't...

Edited extra bit: F1: Vettel significantly displeased with how things went.

alex.

Re: Corbyn and dubious methods of renationalisation etc - it could be noted that Corbyn's economic pronouncements are not reserving his comments to Tory Governments. Except to the extent that he considers the Labour government from 1997 to 2010 a "Tory" Government. He basically seems to see any decision taken over the last 35 years as effectively illegitimate and open to challenge/reversal.

HurstLlama

Ah, Mr. Dancer, did you catch the posts at the tail end of the last thread re the gross waste of UK taxpayers money on overseas aid (e.g. millions to China). That is your heroine Greening's decisions we were talking about.

JGWNBCPL

SquareRoot

Is the betting specific? Which Labour leader? There could be two. The election winner and a leader in the HOC if the MP's refuse to do Corbyn's bidding.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Llama, I've often said foreign aid is ridiculous.

SimonStClare

'Last week we had a cat voting in this election while long time members were barred.'


Seems eminently sensible to me – cats are much smarter than the average supporter.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. StClare, we'll see how important the cat vote is when Labour announce taxpayer subsidy of milk and cream.

HurstLlama

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Llama, I've often said foreign aid is ridiculous.

Indeed, but that wasn't what I was getting at. Justine Greening has long been fancied by you (*) but it is she that is quandering the inheritance of our children and grandchildren, worse actually loading them with even more debt so as to give money to China et al.

I repeat, JGWNBCPL. Indeed if she had a shred of decency she would resign today.

*fancied politically I mean, obviously.

MTimT

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Llama, I've often said foreign aid is ridiculous.

Properly targeted and implemented, it need not be. But for the most part it is.

MarkHopkins

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. StClare, we'll see how important the cat vote is when Labour announce taxpayer subsidy of milk and cream.

The Anti-(Mouse)-Hunting bill may be introduced.

Dair

ThreeQuidder said:

kle4 said:

It's their reason for existence, they cannot accept it if it goes against.

Agreed, but since the SNP has conceded that they can't call a legitimate referendum and that only HMG can do that, why would HMG permit a second referendum when the SNP has proven that it can't accept Scots' democratic decision?

The problem for Loyalists is that the decision was not clear and the actual argument was fundamentally lost (perhaps forever) by the Loyalists. They could not find any reason to remain in the UK outside of (quite improbably) threats which still had an element of truthiness, enough to add on to the core Ideologically bigoted Loyalist support and scape a No vote.

But this complete loss of the argument by the Loyalists has left them struggling and relying on idiotic nonsense like you do here. Denying a democratic choice at a future time decided by the electorate of Scotland. It is the dumbest outlook imaginable and just highlights the paucity of the argument for maintaining the Union.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Llama, Greening or Patel, I mind not which.

Morris_Dancer

F1: post-race review:
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/belgium-post-race-analysis.html

Yorkcity

alex. said:

Re: Corbyn and dubious methods of renationalisation etc - it could be noted that Corbyn's economic pronouncements are not reserving his comments to Tory Governments. Except to the extent that he considers the Labour government from 1997 to 2010 a "Tory" Government. He basically seems to see any decision taken over the last 35 years as effectively illegitimate and open to challenge/reversal.

The Overton window on the economy has never changed on this site.
Corbyn might change the discourse outside this arena.
Even this will frighten some.

The_Apocalypse

Morris_Dancer said:

FPT:
Miss Apocalypse, worth noting some gay men in Muslim countries (whose regimes are not exactly gay-friendly) used Ashley Madison rather than better known apps like Grindr/Tindr[sp] to avoid the authorities being able to find them easily, and are now terrified of being subject to whatever punishment is deemed appropriate in such countries.

Not to mention, some people have open relationships, and others will simply have been lying/role-playing.

F1: just writing the post-race ramble now.

On-topic: I concur. I think it'll be announced on time, although that may not be the end of the story.

I feel sorry for those gay men, but not for the others - you can easily access people for open relationships in normal dating sites, as opposed to going after married people.

HurstLlama

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Llama, Greening or Patel, I mind not which.

That's either a keeper or a call for mind bleach, I am not sure which.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Llama, whatever do you mean?

HurstLlama

Dair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

kle4 said:

It's their reason for existence, they cannot accept it if it goes against.

Agreed, but since the SNP has conceded that they can't call a legitimate referendum and that only HMG can do that, why would HMG permit a second referendum when the SNP has proven that it can't accept Scots' democratic decision?

The problem for Loyalists is that the decision was not clear and the actual argument was fundamentally lost (perhaps forever) by the Loyalists. They could not find any reason to remain in the UK outside of (quite improbably) threats which still had an element of truthiness, enough to add on to the core Ideologically bigoted Loyalist support and scape a No vote.

But this complete loss of the argument by the Loyalists has left them struggling and relying on idiotic nonsense like you do here. Denying a democratic choice at a future time decided by the electorate of Scotland. It is the dumbest outlook imaginable and just highlights the paucity of the argument for maintaining the Union.

What is it with this "loyalist" schtick you have started spouting recently? Makes you sound like a sixth form revolutionary trying to be hip to impress the girls.

AndyJS

Disappointing series from a cricket point of view. Only Cardiff was a competitive match.

flightpath01

MarkHopkins said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. StClare, we'll see how important the cat vote is when Labour announce taxpayer subsidy of milk and cream.

The Anti-(Mouse)-Hunting bill may be introduced.

Catastrophy for Labour
Paws for thought in the Labour election?
Plain labelling for cat food?
Claws 4 out in the labour candidate cat fight
Cooper by a whisker.
Kendall used up all of her nine lives?
No feline whip from Corbyn?
Litter tray full of poo from Burnham.

HurstLlama

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Llama, whatever do you mean?

Hee, hee. Now if you had said Liz Truss or Priti Patel, well, I might have had to go and bathe my wrists in cold water.

By the way, are you still on for a rematch at the Brazilian next month? Same rules as last time. I am trying to get a firm date out of my boy but that is like trying to nail a jelly.

calum

FPT

Plato said:

Mr @calum As a thoughtful SNPer, what do you think the impact of the 70% fall in the oil price will be on SIndy?

Given it was a key argument in the campaign at £100+.

I think focusing on the price of oil today is not that relevant to SNPers views on independence - its the Unionist parties, political commentators and a few folks on this site who seem completely obsessed with the oil price. Most Scots are just glad that fuel is cheaper and very few lose any sleep about the oil price.

Aberdeen is clearly the city where folks are much more aware of the oil industry, however even here production levels matter more than price, Scottish oil production is at a 15 year high and due to tax incentives, belatedly introduced in the budget, oil companies are continuing to invest. The Coalition's 3 month delay in introducing the tax incentives, in a naïve attempt to damage the SNP, cost thousands of jobs.

From the SNP perspective oil taxes over the last 35 years constitutes a £300 billion transfer of revenues to London, with Scotland receiving little direct benefit from how these revenues were spent. Having lived and worked in London for most of the last 30 years, I'm happy to admit that I benefited particularly in the 1980s and 1990s, as these revenues were used to re-gentrify London. In their recent Northern Powerhouse announcements both Cameron and Osbo have admitted that for to long investment has been focused on London and the South East.

In terms of what the SNP person on the street believes. I think they view Scotland as having a diverse economy and probably do buy the SNP line that oil revenues are a bonus. Scott and the likes of Chokkablog (Kevin Hauge) can huff and puff all they like about the oil price - but they're pretty much wasting their time shouting into an echo chamber.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Llama, perhaps. Ask me nearer the time [circumstances may not permit it].

tyson

Great- just back from a rustic Italian lunch in the remote Tuscan Appenines. Fantastic cheeses, tarts, truffle, soufflé , hand made pastas, coffee, and of course local wines. There are even some wild boar roaming outside a fence you can feed some scraps to. Simple Italian local food- I cannot think of what better cuisine you could find anywhere.

But the transendence of Bolt. Virtually the whole restaurant crowded around my iPhone for the race- and everyone went quite mad when he won. The owner even opened up a bottle of vintage grappa to celebrate.


Ussain Bolt- man of the year and the greatest athlete in history. He has made many, many people very happy today.

Now I am off for a well earned siesta in an unusually good mood.

HYUFD

Dair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

kle4 said:

It's their reason for existence, they cannot accept it if it goes against.

Agreed, but since the SNP has conceded that they can't call a legitimate referendum and that only HMG can do that, why would HMG permit a second referendum when the SNP has proven that it can't accept Scots' democratic decision?

The problem for Loyalists is that the decision was not clear and the actual argument was fundamentally lost (perhaps forever) by the Loyalists. They could not find any reason to remain in the UK outside of (quite improbably) threats which still had an element of truthiness, enough to add on to the core Ideologically bigoted Loyalist support and scape a No vote.

But this complete loss of the argument by the Loyalists has left them struggling and relying on idiotic nonsense like you do here. Denying a democratic choice at a future time decided by the electorate of Scotland. It is the dumbest outlook imaginable and just highlights the paucity of the argument for maintaining the Union.

Well polls show Scots do not want a referendum for at least another 5-10 years so it is unlikely to be for this government to decide anyway

Sunil_Prasannan

Sunil on Sunday endorses Corbyn - finally!

Op ed: Why Corbyn is the best chance for the Tory Labour Party's chances in 2020

HYUFD

The_Apocalypse said:

Morris_Dancer said:

FPT:
Miss Apocalypse, worth noting some gay men in Muslim countries (whose regimes are not exactly gay-friendly) used Ashley Madison rather than better known apps like Grindr/Tindr[sp] to avoid the authorities being able to find them easily, and are now terrified of being subject to whatever punishment is deemed appropriate in such countries.

Not to mention, some people have open relationships, and others will simply have been lying/role-playing.

F1: just writing the post-race ramble now.

On-topic: I concur. I think it'll be announced on time, although that may not be the end of the story.

I feel sorry for those gay men, but not for the others - you can easily access people for open relationships in normal dating sites, as opposed to going after married people.

Adultery is also illegal in the likes of Saudi Arabia, indeed so is sex before marriage

Omnium

The_Apocalypse said:

Morris_Dancer said:

FPT:
Miss Apocalypse, worth noting some gay men in Muslim countries (whose regimes are not exactly gay-friendly) used Ashley Madison rather than better known apps like Grindr/Tindr[sp] to avoid the authorities being able to find them easily, and are now terrified of being subject to whatever punishment is deemed appropriate in such countries.

Not to mention, some people have open relationships, and others will simply have been lying/role-playing.

F1: just writing the post-race ramble now.

On-topic: I concur. I think it'll be announced on time, although that may not be the end of the story.

I feel sorry for those gay men, but not for the others - you can easily access people for open relationships in normal dating sites, as opposed to going after married people.

If someone wishes to fail to deliver on their vows surely that's their own business. Married people are hardly being randomly targeted by these sites - they have to join.

I feel sorry for anyone that is trying to work their way through their life as best they can, and where anyone makes that a harder thing to do. We certainly have the right to judge as much as we like, but precisely zero rights to sentence.

HYUFD

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

Morris_Dancer

Mr. HYUFD, is that a spoof?

HYUFD

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. HYUFD, is that a spoof?

Nope, it has also been reported in the Express. It seems Ed thinks he lost because he was too centrist

Omnium

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

What a chump!

SquareRoot

HYUFD said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. HYUFD, is that a spoof?

Nope, it has also been reported in the Express. It seems Ed thinks he lost because he was too centrist

The left really are deluded. Words fail one

MarqueeMark

It isn't often you go to a Devon garden centre and find an armed response unit there....

Triffid outbreak?

HYUFD

I th

SquareRoot said:

HYUFD said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. HYUFD, is that a spoof?

Nope, it has also been reported in the Express. It seems Ed thinks he lost because he was too centrist

The left really are deluded. Words fail one

I think if you just look at Scotland Ed may have a point, in England and Wales he is completely wrong

Disraeli

HurstLlama said:

Dair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

kle4 said:

It's their reason for existence, they cannot accept it if it goes against.

Agreed, but since the SNP has conceded that they can't call a legitimate referendum and that only HMG can do that, why would HMG permit a second referendum when the SNP has proven that it can't accept Scots' democratic decision?

The problem for Loyalists is that the decision was not clear and the actual argument was fundamentally lost (perhaps forever) by the Loyalists. They could not find any reason to remain in the UK outside of (quite improbably) threats which still had an element of truthiness, enough to add on to the core Ideologically bigoted Loyalist support and scape a No vote.

But this complete loss of the argument by the Loyalists has left them struggling and relying on idiotic nonsense like you do here. Denying a democratic choice at a future time decided by the electorate of Scotland. It is the dumbest outlook imaginable and just highlights the paucity of the argument for maintaining the Union.

What is it with this "loyalist" schtick you have started spouting recently? Makes you sound like a sixth form revolutionary trying to be hip to impress the girls.

Mr Llama, he's been doing it for over a month to my knowledge.

At the beginning, a couple of people pulled him up on it, and now he does it deliberately to provoke everyone.

It's a great shame, because when he posts in "grown up" mode, Dair can be very interesting indeed.

CarlottaVance

FPT:

Dair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

kle4 said:

It's their reason for existence, they cannot accept it if it goes against.

Agreed, but since the SNP has conceded that they can't call a legitimate referendum and that only HMG can do that, why would HMG permit a second referendum when the SNP has proven that it can't accept Scots' democratic decision?

The problem for Loyalists is that the decision was not clear and the actual argument was fundamentally lost (perhaps forever) by the Loyalists.

Its the way you tell'em!

Best laugh of the day!

The_Apocalypse

Omnium said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Morris_Dancer said:

FPT:
Miss Apocalypse, worth noting some gay men in Muslim countries (whose regimes are not exactly gay-friendly) used Ashley Madison rather than better known apps like Grindr/Tindr[sp] to avoid the authorities being able to find them easily, and are now terrified of being subject to whatever punishment is deemed appropriate in such countries.

Not to mention, some people have open relationships, and others will simply have been lying/role-playing.

F1: just writing the post-race ramble now.

On-topic: I concur. I think it'll be announced on time, although that may not be the end of the story.

I feel sorry for those gay men, but not for the others - you can easily access people for open relationships in normal dating sites, as opposed to going after married people.

If someone wishes to fail to deliver on their vows surely that's their own business. Married people are hardly being randomly targeted by these sites - they have to join.

I feel sorry for anyone that is trying to work their way through their life as best they can, and where anyone makes that a harder thing to do. We certainly have the right to judge as much as we like, but precisely zero rights to sentence.

I agree that it's their own business, however that doesn't mean I have to feel sorry for them. I don't feel sorry for individuals who deliberately lie and deceive their partners, whose actions will now be responsible for the breakdown of many families, as well as hurting those closest to them.

As for 'anyone making it harder thing to do' - well, the individuals who signed up to the website caused their own havoc. If they can't commit, don't get married/be in a relationship.

Disraeli

@Morris_Dancer
Mr Dancer, as you are our resident F1 expert, may I ask a question?
Is that nonsense about awarding double points for the last race still in effect this season?

flightpath01

MTimT said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Llama, I've often said foreign aid is ridiculous.

Properly targeted and implemented, it need not be. But for the most part it is.

You make a good point.
Aid is needed however if we are to end economic migration. And lets not forget the humanity in us helping poorer nations. Lets not forget the lost opportunity that goes with the lost and or impoverished lives
Aid with hard nosed terms, because with poverty comes dictatorships. To end poverty we need to see the rise of democracy.

oxfordsimon

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Disraeli, thankfully not [though 'expert' may be overcooking the goose].

Omnium

The_Apocalypse said:

Omnium said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Morris_Dancer said:

FPT:
Miss Apocalypse, worth noting some gay men in Muslim countries (whose regimes are not exactly gay-friendly) used Ashley Madison rather than better known apps like Grindr/Tindr[sp] to avoid the authorities being able to find them easily, and are now terrified of being subject to whatever punishment is deemed appropriate in such countries.

Not to mention, some people have open relationships, and others will simply have been lying/role-playing.

F1: just writing the post-race ramble now.

On-topic: I concur. I think it'll be announced on time, although that may not be the end of the story.

I feel sorry for those gay men, but not for the others - you can easily access people for open relationships in normal dating sites, as opposed to going after married people.

If someone wishes to fail to deliver on their vows surely that's their own business. Married people are hardly being randomly targeted by these sites - they have to join.

I feel sorry for anyone that is trying to work their way through their life as best they can, and where anyone makes that a harder thing to do. We certainly have the right to judge as much as we like, but precisely zero rights to sentence.

I agree that it's their own business, however that doesn't mean I have to feel sorry for them. I don't feel sorry for individuals who deliberately lie and deceive their partners, whose actions will now be responsible for the breakdown of many families, as well as hurting those closest to them.

As for 'anyone making it harder thing to do' - well, the individuals who signed up to the website caused their own havoc. If they can't commit, don't get married/be in a relationship.

Apologies. I rather put words into your mouth.

The_Apocalypse

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

The_Apocalypse

Omnium said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Omnium said:

The_Apocalypse said:

Morris_Dancer said:

FPT:
Miss Apocalypse, worth noting some gay men in Muslim countries (whose regimes are not exactly gay-friendly) used Ashley Madison rather than better known apps like Grindr/Tindr[sp] to avoid the authorities being able to find them easily, and are now terrified of being subject to whatever punishment is deemed appropriate in such countries.

Not to mention, some people have open relationships, and others will simply have been lying/role-playing.

F1: just writing the post-race ramble now.

On-topic: I concur. I think it'll be announced on time, although that may not be the end of the story.

I feel sorry for those gay men, but not for the others - you can easily access people for open relationships in normal dating sites, as opposed to going after married people.

If someone wishes to fail to deliver on their vows surely that's their own business. Married people are hardly being randomly targeted by these sites - they have to join.

I feel sorry for anyone that is trying to work their way through their life as best they can, and where anyone makes that a harder thing to do. We certainly have the right to judge as much as we like, but precisely zero rights to sentence.

I agree that it's their own business, however that doesn't mean I have to feel sorry for them. I don't feel sorry for individuals who deliberately lie and deceive their partners, whose actions will now be responsible for the breakdown of many families, as well as hurting those closest to them.

As for 'anyone making it harder thing to do' - well, the individuals who signed up to the website caused their own havoc. If they can't commit, don't get married/be in a relationship.

Apologies. I rather put words into your mouth.

It's okay

HYUFD

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

His third holiday since the election I believe

CarlottaVance

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

Oh I dunno.....he brought in this new Leader Election process which has added endlessly to the Gaiety of the Nation......

oxfordsimon

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair, he did hold Labour together for over 4 years. There was relatively little in the way of open revolt during his time as Leader. He may not have been a great leader but he did hold the party together.

But that isn't really much of a legacy considering how that has now fallen apart pretty much completely.

flightpath01

CarlottaVance said:

FPT:

Dair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

kle4 said:

It's their reason for existence, they cannot accept it if it goes against.

Agreed, but since the SNP has conceded that they can't call a legitimate referendum and that only HMG can do that, why would HMG permit a second referendum when the SNP has proven that it can't accept Scots' democratic decision?

The problem for Loyalists is that the decision was not clear and the actual argument was fundamentally lost (perhaps forever) by the Loyalists.

Its the way you tell'em!
Best laugh of the day!

The logic of Corbynites is catching on.

CarlottaVance

flightpath01 said:

CarlottaVance said:

FPT:

Dair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

kle4 said:

It's their reason for existence, they cannot accept it if it goes against.

Agreed, but since the SNP has conceded that they can't call a legitimate referendum and that only HMG can do that, why would HMG permit a second referendum when the SNP has proven that it can't accept Scots' democratic decision?

The problem for Loyalists is that the decision was not clear and the actual argument was fundamentally lost (perhaps forever) by the Loyalists.

Its the way you tell'em!
Best laugh of the day!

The logic of Corbynites is catching on.

Are you sure its spreading South to North?

It might be the other way round......

MarqueeMark

oxfordsimon said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair, he did hold Labour together for over 4 years. There was relatively little in the way of open revolt during his time as Leader. He may not have been a great leader but he did hold the party together.

But that isn't really much of a legacy considering how that has now fallen apart pretty much completely.

He only kept the party together for 4 years because no-one else wanted his job.

And frankly, with the way things went at the election, and have gone since, you can see why.

It's like nobody wanting the top job at Barclays or BP or M&S. Just weird...when the people in the succession planning don't want the job, your brand is fundamentally fooked.

HurstLlama

Disraeli said:

HurstLlama said:

Dair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

kle4 said:

It's their reason for existence, they cannot accept it if it goes against.

Agreed, but since the SNP has conceded that they can't call a legitimate referendum and that only HMG can do that, why would HMG permit a second referendum when the SNP has proven that it can't accept Scots' democratic decision?

The problem for Loyalists is that the decision was not clear and the actual argument was fundamentally lost (perhaps forever) by the Loyalists. They could not find any reason to remain in the UK outside of (quite improbably) threats which still had an element of truthiness, enough to add on to the core Ideologically bigoted Loyalist support and scape a No vote.

But this complete loss of the argument by the Loyalists has left them struggling and relying on idiotic nonsense like you do here. Denying a democratic choice at a future time decided by the electorate of Scotland. It is the dumbest outlook imaginable and just highlights the paucity of the argument for maintaining the Union.

What is it with this "loyalist" schtick you have started spouting recently? Makes you sound like a sixth form revolutionary trying to be hip to impress the girls.

Mr Llama, he's been doing it for over a month to my knowledge.

At the beginning, a couple of people pulled him up on it, and now he does it deliberately to provoke everyone.

It's a great shame, because when he posts in "grown up" mode, Dair can be very interesting indeed.

Well if he wants to behave like a child I suppose we best treat him as one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE9LqY5PhbA

HYUFD

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair Foot and Brown were probably worse, in 1983 Foot saw Labour's voteshare fall by 9% in 1983 from the share Callaghan got in 1979 and Brown saw Labour's voteshare fall by 6% from the share Blair got in 2005. Miliband at least increased Labour's voteshare, even if by just 1%

Omnium

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

He's just the first ever Labour leader without any fixed policies of his own. I imagine he seems 'a bit geeky but nice' to almost anyone of any political view.

Foot - what'll make the Russians sing
Kinnock - what'll make the miners sing
Smith - what'll make the conference sing
Blair - what'll make the lawyers sing
Brown - what'll make me sing
Ed - what'll make me a singer?

Disraeli

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Disraeli, thankfully not [though 'expert' may be overcooking the goose].

Mr Dancer - Thank You! (And you are too modest, as well as unique. The combo of being knowledgeable about politics, Formula 1 and warfare in classical times must be a rare one! )

rottenborough

HYUFD said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair Foot and Brown were probably worse, in 1983 Foot saw Labour's voteshare fall by 9% in 1983 from the share Callaghan got in 1979 and Brown saw Labour's voteshare fall by 6% from the share Blair got in 2005. Miliband at least increased Labour's voteshare, even if by just 1%

Isobel Hardman put it best this morning - Ed M is a nice bloke, and intelligent, just hopeless at politics.

bigjohnowls

Andy Burnham has been complaining about the infiltration of Tories

I thought Andy was talking about Kendall.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Disraeli, np.

The first six races of the year (every one red) rather belie that claim, but thanks anyway.

The double points rule was bloody ridiculous (as was Ecclestone's real desire of three double points races at the end). Glad that was kicked into touch.

rottenborough

Just catching up with things. What's all this nonsense about BBC weather going to be provided by a Dutch or NZ firm rather than MET. Have we debated this one on PB? Is it just a load of silly season froth or serious?

HYUFD

MarqueeMark said:

oxfordsimon said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair, he did hold Labour together for over 4 years. There was relatively little in the way of open revolt during his time as Leader. He may not have been a great leader but he did hold the party together.

But that isn't really much of a legacy considering how that has now fallen apart pretty much completely.

He only kept the party together for 4 years because no-one else wanted his job.

And frankly, with the way things went at the election, and have gone since, you can see why.

It's like nobody wanting the top job at Barclays or BP or M&S. Just weird...when the people in the succession planning don't want the job, your brand is fundamentally fooked.

Hague did a similar thing from 1997-2001 holding the Tories together over Europe and not many wanted his job either

JosiasJessop

HurstLlama said:

Disraeli said:

HurstLlama said:

Dair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

kle4 said:

It's their reason for existence, they cannot accept it if it goes against.

Agreed, but since the SNP has conceded that they can't call a legitimate referendum and that only HMG can do that, why would HMG permit a second referendum when the SNP has proven that it can't accept Scots' democratic decision?

The problem for Loyalists is that the decision was not clear and the actual argument was fundamentally lost (perhaps forever) by the Loyalists. They could not find any reason to remain in the UK outside of (quite improbably) threats which still had an element of truthiness, enough to add on to the core Ideologically bigoted Loyalist support and scape a No vote.

But this complete loss of the argument by the Loyalists has left them struggling and relying on idiotic nonsense like you do here. Denying a democratic choice at a future time decided by the electorate of Scotland. It is the dumbest outlook imaginable and just highlights the paucity of the argument for maintaining the Union.

What is it with this "loyalist" schtick you have started spouting recently? Makes you sound like a sixth form revolutionary trying to be hip to impress the girls.

Mr Llama, he's been doing it for over a month to my knowledge.

At the beginning, a couple of people pulled him up on it, and now he does it deliberately to provoke everyone.

It's a great shame, because when he posts in "grown up" mode, Dair can be very interesting indeed.

Well if he wants to behave like a child I suppose we best treat him as one:

(Snippety snip)

Since acceptable antonyms of 'loyalist' are turncoat and traitor, I suggest we refer to him and his ilk with such words.

HYUFD

rottenborough said:

HYUFD said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair Foot and Brown were probably worse, in 1983 Foot saw Labour's voteshare fall by 9% in 1983 from the share Callaghan got in 1979 and Brown saw Labour's voteshare fall by 6% from the share Blair got in 2005. Miliband at least increased Labour's voteshare, even if by just 1%

Isobel Hardman put it best this morning - Ed M is a nice bloke, and intelligent, just hopeless at politics.

Indeed, he would have been better as an academic than a politician

flightpath01

HYUFD said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair Foot and Brown were probably worse, in 1983 Foot saw Labour's voteshare fall by 9% in 1983 from the share Callaghan got in 1979 and Brown saw Labour's voteshare fall by 6% from the share Blair got in 2005. Miliband at least increased Labour's voteshare, even if by just 1%

From 29%
Remind me how many seats he won in Scotland?

All comparisons should leave Brown out because he was from another planet.

MattW

HurstLlama said:

Dair said:

ThreeQuidder said:

kle4 said:

It's their reason for existence, they cannot accept it if it goes against.

Agreed, but since the SNP has conceded that they can't call a legitimate referendum and that only HMG can do that, why would HMG permit a second referendum when the SNP has proven that it can't accept Scots' democratic decision?

The problem for Loyalists is that the decision was not clear and the actual argument was fundamentally lost (perhaps forever) by the Loyalists. They could not find any reason to remain in the UK outside of (quite improbably) threats which still had an element of truthiness, enough to add on to the core Ideologically bigoted Loyalist support and scape a No vote.

But this complete loss of the argument by the Loyalists has left them struggling and relying on idiotic nonsense like you do here. Denying a democratic choice at a future time decided by the electorate of Scotland. It is the dumbest outlook imaginable and just highlights the paucity of the argument for maintaining the Union.

What is it with this "loyalist" schtick you have started spouting recently? Makes you sound like a sixth form revolutionary trying to be hip to impress the girls.

I think our Nationalist brethren have been reading too much early Owen Jones.

http://www.mail-archive.com/leninist-international@lists.wwpublish.com/msg01395.html

(Warning: quite fruity. Even I wasn't that rude aged 16.)

:-D

justin124

flightpath01 said:

HYUFD said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair Foot and Brown were probably worse, in 1983 Foot saw Labour's voteshare fall by 9% in 1983 from the share Callaghan got in 1979 and Brown saw Labour's voteshare fall by 6% from the share Blair got in 2005. Miliband at least increased Labour's voteshare, even if by just 1%

From 29%
Remind me how many seats he won in Scotland?

All comparisons should leave Brown out because he was from another planet.

From 29.7% to 31.2% in GB.

oxfordsimon

justin124 said:

flightpath01 said:

HYUFD said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair Foot and Brown were probably worse, in 1983 Foot saw Labour's voteshare fall by 9% in 1983 from the share Callaghan got in 1979 and Brown saw Labour's voteshare fall by 6% from the share Blair got in 2005. Miliband at least increased Labour's voteshare, even if by just 1%

From 29%
Remind me how many seats he won in Scotland?

All comparisons should leave Brown out because he was from another planet.

From 29.7% to 31.2% in GB.

When you factor in the collapse in the LD vote, that is a massive underperformance.

flightpath01

MarqueeMark said:

It isn't often you go to a Devon garden centre and find an armed response unit there....

Triffid outbreak?

Clotted cream tea cakes to die for?

HYUFD

flightpath01 said:

HYUFD said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair Foot and Brown were probably worse, in 1983 Foot saw Labour's voteshare fall by 9% in 1983 from the share Callaghan got in 1979 and Brown saw Labour's voteshare fall by 6% from the share Blair got in 2005. Miliband at least increased Labour's voteshare, even if by just 1%

From 29%
Remind me how many seats he won in Scotland?

All comparisons should leave Brown out because he was from another planet.

Yes, but you can only compare what a leader was left with when he arrived and what he left. Miliband did not increase Labour's voteshare as much as Kinnock or Blair did (or indeed as much as Smith did in the polls) but nonetheless he did not cut it like Foot and Brown did either

foxinsoxuk

rottenborough said:

Just catching up with things. What's all this nonsense about BBC weather going to be provided by a Dutch or NZ firm rather than MET. Have we debated this one on PB? Is it just a load of silly season froth or serious?

I hope that we keep the shipping forecast. It has the doleful tones of liturgy, the NZ one would never be a substitute. I think it would get low ratings, after all there are not many of us who want to know whether it is raining in Hokitika!

rottenborough

foxinsoxuk said:

rottenborough said:

Just catching up with things. What's all this nonsense about BBC weather going to be provided by a Dutch or NZ firm rather than MET. Have we debated this one on PB? Is it just a load of silly season froth or serious?

I hope that we keep the shipping forecast. It has the doleful tones of liturgy, the NZ one would never be a substitute. I think it would get low ratings, after all there are not many of us who want to know whether it is raining in Hokitika!

Strikes me news management has been in full force on this one. Slipped out on a Saturday evening in late August, with parliament not sitting and huge numbers on holiday.

The Met Office are the world's best - why the hell aren't the BBC supporting them?

foxinsoxuk

flightpath01 said:

MarqueeMark said:

It isn't often you go to a Devon garden centre and find an armed response unit there....

Triffid outbreak?

Clotted cream tea cakes to die for?

Are the Hot Fuzz on the case?

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0425112/

rottenborough

Met Office. There is now a petition on Change.org -

https://www.change.org/p/bbc-urge-the-bbc-to-reconsider-its-decision-not-to-renew-the-met-office-contract

logical_song

rottenborough said:

foxinsoxuk said:

rottenborough said:

Just catching up with things. What's all this nonsense about BBC weather going to be provided by a Dutch or NZ firm rather than MET. Have we debated this one on PB? Is it just a load of silly season froth or serious?

I hope that we keep the shipping forecast. It has the doleful tones of liturgy, the NZ one would never be a substitute. I think it would get low ratings, after all there are not many of us who want to know whether it is raining in Hokitika!

Strikes me news management has been in full force on this one. Slipped out on a Saturday evening in late August, with parliament not sitting and huge numbers on holiday.

The Met Office are the world's best - why the hell aren't the BBC supporting them?

It must be money, the BBC now has to pay for free TV licences for over 75s, so they'll have to save money.

Pauly

rottenborough said:

foxinsoxuk said:

rottenborough said:

Just catching up with things. What's all this nonsense about BBC weather going to be provided by a Dutch or NZ firm rather than MET. Have we debated this one on PB? Is it just a load of silly season froth or serious?

I hope that we keep the shipping forecast. It has the doleful tones of liturgy, the NZ one would never be a substitute. I think it would get low ratings, after all there are not many of us who want to know whether it is raining in Hokitika!

Strikes me news management has been in full force on this one. Slipped out on a Saturday evening in late August, with parliament not sitting and huge numbers on holiday.

The Met Office are the world's best - why the hell aren't the BBC supporting them?

If they're the best they should easily win the contract...

MarkHopkins

logical_song said:

rottenborough said:

foxinsoxuk said:

rottenborough said:

Just catching up with things. What's all this nonsense about BBC weather going to be provided by a Dutch or NZ firm rather than MET. Have we debated this one on PB? Is it just a load of silly season froth or serious?

I hope that we keep the shipping forecast. It has the doleful tones of liturgy, the NZ one would never be a substitute. I think it would get low ratings, after all there are not many of us who want to know whether it is raining in Hokitika!

Strikes me news management has been in full force on this one. Slipped out on a Saturday evening in late August, with parliament not sitting and huge numbers on holiday.

The Met Office are the world's best - why the hell aren't the BBC supporting them?

It must be money, the BBC now has to pay for free TV licences for over 75s, so they'll have to save money.

Oh, it's a way to make the Tories look bad. Quelle Surprise.

The_Apocalypse

HYUFD said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair Foot and Brown were probably worse, in 1983 Foot saw Labour's voteshare fall by 9% in 1983 from the share Callaghan got in 1979 and Brown saw Labour's voteshare fall by 6% from the share Blair got in 2005. Miliband at least increased Labour's voteshare, even if by just 1%

Tbf, I was talking about general contribution to the party rather than neccessarily how they did in elections - Foot from what I've read was a respected figure, and great orator; Callaghan held numerous Offices of State, and Brown was a part of the successful New Labour reforms which allowed them to win in 1997, and he kept Scotland as well.

What on earth has Ed Miliband done for Labour, at any point from the 80s to now, by comparison?

The_Apocalypse

Omnium said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

He's just the first ever Labour leader without any fixed policies of his own. I imagine he seems 'a bit geeky but nice' to almost anyone of any political view.

Foot - what'll make the Russians sing
Kinnock - what'll make the miners sing
Smith - what'll make the conference sing
Blair - what'll make the lawyers sing
Brown - what'll make me sing
Ed - what'll make me a singer?

It's that fact, that makes it incredibly strange he risked his relationship with his own brother and the fracturing of his family to be leader.

flightpath01

foxinsoxuk said:

rottenborough said:

Just catching up with things. What's all this nonsense about BBC weather going to be provided by a Dutch or NZ firm rather than MET. Have we debated this one on PB? Is it just a load of silly season froth or serious?

I hope that we keep the shipping forecast. It has the doleful tones of liturgy, the NZ one would never be a substitute. I think it would get low ratings, after all there are not many of us who want to know whether it is raining in Hokitika!

They are keeping storm warnings.
It seems they are transfering over the presenters as well. For worried fans of Carol Kirkwood's, they are employed by the BBC direct.
Also the new supplier may simply buy in the BBC data.
Go figure.

The_Apocalypse

oxfordsimon said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair, he did hold Labour together for over 4 years. There was relatively little in the way of open revolt during his time as Leader. He may not have been a great leader but he did hold the party together.

But that isn't really much of a legacy considering how that has now fallen apart pretty much completely.

Miliband always tends to get credited for that, but I think his own indecisiveness meant there was nothing to have an opinion on, and thus get divided about in the first place.

CarlottaVance

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair, he did hold Labour together for over 4 years. There was relatively little in the way of open revolt during his time as Leader. He may not have been a great leader but he did hold the party together.

But that isn't really much of a legacy considering how that has now fallen apart pretty much completely.

Miliband always tends to get credited for that, but I think his own indecisiveness meant there was nothing to have an opinion on, and thus get divided about in the first place.

I also think the PLP shows commendable steadiness under fire (perhaps too much) and doesn't panic at the first sign of trouble (Yes, Tories, I'm looking at you....)

rottenborough

Pauly said:

rottenborough said:

foxinsoxuk said:

rottenborough said:

Just catching up with things. What's all this nonsense about BBC weather going to be provided by a Dutch or NZ firm rather than MET. Have we debated this one on PB? Is it just a load of silly season froth or serious?

I hope that we keep the shipping forecast. It has the doleful tones of liturgy, the NZ one would never be a substitute. I think it would get low ratings, after all there are not many of us who want to know whether it is raining in Hokitika!

Strikes me news management has been in full force on this one. Slipped out on a Saturday evening in late August, with parliament not sitting and huge numbers on holiday.

The Met Office are the world's best - why the hell aren't the BBC supporting them?

If they're the best they should easily win the contract...

Not if price only decision.

Pauly

rottenborough said:

Pauly said:

rottenborough said:

foxinsoxuk said:

rottenborough said:

Just catching up with things. What's all this nonsense about BBC weather going to be provided by a Dutch or NZ firm rather than MET. Have we debated this one on PB? Is it just a load of silly season froth or serious?

I hope that we keep the shipping forecast. It has the doleful tones of liturgy, the NZ one would never be a substitute. I think it would get low ratings, after all there are not many of us who want to know whether it is raining in Hokitika!

Strikes me news management has been in full force on this one. Slipped out on a Saturday evening in late August, with parliament not sitting and huge numbers on holiday.

The Met Office are the world's best - why the hell aren't the BBC supporting them?

If they're the best they should easily win the contract...

Not if price only decision.

"We are legally required to go through an open tender process and take forward the strongest bids to make sure we secure both the best possible service and value for money for the licence fee payer."
"best possible service" and "value for money"
There is no reason to believe it will be a price only decision - that would just be absurd.

SquareRoot

Mandleson saved Brown's blushes in 2010 , without Mandleson, Labour would have been stuffed.

Omnium

The_Apocalypse said:

Omnium said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

He's just the first ever Labour leader without any fixed policies of his own. I imagine he seems 'a bit geeky but nice' to almost anyone of any political view.

Foot - what'll make the Russians sing
Kinnock - what'll make the miners sing
Smith - what'll make the conference sing
Blair - what'll make the lawyers sing
Brown - what'll make me sing
Ed - what'll make me a singer?

It's that fact, that makes it incredibly strange he risked his relationship with his own brother and the fracturing of his family to be leader.

He's just in the wrong career - he's too clever to espouse really stupid views, and too dumb to have intelligent views of his own. If he can fly a flag safely behind an advancing tank he will. I think this is true of many of us, but if it is we don't do something stupid like choose politics as our career!

HYUFD

The_Apocalypse said:

HYUFD said:

The_Apocalypse said:

oxfordsimon said:

HYUFD said:

Ed Miliband says he lost because he was not 'radical' enough.

'The former Labour chief wishes he’d been “much bolder” after watching Marxist throwback Jeremy Corbyn take the leadership race by storm.

He’s told senior party figures he would probably be PM now if he’d lived up to his “Red Ed” nickname more fully.

He should have “challenged the City’s grip on the economy” and renationalised the railways.'
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/red-ed-says-he-wasnt-red-enough/

He must have picked up a bit of sunstroke on one of his post-resignation holidays.

Deluded doesn't even come close.

Ed Miliband surely must be the biggest idiot ever to lead the Labour party?! Nearly every other Labour leader of the last 30 years - Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown - at least did something for the party, regardless of their flaws.

To be fair Foot and Brown were probably worse, in 1983 Foot saw Labour's voteshare fall by 9% in 1983 from the share Callaghan got in 1979 and Brown saw Labour's voteshare fall by 6% from the share Blair got in 2005. Miliband at least increased Labour's voteshare, even if by just 1%

Tbf, I was talking about general contribution to the party rather than neccessarily how they did in elections - Foot from what I've read was a respected figure, and great orator; Callaghan held numerous Offices of State, and Brown was a part of the successful New Labour reforms which allowed them to win in 1997, and he kept Scotland as well.

What on earth has Ed Miliband done for Labour, at any point from the 80s to now, by comparison?

Well at the end of the day you can only judge a party leader on their election record, Foot may have been a great orator but he also led Labour to its worst result since 1918 and the defection of prominent figures to the SDP. Brown led the move away from Blairism which led Labour to its present difficulties and did even worse in 2010 than Miliband did in 2015.

I never said anything about Callaghan, although he was defeated in 1979 he still led Labour to a respectable 36% of the vote

CarlottaVance

rottenborough said:

Pauly said:

rottenborough said:

foxinsoxuk said:

rottenborough said:

Just catching up with things. What's all this nonsense about BBC weather going to be provided by a Dutch or NZ firm rather than MET. Have we debated this one on PB? Is it just a load of silly season froth or serious?

I hope that we keep the shipping forecast. It has the doleful tones of liturgy, the NZ one would never be a substitute. I think it would get low ratings, after all there are not many of us who want to know whether it is raining in Hokitika!

Strikes me news management has been in full force on this one. Slipped out on a Saturday evening in late August, with parliament not sitting and huge numbers on holiday.

The Met Office are the world's best - why the hell aren't the BBC supporting them?

If they're the best they should easily win the contract...

Not if price only decision.

Unless there is a significant improvement in forecasting the BBC will get it in the neck for hiring a (foreign) Meteorologist over the (British) Met Office.......

If there's one thing the British enjoy complaining more about than the weather...its the weather forecasts.....throw 'foreign' into the mix and the BBC may have been too clever by half.....the Tory stictcher-uppers may have stitched up themselves.....

bigjohnowls

Please tell me Keely is employed by the BBC not the Met Office

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h0a_zzl9Yc

bigjohnowls

Scorchio

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=keely+weather+girl&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAWoVChMI0O-Ouci_xwIVB4LbCh074wm3&biw=907&bih=423#imgrc=GpJVF7HQ1hwpSM:

bigjohnowls

Andy Wants to know

John, have you voted yet?

I think he reckons I am a Tory infiltrator

Disraeli

SquareRoot said:

Mandleson saved Brown's blushes in 2010 , without Mandleson, Labour would have been stuffed.

2010 was also the last election in which the late Philip Gould had any input.

Gould was a very valuable behind-the-scenes man, and his contribution to Labour's comeback post 1987 should not be underestimated.

SquareRoot

Disraeli said:

SquareRoot said:

Mandleson saved Brown's blushes in 2010 , without Mandleson, Labour would have been stuffed.

2010 was also the last election in which the late Philip Gould had any input.

Gould was a very valuable behind-the-scenes man, and his contribution to Labour's comeback post 1987 should not be underestimated.

Indeed , quite so, but I thought the election campaign had the hallmarks of Mandleson when it was clear Labour wasn't going to win. I reckon it saved Labour 20 seats at least.

Omnium

SquareRoot said:

Mandleson saved Brown's blushes in 2010 , without Mandleson, Labour would have been stuffed.

Mandelson also performed the magical trick of getting very rich, very quickly, and yet never really apparently earning very much. Ho hum... ooh is that a tumbleweed!?...

foxinsoxuk

bigjohnowls said:

Please tell me Keely is employed by the BBC not the Met Office
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h0a_zzl9Yc

Maybe Petroula will get the gig? After all Greece needs the money!

Here's one for pb cat lovers:

https://youtu.be/PUfJhwVXVMA

JosiasJessop

It's funny how this Met Office story has come out the same day as the Saville story ...

Disraeli

SquareRoot said:

Disraeli said:

SquareRoot said:

Mandleson saved Brown's blushes in 2010 , without Mandleson, Labour would have been stuffed.

2010 was also the last election in which the late Philip Gould had any input.

Gould was a very valuable behind-the-scenes man, and his contribution to Labour's comeback post 1987 should not be underestimated.

Indeed , quite so, but I thought the election campaign had the hallmarks of Mandleson when it was clear Labour wasn't going to win. I reckon it saved Labour 20 seats at least.

Good analysis.

JosiasJessop

foxinsoxuk said:

bigjohnowls said:

Please tell me Keely is employed by the BBC not the Met Office
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h0a_zzl9Yc

Maybe Petroula will get the gig? After all Greece needs the money!

Here's one for pb cat lovers:

(snip)

One for the furries and/or leather fetishists ...

Ahem. I meant rubber ...

bigjohnowls

JosiasJessop said:

It's funny how this Met Office story has come out the same day as the Saville story ...

What Saville story!!!

Disraeli

Omnium said:

SquareRoot said:

Mandleson saved Brown's blushes in 2010 , without Mandleson, Labour would have been stuffed.

Mandelson also performed the magical trick of getting very rich, very quickly, and yet never really apparently earning very much. Ho hum... ooh is that a tumbleweed!?...

Don't forget the time he spent as EU Commissioner. At that level the EU has one heck of a trough to get your snout into!

JosiasJessop

bigjohnowls said:

JosiasJessop said:

It's funny how this Met Office story has come out the same day as the Saville story ...

What Saville story!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207502/Jimmy-Savile-report-tears-BBC-apart-Victims-fury-findings-secretly-handed-Corporation-bosses.html