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The head of steam that’s building up over a Joe Biden WH2016 bid has received an enormous boost with a range of key state polling from Quinnipac University suggesting that in several battles the Vice-President could do better than Hillary against a range of likely GOP nominees.

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  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Second (I think)
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Well he has aged better than Hillary better dress sense than Hillary better hair than Hillary better make up than Hillary better teeth than Hillary.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Interesting grid. Just going to start writing the pre-race piece now.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    You have said that deliberately haven't you, posted that picture deliberately haven't you. All with quite gratuitous intent, to intimidate sensitive souls like me. It will take me days now to get the image out of my mind. Ugh.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,955
    edited August 2015

    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    You have said that deliberately haven't you, posted that picture deliberately haven't you. All with quite gratuitous intent, to intimidate sensitive souls like me. It will take me days now to get the image out of my mind. Ugh.
    It has to be said that that video has a voyeur-cam feel to it.

    Personally I have no time at all for this lady.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The big question for the Republicans is: will Palin run?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Historically Vice Presidents have got the nomination if they have sought it and while they have won the general election less frequently some have gone on to win too as Bush Senior showed. If Hillary declines further and Trump continues to lead the GOP side Biden must fancy his chances
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    Hmm. The Ladbrokes website doesn't appear to be loading. On the plus side, this means it did have a green padlock for once.
  • MikeK said:

    The big question for the Republicans is: will Palin run?

    She should, so we can all have a laugh!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    That Quinnipiac poll also has Sanders beating Trump in Ohio and Pennsylvania, albeit Trump leads him in Florida. If the GOP pick Trump the Democrats may be tempted to pick Sanders
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    MattW said:

    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    You have said that deliberately haven't you, posted that picture deliberately haven't you. All with quite gratuitous intent, to intimidate sensitive souls like me. It will take me days now to get the image out of my mind. Ugh.
    It has to be said that that video has a voyeur-cam feel to it.

    Personally I have no time at all for this lady.
    I know you are trying to help but you have made it worse. I dare not look at the video if there is any hope for me to retain my sanity.
    But on the positive side, yes she is useless.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    Plane crashes into cars at an air show.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34027260
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    OGH, interesting that the Huff Post is now running articles doubting Hillary's inevitability. This one has more than a little hyperbole, but my daughter (a rare animal - a Republican at GWU) reports that the student body is monolithically and rabidly pro-Bernie. I wonder if that will translate into primary votes, but there is no denying the enthusiasm deficit noted in the article that Hillary has versus Bernie:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-should-be-considered-the-democratic-frontrunner_b_8019264.html
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    Plane crashes into cars at an air show.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34027260

    "several dead" is the latest...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    Mr. Crosby, not surprising. There seem to have been a few such crashes in recent months.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    MikeK said:

    The big question for the Republicans is: will Palin run?

    Palin is not going to run. Trump already has her potential constituency wrapped up.

    Trump's continuing presence is making the real GOP race very difficult to read. We have 16 chasing 75-80% of the vote, so very small changes can lead to big shake ups in the order of the rest.

    I still think that the front runners are Bush, Walker and Rubio, with Kasich the wild card. Walker is not impressing as Presidential material, despite his electoral prowess at the gubernatorial level. Bush is not exciting anyone, and is up there solely because of Establishment support and his money raising. The GOP would be wise to pick either of the last two (with my preference, which has nothing to do with what I think will happen, being a Kasich/Rubio ticket), Hillary, IMO, could not win against that ticket

    However, no-one is sustaining a real front runner position, and Rubio has had funding problems in addition to polling problems. Kasich, in reality, will have a tough time winning GOP primaries outside New England unless an early win really fires his campaign and he can concentrate his message on his fiscal conservatism rather than his social pragmatism.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Mr. Crosby, not surprising. There seem to have been a few such crashes in recent months.

    This crash hit several cars waiting at traffic lights; I know this road well.

    Looks devastating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvHplYmh2f8

  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    MattW said:

    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    You have said that deliberately haven't you, posted that picture deliberately haven't you. All with quite gratuitous intent, to intimidate sensitive souls like me. It will take me days now to get the image out of my mind. Ugh.
    It has to be said that that video has a voyeur-cam feel to it.

    Personally I have no time at all for this lady.
    Then again perhaps as soothing therapy you could take in a video from The Mail for which the description goes -- ''GRAPHIC WARNING: When the girl begins to squeeze it, the boil doesn't explode like you might expect-instead the nauseating footage shows the pus coiling out like a worm writhing from the earth.''
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    MTimT said:

    MikeK said:

    The big question for the Republicans is: will Palin run?

    Palin is not going to run. Trump already has her potential constituency wrapped up.

    Trump's continuing presence is making the real GOP race very difficult to read. We have 16 chasing 75-80% of the vote, so very small changes can lead to big shake ups in the order of the rest.

    I still think that the front runners are Bush, Walker and Rubio, with Kasich the wild card. Walker is not impressing as Presidential material, despite his electoral prowess at the gubernatorial level. Bush is not exciting anyone, and is up there solely because of Establishment support and his money raising. The GOP would be wise to pick either of the last two (with my preference, which has nothing to do with what I think will happen, being a Kasich/Rubio ticket), Hillary, IMO, could not win against that ticket

    However, no-one is sustaining a real front runner position, and Rubio has had funding problems in addition to polling problems. Kasich, in reality, will have a tough time winning GOP primaries outside New England unless an early win really fires his campaign and he can concentrate his message on his fiscal conservatism rather than his social pragmatism.
    There is some talk now of a Trump-Cruz ticket after Trump retweeted that suggestion on Twitter and Cruz followed Trump with a tougher anti immigration stance
  • Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MikeK said:

    The big question for the Republicans is: will Palin run?

    No, it isn't.

    And she won't.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,571
    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    We'll be able to assess that when we see the deputy leadership results. I like her and she's good at enthusing a crowd, an important quality for deputy. The current members' mood for a change of style seems to be benefiting Stella more, but we'll see. Watson remains the favourite by sheer weight of organisation and contacts.

    Incidentally, of the statements sent to all members by the four leadership contenders, I thought that Andy Burnham's pitch was the best-pitched (and for alphabetical reasons it comes first) - it appeals to the "we must change" theme as convincingly as Kendall, without the contentious elements. I'd already decided how I was voting, but I'd think he did himself no harm with the undecided voters. If members want to shift a bit left without going as far as Corbyn, I can see him coming second on the first ballot.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Speedy said:

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
    Even Bernie Sanders beats Trump, the Democrats may be tempted to pitch Bernie against The Donald
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2015
    MTimT said:

    MikeK said:

    The big question for the Republicans is: will Palin run?

    Palin is not going to run. Trump already has her potential constituency wrapped up.

    Trump's continuing presence is making the real GOP race very difficult to read. We have 16 chasing 75-80% of the vote, so very small changes can lead to big shake ups in the order of the rest.

    I still think that the front runners are Bush, Walker and Rubio, with Kasich the wild card. Walker is not impressing as Presidential material, despite his electoral prowess at the gubernatorial level. Bush is not exciting anyone, and is up there solely because of Establishment support and his money raising. The GOP would be wise to pick either of the last two (with my preference, which has nothing to do with what I think will happen, being a Kasich/Rubio ticket), Hillary, IMO, could not win against that ticket

    However, no-one is sustaining a real front runner position, and Rubio has had funding problems in addition to polling problems. Kasich, in reality, will have a tough time winning GOP primaries outside New England unless an early win really fires his campaign and he can concentrate his message on his fiscal conservatism rather than his social pragmatism.
    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,955
    edited August 2015

    MattW said:

    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    You have said that deliberately haven't you, posted that picture deliberately haven't you. All with quite gratuitous intent, to intimidate sensitive souls like me. It will take me days now to get the image out of my mind. Ugh.
    It has to be said that that video has a voyeur-cam feel to it.

    Personally I have no time at all for this lady.
    Then again perhaps as soothing therapy you could take in a video from The Mail for which the description goes -- ''GRAPHIC WARNING: When the girl begins to squeeze it, the boil doesn't explode like you might expect-instead the nauseating footage shows the pus coiling out like a worm writhing from the earth.''
    I think not, m'dear.

    The camera position on the above vid is far too low, imo.

    It's Saturday, the sun is out, and I'm trynig to avoid getting round to installing a gatepost.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    Going to leave the pre-race bit for a while. Will try and get it done this evening, at some point.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
    Even Bernie Sanders beats Trump, the Democrats may be tempted to pitch Bernie against The Donald
    We are talking about the democratic party establishment, not voters.
    Party establishments and voters live in different worlds.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
    Even Bernie Sanders beats Trump, the Democrats may be tempted to pitch Bernie against The Donald
    We are talking about the democratic party establishment, not voters.
    Party establishments and voters live in different worlds.
    Yes but it is voters who win primaries
  • Speedy said:

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
    If Hillary can't beat Trump I don't know who that reflects more badly on: Hilary herself, or American voters.

    On Kasich, I didn't know that. Who do you think is the best candidate?
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    Mr. Crosby, not surprising. There seem to have been a few such crashes in recent months.

    This crash hit several cars waiting at traffic lights; I know this road well.

    Looks devastating.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvHplYmh2f8

    Jesus, that is bad.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
    Even Bernie Sanders beats Trump, the Democrats may be tempted to pitch Bernie against The Donald
    We are talking about the democratic party establishment, not voters.
    Party establishments and voters live in different worlds.
    Yes but it is voters who win primaries
    Hence why they are mystified as to why Sanders, Trump and Corbyn are doing so well.
    Party establishments may understand the wider electorate but they neglect their own supporters.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Speedy said:

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
    If Hillary can't beat Trump I don't know who that reflects more badly on: Hilary herself, or American voters.

    On Kasich, I didn't know that. Who do you think is the best candidate?
    Speedy is responding to Kasich on TV, not Kasich on the stump, where he comes over very personably and unscripted.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008

    Speedy said:

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
    If Hillary can't beat Trump I don't know who that reflects more badly on: Hilary herself, or American voters.

    On Kasich, I didn't know that. Who do you think is the best candidate?
    Even now Hillary still comfortably beats Trump, in fact even Sanders narrowly leads Trump
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Speedy said:



    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    I would not rule out Trump leading the polls until Christmas. It is once we get to the primaries that his numbers will drop.

    I may be in denial, but I simply do not accept that the current polling is measuring actual voting intentions of likely GOP primary voters. It is measuring, IMO, a mixture of name recognition, frustration with politicians as normal, and white anger. I do not think these will be the primary considerations of actual primary voters come January and February.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
    Even Bernie Sanders beats Trump, the Democrats may be tempted to pitch Bernie against The Donald
    We are talking about the democratic party establishment, not voters.
    Party establishments and voters live in different worlds.
    Yes but it is voters who win primaries
    Hence why they are mystified as to why Sanders, Trump and Corbyn are doing so well.
    Party establishments may understand the wider electorate but they neglect their own supporters.
    Plus IDS, Barry Goldwater, George McGovern further examples of activists rebelling against the establishment
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2015

    Speedy said:

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
    If Hillary can't beat Trump I don't know who that reflects more badly on: Hilary herself, or American voters.

    On Kasich, I didn't know that. Who do you think is the best candidate?
    Out of the republicans?
    No one, they are all too trashy, boring and out of touch compared with the democrats.

    The typical trajectory of republican candidates is they start hard on the right annoying non-right wing voters and then move left annoying right wing voters, in the end they manage to annoy everyone, the case study for that is Rand Paul.

    For a republican to win in 2016 he needs an economic recession, a scandal to hit the democrats, their team to be immune from criticism, to keep both sides of Wall Street and the people happy and to have basic communication skills.
    I say Trump has the best chances at around 1 in 8.
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:



    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    I would not rule out Trump leading the polls until Christmas. It is once we get to the primaries that his numbers will drop.

    I may be in denial, but I simply do not accept that the current polling is measuring actual voting intentions of likely GOP primary voters. It is measuring, IMO, a mixture of name recognition, frustration with politicians as normal, and white anger. I do not think these will be the primary considerations of actual primary voters come January and February.
    It's becoming almost a soundbite or rhetoric to dismiss political rivals as 'protest' or 'frustration with politics'. Maybe people genuinely believe that the proposed Trump Wall along the Mexican border to deal with illegal immigration is a good idea... (for example)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
    If Hillary can't beat Trump I don't know who that reflects more badly on: Hilary herself, or American voters.

    On Kasich, I didn't know that. Who do you think is the best candidate?
    Speedy is responding to Kasich on TV, not Kasich on the stump, where he comes over very personably and unscripted.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGhBr-SJjSU
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2015
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
    If Hillary can't beat Trump I don't know who that reflects more badly on: Hilary herself, or American voters.

    On Kasich, I didn't know that. Who do you think is the best candidate?
    Even now Hillary still comfortably beats Trump, in fact even Sanders narrowly leads Trump
    I look at state polls and momentum, Hillary's lead nationally against Trump is narrowing sharply and is no greater than Obama in 2008 now, also she is starting to lose in swing-states against Trump like in N.Carolina and Florida, also getting too close to call in Pennsylvania.

    If she's 6 points ahead but losing N.Carolina, Florida and having major trouble in Pennsylvania it might be because she concentrates support in N.York and California at the expense of swing-states.
  • @MTimT I thought he came across reasonably well in the debates.

    @Speedy If Trump is the GOP's best candidate, then who on earth is their worst (maybe Carson, now thinking about it...)? From what I've heard about Rand Paul, he's a libertarian.

    @HYUFD Sanders apparently describes himself as a socialist, which I thought wouldn't have gone down well with American voters....
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Pauly said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:



    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    I would not rule out Trump leading the polls until Christmas. It is once we get to the primaries that his numbers will drop.

    I may be in denial, but I simply do not accept that the current polling is measuring actual voting intentions of likely GOP primary voters. It is measuring, IMO, a mixture of name recognition, frustration with politicians as normal, and white anger. I do not think these will be the primary considerations of actual primary voters come January and February.
    It's becoming almost a soundbite or rhetoric to dismiss political rivals as 'protest' or 'frustration with politics'. Maybe people genuinely believe that the proposed Trump Wall along the Mexican border to deal with illegal immigration is a good idea... (for example)
    True enough re the wall. And true that there is a large number, albeit a small minority, who think sending back all illegal immigrants is a good thing. Neither idea is workable.

    See: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1016493848381386&set=gm.879325295497638&type=1
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:



    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    I would not rule out Trump leading the polls until Christmas. It is once we get to the primaries that his numbers will drop.

    I may be in denial, but I simply do not accept that the current polling is measuring actual voting intentions of likely GOP primary voters. It is measuring, IMO, a mixture of name recognition, frustration with politicians as normal, and white anger. I do not think these will be the primary considerations of actual primary voters come January and February.
    If Trump wins Iowa and NH it is all over, he is nominee, at the moment only Ben Carson and Jeb Bush respectively can stop him in each state
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    Kasich is the only GOP candidate who looks and sounds human.

    He starts every sentence with "My father was a mailman", so nope, he sounds like an answering machine.

    About Hillary the more polls show her in trouble with Trump the greater the chances that Biden will run.
    Trump is so hated by democratic party circles that he's a test, if Hillary seems to fail that test of beating Trump in the polls then the democrats will look for someone else.
    If Hillary can't beat Trump I don't know who that reflects more badly on: Hilary herself, or American voters.

    On Kasich, I didn't know that. Who do you think is the best candidate?
    Even now Hillary still comfortably beats Trump, in fact even Sanders narrowly leads Trump
    I look at state polls and momentum, Hillary's lead nationally against Trump is narrowing sharply and is no greater than Obama in 2008 now, also she is starting to lose in swing-states against Trump like in N.Carolina and Florida, also getting too close to call in Pennsylvania.

    If she's 6 points ahead but losing N.Carolina, Florida and having major trouble in Pennsylvania it might be because she concentrates support in N.York and California at the expense of swing-states.
    No, national polls have also showed the race tightening and she still led Trump in Ohio and Pennsylvania with Quinnipiac while losing to Bush and Rubio in Pennsylvania and Rubio in Ohio. Indeed, Bernie Sanders led Trump in Ohio and Pennsylvania while also losing to Rubio and Bush. Florida and N Carolina lean GOP, for example they both voted for Bush Snr in 1992 when Clinton won nationally.

    CNN had Trump doing best against Hillary of the GOP contendors and only losing by 5 points while the others lost by greater margins but that looks like a rogue poll
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2015

    @MTimT I thought he came across reasonably well in the debates.

    @Speedy If Trump is the GOP's best candidate, then who on earth is their worst (maybe Carson, now thinking about it...)? From what I've heard about Rand Paul, he's a libertarian.

    @HYUFD Sanders apparently describes himself as a socialist, which I thought wouldn't have gone down well with American voters....

    1. Kasich bombed in the debates, you have to think as an american and a republican voter to understand how much he bombed. Supporting gay marriage in front of a crowd of bible holders is really the wrong idea.

    2. Chris Christie, absolutely the worst possible candidate, hated by all, up to his neck with corruption scandals and the financial collapse of his own state, he might even go to jail before the election.

    3. Sanders runs as a democrat you forget, and after 25 years of centrist-right wing democrats there is desire for change, don't forget if Obama was white he would have been primaried in 2011, all people who voted Obama in 2008 are disappointed with him but still stuck with him because he's black and he's not a republican.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    edited August 2015

    @MTimT I thought he came across reasonably well in the debates.

    @Speedy If Trump is the GOP's best candidate, then who on earth is their worst (maybe Carson, now thinking about it...)? From what I've heard about Rand Paul, he's a libertarian.

    @HYUFD Sanders apparently describes himself as a socialist, which I thought wouldn't have gone down well with American voters....

    He tends to describe himself more now as a 'progressive' but I agree, while unlikely, a Trump nomination could open a door to the first ever socialist president of the USA. The polls are consistent, while Sanders tends to lose to Bush, Rubio, Walker etc he beats Trump most of the time. Indeed, a Trump v Sanders battle may lead Michael Bloomberg to run as an independent to prevent the nightmare of a Trump or Sanders presidency!
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Speedy said:


    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    My conclusion from this is that Jeb Bush and Scott Walker cannot win. Sure, Trump's ahead on name recognition but every GOP member with a room temperature IQ knows about Bush and Walker, so they have no room to improve. Rather, the eventual candidate is hidden among the back-markers. I've had a small wager on Kasich, but really it is too soon to be sure who will run on past the early front-runners as they drop back.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,974
    edited August 2015
    7 confirmed dead in Shoreham crash.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:



    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    I would not rule out Trump leading the polls until Christmas. It is once we get to the primaries that his numbers will drop.

    I may be in denial, but I simply do not accept that the current polling is measuring actual voting intentions of likely GOP primary voters. It is measuring, IMO, a mixture of name recognition, frustration with politicians as normal, and white anger. I do not think these will be the primary considerations of actual primary voters come January and February.
    If Trump wins Iowa and NH it is all over, he is nominee, at the moment only Ben Carson and Jeb Bush respectively can stop him in each state
    Nothing is over until March, as the early contest delegates are few and apportioned proportionately. Winner takes all does not start until 15 March. So Super Tuesday, on March 1, is when things will start to clarify. But March 15 is the big day, with Ohio, Florida, Illinois and Missouri all going FPTP.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    7 confirmed dead in Shoreham crash.

    How old was the fighter jet that crashed?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008

    Speedy said:


    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    My conclusion from this is that Jeb Bush and Scott Walker cannot win. Sure, Trump's ahead on name recognition but every GOP member with a room temperature IQ knows about Bush and Walker, so they have no room to improve. Rather, the eventual candidate is hidden among the back-markers. I've had a small wager on Kasich, but really it is too soon to be sure who will run on past the early front-runners as they drop back.
    Republicans, unlike Democrats, almost never pick a non-frontrunner as nominee
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Speedy said:


    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    My conclusion from this is that Jeb Bush and Scott Walker cannot win. Sure, Trump's ahead on name recognition but every GOP member with a room temperature IQ knows about Bush and Walker, so they have no room to improve. Rather, the eventual candidate is hidden among the back-markers. I've had a small wager on Kasich, but really it is too soon to be sure who will run on past the early front-runners as they drop back.
    DJ, I have long argued that Bush is unlikely to win because he should have already have pulled clear of the pack by this stage were he to win. However, with this large a field, it is very murky. I tend to agree that it may well be one of the current back-markers, and as I've been saying for a few months now, Kasich is the obvious one.

    I know many are now doubting the conventional wisdom that Trump cannot win, citing Corbyn. I think there are real dangers in making parallels between US and UK politics - they are completely different. Talking to a wide array of people across the GOP political spectrum, I simply just do not buy that Trump can get to 50+% of the delegates.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    MTimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:



    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    I would not rule out Trump leading the polls until Christmas. It is once we get to the primaries that his numbers will drop.

    I may be in denial, but I simply do not accept that the current polling is measuring actual voting intentions of likely GOP primary voters. It is measuring, IMO, a mixture of name recognition, frustration with politicians as normal, and white anger. I do not think these will be the primary considerations of actual primary voters come January and February.
    If Trump wins Iowa and NH it is all over, he is nominee, at the moment only Ben Carson and Jeb Bush respectively can stop him in each state
    Nothing is over until March, as the early contest delegates are few and apportioned proportionately. Winner takes all does not start until 15 March. So Super Tuesday, on March 1, is when things will start to clarify. But March 15 is the big day, with Ohio, Florida, Illinois and Missouri all going FPTP.
    Momentum is all, if Trump becomes the first Republican candidate to win Iowa and NH in a competitive primary since Bush Snr in 1992 his momentum will be unstoppable and he has the money and resources to finish off any remaining doubt
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MTimT said:

    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:



    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    I would not rule out Trump leading the polls until Christmas. It is once we get to the primaries that his numbers will drop.

    I may be in denial, but I simply do not accept that the current polling is measuring actual voting intentions of likely GOP primary voters. It is measuring, IMO, a mixture of name recognition, frustration with politicians as normal, and white anger. I do not think these will be the primary considerations of actual primary voters come January and February.
    If Trump wins Iowa and NH it is all over, he is nominee, at the moment only Ben Carson and Jeb Bush respectively can stop him in each state
    Nothing is over until March, as the early contest delegates are few and apportioned proportionately. Winner takes all does not start until 15 March. So Super Tuesday, on March 1, is when things will start to clarify. But March 15 is the big day, with Ohio, Florida, Illinois and Missouri all going FPTP.
    .
    There is a reason why no republican candidate has ever got the nomination if he failed to win Iowa or N.Hampshire, momentum.

    Until they reach Florida, Bush would have lost 20 states, a record worse than Giuliani in 2008 when he waited for Florida to save him too.
    If Trump wins the first 2 then on March 15 he would win all of them, even Ohio as Kasich will probably withdraw after N. Hampshire or S.Carolina
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,731
    Sanders as POTUS, Corbyn as PMoUK.

    Nightmare on Wall Street?????
    Or n the City?????
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Speedy said:

    7 confirmed dead in Shoreham crash.

    How old was the fighter jet that crashed?
    It was a Hawker Hunter - introduced 1954 - which went out of RAF service decades ago.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    7 confirmed dead in Shoreham crash.

    How old was the fighter jet that crashed?
    It was a Hawker Hunter - introduced 1954 - which went out of RAF service decades ago.
    You can't do extreme maneuvers in a jet that is 60 years old.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008

    Sanders as POTUS, Corbyn as PMoUK.

    Nightmare on Wall Street?????
    Or n the City?????

    As I said I think Michael Bloomberg (ideologically and personally very close to Cameron) would run as an independent if that looked at all possible and would probably win
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Speedy said:


    There is a reason why no republican candidate has ever got the nomination if he failed to win Iowa or N.Hampshire, momentum.

    Until they reach Florida, Bush would have lost 20 states, a record worse than Giuliani in 2008 when he waited for Florida to save him too.
    If Trump wins the first 2 then on March 15 he would win all of them, even Ohio as Kasich will probably withdraw after N. Hampshire or S.Carolina

    You're assuming Trump wins all those early states. I doubt that will happen. Someone will have momentum at that stage, but I doubt it will be Trump. Someone will win more states than the others, but I doubt anyone will sweep all the early states. Even if they do, they do not sweep the delegates.

    History is useful in reading elections, but it does not bind the future. HYUFD claims the GOP traditionally goes with the frontrunner. In fact, it traditionally goes with last iteration's runner up. This time that should be Huckabee or Ron Paul. Neither of those are going to happen.

    Sure, there have been previous GOP primaries with a big field, including 2012, but seldom with so many who really could go all the way. This one has a different feel than 2012 and I suspect will hold a number of surprises for us all.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Speedy said:

    7 confirmed dead in Shoreham crash.

    How old was the fighter jet that crashed?
    Well, not "World War Two", as a muppet Sky reporter has just claimed...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,811
    RodCrosby said:

    Speedy said:

    7 confirmed dead in Shoreham crash.

    How old was the fighter jet that crashed?
    Well, not "World War Two", as a muppet Sky reporter has just claimed...
    The last one appears to have been made in 1960, so at least 55 years old:

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=u2ZdBgAAQBAJ&pg=PT111&lpg=PT111&dq=hawker+hunter+production+ceased&source=bl&ots=Gq0gLllQ_a&sig=2jmTezMQVRFQ55dzdJjcFUmYR-A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCGoVChMIzLOX7Iq9xwIVBXDbCh1WqAAW#v=onepage&q=hawker hunter production ceased&f=false
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    You have said that deliberately haven't you, posted that picture deliberately haven't you. All with quite gratuitous intent, to intimidate sensitive souls like me. It will take me days now to get the image out of my mind. Ugh.
    It has to be said that that video has a voyeur-cam feel to it.

    Personally I have no time at all for this lady.
    Then again perhaps as soothing therapy you could take in a video from The Mail for which the description goes -- ''GRAPHIC WARNING: When the girl begins to squeeze it, the boil doesn't explode like you might expect-instead the nauseating footage shows the pus coiling out like a worm writhing from the earth.''
    I think not, m'dear.

    The camera position on the above vid is far too low, imo.

    It's Saturday, the sun is out, and I'm trying to avoid getting round to installing a gatepost.
    Well you would get more coherent policies out of a gatepost.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2015
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:


    There is a reason why no republican candidate has ever got the nomination if he failed to win Iowa or N.Hampshire, momentum.

    Until they reach Florida, Bush would have lost 20 states, a record worse than Giuliani in 2008 when he waited for Florida to save him too.
    If Trump wins the first 2 then on March 15 he would win all of them, even Ohio as Kasich will probably withdraw after N. Hampshire or S.Carolina

    You're assuming Trump wins all those early states. I doubt that will happen. Someone will have momentum at that stage, but I doubt it will be Trump. Someone will win more states than the others, but I doubt anyone will sweep all the early states. Even if they do, they do not sweep the delegates.

    History is useful in reading elections, but it does not bind the future. HYUFD claims the GOP traditionally goes with the frontrunner. In fact, it traditionally goes with last iteration's runner up. This time that should be Huckabee or Ron Paul. Neither of those are going to happen.

    Sure, there have been previous GOP primaries with a big field, including 2012, but seldom with so many who really could go all the way. This one has a different feel than 2012 and I suspect will hold a number of surprises for us all.
    He's leading in all those states, Florida included.
    And it's not geographically constrained, in 2012 Romney dominated the N.E. in the state polls all the way but was very weak in the south and the plains, he was also lucky that Florida was no.4 on the list not no.20.

    Trump's lead is wide and deep in all demographics, all issues and all regions.
    Think about it, if a candidate was leading 4-1 on the economy and immigration, 3-1 on foreign policy, 2-1 on social issues and leading the polls by 2-1 margin everywhere, you would have though that he's going to win.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,512
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    7 confirmed dead in Shoreham crash.

    How old was the fighter jet that crashed?
    It was a Hawker Hunter - introduced 1954 - which went out of RAF service decades ago.
    You can't do extreme maneuvers in a jet that is 60 years old.
    'Extreme manoeuvres' is relative. A loop need not pull too many g's if it is a long loop.

    AIUI, it depends on many things, including the airframe's fatigue life. If the aircraft is properly maintained, and fatigue life has not been reached (and you do not mind the aerobatics eating up the remaining fatigue life), why not?

    A much bigger problem might be giving pilots enough airtime to keep really familiar with the aircraft; although there are several Hunters still flying, so it would not be as bad as it could be for some types.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:


    There is a reason why no republican candidate has ever got the nomination if he failed to win Iowa or N.Hampshire, momentum.

    Until they reach Florida, Bush would have lost 20 states, a record worse than Giuliani in 2008 when he waited for Florida to save him too.
    If Trump wins the first 2 then on March 15 he would win all of them, even Ohio as Kasich will probably withdraw after N. Hampshire or S.Carolina

    You're assuming Trump wins all those early states. I doubt that will happen. Someone will have momentum at that stage, but I doubt it will be Trump. Someone will win more states than the others, but I doubt anyone will sweep all the early states. Even if they do, they do not sweep the delegates.

    History is useful in reading elections, but it does not bind the future. HYUFD claims the GOP traditionally goes with the frontrunner. In fact, it traditionally goes with last iteration's runner up. This time that should be Huckabee or Ron Paul. Neither of those are going to happen.

    Sure, there have been previous GOP primaries with a big field, including 2012, but seldom with so many who really could go all the way. This one has a different feel than 2012 and I suspect will hold a number of surprises for us all.
    Or Santorum. However, Romney, Bush W, Dole, Bush Snr, Reagan and Ford were all the frontrunners going into the primaries and won the nomination. In 2008 Giuliani's supporters simply switched to second placed McCain who was ideologically similar anyway
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,512

    Speedy said:

    7 confirmed dead in Shoreham crash.

    How old was the fighter jet that crashed?
    It was a Hawker Hunter - introduced 1954 - which went out of RAF service decades ago.
    Still used by the Lebanese air force (I think) until a handful of years ago. By all accounts its a relatively cheap and easy to maintain type.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Speedy said:

    twitter.com/ian_wfc/status/635105236420546560/photo/1
    A very unpleasant close-up.

    Agree - do people have no sense of decency?
    BTW The pilot survived I believe. The plane was performing a loop.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2015
    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:


    There is a reason why no republican candidate has ever got the nomination if he failed to win Iowa or N.Hampshire, momentum.

    Until they reach Florida, Bush would have lost 20 states, a record worse than Giuliani in 2008 when he waited for Florida to save him too.
    If Trump wins the first 2 then on March 15 he would win all of them, even Ohio as Kasich will probably withdraw after N. Hampshire or S.Carolina

    You're assuming Trump wins all those early states. I doubt that will happen. Someone will have momentum at that stage, but I doubt it will be Trump. Someone will win more states than the others, but I doubt anyone will sweep all the early states. Even if they do, they do not sweep the delegates.

    History is useful in reading elections, but it does not bind the future. HYUFD claims the GOP traditionally goes with the frontrunner. In fact, it traditionally goes with last iteration's runner up. This time that should be Huckabee or Ron Paul. Neither of those are going to happen.

    Sure, there have been previous GOP primaries with a big field, including 2012, but seldom with so many who really could go all the way. This one has a different feel than 2012 and I suspect will hold a number of surprises for us all.
    Or Santorum. However, Romney, Bush W, Dole, Bush Snr, Reagan and Ford were all the frontrunners going into the primaries and won the nomination. In 2008 Giuliani's supporters simply switched to second placed McCain who was ideologically similar anyway
    The thing with Giuliani is that he did the unusual step of campaigning only in Florida and not in the earlier states, by the time Florida voted Giuliani had been crushed in all the previous contests with McCain winning 2 out of 3 of them, so McCain was a winner and Giuliani was a loser and people voted accordingly.

    Talking about Giuliani reminded me of his encounter with Trump:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008

    Speedy said:

    twitter.com/ian_wfc/status/635105236420546560/photo/1
    A very unpleasant close-up.

    Agree - do people have no sense of decency?
    BTW The pilot survived I believe. The plane was performing a loop.
    It may be unpleasant but it is accurate and could help the investigation into the crash
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:


    There is a reason why no republican candidate has ever got the nomination if he failed to win Iowa or N.Hampshire, momentum.

    Until they reach Florida, Bush would have lost 20 states, a record worse than Giuliani in 2008 when he waited for Florida to save him too.
    If Trump wins the first 2 then on March 15 he would win all of them, even Ohio as Kasich will probably withdraw after N. Hampshire or S.Carolina

    You're assuming Trump wins all those early states. I doubt that will happen. Someone will have momentum at that stage, but I doubt it will be Trump. Someone will win more states than the others, but I doubt anyone will sweep all the early states. Even if they do, they do not sweep the delegates.

    History is useful in reading elections, but it does not bind the future. HYUFD claims the GOP traditionally goes with the frontrunner. In fact, it traditionally goes with last iteration's runner up. This time that should be Huckabee or Ron Paul. Neither of those are going to happen.

    Sure, there have been previous GOP primaries with a big field, including 2012, but seldom with so many who really could go all the way. This one has a different feel than 2012 and I suspect will hold a number of surprises for us all.
    Or Santorum. However, Romney, Bush W, Dole, Bush Snr, Reagan and Ford were all the frontrunners going into the primaries and won the nomination. In 2008 Giuliani's supporters simply switched to second placed McCain who was ideologically similar anyway
    The thing with Giuliani is that he did the unusual step of campaigning only in Florida and not in the earlier states, by the time Florida voted Giuliani had been crushed in all the previous contests with McCain winning 2 out of 3 of them, so McCain was a winner and Giuliani was a loser and people voted accordingly.

    Talking about Giuliani reminded me of his encounter with Trump:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8
    Indeed, hence the importance of winning the early states
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    An interesting observation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11818430/Jeremy-Corbyns-young-fans-are-fools-they-dont-know-how-lucky-they-are.html
    ...There may be dissatisfaction out there (when is there not?) and some real anger (the young are much given to anger) but the basis for this Corbynite uprising is not unhappiness with present conditions. It is the opposite: the complacency that a few decades of generally satisfactory, more-or-less competent government tends to induce.

    The reason that Corbymania looks and sounds so adolescent is because it is: it is the kind of rebellion that can be indulged in by adolescents (of all ages) when their conditions are relatively secure and the grown-ups are looking a bit self-satisfied. There is a hard core of deadly serious old Leftists who have been waiting for their moment since 1974, and a well-organised tranche of trade unionists who have very specific special interests, such as the re-nationalisation of the railways, which would give them back the power to shut down the entire country’s rail transport with a single strike ballot.

    But the vast majority of those who may be about to elect Britain’s own Hugo Chavez to run the main opposition party are just playing around. They are doing this because they can. Because on the scale of life’s domestic emergencies, there is not much going on, so why not mess about with some ideological experiment and have a joyous fling with the fellowship of rebellion?
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903

    Speedy said:

    7 confirmed dead in Shoreham crash.

    How old was the fighter jet that crashed?
    It was a Hawker Hunter - introduced 1954 - which went out of RAF service decades ago.
    Still used by the Lebanese air force (I think) until a handful of years ago. By all accounts its a relatively cheap and easy to maintain type.
    It was the classic 'golden age' immediate post war jet fighter which still relied on Eyeball Mk 1 as opposed to modern avionics, and broke the world speed record in its day. Very successful, exported everywhere. Any small boy worth his salt would have the Eagle cutaway drawing on his bedroom wall. It was widely used for aerobatic displays. Anyone with a knowledge of Raymond Baxter and a B&W TV will remember it.
  • Speedy said:


    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    My conclusion from this is that Jeb Bush and Scott Walker cannot win. Sure, Trump's ahead on name recognition but every GOP member with a room temperature IQ knows about Bush and Walker, so they have no room to improve. Rather, the eventual candidate is hidden among the back-markers. I've had a small wager on Kasich, but really it is too soon to be sure who will run on past the early front-runners as they drop back.
    I wouldn't be surprised if each candidate cycled through their moment in the sun until the music stops playing in March. Then come that time it's... George Pataki!

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008

    Speedy said:


    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    My conclusion from this is that Jeb Bush and Scott Walker cannot win. Sure, Trump's ahead on name recognition but every GOP member with a room temperature IQ knows about Bush and Walker, so they have no room to improve. Rather, the eventual candidate is hidden among the back-markers. I've had a small wager on Kasich, but really it is too soon to be sure who will run on past the early front-runners as they drop back.
    I wouldn't be surprised if each candidate cycled through their moment in the sun until the music stops playing in March. Then come that time it's... George Pataki!

    George Pataki would actually be a good President, just a shame he has no chance of winning the primaries in today's GOP
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    edited August 2015
    I went for Andy B in the end. I signed myself up for Yvettes' campaign at the beginning, but her poor showing has kind of shown how far I have drifted outwards.

    That said, I'm quite looking foreword to Jeremy winning (and I will also make money which helps)- I don't think Jezza will go down well, but I've been wrong before.

    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    We'll be able to assess that when we see the deputy leadership results. I like her and she's good at enthusing a crowd, an important quality for deputy. The current members' mood for a change of style seems to be benefiting Stella more, but we'll see. Watson remains the favourite by sheer weight of organisation and contacts.

    Incidentally, of the statements sent to all members by the four leadership contenders, I thought that Andy Burnham's pitch was the best-pitched (and for alphabetical reasons it comes first) - it appeals to the "we must change" theme as convincingly as Kendall, without the contentious elements. I'd already decided how I was voting, but I'd think he did himself no harm with the undecided voters. If members want to shift a bit left without going as far as Corbyn, I can see him coming second on the first ballot.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,955

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    You have said that deliberately haven't you, posted that picture deliberately haven't you. All with quite gratuitous intent, to intimidate sensitive souls like me. It will take me days now to get the image out of my mind. Ugh.
    It has to be said that that video has a voyeur-cam feel to it.

    Personally I have no time at all for this lady.
    Then again perhaps as soothing therapy you could take in a video from The Mail for which the description goes -- ''GRAPHIC WARNING: When the girl begins to squeeze it, the boil doesn't explode like you might expect-instead the nauseating footage shows the pus coiling out like a worm writhing from the earth.''
    I think not, m'dear.

    The camera position on the above vid is far too low, imo.

    It's Saturday, the sun is out, and I'm trying to avoid getting round to installing a gatepost.
    Well you would get more coherent policies out of a gatepost.
    Objective achieved, since it has now started raining.

    Listening to the Media Show from a couple of weeks ago and silly celeb "stop the kiss and tell" injunctions about stories that are already all over the internet seem to be back.

    We *still* live in a legal banana republic :-(.

  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited August 2015
    Plato said:

    An interesting observation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11818430/Jeremy-Corbyns-young-fans-are-fools-they-dont-know-how-lucky-they-are.html

    ...There may be dissatisfaction out there (when is there not?) and some real anger (the young are much given to anger) but the basis for this Corbynite uprising is not unhappiness with present conditions. It is the opposite: the complacency that a few decades of generally satisfactory, more-or-less competent government tends to induce.

    The reason that Corbymania looks and sounds so adolescent is because it is: it is the kind of rebellion that can be indulged in by adolescents (of all ages) when their conditions are relatively secure and the grown-ups are looking a bit self-satisfied. There is a hard core of deadly serious old Leftists who have been waiting for their moment since 1974, and a well-organised tranche of trade unionists who have very specific special interests, such as the re-nationalisation of the railways, which would give them back the power to shut down the entire country’s rail transport with a single strike ballot.

    But the vast majority of those who may be about to elect Britain’s own Hugo Chavez to run the main opposition party are just playing around. They are doing this because they can. Because on the scale of life’s domestic emergencies, there is not much going on, so why not mess about with some ideological experiment and have a joyous fling with the fellowship of rebellion?
    Interesting indeed. The same autor, a little more than a year ago, wrote an article entitled "The people feel ignored – and they are angry";

    "There will really be only two contestants in the next general election: the political class and the people. And by the “political class”, I mean the entire operation that runs, manipulates and communicates the activities of government. That conglomeration of politicians and their special interest lobbies, media followers and professional handlers is now more self-referring, inbred and profoundly detached from the reality of most people’s lives than at any time in a generation. "

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10730787/The-people-feel-ignored-and-they-are-angry.html

    It's odd how people's minds work sometimes.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417
    ** Crossover alert**

    Hilary Clinton and Jeremy Corbyn are the same price (1.44/1.45-6) on Betfair.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    tyson said:

    I went for Andy B in the end. I signed myself up for Yvettes' campaign at the beginning, but her poor showing has kind of shown how far I have drifted outwards.

    That said, I'm quite looking foreword to Jeremy winning (and I will also make money which helps)- I don't think Jezza will go down well, but I've been wrong before.

    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    We'll be able to assess that when we see the deputy leadership results. I like her and she's good at enthusing a crowd, an important quality for deputy. The current members' mood for a change of style seems to be benefiting Stella more, but we'll see. Watson remains the favourite by sheer weight of organisation and contacts.

    Incidentally, of the statements sent to all members by the four leadership contenders, I thought that Andy Burnham's pitch was the best-pitched (and for alphabetical reasons it comes first) - it appeals to the "we must change" theme as convincingly as Kendall, without the contentious elements. I'd already decided how I was voting, but I'd think he did himself no harm with the undecided voters. If members want to shift a bit left without going as far as Corbyn, I can see him coming second on the first ballot.
    A wise decision in the end Tyson, all the polling has been clear that of the 4 Burnham has the highest rating with the public
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    Speedy said:

    twitter.com/ian_wfc/status/635105236420546560/photo/1


    A very unpleasant close-up.

    Blimey
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    You have said that deliberately haven't you, posted that picture deliberately haven't you. All with quite gratuitous intent, to intimidate sensitive souls like me. It will take me days now to get the image out of my mind. Ugh.
    It has to be said that that video has a voyeur-cam feel to it.

    Personally I have no time at all for this lady.
    Then again perhaps as soothing therapy you could take in a video from The Mail for which the description goes -- ''GRAPHIC WARNING: When the girl begins to squeeze it, the boil doesn't explode like you might expect-instead the nauseating footage shows the pus coiling out like a worm writhing from the earth.''
    I think not, m'dear.

    The camera position on the above vid is far too low, imo.

    It's Saturday, the sun is out, and I'm trying to avoid getting round to installing a gatepost.
    Well you would get more coherent policies out of a gatepost.
    Objective achieved, since it has now started raining.

    Listening to the Media Show from a couple of weeks ago and silly celeb "stop the kiss and tell" injunctions about stories that are already all over the internet seem to be back.

    We *still* live in a legal banana republic :-(.

    Of course Ryan Giggs was ultimately unmasked in Parliament after almost everyone knew from the net he was the celebrity with the injunction anyway
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Speedy said:
    Hard to believe the pilot survived, but those are the current reports.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207016/Pilot-pulled-burning-wreckage-plane-crashes-Shoreham-Airshow.html
    Took the roof clean off that old Daimler.

    Engine failure looks most likely to me...
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    twitter.com/ian_wfc/status/635105236420546560/photo/1
    A very unpleasant close-up.

    Agree - do people have no sense of decency?
    BTW The pilot survived I believe. The plane was performing a loop.
    It may be unpleasant but it is accurate and could help the investigation into the crash
    I do not see how posting it on the internet helps.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    edited August 2015
    Good evening, everyone.

    Hopefully Ladbrokes is running again.

    Edited extra bit: good, it is.

    Except I loathe the fact that for some damned reason it now appears that you can't get every market on one page. Why redesign the site to reduce user friendliness?

    And is the search function still there?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,955
    edited August 2015
    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    You have said that deliberately haven't you, posted that picture deliberately haven't you. All with quite gratuitous intent, to intimidate sensitive souls like me. It will take me days now to get the image out of my mind. Ugh.
    It has to be said that that video has a voyeur-cam feel to it.

    Personally I have no time at all for this lady.
    Then again perhaps as soothing therapy you could take in a video from The Mail for which the description goes -- ''GRAPHIC WARNING: When the girl begins to squeeze it, the boil doesn't explode like you might expect-instead the nauseating footage shows the pus coiling out like a worm writhing from the earth.''
    I think not, m'dear.

    The camera position on the above vid is far too low, imo.

    It's Saturday, the sun is out, and I'm trying to avoid getting round to installing a gatepost.
    Well you would get more coherent policies out of a gatepost.
    Objective achieved, since it has now started raining.

    Listening to the Media Show from a couple of weeks ago and silly celeb "stop the kiss and tell" injunctions about stories that are already all over the internet seem to be back.

    We *still* live in a legal banana republic :-(.

    Of course Ryan Giggs was ultimately unmasked in Parliament after almost everyone knew from the net he was the celebrity with the injunction anyway
    For the avoidance of doubt, there *is* an Injunction out at present, so don't play games here, anyone, for the sake of OGH.
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    Pulpstar said:

    ** Crossover alert**

    Hilary Clinton and Jeremy Corbyn are the same price (1.44/1.45-6) on Betfair.

    Have they ever been seen in the same room together?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:

    twitter.com/ian_wfc/status/635105236420546560/photo/1
    A very unpleasant close-up.

    Agree - do people have no sense of decency?
    BTW The pilot survived I believe. The plane was performing a loop.
    It may be unpleasant but it is accurate and could help the investigation into the crash
    I do not see how posting it on the internet helps.
    Well it was a record of the crash not a picture of the victims and I believe the pilot was pulled out alive
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/22/liz-kendall-1-yvette-cooper-2-andy-burnham-3/
    Where Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall have fought for the type of party that they believe in, the Burnham campaign has pandered, flip-flopped and folded in on itself. Several times. Often within the same day.

    This is a candidate who makes a point of claiming to be from outside the Westminster bubble, despite having spent over 99% of his working life in Westminster as a parliamentary researcher, a government special adviser, an MP, a minister and a shadow minister.

    A candidate so keen to demonstrate his northern credentials that he answered a question on his favourite biscuit by saying “beer, chips and gravy.”

    And who attacked those criticising Jeremy Corbyn as divisive the night before launching his own assault on the Corbyn agenda swiftly followed by a return to his earlier position from the previous night, a day later.

    Confused? You should be.

    It’s not just the pandering; it’s not simply the zig-zagging on issues which is so problematic. It’s the unbelievably bad political judgement evident in how decisions have been made and executed.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    edited August 2015
    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    You have said that deliberately haven't you, posted that picture deliberately haven't you. All with quite gratuitous intent, to intimidate sensitive souls like me. It will take me days now to get the image out of my mind. Ugh.
    It has to be said that that video has a voyeur-cam feel to it.

    Personally I have no time at all for this lady.
    Then again perhaps as soothing therapy you could take in a video from The Mail for which the description goes -- ''GRAPHIC WARNING: When the girl begins to squeeze it, the boil doesn't explode like you might expect-instead the nauseating footage shows the pus coiling out like a worm writhing from the earth.''
    I think not, m'dear.

    The camera position on the above vid is far too low, imo.

    It's Saturday, the sun is out, and I'm trying to avoid getting round to installing a gatepost.
    Well you would get more coherent policies out of a gatepost.
    Objective achieved, since it has now started raining.

    Listening to the Media Show from a couple of weeks ago and silly celeb "stop the kiss and tell" injunctions about stories that are already all over the internet seem to be back.

    We *still* live in a legal banana republic :-(.

    Of course Ryan Giggs was ultimately unmasked in Parliament after almost everyone knew from the net he was the celebrity with the injunction anyway
    For the avoidance of doubt, there *is* an Injunction out at present, so don't play games here, anyone, for the sake of OGH.
    Every newspaper in the country and the BBC have now named the person in question and even his own family have talked about his affair at length in the press, I think you are rather closing the door after the horse has bolted there!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046
    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Danny565 said:

    I wonder how much better the Blairites would've fared if they'd fielded Caroline Flint as their candidate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koEFHyxfKb4

    She's a much better politician than Kendall IMO - I don't agree with most of what she says (especially the rubbish about "paying down the debt"), but she atleast gives fluent and coherent answers. Unlike Kendall and her limited collection of contrived slogans which she parrots while clearly not having understood or thought deeply about the issues at all.

    You have said that deliberately haven't you, posted that picture deliberately haven't you. All with quite gratuitous intent, to intimidate sensitive souls like me. It will take me days now to get the image out of my mind. Ugh.
    It has to be said that that video has a voyeur-cam feel to it.

    Personally I have no time at all for this lady.
    Then again perhaps as soothing therapy you could take in a video from The Mail for which the description goes -- ''GRAPHIC WARNING: When the girl begins to squeeze it, the boil doesn't explode like you might expect-instead the nauseating footage shows the pus coiling out like a worm writhing from the earth.''
    I think not, m'dear.

    The camera position on the above vid is far too low, imo.

    It's Saturday, the sun is out, and I'm trying to avoid getting round to installing a gatepost.
    Well you would get more coherent policies out of a gatepost.
    Objective achieved, since it has now started raining.

    Listening to the Media Show from a couple of weeks ago and silly celeb "stop the kiss and tell" injunctions about stories that are already all over the internet seem to be back.

    We *still* live in a legal banana republic :-(.

    Of course Ryan Giggs was ultimately unmasked in Parliament after almost everyone knew from the net he was the celebrity with the injunction anyway
    For the avoidance of doubt, there *is* an Injunction out at present, so don't play games here, anyone, for the sake of OGH.
    Is reporting on comments on an injunction made under parliamentary privilege in violation of that injunction?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    edited August 2015
    Speedy said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:


    There is a reason why no republican candidate has ever got the nomination if he failed to win Iowa or N.Hampshire, momentum.

    Until they reach Florida, Bush would have lost 20 states, a record worse than Giuliani in 2008 when he waited for Florida to save him too.
    If Trump wins the first 2 then on March 15 he would win all of them, even Ohio as Kasich will probably withdraw after N. Hampshire or S.Carolina

    You're assuming Trump wins all those early states. I doubt that will happen. Someone will have momentum at that stage, but I doubt it will be Trump. Someone will win more states than the others, but I doubt anyone will sweep all the early states. Even if they do, they do not sweep the delegates.

    History is useful in reading elections, but it does not bind the future. HYUFD claims the GOP traditionally goes with the frontrunner. In fact, it traditionally goes with last iteration's runner up. This time that should be Huckabee or Ron Paul. Neither of those are going to happen.

    Sure, there have been previous GOP primaries with a big field, including 2012, but seldom with so many who really could go all the way. This one has a different feel than 2012 and I suspect will hold a number of surprises for us all.
    He's leading in all those states, Florida included.
    And it's not geographically constrained, in 2012 Romney dominated the N.E. in the state polls all the way but was very weak in the south and the plains, he was also lucky that Florida was no.4 on the list not no.20.

    Trump's lead is wide and deep in all demographics, all issues and all regions.
    Think about it, if a candidate was leading 4-1 on the economy and immigration, 3-1 on foreign policy, 2-1 on social issues and leading the polls by 2-1 margin everywhere, you would have though that he's going to win.
    One last post, and then I need to go out. I believe Trump has pretty much maxed out and leveled off with first preference votes around 25%. The data I've seen shows he will pick up at most around 10% second preferences, so a total ceiling of around 35%.

    So if, and it's a huge if, Trump's numbers hold up until voting begins, is it enough to win in a three horse race? Yes. In a two horse race? No. So once March 15 is out of the way, I suspect if Trump is still around that there would be incredible pressure for those remaining candidates most centered within the party (Rubio, Bush, Walker, Kasich, Christie) to reduce to one candidate. Prognosticating so far out is a little foolish, but if forced to guess I'd say the voting would then split 50+% Establishment candidate, >35% Trump, >15% all others remaining.

    For trends within the GOP, see:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/21/how-sustainable-is-donald-trumps-lead/
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    Mr. D, I believe there was a furore over such an incident some time ago. Better safe than sued.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008
    edited August 2015
    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:

    MTimT said:

    Speedy said:


    There is a reason why no republican candidate has ever got the nomination if he failed to win Iowa or N.Hampshire, momentum.

    Until they reach Florida, Bush would have lost 20 states, a record worse than Giuliani in 2008 when he waited for Florida to save him too.
    If Trump wins the first 2 then on March 15 he would win all of them, even Ohio as Kasich will probably withdraw after N. Hampshire or S.Carolina

    You're assuming Trump wins all those early states. I doubt that will happen. Someone will have momentum at that stage, but I doubt it will be Trump. Someone will win more states than the others, but I doubt anyone will sweep all the early states. Even if they do, they do not sweep the delegates.

    History is useful in reading elections, but it does not bind the future. HYUFD claims the GOP traditionally goes with the frontrunner. In fact, it traditionally goes with last iteration's runner up. This time that should be Huckabee or Ron Paul. Neither of those are going to happen.

    Sure, there have been previous GOP primaries with a big field, including 2012, but seldom with so many who really could go all the way. This one has a different feel than 2012 and I suspect will hold a number of surprises for us all.

    Trump's lead is wide and deep in all demographics, all issues and all regions.
    Think about it, if a candidate was leading 4-1 on the economy and immigration, 3-1 on foreign policy, 2-1 on social issues and leading the polls by 2-1 margin everywhere, you would have though that he's going to win.
    One last post, and then I need to go out. I believe Trump has pretty much maxed out and leveled off with first preference votes around 25%. The data I've seen shows he will pick up at most around 10% second preferences, so a total ceiling of around 35%.

    So if, and it's a huge if, Trump's numbers hold up until voting begins, is it enough to win in a three horse race? Yes. In a two horse race? No. So once March 15 is out of the way, I suspect if Trump is still around that there would be incredible pressure for those remaining candidates most centered within the party (Rubio, Bush, Walker, Kasich, Christie) to reduce to one candidate. Prognosticating so far out is a little foolish, but if forced to guess I'd say the voting would then split 50+% Establishment candidate, >35% Trump, >15% all others remaining.

    For trends within the GOP, see:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/21/how-sustainable-is-donald-trumps-lead/
    If they only agree such a 'unity' ticket after Trump has won Iowa and NH and Super Tuesday and Illinois, Florida and Ohio have voted he will pretty much have the nomination wrapped up anyway and has the money to swamp the last opponent standing in the remaining states
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,008

    Mr. D, I believe there was a furore over such an incident some time ago. Better safe than sued.

    He cannot sue when he has already been named in Parliament and his naming was reported by every media outlet in the country!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,973
    Betting Post

    F1: a pre-race piece with a not terribly original bet:
    http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/belgium-pre-race.html

    Perhaps it's because I'm a shade off-colour or because it's the first race since Cnut was on the throne, but I found it difficult to find a good bet.

    So, I went for one as comfortable as a pair of slippers:
    Maldonado not to be classified: 2.5

    The list of non-finishes by Lotus does not merry reading make.
  • HYUFD said:

    Speedy said:


    The theory of when the field shrinks from 17 to 2-3 that Trump will lose has suffered a blow in the polls lately, not only he beats Bush in a head to head match up 50-42, his lead is increasing, and in a 3 way race with Bush and Carson he wins 44-29-25:

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-polls-republicans-winnning-365199

    "Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

    Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

    Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent."

    I expect Trump to lead the polls all the way till Christmas.

    My conclusion from this is that Jeb Bush and Scott Walker cannot win. Sure, Trump's ahead on name recognition but every GOP member with a room temperature IQ knows about Bush and Walker, so they have no room to improve. Rather, the eventual candidate is hidden among the back-markers. I've had a small wager on Kasich, but really it is too soon to be sure who will run on past the early front-runners as they drop back.
    I wouldn't be surprised if each candidate cycled through their moment in the sun until the music stops playing in March. Then come that time it's... George Pataki!

    George Pataki would actually be a good President, just a shame he has no chance of winning the primaries in today's GOP
    I like George Pataki and I'd vote for him in the general if he were on the ticket. But as long as he keeps referring back to 9/11 instead of running as a moderate Republican, he has no chance.

    You can argue that big tent Republicans don't really exist anymore but if they do, he'd have that perhaps-imaginary slice of the electorate locked up.

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