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edited 2015 19 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Boost for Yvette Cooper in the battle for second place – the New Statesman gives her its endorsement

The influential left-wing magazine, the New Statesman has announced that it is endorsing Yvette Cooper for Labour leader. Given how far Mr. Corbyn is ahead this is probably only significant in her fight with Andy Burnham for the runner-up slot which could be important if Corbyn fails to stay the course.

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  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Too little too late.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    I still find she makes Mrs M Thatcher seem fun, warm, cuddly and engaging.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Obviously this is great news for the SNP and the Scottish Independence cause

    Oh my

    A married SNP MP today said she is the victim of a smear campaign after her email address was one of millions released in a data hack on infidelity website Ashley Madison.

    Michelle Thomson, the MP for Edinburgh West, said her identity was 'harvested' by hackers who published details of the social network's 37million members including 1.2million in the UK.


    http://dailym.ai/1hoWWLh
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,497
    Why would she want second place in a Party that to all intents and purpose's is going to cease to exist from next month?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    edited 2015 19
    MikeSmithson said:

    My view is that that is the correct decision. She’s a much more substantial politician than Burnham and Corbyn.

    I totally agree, Team Burnham's nasty misogynistic attack on her the other night confirmed as much.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    It does still seem to be a surprisingly prevalent view in Labour circles that Cooper would be more "electable" than Burnham, even though all the public opionion polls have told a different story.
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    I think this leadership race has gone so badly for Cooper and Burnham, they are done in terms of leadership ambitions.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. Eagles, what attack was that?
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215
    Danny565 said:

    It does still seem to be a surprisingly prevalent view in Labour circles that Cooper would be more "electable" than Burnham, even though all the public opionion polls have told a different story.

    The Corbyn surge has almost masked the fact Burnham and Cooper would be eaten alive by whoever the next Tory leader is.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,788
    The New Stateman supported Ed as well... well at least he won his leadership.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    Or

    There has indeed been what you might call a “tea or coffee” aspect to the Cooper campaign. The suspicion is that if she was asked which of the two she would prefer, she might reply “it is a false choice”
  • PaulyPauly Posts: 897
    "WTI CRUDE OIL EXTENDS DECLINE TO LOWEST INTRADAY LEVEL SINCE 2009"
    Things, can only get better... I for one welcome our new Conservative overlords. :D
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Eagles, what attack was that?

    They decided to play the woman, and not the ball (talk about mixed metaphors)

    But a source in the Burnham camp called this and Cooper’s team’s claim that their data shows she is the only candidate to beat Corbyn a ‘panicked, desperate stunt straight out of the Ed Balls playbook’.

    http://bit.ly/1Pm88Tc
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. Eagles, so... you're being sarcastic about the nasty misogyny? Or is there more to it?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    edited 2015 19
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    My view is that that is the correct decision. She’s a much more substantial politician than Burnham and Corbyn.

    I totally agree, Team Burnham's nasty misogynistic attack on her the other night confirmed as much.
    Surely some mistake TSE complaining about a misogynistic attack.


    Cooper has all the depth of an early Bond film female lead IMO
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,233
    Pauly said:

    "WTI CRUDE OIL EXTENDS DECLINE TO LOWEST INTRADAY LEVEL SINCE 2009"
    Things, can only get better... I for one welcome our new Conservative overlords. :D

    A shame it didn't happen a year earlier ;)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    edited 2015 19
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Eagles, is there more to it?

    More of it from TSE??
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    Are there political betting markets for whether or not Cooper, Burnham, Kendall or Corbyn's names appear on the Ashley Madison client list? No doubt Guido would let the world know!
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,741
    Q: In the election to choose Labour's London Mayoral candidate, is voting restricted to only members / affiliates / £3 sign-ups WHO LIVE IN LONDON?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Eagles, so... you're being sarcastic about the nasty misogyny? Or is there more to it?

    Team Cooper thought it was misogynistic.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    MikeL said:

    Q: In the election to choose Labour's London Mayoral candidate, is voting restricted to only members / affiliates / £3 sign-ups WHO LIVE IN LONDON?

    Yes.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    bigjohnowls said:

    Or

    There has indeed been what you might call a “tea or coffee” aspect to the Cooper campaign. The suspicion is that if she was asked which of the two she would prefer, she might reply “it is a false choice”

    Quite right, Mr. Owls. A ghastly woman, a machine politician who was not altogether successful, let alone inspiring, in her time as a minister having to make real decisions. That Labour MPs think she is even worthy to be on the ballot just goes to show how poor the talent pool is. The infamous donkey in a red rosette could probably do a better job.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Spot on - but she shines in a field whose dullness makes 'black holes' seem quite bright.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    Patrick said:

    Are there political betting markets for whether or not Cooper, Burnham, Kendall or Corbyn's names appear on the Ashley Madison client list? No doubt Guido would let the world know!

    Might download the torrent and take a look myself for anyone interesting ;p
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    felix said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Spot on - but she shines in a field whose dullness makes 'black holes' seem quite bright.
    I think Jezbollah and the Tory are less dull than Yvette.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. Owls, I'd prefer Rosa Klebb to Cooper. At least Klebb was competent. She wouldn't've presided over the HIPS failure.

    Mr. Eagles, I see.

    If I were a Labour supporter I'd be feeling more comfortable about only voting for Kendall, then.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    DanSmith said:

    I think this leadership race has gone so badly for Cooper and Burnham, they are done in terms of leadership ambitions.

    Agreed unless of course one wins in 3 weeks after a Corbyn wobble

    I voted today to avoid aforesaid wobble.

    Get that vote done Mr Danny565 you know it makes sense
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    As opposed to:

    "Tea. Definitely tea."

    [2 hours pass]

    "The tea comment was clearly a joke. Coffee."

    [A day later]

    "Football, actually."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    bigjohnowls said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    My view is that that is the correct decision. She’s a much more substantial politician than Burnham and Corbyn.

    I totally agree, Team Burnham's nasty misogynistic attack on her the other night confirmed as much.
    Surely some mistake TSE complaining about a misogynistic attack.


    Cooper has all the depth of an early Bond film female lead IMO
    Have you seen the Man from UNCLE? Has the charm of the early Bonds.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    Tissue_Price said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    As opposed to:

    "Tea. Definitely tea."

    [2 hours pass]

    "The tea comment was clearly a joke. Coffee."

    [A day later]

    "Football, actually."
    Bovril shuuurely
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,569
    I'm with OGH on this - and I'm red on Burnham and bright green on Yvette as I thought Labour would come to their senses and the same conclusion - but am covered on Corbyn thankfully.

    I think people are underestimating how much difficulty the Tories would have against a woman - as obliquely mentioned on the past thread. She'd be attacked for Ed Balls being in charge, and her easy comeback is that you'd never accuse a male politician of being in hock to his wife.

    Fascinated by the rise of Corbyn though, but glad it's in someone else's party.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    My view is that that is the correct decision. She’s a much more substantial politician than Burnham and Corbyn.

    I totally agree, Team Burnham's nasty misogynistic attack on her the other night confirmed as much.
    Surely some mistake TSE complaining about a misogynistic attack.


    Cooper has all the depth of an early Bond film female lead IMO
    Have you seen the Man from UNCLE? Has the charm of the early Bonds.
    Loved it.

    Saw it on day of release.

    Now if the female lead in that was up for Labour leader we would both have given her 1 so to speak
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Andy looks and sounds more appealing, so long as you don't pay attention to anything he says.
    Danny565 said:

    It does still seem to be a surprisingly prevalent view in Labour circles that Cooper would be more "electable" than Burnham, even though all the public opionion polls have told a different story.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Rallings & Thrasher have published their election report on "aspects of participation and
    administration":

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/191861/Plymouth-UKPGE-electoral-data-report-final-WEB.pdf
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Labour supporters on here must be cringing at the attacks on corbyn by the other leadership camps and leftwing supporting newspapers,not to mention the smearing of each of the other candidates by each of the leadership camps.

    Must leave some bad taste after the leadership contest is finished.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,358
    Is the battle for second place of any interest to anyone other than those who have placed a bet on the battle for second place?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. tpfkar, that may be an issue. But if Cooper continues her approach to playing the gender card, she'll piss off the vast majority of men, and (I'd argue) most women too. It cuts both ways.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    That's one better than Andy "Whatever you're having... or what Jeremy says"
    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Spot on - but she shines in a field whose dullness makes 'black holes' seem quite bright.
    I think Jezbollah and the Tory are less dull than Yvette.
    True a couple of weeks ago Cooper was my likely 2nd preference but she bored and Jezza attacked me out of it.

    Re the Tory Lady not 4 me.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,741
    Pulpstar said:

    MikeL said:

    Q: In the election to choose Labour's London Mayoral candidate, is voting restricted to only members / affiliates / £3 sign-ups WHO LIVE IN LONDON?

    Yes.
    Thanks.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Spot on - but she shines in a field whose dullness makes 'black holes' seem quite bright.
    I think Jezbollah and the Tory are less dull than Yvette.
    True a couple of weeks ago Cooper was my likely 2nd preference but she bored and Jezza attacked me out of it.

    Re the Tory Lady not 4 me.
    She nearly became the Labour candidate for Chesterfield
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    edited 2015 19
    Plato said:

    That's one better than Andy "Whatever you're having... or what Jeremy says"

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Andys favorite footwear is definitely Flip Flops
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Cooper's entire political agenda in 36 seconds:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HSzJWRHOQ
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "The US is getting closer to exporting crude oil for the first time in more than 40 years":

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/httpoilpricecomenergycrude-oilwhite-houses-inches-closer-to-lifting-the-crude-export-banhtml?r=US&IR=T#ixzz3jH6VhQr1

    It comes as a surprise to me that they haven't been exporting oil for 40 years.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Danny565 said:

    It does still seem to be a surprisingly prevalent view in Labour circles that Cooper would be more "electable" than Burnham, even though all the public opionion polls have told a different story.

    I think most "bubble" people think that Cooper is (a) brighter and (b) more strategic than Burnham, so would do a better job of defining herself and positioning the party.

    Hypothetical opinion polls should be largely disregarded in most circumstances.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I have to say that I Woz Personated is going to be the most entertaining bit of this farce.

    Maybe it's just me, but the revenge potential of using someone else's email address... to set up a fake account on an affairs website... that only embarrasses the 'victim' after all the details were hacked... and posted on the Dark Web...

    The Jeremy Kyle audience says Nah.
    Patrick said:

    Are there political betting markets for whether or not Cooper, Burnham, Kendall or Corbyn's names appear on the Ashley Madison client list? No doubt Guido would let the world know!

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 19
    AndyJS said:

    "The US is getting closer to exporting crude oil for the first time in more than 40 years":

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/httpoilpricecomenergycrude-oilwhite-houses-inches-closer-to-lifting-the-crude-export-banhtml?r=US&IR=T#ixzz3jH6VhQr1

    It comes as a surprise to me that they haven't been exporting oil for 40 years.

    Nixon, 1973 oil crisis, he banned the export of oil.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    edited 2015 19
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Spot on - but she shines in a field whose dullness makes 'black holes' seem quite bright.
    I think Jezbollah and the Tory are less dull than Yvette.
    True a couple of weeks ago Cooper was my likely 2nd preference but she bored and Jezza attacked me out of it.

    Re the Tory Lady not 4 me.
    She nearly became the Labour candidate for Chesterfield
    I know fortunately we got Toby instead, or as he is known now Tory Perkins.

    He is much more suitable........ as campaign manager for aforesaid Tory Lady
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Speedy said:

    AndyJS said:

    "The US is getting closer to exporting crude oil for the first time in more than 40 years":

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/httpoilpricecomenergycrude-oilwhite-houses-inches-closer-to-lifting-the-crude-export-banhtml?r=US&IR=T#ixzz3jH6VhQr1

    It comes as a surprise to me that they haven't been exporting oil for 40 years.

    Nixon, 1973 oil crisis, he banned the export of oil.
    American free enterprise in action.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Spot on - but she shines in a field whose dullness makes 'black holes' seem quite bright.
    I think Jezbollah and the Tory are less dull than Yvette.
    True a couple of weeks ago Cooper was my likely 2nd preference but she bored and Jezza attacked me out of it.

    Re the Tory Lady not 4 me.
    She nearly became the Labour candidate for Chesterfield
    I think my local MP, Engel might have been a decent choice for Labour. True she'd have given loads of comic red top German based headlines, but her voting record on stuff like the EU shows an independence of thought without being out there batshit left wing or so right wing she couldn't have picked up support within the Labour party.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    Apologies to those who have seen this on The Labour Leadership.

    Corbyn,

    Corbyn is ahead.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E6H0BhBrAA&feature=youtu.be

    Mr H of Berlin is upset, Corbyn et al meet Downfall.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Spot on - but she shines in a field whose dullness makes 'black holes' seem quite bright.
    I think Jezbollah and the Tory are less dull than Yvette.
    True a couple of weeks ago Cooper was my likely 2nd preference but she bored and Jezza attacked me out of it.

    Re the Tory Lady not 4 me.
    She nearly became the Labour candidate for Chesterfield
    I think my local MP, Engel might have been a decent choice for Labour. True she'd have given loads of comic red top German based headlines, but her voting record on stuff like the EU shows an independence of thought without being out there batshit left wing or so right wing she couldn't have picked up support within the Labour party.
    She turned up at my local infant school with the Education Secretary.

    That went down really well with Labour supporters in Staveley
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T:

    The population growth rate for the UK is currently higher than China according to the CIA World Factbook.

    Growth rate 2015:

    China: 0.45%
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
    UK: 0.54%
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/uk.html
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Editor of Israel's oldest and foremost newspaper admits the country is an apartheid state...
    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/israeli-journalist-apartheid
  • LennonLennon Posts: 1,785
    Total O/T - but I suddenly have 2 tickets available for the 1st day of the Oval Test (ie tomorrow). OCS Stand, Block 16. Face Value £90/ticket. Let me know if you're interested.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    edited 2015 19
    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Spot on - but she shines in a field whose dullness makes 'black holes' seem quite bright.
    I think Jezbollah and the Tory are less dull than Yvette.
    True a couple of weeks ago Cooper was my likely 2nd preference but she bored and Jezza attacked me out of it.

    Re the Tory Lady not 4 me.
    She nearly became the Labour candidate for Chesterfield
    I think my local MP, Engel might have been a decent choice for Labour. True she'd have given loads of comic red top German based headlines, but her voting record on stuff like the EU shows an independence of thought without being out there batshit left wing or so right wing she couldn't have picked up support within the Labour party.
    She turned up at my local infant school with the Education Secretary.

    That went down really well with Labour supporters in Staveley
    With Nicky Morgan ?

    I have an allotment in Staveley btw ^_~
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 19
    2016 breaking news.

    Trump leads Hillary for the first time in a swing state, specifically N.Carolina by 45 to 42:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/trump-grows-lead-in-nc-gop-leads-most-match-ups.html

    Also he beats Bush in a head to head race among republicans in the primary by 50-42 (there goes another theory).

    That comes on top of earlier news of a CNN poll that has Trump being the best republican candidate against Hillary and Bush among the worst.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    http://linkis.com/s88BM

    Is this the one?
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Spot on - but she shines in a field whose dullness makes 'black holes' seem quite bright.
    I think Jezbollah and the Tory are less dull than Yvette.
    True a couple of weeks ago Cooper was my likely 2nd preference but she bored and Jezza attacked me out of it.

    Re the Tory Lady not 4 me.
    She nearly became the Labour candidate for Chesterfield
    I think my local MP, Engel might have been a decent choice for Labour. True she'd have given loads of comic red top German based headlines, but her voting record on stuff like the EU shows an independence of thought without being out there batshit left wing or so right wing she couldn't have picked up support within the Labour party.
    She turned up at my local infant school with the Education Secretary.

    That went down really well with Labour supporters in Staveley
    Why would that be a problem, Mr. Owls? Aside from anything else I thought your man for Labour leader was into all this talking to the people who mean you harm malarky, even calling them friends. I mean if it is wrong to open a dialogue with your enemy where does that leave your desired leader?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    F1: must say I'm surprised.

    Ferrari have retained Raikkonen for 2016.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/33993734
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RodCrosby said:

    Editor of Israel's oldest and foremost newspaper admits the country is an apartheid state...
    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/israeli-journalist-apartheid

    If he wasn't jewish he would have been crucified.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. Speedy, that's a disgraceful thing to write.

    "If he weren't..." - it's subjunctive, not indicative.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    Pulpstar said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Spot on - but she shines in a field whose dullness makes 'black holes' seem quite bright.
    I think Jezbollah and the Tory are less dull than Yvette.
    True a couple of weeks ago Cooper was my likely 2nd preference but she bored and Jezza attacked me out of it.

    Re the Tory Lady not 4 me.
    She nearly became the Labour candidate for Chesterfield
    I think my local MP, Engel might have been a decent choice for Labour. True she'd have given loads of comic red top German based headlines, but her voting record on stuff like the EU shows an independence of thought without being out there batshit left wing or so right wing she couldn't have picked up support within the Labour party.
    She turned up at my local infant school with the Education Secretary.

    That went down really well with Labour supporters in Staveley
    With Nicky Morgan ?

    I have an allotment in Staveley btw ^_~
    Really with Nicky Morgan.

    Time to get your sprouts in after you vote.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Cooper's tactic of basically saying nothing, so as not to annoy anybody may well have been successful if Corbyn had not come along. She would have got more of Kendall's votes when she dropped out and I'm not sure Burnham would have had a big enough lead in first preferences.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Spot on - but she shines in a field whose dullness makes 'black holes' seem quite bright.
    I think Jezbollah and the Tory are less dull than Yvette.
    True a couple of weeks ago Cooper was my likely 2nd preference but she bored and Jezza attacked me out of it.

    Re the Tory Lady not 4 me.
    She nearly became the Labour candidate for Chesterfield
    I think my local MP, Engel might have been a decent choice for Labour. True she'd have given loads of comic red top German based headlines, but her voting record on stuff like the EU shows an independence of thought without being out there batshit left wing or so right wing she couldn't have picked up support within the Labour party.
    She turned up at my local infant school with the Education Secretary.

    That went down really well with Labour supporters in Staveley
    With Nicky Morgan ?

    I have an allotment in Staveley btw ^_~
    Really with Nicky Morgan.

    Time to get your sprouts in after you vote.
    Hmm thought she always seemed quite sensible for a Labourite ;)
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Speedy said:

    2016 breaking news.

    Trump leads Hillary for the first time in a swing state, specifically N.Carolina by 45 to 42:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/trump-grows-lead-in-nc-gop-leads-most-match-ups.html

    Also he beats Bush in a head to head race among republicans in the primary by 50-42 (there goes another theory).

    That comes on top of earlier news of a CNN poll that has Trump being the best republican candidate against Hillary and Bush among the worst.

    It's only swing in the sense it's a tight race. It wouldn't actually matter for the outcome. If the Democrats win there, it's all over for the Republicans.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    HurstLlama said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    felix said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Too safe. Each position she adopts is carefully calculated to place herself in a position of perfect equilibrium between two other competing positions. “Tea or coffee, Yvette?” “Well, I love tea. But I think it would be a serious mistake to ignore the importance of coffee."

    Spot on - but she shines in a field whose dullness makes 'black holes' seem quite bright.
    I think Jezbollah and the Tory are less dull than Yvette.
    True a couple of weeks ago Cooper was my likely 2nd preference but she bored and Jezza attacked me out of it.

    Re the Tory Lady not 4 me.
    She nearly became the Labour candidate for Chesterfield
    I think my local MP, Engel might have been a decent choice for Labour. True she'd have given loads of comic red top German based headlines, but her voting record on stuff like the EU shows an independence of thought without being out there batshit left wing or so right wing she couldn't have picked up support within the Labour party.
    She turned up at my local infant school with the Education Secretary.

    That went down really well with Labour supporters in Staveley
    Why would that be a problem, Mr. Owls? Aside from anything else I thought your man for Labour leader was into all this talking to the people who mean you harm malarky, even calling them friends. I mean if it is wrong to open a dialogue with your enemy where does that leave your desired leader?
    All for it myself. I am a Northern Powerhouse supporter.

    Mind you if she had turned up with Gove that would have been different.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. Owls, I know we were sat together at the Ilkley meet, but my ability to discern accents is horrendous. Are you from the north?

    Just curious, because I'm wondering if support (from the area) may vary according to which bit. Some northern areas tend to have city-identities, others are county-wide (for those fortunate enough to be born in Yorkshire).
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,958
    Speedy said:

    2016 breaking news.

    Trump leads Hillary for the first time in a swing state, specifically N.Carolina by 45 to 42:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/trump-grows-lead-in-nc-gop-leads-most-match-ups.html

    Also he beats Bush in a head to head race among republicans in the primary by 50-42 (there goes another theory).

    That comes on top of earlier news of a CNN poll that has Trump being the best republican candidate against Hillary and Bush among the worst.

    President Trump and Prime Minister Corbyn - bang goes the Special Relationship.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    @Owls Still not taken Harriet's ducking stool test yet btw.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Oil price: cuts could spark first walkouts 'in a generation'

    Votes are being counted which could result in helicopter pilots going on strike, while unrest grows among rig workers"

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/oil-price/60838/oil-price-cuts-could-spark-first-walkouts-in-a-generation
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    @Morris_Dancer Don't follow football much do you ;)
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited 2015 19
    Artist said:

    Cooper's tactic of basically saying nothing, so as not to annoy anybody may well have been successful if Corbyn had not come along. She would have got more of Kendall's votes when she dropped out and I'm not sure Burnham would have had a big enough lead in first preferences.

    Quite agree – the problem for the ABCs is that they failed to see the ground swell of Corbyn support that was building and then failed again to respond to it. Instead of uping their game, they behaved like rabbits caught in headlights - and attacked each other instead.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Comrade Corbyn appears to be getting his 'friends' confused.

    The man he claimed to have never heard of - was someone banned from entering Britain - and Comrade Corbyn unsuccessfully tried to challenge that decision.

    Happens to me everyday.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    Pulpstar said:

    @Owls Still not taken Harriet's ducking stool test yet btw.

    Really I understand all £3 except those who joined in final week should have had e mail link by close of play today.

    When did you join.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @Owls Still not taken Harriet's ducking stool test yet btw.

    Really I understand all £3 except those who joined in final week should have had e mail link by close of play today.

    When did you join.
    2:55 pm deadline day ;)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Owls, I know we were sat together at the Ilkley meet, but my ability to discern accents is horrendous. Are you from the north?

    Just curious, because I'm wondering if support (from the area) may vary according to which bit. Some northern areas tend to have city-identities, others are county-wide (for those fortunate enough to be born in Yorkshire).

    I missed Yorkshire by 3 miles.

    Derbyshire Lad
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    edited 2015 19
    Mr. Pulpstar, indeed not.

    Ah ha! Using my expert sleuthing [I typed 'football the owls' into Google] it reveals Sheffield.

    However, it's worth noting many people support teams that are nothing to do with their location. Eamon Holmes, for example, is not renowned for his thick Mancunian accent.

    Edited extra bit: terrible bad luck, Mr. Owls. Still, if you're good in this life you might get reincarnated a little further north.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited 2015 19
    Artist said:

    Cooper's tactic of basically saying nothing, so as not to annoy anybody may well have been successful if Corbyn had not come along. She would have got more of Kendall's votes when she dropped out and I'm not sure Burnham would have had a big enough lead in first preferences.

    But the question is whether "saying nothing" was a tactic for this leadership campaign, or whether it's just her usual modus operandi which would continue if she was leader. I suspect the latter.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    bigjohnowls said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Owls, I know we were sat together at the Ilkley meet, but my ability to discern accents is horrendous. Are you from the north?

    Just curious, because I'm wondering if support (from the area) may vary according to which bit. Some northern areas tend to have city-identities, others are county-wide (for those fortunate enough to be born in Yorkshire).

    I missed Yorkshire by 3 miles.

    Derbyshire Lad
    Eckington ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    Pulpstar said:

    bigjohnowls said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @Owls Still not taken Harriet's ducking stool test yet btw.

    Really I understand all £3 except those who joined in final week should have had e mail link by close of play today.

    When did you join.
    2:55 pm deadline day ;)
    Really couple of days for you Methinks unless your roots are found out.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,156
    @Speedy, @AndyJS

    Export of refined products is not banned, however. This means there is a cross Atlantic trade, with diesel going from the US to Europe, and gasoline/petrol going the other way.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,358
    logical_song said:

    Speedy said:

    2016 breaking news.

    Trump leads Hillary for the first time in a swing state, specifically N.Carolina by 45 to 42:

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/trump-grows-lead-in-nc-gop-leads-most-match-ups.html

    Also he beats Bush in a head to head race among republicans in the primary by 50-42 (there goes another theory).

    That comes on top of earlier news of a CNN poll that has Trump being the best republican candidate against Hillary and Bush among the worst.

    President Trump and Prime Minister Corbyn - bang goes the Special Relationship.
    Probably bang goes the UK - Trump, desperate not to have Caliph Corbyn use the United Islamic Kingdom State's Trident weapons against Israel, nukes us in a pre-emptive strike.

    He may not have paid attention and got the full story, but, hell, better safe than sorry.

    Oh, and sorry, Britain.
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    edited 2015 19
    Boosting Yvette makes Corbyn more likely. If Burnham goes down his toxic cargo of Corbyn second preferences is released. Only Burnham has a chance - albeit a small one - to beat Corbyn.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,640
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    My view is that that is the correct decision. She’s a much more substantial politician than Burnham and Corbyn.

    I totally agree, Team Burnham's nasty misogynistic attack on her the other night confirmed as much.

    Thatcher in her own words:

    The feminists hate me, don’t they? And I don’t blame them. For I hate feminism. It is poison.

    As quoted by Paul Johnson in "Failure of the Feminists", The Spectator, 12 March, 2011
  • flightpath01flightpath01 Posts: 4,903
    This must leave The Morning Star out on a limb.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited 2015 19
    Brent Crude goes below $47 and WTI $41:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/energy
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    edited 2015 19
    That article in the NS has a fairly major credibility problem, in the very first sentence:
    With its historical range and intellectual clarity, Gordon Brown’s speech on 16 August showed why he is one of Labour’s greatest sons.
    Its 'historical range' consisted of a rambling narrative of 'the story so far';

    Its 'intellectual clarity' was not noticeable in the parts I watched, which basically consisted of him saying how brilliant he was and how he never made a mistake and how he and he alone made Britain into the greatest country in the world before those evil Tories came in and turned it into a European Venezuela;

    If he is 'one of their greatest sons,' it goes an awfully long way towards explaining why they have always been very bad at winning elections - just five with a majority of over five, three of them under the same man.

    Their conclusion is probably still correct, but if Yvette Cooper is the best answer, there is something seriously wrong with the question.

    (With regard to the 'control by a husband/wife thing' I was reminded of this joke, particularly given that Samantha Cameron is thought to be behind Cameron's insistence on leaving politics before 2020:
    At the end of the age when all the believers were standing in line waiting to get into heaven, God appeared and said, "I want all the men to form two lines. One line will be for the men who were the true heads of their households. The other will be for the men who were dominated by their wives."

    God continued, "I want all the women to report to St. Peter."

    The women left and the men formed two lines. The line of men who were dominated by their wives was seemingly unending. The line of men who were the true head of their household had one man in it.

    God said to the first line, "You men ought to be ashamed or yourselves. I appointed you to be the heads of your households and you were disobedient and have not fulfilled your purpose. Of all of you, there is only one man who obeyed me. Learn from him."

    Then God turned to the lone man and asked, "How did you come to be in this line?"

    The man replied, "My wife told me to stand here.")
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,156
    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    The population growth rate for the UK is currently higher than China according to the CIA World Factbook.

    Growth rate 2015:

    China: 0.45%
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html
    UK: 0.54%
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/uk.html

    China's working age population peaks in 2017. In Beijing, the TFR is just 0.47.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,043
    Danny565 said:

    Artist said:

    Cooper's tactic of basically saying nothing, so as not to annoy anybody may well have been successful if Corbyn had not come along. She would have got more of Kendall's votes when she dropped out and I'm not sure Burnham would have had a big enough lead in first preferences.

    But the question is whether "saying nothing" was a tactic for this leadership campaign, or whether it's just her usual modus operandi which would continue if she was leader. I suspect the latter.
    Good point. I rate her more highly than Burnham, who seems a bit of a bumbler, but she's been practically invisible for years, and perhaps she's just unable to actually lead, rather than having been keeping her head down.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,640
    flightpath01 said:

    This must leave The Morning Star out on a limb.

    Not to mention the Sunil on Sunday :)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,773
    flightpath01 said:

    This must leave The Morning Star out on a limb.

    As with the Iraq War?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Dollar soaring against ruble:

    http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=RUB&view=12h
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    edited 2015 19
    Offtopic

    With oil plunging and interest rates likely to rise next year (Are they ?) isn't the FTSE in for a big correction possibly to sub 6000 as risk free return outstrips divis ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,130
    Boost for the Tories I say given the New Statesman backed Ed Miliband in 2010
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    HYUFD said:

    Boost for the Tories I say given the New Statesman backed Ed Miliband in 2010

    The entire campaign has been an unending boost for the Tories. They have been more massively boosted than a space shuttle being launched from Cape Canaveral.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,130
    ydoethur said:

    That article in the NS has a fairly major credibility problem, in the very first sentence:

    With its historical range and intellectual clarity, Gordon Brown’s speech on 16 August showed why he is one of Labour’s greatest sons.
    Its 'historical range' consisted of a rambling narrative of 'the story so far';

    Its 'intellectual clarity' was not noticeable in the parts I watched, which basically consisted of him saying how brilliant he was and how he never made a mistake and how he and he alone made Britain into the greatest country in the world before those evil Tories came in and turned it into a European Venezuela;

    If he is 'one of their greatest sons,' it goes an awfully long way towards explaining why they have always been very bad at winning elections - just five with a majority of over five, three of them under the same man.

    Their conclusion is probably still correct, but if Yvette Cooper is the best answer, there is something seriously wrong with the question.

    (With regard to the 'control by a husband/wife thing' I was reminded of this joke, particularly given that Samantha Cameron is thought to be behind Cameron's insistence on leaving politics before 2020:
    At the end of the age when all the believers were standing in line waiting to get into heaven, God appeared and said, "I want all the men to form two lines. One line will be for the men who were the true heads of their households. The other will be for the men who were dominated by their wives."

    God continued, "I want all the women to report to St. Peter."

    The women left and the men formed two lines. The line of men who were dominated by their wives was seemingly unending. The line of men who were the true head of their household had one man in it.

    God said to the first line, "You men ought to be ashamed or yourselves. I appointed you to be the heads of your households and you were disobedient and have not fulfilled your purpose. Of all of you, there is only one man who obeyed me. Learn from him."

    Then God turned to the lone man and asked, "How did you come to be in this line?"

    The man replied, "My wife told me to stand here.")
    Alternative unity candidate Margaret Beckett? After all she nominated Corbyn and was also Foreign Secretary under Blair?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T:

    What happened to Bagehot's Notebook? Hasn't been updated since June 2012.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    The Sun is going to have a field day with this one:

    http://www.wired.com/2015/08/happened-hackers-posted-stolen-ashley-madison-data/

    " One email in the data dump, for example, appears to belong to former UK Prime Minister (Tony Blair)."

    And another one is Bill Clinton's, not that you need any extra proof that he's cheating on Hillary.
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