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  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Call me stupid, but that Andy Burnham tweet doesn't scream left-wing or right-wing... it screams more EdM continuity than anything else. Was that Paul Richards' tae or am I missing something?

    (Lucky they didn't put the trade union on fourth, given the acrostic...)
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    SeanT said:


    They are Tartan Teflon.

    This will change when the SNP get serious tax raising powers, as will happen soon. I suspect that only then will their facade of awesomeness start to crack.

    The current education fiasco has taken some of the shine off already
    You should have a look at the latest YouGov. Education breakdown is very revealing for this Loyalist straw man.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    Dair said:

    They have no interest in power.

    The SNP leadership are obsessed by power, and those who they think have it.

    @AgentP22: SNP refuse to release fawning letters to Rupert Murdoch and Brian Souter

    No point in having FOI if you can refuse it http://t.co/f14zZCiGEq
    Thanks for backing up my point. Even if you don't realise you're doing it.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713

    Call me stupid, but that Andy Burnham tweet doesn't scream left-wing or right-wing... it screams more EdM continuity than anything else. Was that Paul Richards' tae or am I missing something?

    (Lucky they didn't put the trade union on fourth, given the acrostic...)

    He's clever. He's positioning himself so he's in a good position to win a 'least unpopular' AV run-off.
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106

    TOPPING said:

    The UK has a constitution ?

    Can you provide a link to it please.

    Couldn't resist.
    according to Tony
    Rereading Blair's 1999 conference speech I think he must have the record for the fastest descent into madness for any PM.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/460009.stm

    "To every nation a purpose.

    To every Party a cause.

    And now, at last, Party and nation joined in the same cause for the same purpose: to set our people free."

    It also contains the prophetic line, "Maybe they think I should be indicted for war crimes."
    Is you're so clever tell is why bin ladin attacked the USA when its leader was not remotely interested in the middle east? Why was it plotted under the regime of Bill Clinton who did not care less about bin ladin?
    Because the US has been historically the biggest backer of Israel, and this was also true under Bill Clinton.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670


    Secondly, we have the case of the unpublished poll. Shortly before the election one company ran a poll which resulted in numbers remarkably close to the final outcome. However, they did not publish it because "it didn't feel right" - that is to say it did not fit with the herd.

    The solution to that is an All Trials approach. If you want to publish the results of a poll you have to register that you are doing it first. That way polls can't go "missing" nor can you do half a dozen comfort polls and only publish the favourable ones.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,328

    There seems to be an assumption that the LD’s won’t recover. I don’t think that’s necessarily true, since the anti-Civil Liberties attitude of the Conservative Government will cause some concerns in the Party

    Why would anyone who is committed to the liberty of the subject vote for the Liberal Democrats? The party voted for the Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act 2011 (control orders-lite), and then for control orders proper (Counter-Terrorism and Security Act 2015, Part 2). It also supported the introduction of closed material procedures into all civil proceedings bar inquests (Justice and Security Act 2013), and increases in the state's power to intercept communications (Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014). To top it all off, they voted to give the executive a power of exile enforceable by criminal penalties, for restrictions on free speech in the universities, and for Orwellian "panels" to assess individuals' vulnerability to being drawn into terrorism (2015 Act, Chapter 2 of Part 1, and Part 5). No one in their right mind who is committed to individual liberty could ever vote Lib Dem. At least the Tories and Labour do not pretend to be in favour of civil liberties.
    Thats right ... Do nothing as loony terrorists plot to blow us up. Better still do nothing as mad religious terrorists blow up and behead all sorts of other people all over the world. Do nothing do nothing do nothing except witter contemptuously and fatuously quote clause numbers of acts of parliament.
    Only tangentially related but only two issues have struck me in the last week (I've been v busy on work and other matters):-

    1. IS apparently capturing the port at Sirte on the Libyan coast - only a few hours away from the Italian mainland and, obviously, making it much easier for them to import/export arms/people etc.
    2. The US Defence Secretary talking about UK's weakening defence role this morning.

    How the Western world deals with IS seems to me to be one of the key issues of the next few years and yet there seems to be no strategy whatsoever, or none that appears to be working, anyway.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    Cyclefree said:

    There seems to be an assumption that the LD’s won’t recover. I don’t think that’s necessarily true, since the anti-Civil Liberties attitude of the Conservative Government will cause some concerns in the Party

    Why would anyone who is committed to the liberty of the subject vote for the Liberal Democrats? The party voted for the Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act 2011 (control orders-lite), and then for control orders proper (Counter-Terrorism and Security Act 2015, Part 2). It also supported the introduction of closed material procedures into all civil proceedings bar inquests (Justice and Security Act 2013), and increases in the state's power to intercept communications (Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014). To top it all off, they voted to give the executive a power of exile enforceable by criminal penalties, for restrictions on free speech in the universities, and for Orwellian "panels" to assess individuals' vulnerability to being drawn into terrorism (2015 Act, Chapter 2 of Part 1, and Part 5). No one in their right mind who is committed to individual liberty could ever vote Lib Dem. At least the Tories and Labour do not pretend to be in favour of civil liberties.
    Thats right ... Do nothing as loony terrorists plot to blow us up. Better still do nothing as mad religious terrorists blow up and behead all sorts of other people all over the world. Do nothing do nothing do nothing except witter contemptuously and fatuously quote clause numbers of acts of parliament.
    Only tangentially related but only two issues have struck me in the last week (I've been v busy on work and other matters):-

    1. IS apparently capturing the port at Sirte on the Libyan coast - only a few hours away from the Italian mainland and, obviously, making it much easier for them to import/export arms/people etc.
    2. The US Defence Secretary talking about UK's weakening defence role this morning.

    How the Western world deals with IS seems to me to be one of the key issues of the next few years and yet there seems to be no strategy whatsoever, or none that appears to be working, anyway.

    Whoever it was from the Green Party speaking inordinately good sense on the wireless just now...

    "not x% of GDP but we need to perform a strategic review, to decide what and who we want to be in the world and then work out how much it will cost, which could be more or less than 2%."

    OK I don't agree with the Green Party's trident position, etc, but it seems an entirely reasonable approach.

    Green Party defence spokesman, Rachel Johnson, was it? (oh how glorious that would be...)
  • FlightpathlFlightpathl Posts: 1,243
    Disraeli said:

    TOPPING said:

    The UK has a constitution ?

    Can you provide a link to it please.

    Couldn't resist.
    according to Tony
    Rereading Blair's 1999 conference speech I think he must have the record for the fastest descent into madness for any PM.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/460009.stm

    "To every nation a purpose.

    To every Party a cause.

    And now, at last, Party and nation joined in the same cause for the same purpose: to set our people free."

    It also contains the prophetic line, "Maybe they think I should be indicted for war crimes."
    Is you're so clever tell is why bin ladin attacked the USA when its leader was not remotely interested in the middle east? Why was it plotted under the regime of Bill Clinton who did not care less about bin ladin?
    Because the US has been historically the biggest backer of Israel, and this was also true under Bill Clinton.
    You really believe that?
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