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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    Scott_P said:

    Wow, Andy Burnham redefining tokenism in the modern Labour party,,,

    @MichaelPDeacon: Andy Burnham: "I will promote a front bench full of accents and diversity" #accents

    @MichaelPDeacon: Imagining Burnham looking round his first Labour Cabinet and barking, "Right. Cooper: you're doing Cornish. Hunt: Geordie"

    He'll need to bring in some outside talent:

    Shadow Chancellor: Janet Street-Porter (Rachel Reeves also a possibility)
    Shadow Foreign Secretary: The voice-over man from Big Brother
    Shadow Home Secretary: Pam Ayres
    Shadow Education Secretary: Joey Essex
    Shadow Health Secretary: Pete Burns
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,357
    edited June 2015

    Scott_P said:

    Wow, Andy Burnham redefining tokenism in the modern Labour party,,,

    @MichaelPDeacon: Andy Burnham: "I will promote a front bench full of accents and diversity" #accents

    @MichaelPDeacon: Imagining Burnham looking round his first Labour Cabinet and barking, "Right. Cooper: you're doing Cornish. Hunt: Geordie"

    He'll need to bring in some outside talent:

    Shadow Chancellor: Janet Street-Porter (Rachel Reeves also a possibility)
    Shadow Foreign Secretary: The voice-over man from Big Brother
    Shadow Home Secretary: Pam Ayres
    Shadow Education Secretary: Joey Essex
    Shadow Health Secretary: Pete Burns
    I will judge his diversity by whether there is anybody in the Shadow Cabinet who can tell the Kipper Tie gag....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    @Reuters: BREAKING: German government official says it is now too late for an extension of the Greek bailout programme.

    It's looking like a Fetta-complis.
    I can see it getting nasty. There's going to be people robbing banks with baklavas on....
    I hope not -let's hope they take the Parth-a-non violence instead.
    That depends how Spartan a life they are forced to lead.
    Indeed. Not easy to be a pillar of the community under those circumstances.

    @Reuters: BREAKING: German government official says it is now too late for an extension of the Greek bailout programme.

    It's looking like a Fetta-complis.
    I can see it getting nasty. There's going to be people robbing banks with baklavas on....
    I hope not -let's hope they take the Parth-a-non violence instead.
    That depends how Spartan a life they are forced to lead.
    Indeed. Not easy to be a pillar of the community under those circumstances.

    And even harder to be a colossus.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    ROFL

    @politicshome: Labour to end calls to reinstate 50p top rate of income tax http://t.co/V6yIxEyabT http://t.co/GHQWxs3Ake
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    felix said:

    @Reuters: BREAKING: German government official says it is now too late for an extension of the Greek bailout programme.

    It's looking like a Fetta-complis.
    Yes but Merkel has offered an olive branch.
    What a pitta it may be too late.

  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @williamglenn

    'Shadow Education Secretary: Joey Essex'

    Surely Joey Barton would be a better candidate?

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    felix said:

    @Reuters: BREAKING: German government official says it is now too late for an extension of the Greek bailout programme.

    It's looking like a Fetta-complis.
    Yes but Merkel has offered an olive branch.
    To some eurosceptics, final confirmation of Grexit will be moussaka to their ears.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    What a pitta it may be too late.

    Depends how hard they Troy
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    TOPPING said:

    The economic and fiscal case for Scottish independence is stone dead. It's not just the oil price, it's the huge deficit and it's the currency. The SNP has no credible answers. But it will lie and it will dissemble, for there is no misery the SNP would not inflict on Scotland's population in order to get the international frontier that is its only motivation. And the SNP could get what it wants. That's because the emotional case for independence is still alive and kicking. The Westminster parties, and Labour in particular, have failed utterly to counter it. Logically, you'd expect the SNP to run a mile from a new referendum. But it is setting the agenda so completely in Scotland that in reality the chances are it will call one and win. Legally, though, this will only be binding if Westminster agrees to it. That could be Scotland's salvation.

    forget the fiscal case for independence. It is irrelevant.

    There is only one case for independence and that is the "Braveheart" case.

    An independent Scotland will face all kinds of economic challenges but if it's what you want, you will put up with it all because you will have thrown off the oppressive yoke of your colonial masters.

    It is of course as you say the lying that is slightly irritating but you know what they say about omelettes and in the scheme of things (a strong, independent Scotland in a few dozen years), it really makes no odds.

    People who point to this projected deficit or that, are missing the point. As, I suppose, are those such as the SNP who say it doesn't matter for the people of Scotland today and their living conditions.
    But why did the 'Braveheart' case not appeal to the people of Scotland - as reflected in their voting behaviour - 50 years ago? Was this emotional pull to remove the oppressive yoke of colonial masters not there then?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    He'll need to bring in some outside talent:

    Shadow Chancellor: Janet Street-Porter (Rachel Reeves also a possibility)
    Shadow Foreign Secretary: The voice-over man from Big Brother
    Shadow Home Secretary: Pam Ayres
    Shadow Education Secretary: Joey Essex
    Shadow Health Secretary: Pete Burns

    DCMS: Bez
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Moses

    'Where are the ScotsNats today?

    A thread all of their own and not one to be seen? Who Have thunk it?'

    Hiding ,too embarrassed, Salmond's bullshit has been exposed for all to see.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,147

    felix said:

    @Reuters: BREAKING: German government official says it is now too late for an extension of the Greek bailout programme.

    It's looking like a Fetta-complis.
    Yes but Merkel has offered an olive branch.
    What a pitta it may be too late.

    Methinks maybe not with an Olympian effort.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231
    Scott_P said:

    What a pitta it may be too late.

    Depends how hard they Troy
    haha- excellent.

  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Williamglenn

    'The logic that led people to predict a deal at 11:59 tonight weeks ago could be proved right.'

    A deal will definitely happen,whether it's tonight or in the next week or so it will happen.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The German pedants have a unique opportunity tonight

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11706014/Clocks-to-read-115960-tonight-as-time-lords-add-leap-second.html
    Airlines, trading floors and technology companies are braced for chaos today as world timekeepers prepare to add a leap second to global clocks.

    Immediately before midnight dials will read 11:59:60 as clocks hold their breath for a second to allow the Earth’s rotation to catch up with atomic time.

    When the last leap second was added in 2012 Mozilla, Reddit, Foursquare, Yelp, LinkedIn, and StumbleUpon all reported crashes and there were problems with the Linux operating system and programmes written in Java.

    In Australia, more than 400 flights were grounded as the Qantas check-in system crashed.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Plato said:

    When the last leap second was added in 2012 Mozilla, Reddit, Foursquare, Yelp, LinkedIn, and StumbleUpon all reported crashes and there were problems with the Linux operating system and programmes written in Java.

    Jacob was wrong then...

    @JakeReesMogg: Worth remembering that voters did not get an "extra second" under either the coalition or "New" Labour.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    new thread

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    Scott_P said:

    What a pitta it may be too late.

    Depends how hard they Troy
    Now the benefits of Burnham's policy become clear. If our Kipper Tie man had a seat at the negotiations they'd Troy much harder.
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    john_zims said:

    @Moses

    'Where are the ScotsNats today?

    A thread all of their own and not one to be seen? Who Have thunk it?'

    Hiding ,too embarrassed, Salmond's bullshit has been exposed for all to see.

    If the pair of you actually spent a few minutes scanning through the comments before throwing out the insults, you would have seen a number of us have tried to comment but been shouted down as ever, I got bored at 11am and went and did something useful.

    You may have noticed that a number of the moderate Scottish posters have given up on PB.com, hopefully they'll return for Holyrood 2016.

    I think on matters Scotland, PB.com is at risk of becoming an echo chamber, as opposed to a forum for robust debate.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,871
    edited June 2015
    As malcomg was fond of pointing out, they give as good as they gets - I don't like the shouting approach from any side which is why I didn't bother contibuting after the early AM, but it is utterly absurd to imply such things flow from one direction. Utterly, utterly absurd. I wish things could be less fraught, I've unfortunately given in to anger and frustrationa few times myself, but either side pretending only the other engages in those sorts of actions helps no one.
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