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There are those, inside and outside of the Labour party, who think by electing Jeremy Corbyn as leader, Labour are committing the greatest strategic blunder since Emperor Palpatine allowed the Rebel Alliance to know the location of the second Death Star. By electing Corbyn Labour can say goodbye to taking power in 2020, but is that assumption correct?

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CarlottaVance

FPT

Where to start?

Point of pedantry - Guernsey and Jersey are not 'part of the UK' - never have been.

Both were DEMILITARISED and ORDERED not to resist. Not a lot of point in fighting on an island that can be shelled from Occupied France. (Oh, and they hadn't signed a non-aggression pact with the Nazis either)

In an island of 24 sq miles where exactly do you retreat to after a counter attack? A bit different if you've got 8,600,000 square miles to play with.

'Liberation Day' is celebrated on the 9th of May - two days after VE day - when the British finally got round to Liberating the Channel Islands - after Operation Overlord the Channel Islands and their German garrisons were cut off from Europe and supplies and left to starve.

tyson said:

The UK's only real experience of Nazi occupation was Jersey and Guernsey and the less said the better. The Guerns celebrate liberation day (or a better fit collaboration day)- I'm sure there are plenty of blonde headed Guerns still roaming the Island- a legacy of the war. Jersey was quite helpful in deporting its small population of Jews too. That is how resistant our kindred folk were to the Nazis.

JosiasJessop said:

tyson said:

Perhaps the 30 million or so of Soviets who were killed in WW2 might have had some small effect on the outcome of the war.

Have you read Stalingrad? The bravery of the Russians in the second world war was astonishing. No country in the history of the world has paid such a price for winning a war. And the Russians did win the war- not the British pilots, or the Americans (who played a bit part), but the tens of millions of Russians that perished.
This was the reason that we ceded the East European countries to them.

Moses_ said:

notme said:

Moses_ said:

Let's be honest.
The Germans are good at football and making cars. They are totally crap at world wars.

I dont know, it took most of the world to beat them last time. Was there any single nation alone other than the US, comforted by a blanket of oceans either side, that could have withstood their might?

We were touch and go, and Germany was fighting a nasty war on its other front.

To a point the Uk and the few brave pilots of fighter command withstood the aerial onslaught and the British Merchant Navy U boat attacks for quite a while. I agree though without the industrial might of the U.S. It may have been considerably different.

There's an old saying which, whilst a massive broad brush, seems as reasonable summation as you can have of the respective countries roles:

"The Americans provided the money, the Russians provided the blood, and the British provided the time."

CarlottaVance

After a particularly fraught EU referendum, the Tories could elect someone who is the antithesis of David Cameron’s One Nation Conservatism. All those voters in the marginals that backed the Tories, and the gains the Tories made from the Lib Dems might be at risk. Even if the referendum doesn’t damage the Tory party, I’m not sure there is anyone in the Tory party who can appeal to these type of voters in the way David Cameron can. As the 2001 Tory leadership election showed, the Tories can make horrifically bad leadership decisions too.

One should never underestimate the Tories capacity to screw it up........