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edited June 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Now a fifth contender, Jeremy Corbyn, declares that he’s running for LAB leader

Corbyn is going to have to get his skates on because nominations close a week on Monday and he’ll need 35 fellow MPs to support him just to get on the ballot.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    I formally propose dissolving the Tories for Burnham Group and now propose forming the Tories for Corbyn Group
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,504
    FPT:

    FIFA official Chuck Blazer has admitted taking bribes for the South African and French world cups.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/32998735
  • I formally propose dissolving the Tories for Burnham Group and now propose forming the Tories for Corbyn Group

    Was that formed out of DUEMA?
  • frpenkridgefrpenkridge Posts: 670
    The Feds finally close in on Blatter.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjzKiEs_pHI
  • FPT:
    FIFA official Chuck Blazer has admitted taking bribes for the South African and French world cups.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/32998735

    No wonder the French supported Blatter in the recent election.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    Good on him. If he gets 35, which i doubt, then the Labour left will not be able to say that their views were not discussed in the leaders debates.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    I formally propose dissolving the Tories for Burnham Group and now propose forming the Tories for Corbyn Group

    That's buggered it all up.
    So now who do I vote for with my £3 membership?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978

    I formally propose dissolving the Tories for Burnham Group and now propose forming the Tories for Corbyn Group

    Was that formed out of DUEMA?
    I was never a member of DUEMA, I was always saying, don't misunderestimate Ed Miliband
  • GeoffM said:

    I formally propose dissolving the Tories for Burnham Group and now propose forming the Tories for Corbyn Group

    That's buggered it all up.
    So now who do I vote for with my £3 membership?
    You have transferable votes.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,233
    Corbyn's second preferences will hurt Liz. And probably help Burnham.

    And I am still undecided, but would welcome a fifth name on the ballot.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Danny565 (Last Thread) Agree entirely, Kendall needs to start making a real impact in the polls before her 'electability' argument can really take off. As long as Burnham leads with Labour voters and all voters he remains the man to beat.

    (In 2005 I believe Cameron overtook Davis in the polls after his conference speech, but he had already slashed his lead after he had launched his campaign)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    GeoffM said:

    I formally propose dissolving the Tories for Burnham Group and now propose forming the Tories for Corbyn Group

    That's buggered it all up.
    So now who do I vote for with my £3 membership?
    The election is conducted under AV, so you can vote for them both.

    So give Corbyn your first preference, and Burnham your second pref.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    TCPB Yougov's final prediction had the Tories as largest party, they just failed to predict the late swing which would give them a majority
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    I’d like to see Jeremy Corbyn get the required 35 MPs – it would certainly stimulate the debate and shake the others out of the comfort zones. – alas, I think he will struggle to achieve it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    HYUFD said:

    Danny565 (Last Thread) Agree entirely, Kendall needs to start making a real impact in the polls before her 'electability' argument can really take off. As long as Burnham leads with Labour voters and all voters he remains the man to beat.

    (In 2005 I believe Cameron overtook Davis in the polls after his conference speech, but he had already slashed his lead after he had launched his campaign)

    Don't right off Yvette just yet.
  • HYUFD said:

    TCPB Yougov's final prediction had the Tories as largest party, they just failed to predict the late swing which would give them a majority

    My recollection is that Yougov's on the day poll of people after they voted was badly out. My guess would be down to very poor sampling.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Corbyn's second preferences will hurt Liz. And probably help Burnham.

    And I am still undecided, but would welcome a fifth name on the ballot.


    Karl Marx?

  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    edited June 2015
    Asked on last thread how my Lib Dem fact was useful - that being there is only one seat in common between their eight seats in 2015 and their twenty seats back in 1992, at which time they had seven in common with the Liberals' eleven in 1979.

    It illustrates that they struggle when the Tories are popular and that relatively small differences can matter for their parliamentary base. FPTP is harsh to parties that are unpopular when their main rivals are popular. It's happened to the Liberals for most of their history and to the Tories in 1997-2005. It also illustrates that the trade-off for challengers in FPTP is often between broad demographic support and local fortresses, each of which can only go so far. Ukip can be considered basically a more unfortunate version of the Lib Dems with more demographic support and fewer fortresses.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    FPT:

    FIFA official Chuck Blazer has admitted taking bribes for the South African and French world cups.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/32998735

    I'm so used to professions of innocence, that at first glance I read it as that he 'denies' bribe taking. What a preposterous idea.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    GeoffM said:

    I formally propose dissolving the Tories for Burnham Group and now propose forming the Tories for Corbyn Group

    That's buggered it all up.
    So now who do I vote for with my £3 membership?
    The election is conducted under AV, so you can vote for them both.

    So give Corbyn your first preference, and Burnham your second pref.
    If Corbyn gets on the ballot then Done!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Danny 565 October 2005 ICM poll here showing by that time Cameron did have a lead with all voters and Tories
    http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Politics/documents/2005/10/21/OctICMpoll.pdf
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: I love "veteran" left-winger. Translation: daft as a brush for decades.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    GeoffM said:

    GeoffM said:

    I formally propose dissolving the Tories for Burnham Group and now propose forming the Tories for Corbyn Group

    That's buggered it all up.
    So now who do I vote for with my £3 membership?
    The election is conducted under AV, so you can vote for them both.

    So give Corbyn your first preference, and Burnham your second pref.
    If Corbyn gets on the ballot then Done!
    How awesome is AV, the best electoral system out there.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Good news for no-hopers like Corbyn and Labour, a turnaround is possible, Leics CC have today won their first match since 2012. Essex must be dire!

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/32985881
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    This helps Andy Burnham with his electorate in the same way that UKIP's existence helped the Conservatives' image in the eyes of many voters. I still think that he's way too short at evens but he's less worse value than he was this morning.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    How awesome is AV, the best electoral system out there.

    Step away from the keyboard...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Corbyn's second preferences will hurt Liz. And probably help Burnham.

    And I am still undecided, but would welcome a fifth name on the ballot.


    Karl Marx?

    At the count I assisted at, I had a vote for the Labour candidate crop up with his name crossed out and Anuerin Bevin and Clement Attlee written in its place. Any in Labour particularly Bevin-esque or Attlee like? There's clearly at least one vote for them.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,714
    edited June 2015
    Labour must must must must must elect Jeremy Corbyn as leader. As the eulogies for Charles Kennedy have demonstrated, there's a great swathe of opinion that longs for a politician whose principles transcend electoral convenience and the race to the mushy centre. Corbyn would eat the likes of Farage and Salmond for breakfast as a man standing apart from the established order. He is a moral man. He offers Labour a new and distinctive direction.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    Scott_P said:

    How awesome is AV, the best electoral system out there.

    Step away from the keyboard...
    It was the electoral system that made Ed Lab leader.

    Plus, I'm doing a thread on AV for the weekend!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,504

    FPT:
    FIFA official Chuck Blazer has admitted taking bribes for the South African and French world cups.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/32998735

    No wonder the French supported Blatter in the recent election.
    I might be wrong, but the wording on the article indicates that he accepted bribes in conjunction with the choice of SA, whilst the other was for the 1998 world cup. I.e. it was for a country other than France, when France won.

    If that was the case, I wonder if they got their money back ;)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    edited June 2015
    There's going to be some upset and confused Kippers

    UKIP to march in London’s Pride parade for the first time

    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/06/03/ukip-to-march-in-londons-pride-parade-for-the-first-time/
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    FPT:
    FIFA official Chuck Blazer has admitted taking bribes for the South African and French world cups.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/32998735

    No wonder the French supported Blatter in the recent election.
    I might be wrong, but the wording on the article indicates that he accepted bribes in conjunction with the choice of SA, whilst the other was for the 1998 world cup. I.e. it was for a country other than France, when France won.

    If that was the case, I wonder if they got their money back ;)
    Did we bid for that one???
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Scott_P said:

    How awesome is AV, the best electoral system out there.

    Step away from the keyboard...
    It was the electoral system that made Ed Lab leader.

    Plus, I'm doing a thread on AV for the weekend!
    I'm not sure if you've mentioned that already.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    'Austerity' is just code for 'spend spend spend', spend money we do not have.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    ROFL
    None of Labour’s election day scenario planning involved the possibility of an overall Tory majority, leaving the deputy leader, Harriet Harman, without a script as she toured the television studios on the night of the party’s election defeat.

    Miliband’s confidence that he would become prime minister had been bolstered by a final private poll delivered to him a week before the election showing Labour two points ahead among the electorate in the 86 battleground seats and his own favourability ratings nearly matching David Cameron.

    Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair’s spin doctor, played an increasing role in the final weeks of the campaign.

    Miliband was so unhappy that he had failed to mention the deficit in his party conference speech he shut himself in his hotel room with his wife and a few close aides.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/03/ed-miliband-plan-david-cameron-general-election-polls-wrong
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    FPT:
    FIFA official Chuck Blazer has admitted taking bribes for the South African and French world cups.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/32998735

    No wonder the French supported Blatter in the recent election.
    I might be wrong, but the wording on the article indicates that he accepted bribes in conjunction with the choice of SA, whilst the other was for the 1998 world cup. I.e. it was for a country other than France, when France won.

    If that was the case, I wonder if they got their money back ;)
    Hey, if you want a single bribe to sway the outcome properly, you have to bribe the man at the top directly - and he can tell you how many other bribes are needed. Try to bribe a few here and there and you risk wasting your money, no one wants that.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    There's going to be some upset and confused Kippers

    UKIP to march in London’s Pride parade for the first time

    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/06/03/ukip-to-march-in-londons-pride-parade-for-the-first-time/

    No doubt that it will rain on their parade...
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243

    Labour must must must must must elect Jeremy Corbyn as leader. As the eulogies for Charles Kennedy have demonstrated, there's a great swathe of opinion that longs for a politician whose principles transcend electoral convenience and the race to the mushy centre. Corbyn would eat the likes of Farage and Salmond for breakfast as a man standing apart from the established order. He is a moral man. He offers Labour a new and distinctive direction.

    Your last sentence works for me.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Corbyn will do well to get half the necessary nominations. If he is loaned nominations to get on the ballot it will be a pretty empty gesture, as the failure to attract the required nominations on merit will demonstrate his lack of support, and so the other candidates won't have to take him seriously in the hustings.

    You can see in other parties and other countries the way in which minority political groups can organise to grow their influence over time, think of the R. Paul Presidential campaigns for example, but the Labour Left seems never to have recovered from the defeats of the 70s, 80s and 90s and is still in decline.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:

    How awesome is AV, the best electoral system out there.

    Step away from the keyboard...
    It was the electoral system that made Ed Lab leader.

    Plus, I'm doing a thread on AV for the weekend!
    I'm not sure if you've mentioned that already.
    We've been promised one before and been left wanting - the masses desiring an AV thread need reassuring.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Scott_P said:

    @JohnRentoul: I love "veteran" left-winger. Translation: daft as a brush for decades.

    It's bad news for Labour when MPs who kept their seat can't keep their seat.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    rottenborough True, but Cooper has the opposite problem to Kendall, she needs to start appealing to Tory and UKIP voters as much as Kendall needs to start appealing to Labour voters and Scotland
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:

    How awesome is AV, the best electoral system out there.

    Step away from the keyboard...
    It was the electoral system that made Ed Lab leader.

    Plus, I'm doing a thread on AV for the weekend!
    I'm not sure if you've mentioned that already.
    We've been promised one before and been left wanting - the masses desiring an AV thread need reassuring.
    I want an in/out referendum on the AV thread. With 16 yearolds allowed to vote.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough True, but Cooper has the opposite problem to Kendall, she needs to start appealing to Tory and UKIP voters as much as Kendall needs to start appealing to Labour voters and Scotland

    Not yet. At the moment all she need do is win an internal, party-wide ballot.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    edited June 2015
    SD Agree entirely, hopefully Labour will elect Jeremy Corbyn, the Tories will elect Jacob Rees-Mogg to succeed Cameron and the LDs will elect Farron, then we get a real ideological choice, no mushy centre there
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:

    How awesome is AV, the best electoral system out there.

    Step away from the keyboard...
    It was the electoral system that made Ed Lab leader.

    Plus, I'm doing a thread on AV for the weekend!
    I'm not sure if you've mentioned that already.
    We've been promised one before and been left wanting - the masses desiring an AV thread need reassuring.
    The first one was superseded by events.

    This new one is an up to date version.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    TCPB It had the Tories ahead, but without a majority
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,978
    I fully expect that Corbyn won't make it to the ballot paper, but would be great if he did, for democracy
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Antifrank Indeed, it gives him an 'other' to pitch himself against
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    HYUFD said:

    SD Agree entirely, hopefully Labour will elect Jeremy Corbyn, the Tories will elect Jacob Rees-Mogg to succeed Cameron and the LDs will elect Farron, then we get a real ideological choice, no mushy centre there

    Owen Paterson vs Corbyn is the dream ticket. LibDem majority nailed on!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JohnRentoul: That's torn it. @DAaronovitch has only gone & compared Liz Kendall to Thatcher http://t.co/KtvRMJCnYZ http://t.co/w5HB2pD3c0
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    kle4 said:

    GeoffM said:

    Scott_P said:

    How awesome is AV, the best electoral system out there.

    Step away from the keyboard...
    It was the electoral system that made Ed Lab leader.

    Plus, I'm doing a thread on AV for the weekend!
    I'm not sure if you've mentioned that already.
    We've been promised one before and been left wanting - the masses desiring an AV thread need reassuring.
    I want an in/out referendum on the AV thread. With 16 yearolds allowed to vote.
    So long as no EU citizens get to vote*.

    *including UK ones
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Scott_P said:

    ROFL

    None of Labour’s election day scenario planning involved the possibility of an overall Tory majority, leaving the deputy leader, Harriet Harman, without a script as she toured the television studios on the night of the party’s election defeat.

    Miliband’s confidence that he would become prime minister had been bolstered by a final private poll delivered to him a week before the election showing Labour two points ahead among the electorate in the 86 battleground seats and his own favourability ratings nearly matching David Cameron.

    Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair’s spin doctor, played an increasing role in the final weeks of the campaign.

    Miliband was so unhappy that he had failed to mention the deficit in his party conference speech he shut himself in his hotel room with his wife and a few close aides.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/03/ed-miliband-plan-david-cameron-general-election-polls-wrong

    You missed the best bits:

    "Miliband’s own former advisers believe, but do not know for sure, the 8ft-high stone slab that set out his election pledges has been destroyed as planned, as one of its creators, Torsten Henricson-Bell, has ordered."

    "the election result meant that Miliband never had the chance to make the offer, or relocate the 8ft high “Edstone” with its carved pledges to Downing Street.

    It was intended to be destroyed, but a previous attempt to break it up had to be called off when the media discovered the location of in a south London warehouse.

    Another plan for the stone to be broken up like the Berlin Wall, with the pieces sold for charity, was also rejected."

    I guess my idea for a unique kitchen worktop is now a non-starter.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Another random thought from my 'new' revisit of BBC election night...

    Just how many times does Peter Kellner say "a crumb of comfort for Labour"....

    The new "a terrible night for the Tory party" analysis.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    I don't know what the Left is drinking but we must surely only be moments away from Ken declaring himself a candidate for London Mayor again.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    kle4 said:

    FPT:
    FIFA official Chuck Blazer has admitted taking bribes for the South African and French world cups.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/32998735

    No wonder the French supported Blatter in the recent election.
    I might be wrong, but the wording on the article indicates that he accepted bribes in conjunction with the choice of SA, whilst the other was for the 1998 world cup. I.e. it was for a country other than France, when France won.

    If that was the case, I wonder if they got their money back ;)
    Hey, if you want a single bribe to sway the outcome properly, you have to bribe the man at the top directly - and he can tell you how many other bribes are needed. Try to bribe a few here and there and you risk wasting your money, no one wants that.
    Remember that the Blazer testimony unsealed today is three years old. Presumably the canary has kept on singing since then. The Feds will have a huge amount of evidence from him and the several other guilty pleas already. The investigation has been going for 4 years so far. It is branching out already.

    If they have to take FIFA apart brick by brick to get what they need, they will do it.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TOPPING said:

    I don't know what the Left is drinking but we must surely only be moments away from Ken declaring himself a candidate for London Mayor again.

    The guy he couldn't win against isn't standing...

    Go for it, Ken!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2015
    Jeremy Corbyn is auditioning for the role of Michael Foot.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    TOPPING said:

    I don't know what the Left is drinking but we must surely only be moments away from Ken declaring himself a candidate for London Mayor again.

    Yes, do it Ken! I don't care if he wins nomination or election - I don't live in London and have no wish to - but the idea that the same guy would run for Mayor 5 times in a row is just too great to miss.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    antifrank said:

    Scott_P said:

    ROFL

    None of Labour’s election day scenario planning involved the possibility of an overall Tory majority, leaving the deputy leader, Harriet Harman, without a script as she toured the television studios on the night of the party’s election defeat.

    Miliband’s confidence that he would become prime minister had been bolstered by a final private poll delivered to him a week before the election showing Labour two points ahead among the electorate in the 86 battleground seats and his own favourability ratings nearly matching David Cameron.

    Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair’s spin doctor, played an increasing role in the final weeks of the campaign.

    Miliband was so unhappy that he had failed to mention the deficit in his party conference speech he shut himself in his hotel room with his wife and a few close aides.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/03/ed-miliband-plan-david-cameron-general-election-polls-wrong
    You missed the best bits:

    "Miliband’s own former advisers believe, but do not know for sure, the 8ft-high stone slab that set out his election pledges has been destroyed as planned, as one of its creators, Torsten Henricson-Bell, has ordered."

    "the election result meant that Miliband never had the chance to make the offer, or relocate the 8ft high “Edstone” with its carved pledges to Downing Street.

    It was intended to be destroyed, but a previous attempt to break it up had to be called off when the media discovered the location of in a south London warehouse.

    Another plan for the stone to be broken up like the Berlin Wall, with the pieces sold for charity, was also rejected."

    I guess my idea for a unique kitchen worktop is now a non-starter.

    Or use the bits to make a footpath in a Jewish cemetery.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,417

    'Austerity' is just code for 'spend spend spend', spend money we do not have.

    Errm ?
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    antifrank said:

    Scott_P said:

    ROFL

    None of Labour’s election day scenario planning involved the possibility of an overall Tory majority, leaving the deputy leader, Harriet Harman, without a script as she toured the television studios on the night of the party’s election defeat.

    Miliband’s confidence that he would become prime minister had been bolstered by a final private poll delivered to him a week before the election showing Labour two points ahead among the electorate in the 86 battleground seats and his own favourability ratings nearly matching David Cameron.

    Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair’s spin doctor, played an increasing role in the final weeks of the campaign.

    Miliband was so unhappy that he had failed to mention the deficit in his party conference speech he shut himself in his hotel room with his wife and a few close aides.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/03/ed-miliband-plan-david-cameron-general-election-polls-wrong
    You missed the best bits:

    "Miliband’s own former advisers believe, but do not know for sure, the 8ft-high stone slab that set out his election pledges has been destroyed as planned, as one of its creators, Torsten Henricson-Bell, has ordered."

    "the election result meant that Miliband never had the chance to make the offer, or relocate the 8ft high “Edstone” with its carved pledges to Downing Street.

    It was intended to be destroyed, but a previous attempt to break it up had to be called off when the media discovered the location of in a south London warehouse.

    Another plan for the stone to be broken up like the Berlin Wall, with the pieces sold for charity, was also rejected."

    I guess my idea for a unique kitchen worktop is now a non-starter.
    Surely it needs casting into the Cracks of Doom of Amon Amarth.

    The best bit of all is that in the hours before the exit poll he sent a stern message to Shad Cab members strictly forbidding triumphalism.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Fox Indeed, an Owen Patterson v Corbyn election would see LD fortunes rise faster than Blatter's Swiss bank account
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    rottenborough Though she needs some good polling evidence to convince Labour members to vote for her in the first place
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    First LOL of the Day - brilliant :smiley:
    Scott_P said:

    @JohnRentoul: I love "veteran" left-winger. Translation: daft as a brush for decades.

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    O/T the NFL week 7 game in London between the Buffalo Bills and the Jacksonville Jaguars will be shown exclusively on Yahoo, for free. It will be shown on local TV in the Jacksonville and Buffalo markets.

    So now's your chance to watch a seriously below average game.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    Speedy said:

    Jeremy Corbyn is auditioning for the role of Michael Foot.

    He isn't worthy of such a role. Foot, for all his manifest faults, was a man of considerable intellectual prowess and political stature. Corbyn. Well. Not so much. Actually not at all.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,504
    edited June 2015

    FPT:
    FIFA official Chuck Blazer has admitted taking bribes for the South African and French world cups.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/32998735

    No wonder the French supported Blatter in the recent election.
    I might be wrong, but the wording on the article indicates that he accepted bribes in conjunction with the choice of SA, whilst the other was for the 1998 world cup. I.e. it was for a country other than France, when France won.

    If that was the case, I wonder if they got their money back ;)
    Did we bid for that one???
    According to this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_FIFA_World_Cup#Host_selection

    The final vote was between France and Morocco.

    Switzerland dropped out fairly late in the game, whilst England dropped out much earlier to concentrate on Euro 96. Germany also withdrew.

    What surprised me from another list is that we've only ever officially bid four times.

    Edit: According to the Guardian, the bribe for the 1998 world cup was arranged in 1992! Therefore it could be any of the above (or possibly a.n.other).

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2015/jun/03/sepp-blatter-reports-fifa-president-us-corruption-probe-live
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Labour needs to expand it's message to new professions, like lower management finance and banking who are in an urgent need to form a union and strike due to appalling working conditions:

    http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/131760/how-banking-can-ruin-your-body-and-mind/

    " In the first 1-3 years of a banking career, Michel discovered that bankers tend to repress their bodies. During this period, they work hard regardless of exhaustion/broken legs/eating disorders/alopecia and do whatever is required to get the job done. Michel came across one female banker in this phase who had fallen and broken her leg in two places on the way to a meeting. Although it changed colour and was painful, the banker ignored the symptoms until her meeting was over."

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204062704577223623824944472

    " The 100-hour workweek, these ironmen and ironwomen tell themselves, is just the opening ante in a high-stakes game.

    But investment bankers, salespeople and traders are only human. Under the immense stress of their jobs, many suffer personal and emotional problems that escalate into full-blown crises, with some bankers developing conditions that linger long after they have left the industry."


    Some in finance can get very rich very quickly, however most of them will be dead by the age of 40 due to their working conditions.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Plato said:

    First LOL of the Day - brilliant :smiley:

    Scott_P said:

    @JohnRentoul: I love "veteran" left-winger. Translation: daft as a brush for decades.

    Other translation: does not learn from experience.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Fox Indeed, an Owen Patterson v Corbyn election would see LD fortunes rise faster than Blatter's Swiss bank account

    Under one condition though, that Lamb is not LD leader.
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Scott_P said:

    ROFL

    None of Labour’s election day scenario planning involved the possibility of an overall Tory majority, leaving the deputy leader, Harriet Harman, without a script as she toured the television studios on the night of the party’s election defeat.

    Miliband’s confidence that he would become prime minister had been bolstered by a final private poll delivered to him a week before the election showing Labour two points ahead among the electorate in the 86 battleground seats and his own favourability ratings nearly matching David Cameron.

    Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair’s spin doctor, played an increasing role in the final weeks of the campaign.

    Miliband was so unhappy that he had failed to mention the deficit in his party conference speech he shut himself in his hotel room with his wife and a few close aides.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/03/ed-miliband-plan-david-cameron-general-election-polls-wrong
    The really telling bit is where they say they did not re-engage with defeated independence supporters. Labour handled all that very very badly.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited June 2015
    Islington North CLP nominate Tessa and Sadiq. Big fail for Diane.
    Tottenham CLP have nominated Tessa Jowell and David Lammy
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I vividly recall Hattie being poleaxed as the results came in. She was like a goldfish.
    Scott_P said:

    ROFL

    None of Labour’s election day scenario planning involved the possibility of an overall Tory majority, leaving the deputy leader, Harriet Harman, without a script as she toured the television studios on the night of the party’s election defeat.

    Miliband’s confidence that he would become prime minister had been bolstered by a final private poll delivered to him a week before the election showing Labour two points ahead among the electorate in the 86 battleground seats and his own favourability ratings nearly matching David Cameron.

    Alastair Campbell, Tony Blair’s spin doctor, played an increasing role in the final weeks of the campaign.

    Miliband was so unhappy that he had failed to mention the deficit in his party conference speech he shut himself in his hotel room with his wife and a few close aides.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/03/ed-miliband-plan-david-cameron-general-election-polls-wrong

  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    edited June 2015

    Islington North CLP nominate Tessa and Sadiq. Big fail for Diane.

    Tessa Jowell & Gareth Thomas at Harrow West - latter may still make the ballot (worse luck)

    Not a good time for Lammy.

    Pretty sure Abbott is now on 5 anyway.

    Ilford north #1 is Jowell.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    I missed her 5th

    Hackney North
    Lewisham Deptford
    Dagenham
    Leyton

    and ?

    Islington North CLP nominate Tessa and Sadiq. Big fail for Diane.

    Tess aJowell & Gareth Thomas at Harrow West - latter may still make the ballot (worse luck)

    Not a good time for Lammy.

    Pretty sure Abbott is now on 5 anyway.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Speedy Depends if he is seen as dull but safe, which given the two fanatics either side of him may be enough
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    @Speedy

    Labour needs to expand it's (sic) message to new professions

    Do you not think that Labour's message is part of their problem?

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    That old hairy mammoth, Corbyn, tosses his worn out lefty tusks into the ring.
    With potential leaders like this, Labour is doomed. Doomed; I tell ya!
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    I missed her 5th

    Hackney North
    Lewisham Deptford
    Dagenham
    Leyton

    and ?

    Islington North CLP nominate Tessa and Sadiq. Big fail for Diane.

    Tess aJowell & Gareth Thomas at Harrow West - latter may still make the ballot (worse luck)

    Not a good time for Lammy.

    Pretty sure Abbott is now on 5 anyway.
    Me too - there was a tweet clearly saying she was up to five. I'll see if I can find it.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Tim_B said:

    @Speedy

    Labour needs to expand it's (sic) message to new professions

    Do you not think that Labour's message is part of their problem?

    Giving the appalling working conditions in the finance sector it would do no harm for Labour to propose a max. 48 hrs week for financial workers for instance.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited June 2015
    Panorama at its best this evening....when will the BBC realise that 30 min Panorama is rubbish, but when they put the time in and put together these hour programmes, they are top notch stuff.

    Lots and lots of questions to answer for some very well known people in athletics.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2015
    MikeK said:

    That old hairy mammoth, Corbyn, tosses his worn out lefty tusks into the ring.
    With potential leaders like this, Labour is doomed. Doomed; I tell ya!

    Of course they are not doomed, unless you really think he's got a chance to win the leadership.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    @Speedy

    Labour needs to expand it's (sic) message to new professions

    Do you not think that Labour's message is part of their problem?

    Giving the appalling working conditions in the finance sector it would do no harm for Labour to propose a max. 48 hrs week for financial workers for instance.
    Who would enforce it?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2015
    Interesting scoop by Panorama tonight on doping. One of Mo Farah's former coaches is accused by the programme.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    @Speedy

    Labour needs to expand it's (sic) message to new professions

    Do you not think that Labour's message is part of their problem?

    Giving the appalling working conditions in the finance sector it would do no harm for Labour to propose a max. 48 hrs week for financial workers for instance.
    Are they subject to the working time directive?
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Corbyn? Be interesting to see if Len swings behind. He calls the shots after all, as he very clearly pointed out recently "it's their party"
  • Panorama at its best this evening....when will the BBC realise that 30 min Panorama is rubbish, but when they put the time in and put together these hour programmes, they are top notch stuff.

    Lots and lots of questions to answer for some very well known people in athletics.

    agreed.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    philiph said:

    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    @Speedy

    Labour needs to expand it's (sic) message to new professions

    Do you not think that Labour's message is part of their problem?

    Giving the appalling working conditions in the finance sector it would do no harm for Labour to propose a max. 48 hrs week for financial workers for instance.
    Are they subject to the working time directive?

    All opted out as a term of their employment.

    Same for city lawyers.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy Depends if he is seen as dull but safe, which given the two fanatics either side of him may be enough

    Norman Lamb is the Michael Foot version of the LD.
    He's boring, old, stale, supported by the last bastions of the really old guard and with the most limited potential to draw voters.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    Speedy said:

    Labour needs to expand it's message to new professions, like lower management finance and banking who are in an urgent need to form a union and strike due to appalling working conditions:

    http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/131760/how-banking-can-ruin-your-body-and-mind/

    " In the first 1-3 years of a banking career, Michel discovered that bankers tend to repress their bodies. During this period, they work hard regardless of exhaustion/broken legs/eating disorders/alopecia and do whatever is required to get the job done. Michel came across one female banker in this phase who had fallen and broken her leg in two places on the way to a meeting. Although it changed colour and was painful, the banker ignored the symptoms until her meeting was over."

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204062704577223623824944472

    " The 100-hour workweek, these ironmen and ironwomen tell themselves, is just the opening ante in a high-stakes game.

    But investment bankers, salespeople and traders are only human. Under the immense stress of their jobs, many suffer personal and emotional problems that escalate into full-blown crises, with some bankers developing conditions that linger long after they have left the industry."


    Some in finance can get very rich very quickly, however most of them will be dead by the age of 40 due to their working conditions.

    "A University of Southern California researcher found insomnia, alcoholism, heart palpitations, eating disorders and an explosive temper in some of the roughly two dozen entry-level..."

    ...Sounds like political betting.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited June 2015
    Speedy said:

    MikeK said:

    That old hairy mammoth, Corbyn, tosses his worn out lefty tusks into the ring.
    With potential leaders like this, Labour is doomed. Doomed; I tell ya!

    Of course they are not doomed, unless you really think he's got a chance to win the leadership.
    I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the unions get their MPs to back Corbyn. With that backing he'll get 35 MP's easily for a nomination. After that a good PR campaign with he Labour membership, and bobs your uncle, fannies your aunt and we can all settle down to fun and games.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    @Speedy

    Labour needs to expand it's (sic) message to new professions

    Do you not think that Labour's message is part of their problem?

    Giving the appalling working conditions in the finance sector it would do no harm for Labour to propose a max. 48 hrs week for financial workers for instance.
    I'll take that as a NO.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I can honestly say that I've no idea what Norman Lamb even looks like - if I saw him on the telly, I'd probably need a caption.

    That even I couldn't pick him out of crowd despite all the mentions he gets on here speaks volumes. He's a complete non-entity impact wise.
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy Depends if he is seen as dull but safe, which given the two fanatics either side of him may be enough

    Norman Lamb is the Michael Foot version of the LD.
    He's boring, old, stale, supported by the last bastions of the really old guard and with the most limited potential to draw voters.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    philiph said:

    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    @Speedy

    Labour needs to expand it's (sic) message to new professions

    Do you not think that Labour's message is part of their problem?

    Giving the appalling working conditions in the finance sector it would do no harm for Labour to propose a max. 48 hrs week for financial workers for instance.
    Are they subject to the working time directive?

    All opted out as a term of their employment.

    Same for city lawyers.
    They are entitled to opt back in at any time.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2015
    philiph said:

    Speedy said:

    Tim_B said:

    @Speedy

    Labour needs to expand it's (sic) message to new professions

    Do you not think that Labour's message is part of their problem?

    Giving the appalling working conditions in the finance sector it would do no harm for Labour to propose a max. 48 hrs week for financial workers for instance.
    Are they subject to the working time directive?
    They utilize the loopholes to avoid the the max. time allowed by the directive.
    As a result it's 90-100 hours a week instead of 48.
    That among others is why the average life expectancy of a finance worker is less than 50.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Tofu tampering? I hate those adverts.
    AndyJS said:

    Interesting scoop by Panorama tonight on doping. One of Mo Farah's former coaches is accused by the programme.

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Nick Sutton ‏@suttonnick ·
    Thursday's Guardian front page:
    Labour’s shattered dream

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    edited June 2015
    Speedy But even Lamb could beat Owen Patterson and Jeremy Corbyn
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/03/undoing-of-ed-miliband-and-how-labour-lost-election

    Top read from the Guardian featuring David Axelrod's version of free owls:
    - Axelrod was appalled by the low quality of the ideas being discussed, which he derisively characterised as “Vote Labour and win a microwave”.
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