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edited April 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Stand by for this morning seat polling from Lord Ashcroft

I’m on Radio 4’s Today programme this morning followed by a breakfast briefing on the election so won’t be in a position to report and post on the latest round of Ashcroft seat polling.

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  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    First!
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    Third!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    Seriously - he used to lecture in Economics?
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    What was the context. Give a link please.

  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    That's actually an awesome economics puzzle. There's a school of thought that says shareholders are better off if you just let the value of the company grow, a la Steve Jobs, and let them extract value from it on their own schedule by selling stock. Then there are a bunch of theories trying to explain investors' apparently irrational preference for dividends, one being that they keep them in a different conceptual box from the value of the stock.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    That's actually an awesome economics puzzle. There's a school of thought that says shareholders are better off if you just let the value of the company grow, a la Steve Jobs, and let them extract value from it on their own schedule by selling stock. Then there are a bunch of theories trying to explain investors' apparently irrational preference for dividends, one being that they keep them in a different conceptual box from the value of the stock.
    edmund, I thought there was different thoughts depending on the industry too. For example, utilities serving essentially mature and saturated markets are expected to pay dividends as they are no or slow growth companies, whereas at the other end of the spectrum, tech companies are expected to reinvest profits rather than distribute them through dividends as their growth potential is greater than other investment options.
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited April 2015

    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    What was the context. Give a link please.

    http://order-order.com/2015/04/13/blue-un-ft-likely-to-endorse-cameron
    Wikipedia:
    Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Corpus Christi College.
    London School of Economics with a Master of Science in Economics.
    Visiting scholar at the Centre for European Studies of Harvard University for two semesters. He spent his time at Harvard teaching economics, and stayed there after September 2003 for an additional semester teaching a course titled "What's Left? The Politics of Social Justice".
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    " one head of a FTSE 100 company recently given facetime with Miliband was reportedly stunned into silence when Ed asked him “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”"

    So, unsourced quote, with no names of people involved. Yep, sounds totally legit to me.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Indigo said:

    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    What was the context. Give a link please.

    http://order-order.com/2015/04/13/blue-un-ft-likely-to-endorse-cameron
    Wikipedia:
    Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Corpus Christi College.
    London School of Economics with a Master of Science in Economics.
    Visiting scholar at the Centre for European Studies of Harvard University for two semesters. He spent his time at Harvard teaching economics, and stayed there after September 2003 for an additional semester teaching a course titled "What's Left? The Politics of Social Justice".
    Unfortunately Guido doesn't provide any context there either...
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    MTimT said:

    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    That's actually an awesome economics puzzle. There's a school of thought that says shareholders are better off if you just let the value of the company grow, a la Steve Jobs, and let them extract value from it on their own schedule by selling stock. Then there are a bunch of theories trying to explain investors' apparently irrational preference for dividends, one being that they keep them in a different conceptual box from the value of the stock.
    edmund, I thought there was different thoughts depending on the industry too. For example, utilities serving essentially mature and saturated markets are expected to pay dividends as they are no or slow growth companies, whereas at the other end of the spectrum, tech companies are expected to reinvest profits rather than distribute them through dividends as their growth potential is greater than other investment options.
    The argument is that the former should do buybacks instead. Not sure if this applies to UK-taxed companies or not.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/baldwin/2012/03/19/steve-jobs-wouldnt-have-paid-a-dividend-3/
  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    edited April 2015

    " one head of a FTSE 100 company recently given facetime with Miliband was reportedly stunned into silence when Ed asked him “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”"

    So, unsourced quote, with no names of people involved. Yep, sounds totally legit to me.

    You can call him a liar if you want, I'll pass on that. The same quote is

    http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/1342353/can-miliband-convince-voters-trust-economy/

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9494602/ed-miliband-could-still-win-heres-what-would-happen-next/
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    3 hours 3 minutes 3 seconds
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    3 hours 3 minutes 3 seconds

    Awaiting with great anticipation
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    edited April 2015
    Indigo said:

    " one head of a FTSE 100 company recently given facetime with Miliband was reportedly stunned into silence when Ed asked him “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”"

    So, unsourced quote, with no names of people involved. Yep, sounds totally legit to me.

    You can call him a liar if you want, I'll pass on that. The same quote is

    http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/1342353/can-miliband-convince-voters-trust-economy/

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9494602/ed-miliband-could-still-win-heres-what-would-happen-next/
    Tell him what ever you like, but tell him that quotes need attribution and names if they are to be taken seriously. I have no idea if he's a liar or not (who ever "he" is, you don't make that clear either) ;but it's not a properly sourced quote so it must be taken with a serious pinch of salt.

    The Management today article you linked to, just references the Spectator article by Dan Hodges you also quoted. The order order article had no attribution at all.

    So what we had is, "Dan Hodges said someone told him that someone else said........"

    Do you really think this is good journalistic standards, hearsay from an unnamed source, at an unnamed time
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    3 hours 3 minutes 3 seconds

    Awaiting with great anticipation
    Millions of PBers and news junkies will be furiously pressing F5 at 9:00am .... and one or two will be on PB at the time. :smile:

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    OGH on R4......
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Indigo said:

    " one head of a FTSE 100 company recently given facetime with Miliband was reportedly stunned into silence when Ed asked him “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”"

    So, unsourced quote, with no names of people involved. Yep, sounds totally legit to me.

    You can call him a liar if you want, I'll pass on that. The same quote is

    http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/1342353/can-miliband-convince-voters-trust-economy/

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9494602/ed-miliband-could-still-win-heres-what-would-happen-next/
    Do you really think this is good journalistic standards, hearsay from an unnamed source, at an unnamed time
    Do you really think that a FTSE100 head is going to go on the record with a quote like that about someone who could be PM in 4 weeks?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    OGH on R4......

    Are Radio 4 now taking ads for the "Belgravia Hair Centre" ?

  • IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966

    Do you really think this is good journalistic standards, hearsay from an unnamed source, at an unnamed time

    No, its piss poor journalistic standards, but its what we have. I notice people get much more particular about journalistic standards when it runs against people they support, but are all together more relaxed about it when it is supportive of their own preference, funny that.

  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    Indigo said:

    Do you really think this is good journalistic standards, hearsay from an unnamed source, at an unnamed time

    No, its piss poor journalistic standards, but its what we have. I notice people get much more particular about journalistic standards when it runs against people they support, but are all together more relaxed about it when it is supportive of their own preference, funny that.

    I'm not a Labour supporter by any stretch of the imagination, with the exception of my Betfair account, the result of the election is of zero consequence to me. i haven't lived in the UK for a decade.

    I'd have questioned it the other way around as well

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    3 hours 3 minutes 3 seconds

    Awaiting with great anticipation
    Millions of PBers and news junkies will be furiously pressing F5 at 9:00am .... and one or two will be on PB at the time. :smile:

    Unfortunately, I may fall asleep prior to the glorious moment. I'll be sure to relive it by reviewing the PB archives in the morning!
  • asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276

    Indigo said:

    " one head of a FTSE 100 company recently given facetime with Miliband was reportedly stunned into silence when Ed asked him “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”"

    So, unsourced quote, with no names of people involved. Yep, sounds totally legit to me.

    You can call him a liar if you want, I'll pass on that. The same quote is

    http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/1342353/can-miliband-convince-voters-trust-economy/

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9494602/ed-miliband-could-still-win-heres-what-would-happen-next/
    Do you really think this is good journalistic standards, hearsay from an unnamed source, at an unnamed time
    Do you really think that a FTSE100 head is going to go on the record with a quote like that about someone who could be PM in 4 weeks?
    No, but that's no reason to take it seriously either. You can start from a presumption of truth with un-sourced quotes.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    JackW said:

    OGH on R4......

    Are Radio 4 now taking ads for the "Belgravia Hair Centre" ?

    Older men pulling their hair out over polling may well be reassured that this may actually be the right thing to do:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3032255/At-cure-baldness-Scientists-discover-regrow-hair-long-prepared-pull-first.html

    I hope that your ARSE has recovered from your curry.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043

    OGH on R4......

    Is it on Today?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    3 hours 3 minutes 3 seconds

    Awaiting with great anticipation
    Millions of PBers and news junkies will be furiously pressing F5 at 9:00am .... and one or two will be on PB at the time. :smile:

    Unfortunately, I may fall asleep prior to the glorious moment. I'll be sure to relive it by reviewing the PB archives in the morning!
    Might I pull you in the direction of an alarm clock to avoid devastating disappointment.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Indigo said:

    " one head of a FTSE 100 company recently given facetime with Miliband was reportedly stunned into silence when Ed asked him “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”"

    So, unsourced quote, with no names of people involved. Yep, sounds totally legit to me.

    You can call him a liar if you want, I'll pass on that. The same quote is

    http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/1342353/can-miliband-convince-voters-trust-economy/

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9494602/ed-miliband-could-still-win-heres-what-would-happen-next/
    Tell him what ever you like, but tell him that quotes need attribution and names if they are to be taken seriously. I have no idea if he's a liar or not (who ever "he" is, you don't make that clear either) ;but it's not a properly sourced quote so it must be taken with a serious pinch of salt.

    The Management today article you linked to, just references the Spectator article by Dan Hodges you also quoted. The order order article had no attribution at all.

    So what we had is, "Dan Hodges said someone told him that someone else said........"

    Do you really think this is good journalistic standards, hearsay from an unnamed source, at an unnamed time
    Dan Hodges is a bitter, twisted man who could not become the LOTO Office CEO because David Miliband lost. He cannot forgive Ed.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043

    JackW said:

    OGH on R4......

    Are Radio 4 now taking ads for the "Belgravia Hair Centre" ?

    Older men pulling their hair out over polling may well be reassured that this may actually be the right thing to do:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3032255/At-cure-baldness-Scientists-discover-regrow-hair-long-prepared-pull-first.html

    I hope that your ARSE has recovered from your curry.
    One hopes the old Jacobite has increased his BRAN intake.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,485

    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    That's actually an awesome economics puzzle. There's a school of thought that says shareholders are better off if you just let the value of the company grow, a la Steve Jobs, and let them extract value from it on their own schedule by selling stock. Then there are a bunch of theories trying to explain investors' apparently irrational preference for dividends, one being that they keep them in a different conceptual box from the value of the stock.
    I am not an economist (tm), (thank god), but don't dividends allow big investors extract value from successful companies without damaging their long-term shareholding .I would have guessed that that is quite important to long-term investors such as pension funds?

    For a long-term investor, if you sell shares, you may have to buy them back later, and if the target company is successful that will probably be at a higher price.

    And the Apple-clause should be invoked: few companies are as successful as Apple, and they are very atypical.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2015

    MTimT said:

    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    That's actually an awesome economics puzzle. There's a school of thought that says shareholders are better off if you just let the value of the company grow, a la Steve Jobs, and let them extract value from it on their own schedule by selling stock. Then there are a bunch of theories trying to explain investors' apparently irrational preference for dividends, one being that they keep them in a different conceptual box from the value of the stock.
    edmund, I thought there was different thoughts depending on the industry too. For example, utilities serving essentially mature and saturated markets are expected to pay dividends as they are no or slow growth companies, whereas at the other end of the spectrum, tech companies are expected to reinvest profits rather than distribute them through dividends as their growth potential is greater than other investment options.
    The argument is that the former should do buybacks instead. Not sure if this applies to UK-taxed companies or not.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/baldwin/2012/03/19/steve-jobs-wouldnt-have-paid-a-dividend-3/
    The advantage of dividends is that the money has to be there for it to be paid out. There are many ways to create paper assets on balance sheets to make a company look as if it is doing well, but dividends are hard cash. Share buybacks are mostly ways for executives to benefit from share options.

    I rarely buy shares that pay no dividends.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    3 hours 3 minutes 3 seconds

    Awaiting with great anticipation
    Millions of PBers and news junkies will be furiously pressing F5 at 9:00am .... and one or two will be on PB at the time. :smile:

    Unfortunately, I may fall asleep prior to the glorious moment. I'll be sure to relive it by reviewing the PB archives in the morning!
    Might I pull you in the direction of an alarm clock to avoid devastating disappointment.

    I fear my quaffing of the red stuff will prevent any reaction from said alarm clock. ;)
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Will the ARSE be released in two halves ?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    OGH on R4......

    Are Radio 4 now taking ads for the "Belgravia Hair Centre" ?

    I hope that your ARSE has recovered from your curry.
    Indeed it has .... considerably assisted its required oiling by a particularly passable madeira.

    That said Lord A's unseemly breakfast dump of Con/Lab marginal polling will only add to a more frenzied digestion within my ARSE less than an hour later.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    If the above are the seats one would expect all Tory holds.

    Dover 2nd place could be interesting mind
  • Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    That's actually an awesome economics puzzle. There's a school of thought that says shareholders are better off if you just let the value of the company grow, a la Steve Jobs, and let them extract value from it on their own schedule by selling stock. Then there are a bunch of theories trying to explain investors' apparently irrational preference for dividends, one being that they keep them in a different conceptual box from the value of the stock.
    And the Apple-clause should be invoked: few companies are as successful as Apple, and they are very atypical.
    Apple suffers a problem common to many successful multinationals - especially US based ones: The money is not in the US. Profits and cash pile up around the world but the IRS taxes the pants off it when remitted back to head office. So the group balance sheet shows enormous cash balances - but these are not available to be paid as dividend because they're not held at group level. Apple has to borrow to pay its dividend or buy back shares! It's an oddball created entirely by the greed of the US tax authorities. If, for example, Apple UK is sitting on a mountain of cash, WTF should it do with that cash? Paying an intra-group dividend up to head office would be economically nuts. Maybe they can get an expensive intra-group loan from head office and pay some back as interest - but this will be heavily scrutinised for transfer pricing by both US and UK tax bodies. It's a tough one! Literally they have more money than they know what to do with.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,037
    FPT
    So where was all this Labour outrage when they brought in the rule that tenants in receipt of Housing Benefit in the private sector were limited to the amount needed for the number of bedrooms occupied (c. 2003)?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    surbiton said:

    Indigo said:

    " one head of a FTSE 100 company recently given facetime with Miliband was reportedly stunned into silence when Ed asked him “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”"

    So, unsourced quote, with no names of people involved. Yep, sounds totally legit to me.

    You can call him a liar if you want, I'll pass on that. The same quote is

    http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/1342353/can-miliband-convince-voters-trust-economy/

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9494602/ed-miliband-could-still-win-heres-what-would-happen-next/
    Tell him what ever you like, but tell him that quotes need attribution and names if they are to be taken seriously. I have no idea if he's a liar or not (who ever "he" is, you don't make that clear either) ;but it's not a properly sourced quote so it must be taken with a serious pinch of salt.

    The Management today article you linked to, just references the Spectator article by Dan Hodges you also quoted. The order order article had no attribution at all.

    So what we had is, "Dan Hodges said someone told him that someone else said........"

    Do you really think this is good journalistic standards, hearsay from an unnamed source, at an unnamed time
    Dan Hodges is a bitter, twisted man who could not become the LOTO Office CEO because David Miliband lost. He cannot forgive Ed.
    You must be beside yourself that Labour is in this election with a duffer as leader, How on earth did it come to this?
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited April 2015
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    OGH on R4......

    Are Radio 4 now taking ads for the "Belgravia Hair Centre" ?

    Older men pulling their hair out over polling may well be reassured that this may actually be the right thing to do:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3032255/At-cure-baldness-Scientists-discover-regrow-hair-long-prepared-pull-first.html

    I hope that your ARSE has recovered from your curry.
    One hopes the old Jacobite has increased his BRAN intake.
    How dare you use that vile swear word at breakfast time !!
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    3 hours 3 minutes 3 seconds

    Awaiting with great anticipation
    Millions of PBers and news junkies will be furiously pressing F5 at 9:00am .... and one or two will be on PB at the time. :smile:

    Unfortunately, I may fall asleep prior to the glorious moment. I'll be sure to relive it by reviewing the PB archives in the morning!
    Might I pull you in the direction of an alarm clock to avoid devastating disappointment.

    I fear my quaffing of the red stuff will prevent any reaction from said alarm clock. ;)
    I'm glad to note you have some standards even if your revolting promotion of BR*N marks you down as a breakfast wretch of the worst kind.

  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    surbiton said:

    Will the ARSE be released in two halves ?


    Don't be cheeky. :)
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    surbiton said:

    Will the ARSE be released in two halves ?

    Certainly not.

    Like the Coalition it acts as one in the interests of the nation. :smile:

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    surbiton said:

    Indigo said:

    " one head of a FTSE 100 company recently given facetime with Miliband was reportedly stunned into silence when Ed asked him “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”"

    So, unsourced quote, with no names of people involved. Yep, sounds totally legit to me.

    You can call him a liar if you want, I'll pass on that. The same quote is

    http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/1342353/can-miliband-convince-voters-trust-economy/

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9494602/ed-miliband-could-still-win-heres-what-would-happen-next/
    Tell him what ever you like, but tell him that quotes need attribution and names if they are to be taken seriously. I have no idea if he's a liar or not (who ever "he" is, you don't make that clear either) ;but it's not a properly sourced quote so it must be taken with a serious pinch of salt.

    The Management today article you linked to, just references the Spectator article by Dan Hodges you also quoted. The order order article had no attribution at all.

    So what we had is, "Dan Hodges said someone told him that someone else said........"

    Do you really think this is good journalistic standards, hearsay from an unnamed source, at an unnamed time
    Dan Hodges is a bitter, twisted man who could not become the LOTO Office CEO because David Miliband lost. He cannot forgive Ed.
    You must be beside yourself that Labour is in this election with a duffer as leader, How on earth did it come to this?
    Are you referring to Edward Samuel Miliband, our next Prime Minister ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    OGH on R4......

    Are Radio 4 now taking ads for the "Belgravia Hair Centre" ?

    Older men pulling their hair out over polling may well be reassured that this may actually be the right thing to do:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3032255/At-cure-baldness-Scientists-discover-regrow-hair-long-prepared-pull-first.html

    I hope that your ARSE has recovered from your curry.
    One hopes the old Jacobite has increased his BRAN intake.
    How dare you use that vile swear word at breakfast time !!
    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    3 hours 3 minutes 3 seconds

    Awaiting with great anticipation
    Millions of PBers and news junkies will be furiously pressing F5 at 9:00am .... and one or two will be on PB at the time. :smile:

    Unfortunately, I may fall asleep prior to the glorious moment. I'll be sure to relive it by reviewing the PB archives in the morning!
    Might I pull you in the direction of an alarm clock to avoid devastating disappointment.

    I fear my quaffing of the red stuff will prevent any reaction from said alarm clock. ;)
    I'm glad to note you have some standards even if your revolting promotion of BR*N marks you down as a breakfast wretch of the worst kind.

    To quote my most learn'd and noble friend:

    Titter
  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    I quite like the right to buy policy, it's one of those rare things - a policy that would actually make many people feel good about voting Tory (as in not just the ones who will benefit directly)
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Morning all, Ashcroft marginals at 8am and the ARSE at 9am, what a way to start the day.

    If Jack is around yet, yesterday I received a personalised letter from the Viscount. Nothing yet from SNP or Labour. The score so far is therefore Liberal 10, Tory 1, SNP and SLAB 0.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,037
    Anyway, given about a 3% standard deviation of swing (close to recent history), if there are 12 seats, the following results would indicate:

    6 con, 6 lab: 5% average swing
    7 con 5 lab: 3-4% average swing
    8 con, 4 lab, 2% average swing
    9-10 con, 2-3 lab, 0.5% average swing.
    11-12 con, 0-1 lab, 1% pro-con swing

    In short, howver many:
    50-50 indicates 5% swing
    5-eighthss to 3 eights indicates 0.5sd short of 5% (ie about 3.5%)
    2-thirds to 1 third indicates 1sd swing short of 5%(c. 3% less than 5%, so 2%)
    4-fifths to 1 fifth (ish) is about 1.5sd short of 5%
    19-twentieths to one-twentieth ish is about 2 sd short of 5%

    (All calculated on a tablet while feeling muzzy, so worth checking my maths!)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    OGH on R4......

    Are Radio 4 now taking ads for the "Belgravia Hair Centre" ?

    I hope that your ARSE has recovered from your curry.
    Indeed it has .... considerably assisted its required oiling by a particularly passable madeira.

    That said Lord A's unseemly breakfast dump of Con/Lab marginal polling will only add to a more frenzied digestion within my ARSE less than an hour later.

    ARSE (and Jack Dozen) vs Ashcroft? Will they speak as one? Or will Ascroft be exposed as a pale immitation? The tension builds....

  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Indigo said:

    " one head of a FTSE 100 company recently given facetime with Miliband was reportedly stunned into silence when Ed asked him “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”"

    So, unsourced quote, with no names of people involved. Yep, sounds totally legit to me.

    You can call him a liar if you want, I'll pass on that. The same quote is

    http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/1342353/can-miliband-convince-voters-trust-economy/

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9494602/ed-miliband-could-still-win-heres-what-would-happen-next/
    Tell him what ever you like, but tell him that quotes need attribution and names if they are to be taken seriously. I have no idea if he's a liar or not (who ever "he" is, you don't make that clear either) ;but it's not a properly sourced quote so it must be taken with a serious pinch of salt.

    The Management today article you linked to, just references the Spectator article by Dan Hodges you also quoted. The order order article had no attribution at all.

    So what we had is, "Dan Hodges said someone told him that someone else said........"

    Do you really think this is good journalistic standards, hearsay from an unnamed source, at an unnamed time
    Dan Hodges is a bitter, twisted man who could not become the LOTO Office CEO because David Miliband lost. He cannot forgive Ed.
    You must be beside yourself that Labour is in this election with a duffer as leader, How on earth did it come to this?
    Are you referring to Edward Samuel Miliband, our next Prime Minister ?
    What a joy it is this early in the day to see a seasoned PBer with such a wonderful sense of humour and penning a statement worthy of the some of the finest fiction in the annals of English literature.

    SeanT had best be on his guard !!

  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Pulpstar said:

    If the above are the seats one would expect all Tory holds.

    Dover 2nd place could be interesting mind

    Indeed, all look longshots for Lab; outside chance in Colne V and maybe Pboro could be a bit of a random factor. Expect few to no gains at this kind of swing.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,485
    Patrick said:

    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    That's actually an awesome economics puzzle. There's a school of thought that says shareholders are better off if you just let the value of the company grow, a la Steve Jobs, and let them extract value from it on their own schedule by selling stock. Then there are a bunch of theories trying to explain investors' apparently irrational preference for dividends, one being that they keep them in a different conceptual box from the value of the stock.
    And the Apple-clause should be invoked: few companies are as successful as Apple, and they are very atypical.
    Apple suffers a problem common to many successful multinationals - especially US based ones: The money is not in the US. Profits and cash pile up around the world but the IRS taxes the pants off it when remitted back to head office. So the group balance sheet shows enormous cash balances - but these are not available to be paid as dividend because they're not held at group level. Apple has to borrow to pay its dividend or buy back shares! It's an oddball created entirely by the greed of the US tax authorities. If, for example, Apple UK is sitting on a mountain of cash, WTF should it do with that cash? Paying an intra-group dividend up to head office would be economically nuts. Maybe they can get an expensive intra-group loan from head office and pay some back as interest - but this will be heavily scrutinised for transfer pricing by both US and UK tax bodies. It's a tough one! Literally they have more money than they know what to do with.
    They should just man-up and pay the taxes. ;-)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Patrick said:

    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    That's actually an awesome economics puzzle. There's a school of thought that says shareholders are better off if you just let the value of the company grow, a la Steve Jobs, and let them extract value from it on their own schedule by selling stock. Then there are a bunch of theories trying to explain investors' apparently irrational preference for dividends, one being that they keep them in a different conceptual box from the value of the stock.
    And the Apple-clause should be invoked: few companies are as successful as Apple, and they are very atypical.
    Apple suffers a problem common to many successful multinationals - especially US based ones: The money is not in the US. Profits and cash pile up around the world but the IRS taxes the pants off it when remitted back to head office. So the group balance sheet shows enormous cash balances - but these are not available to be paid as dividend because they're not held at group level. Apple has to borrow to pay its dividend or buy back shares! It's an oddball created entirely by the greed of the US tax authorities. If, for example, Apple UK is sitting on a mountain of cash, WTF should it do with that cash? Paying an intra-group dividend up to head office would be economically nuts. Maybe they can get an expensive intra-group loan from head office and pay some back as interest - but this will be heavily scrutinised for transfer pricing by both US and UK tax bodies. It's a tough one! Literally they have more money than they know what to do with.
    They should just man-up and pay the taxes. ;-)
    If what Patrick says is true, then it is all tax avoidance. Do yanks pay CGT on share sales?
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    JackW said:

    surbiton said:

    surbiton said:

    Indigo said:

    " one head of a FTSE 100 company recently given facetime with Miliband was reportedly stunned into silence when Ed asked him “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”"

    So, unsourced quote, with no names of people involved. Yep, sounds totally legit to me.

    You can call him a liar if you want, I'll pass on that. The same quote is

    http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/1342353/can-miliband-convince-voters-trust-economy/

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9494602/ed-miliband-could-still-win-heres-what-would-happen-next/
    Tell him what ever you like, but tell him that quotes need attribution and names if they are to be taken seriously. I have no idea if he's a liar or not (who ever "he" is, you don't make that clear either) ;but it's not a properly sourced quote so it must be taken with a serious pinch of salt.

    The Management today article you linked to, just references the Spectator article by Dan Hodges you also quoted. The order order article had no attribution at all.

    So what we had is, "Dan Hodges said someone told him that someone else said........"

    Do you really think this is good journalistic standards, hearsay from an unnamed source, at an unnamed time
    Dan Hodges is a bitter, twisted man who could not become the LOTO Office CEO because David Miliband lost. He cannot forgive Ed.
    You must be beside yourself that Labour is in this election with a duffer as leader, How on earth did it come to this?
    Are you referring to Edward Samuel Miliband, our next Prime Minister ?
    What a joy it is this early in the day to see a seasoned PBer with such a wonderful sense of humour and penning a statement worthy of the some of the finest fiction in the annals of English literature.

    SeanT had best be on his guard !!

    Amazing really.. there is nothing to laugh about (If youvote Labour) if you have a duffer as leader.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Morning all, Ashcroft marginals at 8am and the ARSE at 9am, what a way to start the day.

    If Jack is around yet, yesterday I received a personalised letter from the Viscount. Nothing yet from SNP or Labour. The score so far is therefore Liberal 10, Tory 1, SNP and SLAB 0.

    One hopes this personalised missive from the good Viscount was an encouragement to emulate him, grow a full set and perhaps as a mere afterthought perchance brandish the pencil in his direction over the ballot paper in the very near future ??

  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Suggest 3/10 turns red-Rossendale,Cleethorpes,MK
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,037
    edited April 2015

    Anyway, given about a 3% standard deviation of swing (close to recent history), if there are 12 seats, the following results would indicate:

    6 con, 6 lab: 5% average swing
    7 con 5 lab: 3-4% average swing
    8 con, 4 lab, 2% average swing
    9-10 con, 2-3 lab, 0.5% average swing.
    11-12 con, 0-1 lab, 1% pro-con swing

    In short, howver many:
    50-50 indicates 5% swing
    5-eighthss to 3 eights indicates 0.5sd short of 5% (ie about 3.5%)
    2-thirds to 1 third indicates 1sd swing short of 5%(c. 3% less than 5%, so 2%)
    4-fifths to 1 fifth (ish) is about 1.5sd short of 5%
    19-twentieths to one-twentieth ish is about 2 sd short of 5%

    (All calculated on a tablet while feeling muzzy, so worth checking my maths!)

    Oops, sorry - thought I was muzzy. The sd swings are in both directions, thus halve the number for pro-Lab

    50-50 is still 5% swing (6-6; more Lab indicates a greater than 5% swing as below in reverse)
    one quarter Lab is o.67sd short of 5% (3% swing); 9-3 to the Tories on 12 seats
    one-sixth Lab is 1sd short (2% swing); 10-2 Tory
    Around one tenth is 1.3 sd short (1% swing) 10-11 to 1-2 Lab Tory
    Around one-twentieth is 1.67 sd short (no swing) 11-12 Tory to 0-1 Lab - and judging the difference between this last three wouldl be a trick.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited April 2015

    Anyway, given about a 3% standard deviation of swing (close to recent history), if there are 12 seats, the following results would indicate:

    6 con, 6 lab: 5% average swing
    7 con 5 lab: 3-4% average swing
    8 con, 4 lab, 2% average swing
    9-10 con, 2-3 lab, 0.5% average swing.
    11-12 con, 0-1 lab, 1% pro-con swing

    In short, howver many:
    50-50 indicates 5% swing
    5-eighthss to 3 eights indicates 0.5sd short of 5% (ie about 3.5%)
    2-thirds to 1 third indicates 1sd swing short of 5%(c. 3% less than 5%, so 2%)
    4-fifths to 1 fifth (ish) is about 1.5sd short of 5%
    19-twentieths to one-twentieth ish is about 2 sd short of 5%

    (All calculated on a tablet while feeling muzzy, so worth checking my maths!)

    The maths looks right to me (though still pre coffee). Edit: it seems not!

    Though a lot may depend on the geographical spread of the Ashcroft seats, if indeed there is a bigger swing to Labour in London and SE as seemed to be the case in earlier polls.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    If these are the seats it will be a decent model test

  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    So we will be in a position this morning to say whether or not Jack's ARSE is full of it?
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,191
    Moving average chart of the 100 most recent YouGov polls. Click to enlarge...

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  • volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078

    FPT

    So where was all this Labour outrage when they brought in the rule that tenants in receipt of Housing Benefit in the private sector were limited to the amount needed for the number of bedrooms occupied (c. 2003)?

    Because it did not affect existing tenants,only new tenancies from that date.

  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited April 2015
    I wonder when Lord A carried out the fieldwork for this batch.

    A nowcast vs a projection. I expect them to be different and both could be right.

    Is it the Tory manifesto today? Is there anything left to announce after yesterday? They played Labour well yesterday with some chunky policy detail j that kept Labour from getting any positive traction from the manifesto launch.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Freggles said:

    So we will be in a position this morning to say whether or not Jack's ARSE is full of it?

    Ashcroft is the upstart new kid on the block. Jacks ARSE is old faithful. Astute punters will place their stakes accordingly!

    Though I am near my limit for this election, with over £600 staked, albeit some of the stakes laying each other off.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Freggles said:

    So we will be in a position this morning to say whether or not Jack's ARSE is full of it?

    Ashcroft is the upstart new kid on the block. Jacks ARSE is old faithful. Astute punters will place their stakes accordingly!

    Though I am near my limit for this election, with over £600 staked, albeit some of the stakes laying each other off.
    Think I can add a zero to that :D
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    OT Plato, saw your Matt tweet..absolutely brilliant..and Marfs cartoon on the previous thread was also very funny..good material for cartoonists
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,027
    Still in something of a shock about the ICM yesterday. What I think is particularly significant is that this is far from a one off in relation to the high Tory score.

    If it turns out that the true narrative of this election was materially different from what we have been led to believe by the internet pollsters there will be some serious disgruntlement, particularly amongst those who have more than fun sums at stake.

    Whilst I continue to have reservations about the accuracy and reliability of Lord Ashcroft's efforts, particularly at constituency level, today just might give us an indication as to whether or not there is support for ICM. If the Tories are even in the MoE of the ICM figure very few seats needing a 5% swing should be going red, even on Andy's helpful analysis.

    See that Sporting Index has not moved.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    Anyway, given about a 3% standard deviation of swing (close to recent history), if there are 12 seats, the following results would indicate:

    6 con, 6 lab: 5% average swing
    7 con 5 lab: 3-4% average swing
    8 con, 4 lab, 2% average swing
    9-10 con, 2-3 lab, 0.5% average swing.
    11-12 con, 0-1 lab, 1% pro-con swing

    In short, howver many:
    50-50 indicates 5% swing
    5-eighthss to 3 eights indicates 0.5sd short of 5% (ie about 3.5%)
    2-thirds to 1 third indicates 1sd swing short of 5%(c. 3% less than 5%, so 2%)
    4-fifths to 1 fifth (ish) is about 1.5sd short of 5%
    19-twentieths to one-twentieth ish is about 2 sd short of 5%

    (All calculated on a tablet while feeling muzzy, so worth checking my maths!)

    Oops, sorry - thought I was muzzy. The sd swings are in both directions, thus halve the number for pro-Lab

    50-50 is still 5% swing (6-6; more Lab indicates a greater than 5% swing as below in reverse)
    one quarter Lab is o.67sd short of 5% (3% swing); 9-3 to the Tories on 12 seats
    one-sixth Lab is 1sd short (2% swing); 10-2 Tory
    Around one tenth is 1.3 sd short (1% swing) 10-11 to 1-2 Lab Tory
    Around one-twentieth is 1.67 sd short (no swing) 11-12 Tory to 0-1 Lab - and judging the difference between this last three wouldl be a trick.

    How can there be a swing to Con [ on average ] if there is even one gain for Labour?

    Surely, swing to Con could only be implied if Con retains all 12 [ indeed may also increase majorities ].
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Commentators yesterday noted that previous Labour manifesto had a picture of Blair on the front, while now Ed is excised from any and all party literature

    @David_Cameron: This is the cover of our manifesto.

    At its heart is a simple proposition: security at every stage of your life. http://t.co/qOQxJGAndo
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    DavidL said:

    Still in something of a shock about the ICM yesterday. What I think is particularly significant is that this is far from a one off in relation to the high Tory score.

    If it turns out that the true narrative of this election was materially different from what we have been led to believe by the internet pollsters there will be some serious disgruntlement, particularly amongst those who have more than fun sums at stake.

    Whilst I continue to have reservations about the accuracy and reliability of Lord Ashcroft's efforts, particularly at constituency level, today just might give us an indication as to whether or not there is support for ICM. If the Tories are even in the MoE of the ICM figure very few seats needing a 5% swing should be going red, even on Andy's helpful analysis.

    See that Sporting Index has not moved.

    Of these seats I've backed the Conservatives in Colne Valley, have backed Labour too - though the Labour bet may well be palped (It is 66-1)

    I'm not counting on it paying out at 66-1 for my book.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Pulpstar said:

    Freggles said:

    So we will be in a position this morning to say whether or not Jack's ARSE is full of it?

    Ashcroft is the upstart new kid on the block. Jacks ARSE is old faithful. Astute punters will place their stakes accordingly!

    Though I am near my limit for this election, with over £600 staked, albeit some of the stakes laying each other off.
    Think I can add a zero to that :D
    I don't think that my donation to Shadsys annual bonus need be any more generous!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    WTF? That's beyond bizarre.
    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    DavidL said:

    Still in something of a shock about the ICM yesterday. What I think is particularly significant is that this is far from a one off in relation to the high Tory score.

    If it turns out that the true narrative of this election was materially different from what we have been led to believe by the internet pollsters there will be some serious disgruntlement, particularly amongst those who have more than fun sums at stake.

    Whilst I continue to have reservations about the accuracy and reliability of Lord Ashcroft's efforts, particularly at constituency level, today just might give us an indication as to whether or not there is support for ICM. If the Tories are even in the MoE of the ICM figure very few seats needing a 5% swing should be going red, even on Andy's helpful analysis.

    See that Sporting Index has not moved.

    Has the moving averages moved at all since the official start of the campaign ? Unless very marginally to Labour. UKIP , Greens have certainly dropped. LD has increased and so has the SNP.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    surbiton said:

    Anyway, given about a 3% standard deviation of swing (close to recent history), if there are 12 seats, the following results would indicate:

    6 con, 6 lab: 5% average swing
    7 con 5 lab: 3-4% average swing
    8 con, 4 lab, 2% average swing
    9-10 con, 2-3 lab, 0.5% average swing.
    11-12 con, 0-1 lab, 1% pro-con swing

    In short, howver many:
    50-50 indicates 5% swing
    5-eighthss to 3 eights indicates 0.5sd short of 5% (ie about 3.5%)
    2-thirds to 1 third indicates 1sd swing short of 5%(c. 3% less than 5%, so 2%)
    4-fifths to 1 fifth (ish) is about 1.5sd short of 5%
    19-twentieths to one-twentieth ish is about 2 sd short of 5%

    (All calculated on a tablet while feeling muzzy, so worth checking my maths!)

    Oops, sorry - thought I was muzzy. The sd swings are in both directions, thus halve the number for pro-Lab

    50-50 is still 5% swing (6-6; more Lab indicates a greater than 5% swing as below in reverse)
    one quarter Lab is o.67sd short of 5% (3% swing); 9-3 to the Tories on 12 seats
    one-sixth Lab is 1sd short (2% swing); 10-2 Tory
    Around one tenth is 1.3 sd short (1% swing) 10-11 to 1-2 Lab Tory
    Around one-twentieth is 1.67 sd short (no swing) 11-12 Tory to 0-1 Lab - and judging the difference between this last three wouldl be a trick.

    How can there be a swing to Con [ on average ] if there is even one gain for Labour?

    Surely, swing to Con could only be implied if Con retains all 12 [ indeed may also increase majorities ].
    Random variation, SDs and all that good stuff.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    What time is OGH on Radio 4?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    First LOL of the Day. :smile:
    JackW said:

    OGH on R4......

    Are Radio 4 now taking ads for the "Belgravia Hair Centre" ?

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Anyone know which party the Sun is backing this time?

    @SunPolitics: Manifest-d'oh! Labour's deficit plan doesn't add up: http://sunpl.us/60184tgu
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Pulpstar said:

    Freggles said:

    So we will be in a position this morning to say whether or not Jack's ARSE is full of it?

    Ashcroft is the upstart new kid on the block. Jacks ARSE is old faithful. Astute punters will place their stakes accordingly!

    Though I am near my limit for this election, with over £600 staked, albeit some of the stakes laying each other off.
    Think I can add a zero to that :D
    I don't think that my donation to Shadsys annual bonus need be any more generous!
    You know it's got somewhat serious when you've got over four figures that you're looking to lose on various bets.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SunPolitics: On Labour's sham manifesto, The Sun says... http://t.co/p7rpCTOYAp
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Scott_P said:

    Anyone know which party the Sun is backing this time?

    @SunPolitics: Manifest-d'oh! Labour's deficit plan doesn't add up: http://sunpl.us/60184tgu

    In England or Scotland ?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    A bit like Walter in Breaking Bad...
    Patrick said:

    Indigo said:

    EdM asks the FT : “Why exactly do you need to pay your shareholders dividends?”

    Is this the guy who used to lecture in economics ?

    That's actually an awesome economics puzzle. There's a school of thought that says shareholders are better off if you just let the value of the company grow, a la Steve Jobs, and let them extract value from it on their own schedule by selling stock. Then there are a bunch of theories trying to explain investors' apparently irrational preference for dividends, one being that they keep them in a different conceptual box from the value of the stock.
    And the Apple-clause should be invoked: few companies are as successful as Apple, and they are very atypical.
    Apple suffers a problem common to many successful multinationals - especially US based ones: The money is not in the US. Profits and cash pile up around the world but the IRS taxes the pants off it when remitted back to head office. So the group balance sheet shows enormous cash balances - but these are not available to be paid as dividend because they're not held at group level. Apple has to borrow to pay its dividend or buy back shares! It's an oddball created entirely by the greed of the US tax authorities. If, for example, Apple UK is sitting on a mountain of cash, WTF should it do with that cash? Paying an intra-group dividend up to head office would be economically nuts. Maybe they can get an expensive intra-group loan from head office and pay some back as interest - but this will be heavily scrutinised for transfer pricing by both US and UK tax bodies. It's a tough one! Literally they have more money than they know what to do with.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,027
    edited April 2015
    surbiton said:

    DavidL said:

    Still in something of a shock about the ICM yesterday. What I think is particularly significant is that this is far from a one off in relation to the high Tory score.

    If it turns out that the true narrative of this election was materially different from what we have been led to believe by the internet pollsters there will be some serious disgruntlement, particularly amongst those who have more than fun sums at stake.

    Whilst I continue to have reservations about the accuracy and reliability of Lord Ashcroft's efforts, particularly at constituency level, today just might give us an indication as to whether or not there is support for ICM. If the Tories are even in the MoE of the ICM figure very few seats needing a 5% swing should be going red, even on Andy's helpful analysis.

    See that Sporting Index has not moved.

    Has the moving averages moved at all since the official start of the campaign ? Unless very marginally to Labour. UKIP , Greens have certainly dropped. LD has increased and so has the SNP.
    Yes, they moved quite a bit in response to the good polling for Labour at the start of last week. The gap between the mid points started at 16 and fell to 11 in about 4 days as a Tory plurality seemed less likely. It may be that the ICM has simply stopped (temporarily or otherwise) this trend.

    Edit. On reading your post again I was talking about the Sporting Index figures not the moving averages which I agree have been fairly static with a modest squeeze on the smaller parties (except the SNP of course) and minimal changes for the big 2.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Freggles said:

    So we will be in a position this morning to say whether or not Jack's ARSE is full of it?

    Ashcroft is the upstart new kid on the block. Jacks ARSE is old faithful. Astute punters will place their stakes accordingly!

    Though I am near my limit for this election, with over £600 staked, albeit some of the stakes laying each other off.
    Little wonder the NHS is in crisis with you raiding the staff ward tea fund and wagering it on the LibDems taking Thanet South !!

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Scott_P said:

    Commentators yesterday noted that previous Labour manifesto had a picture of Blair on the front, while now Ed is excised from any and all party literature

    @David_Cameron: This is the cover of our manifesto.

    At its heart is a simple proposition: security at every stage of your life. http://t.co/qOQxJGAndo

    Who knew it. The Tories are now to the left of Labour with a lead policy of Socialist housing and offering "security at every stage of life".

    One might say "protection from the cradle to the grave".
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Whenever we hear of large losing bets - I still think of Philippe Magan [sp] and his Cleggaism wagers. That must have cost him dearly.
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Freggles said:

    So we will be in a position this morning to say whether or not Jack's ARSE is full of it?

    Ashcroft is the upstart new kid on the block. Jacks ARSE is old faithful. Astute punters will place their stakes accordingly!

    Though I am near my limit for this election, with over £600 staked, albeit some of the stakes laying each other off.
    Think I can add a zero to that :D
    I don't think that my donation to Shadsys annual bonus need be any more generous!
    You know it's got somewhat serious when you've got over four figures that you're looking to lose on various bets.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    As the applause rang out for Red Ed after his manifesto launch in Manchester, one veteran Labour Leftie was kept far from public view — Ken Livingstone.

    The former London Mayor — notorious during his entire political career for his hard-Left leanings — was a key figure in drafting the document, and so crucial he attended the final manifesto meeting with Miliband at London’s Church House last Thursday.


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3037813/How-Red-Ken-helped-write-Ed-s-manifesto-ANDREW-PIERCE-stories-spin-doctors-DON-T-want-read.html#ixzz3XGR4fcPt
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Many thanks for the smaller parties list posted on the last thread.
    AndyJS said:

    What time is OGH on Radio 4?

  • AndyJS said:

    What time is OGH on Radio 4?

    6.15
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Plato said:

    Whenever we hear of large losing bets - I still think of Philippe Magan [sp] and his Cleggaism wagers. That must have cost him dearly.

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Freggles said:

    So we will be in a position this morning to say whether or not Jack's ARSE is full of it?

    Ashcroft is the upstart new kid on the block. Jacks ARSE is old faithful. Astute punters will place their stakes accordingly!

    Though I am near my limit for this election, with over £600 staked, albeit some of the stakes laying each other off.
    Think I can add a zero to that :D
    I don't think that my donation to Shadsys annual bonus need be any more generous!
    You know it's got somewhat serious when you've got over four figures that you're looking to lose on various bets.
    Biggest unhedged is Cumbernauld, Kilsyth, Kirkintilloch East and it it the one that I am least worried about.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Bad breakfast for the Conservatives.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,027
    What I have found amusing over the last couple of days is the way that Osborne has been able to weaponise (to turn a phrase) the Tories' superior credibility about the economy. He has done this by promising apparently "unfunded" (I really resent the way all politicians use that word in the context of a £90bn deficit) additional spending.

    This works both ways. Firstly, every time he is challenged about it it allows him to boast about his seriously impressive economic record and demonstrate that he is promising no more than he has already delivered over the last 5 years.

    Secondly, when Labour and Ed Balls in particular are trying to be oh so grown up and responsible (fingers crossed behind their backs or otherwise) it has the delightful side effect of reducing them to spluttering incoherence like we saw yesterday. Labour still get shot down on their slightly fanciful if superficially more complete arithmetic and Osborne gets to say "we will find a way, again."

    If he did not have the superior economic credibility he could not possibly get away with this but he does and he is using it to maximum effect.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Good morning, everyone.

    Are we getting comparable polls about seats with small Labour majorities?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    Dair said:

    Scott_P said:

    Commentators yesterday noted that previous Labour manifesto had a picture of Blair on the front, while now Ed is excised from any and all party literature

    @David_Cameron: This is the cover of our manifesto.

    At its heart is a simple proposition: security at every stage of your life. http://t.co/qOQxJGAndo

    Who knew it. The Tories are now to the left of Labour with a lead policy of Socialist housing and offering "security at every stage of life".

    One might say "protection from the cradle to the grave".
    Morning all,

    Each party seems to be using their manifesto purely to address their perceived weaknesses. No doubt this will contribute further to the dead-heat in the polls we are seeing (unless ICM turn out to be a canary and not a canard).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    Ashcroft out. Tories ahead in 5 out of 10
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Does the £12500 tax threshold take all [using normal working hours] minimum wage earners out of tax completely?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    Looks like the Mogg will be returned.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    Ashcroft: Conservatives ahead in five of the ten seats: Cleethorpes (though by only by two points), Dover, Dudley South, Harlow and North East Somerset, where Jacob Rees-Mogg is sixteen points clear of Labour despite the Liberal Democrat vote falling by more than half.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Nasty Tories on the slide ! Osborne's "weaponising" is doing b*gger all !
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Having said that: 4-9 Dover @ Coral.
  • Moggster for PM starts here.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    As I thought, Labour ahead in Crewe and Nantwich and Finchley & Golders Green.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    edited April 2015
    The Mogg has done well in NE Somerset.

    All the rest well within MoE, except Dover and Harlow.
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