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Result of council at last election (2012) : Labour 35, Scottish National Party 26, Liberal Democrats 10, Independents 4, Conservatives 3 (No Overall Control, Labour short by 5)

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foxinsoxuk

Gripping coverage of Leicester and Richard III building up to the great (non) debate on Channel 4.

It is hard to cope with all the excitement...

FrancisUrquhart

What no thread on the debates, I mean interviews?

Even PB big bods not that interested?

TheScreamingEagles

FrancisUrquhart said:

What no thread on the debates, I mean interviews?

I'm writing that as we speak, and expect to get that around 9ish.

TheScreamingEagles

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

philiph

@Roger

FPT

I think Lib Dems joined Cons in the Bercow show today because of the contemptuous and insulting way he dealt with Danny Alexander the other day.

SimonStClare

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

What no thread on the debates, I mean interviews?

I'm writing that as we speak, and expect to get that around 9ish.

Do you have the timings for the two debates pls TSE?

I doubt I'll see the 2nd - I have man flu and am presently supping warm brandy and chicken soup, at this rate I'll be unconscious by 9pm.

Alanbrooke

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

TheScreamingEagles

SimonStClare said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

What no thread on the debates, I mean interviews?

I'm writing that as we speak, and expect to get that around 9ish.

Do you have the timings for the two debates pls TSE?

I doubt I'll see the 2nd - I have man flu and am presently supping warm brandy and chicken soup, at this rate I'll be unconscious by 9pm.

Not exact timings, Dave goes first at just after 9, then Ed starts at 9:50ish.

TheScreamingEagles

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Well I've managed to segue in a reference to the X Factor into the next thread.

old_labour

Link to watch the debate interviews live on YouTube for those outside the UK.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAoMFz7qaR0

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/581186724631564289

foxinsoxuk

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Jacks ARSE or Kim's arse. Tough choices. Difficult decisions...

FrancisUrquhart

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Will the Guardian be live blogging that? If not, I might have to stick with the interviews.

From Guardian live blog...

"We have 60 on standby to give their view as part of our polling project with BritainThinks, which is following voters in five key seats through the campaign.

Each of the 60 has been given a smartphone app that will enable them to tell us their instant verdicts on the leaders as they speak, giving you a snapshot of opinion among people whose votes in key marginals could decide who gets the keys to Downing Street."

FrancisUrquhart

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/581186724631564289

Sounds like it could descend into a circus. Leaders not in the interviews, being interviewed about the interviews at the interviews?

Alanbrooke

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Well I've managed to segue in a reference to the X Factor into the next thread.

I wonder if we could get 5000/1 on "pounded like a dockside hooker" being one of Paxo's handy phrases ?

tyson

@Roger- on why the LD's are so compliant

Roger- for the same reasons why they didn't object to Clegg not attending the debate and for that matter for slavishly following the Tories in government- this was not a coalition, it was a Tory Govt with the LD's licking their boots, and happy to eat crumbs. Student fees, ha, ha. The LD's have behaved as the fag to the Eton prefects, and they have taken it. And in doing so they have shown themselves to be so politically inept that they are likely to lose more than 60% of their vote at the GE. No one could make up how pathetic and politically inept the LD's are.

That said I am probably going to have vote for them..

TheScreamingEagles

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Well I've managed to segue in a reference to the X Factor into the next thread.

I wonder if we could get 5000/1 on "pounded like a dockside hooker" being one of Paxo's handy phrases ?

Well the phrase "pumped like a Dockside hooker" made it into the Guardian in 2009, so I live in hope

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/mar/27/west-indies-england-cricket-over-by-over-report

kle4

tyson said:

@Roger- on why the LD's are so compliant

Roger- for the same reasons why they didn't object to Clegg not attending the debate and for that matter for slavishly following the Tories in government- this was not a coalition, it was a Tory Govt with the LD's licking their boots, and happy to eat crumbs. Student fees, ha, ha. The LD's have behaved as the fag to the Eton prefects, and they have taken it. And in doing so they have shown themselves to be so politically inept that they are likely to lose more than 60% of their vote at the GE. No one could make up how pathetic and politically inept the LD's are.

That said I am probably going to have vote for them..

What's amusing is contrasting that with the ramblings of the hard Tory right convinced Cameron has let the LDs dictate to him far too much.

Alistair

Should have slipped in an AV thread.

TheScreamingEagles

Alistair said:

Should have slipped in an AV thread.

Maybe at the weekend.

Roger

FPT. Tyson

"Cameron is a spoilt prat and stupid- he has lost all sense of judgement in these last weeks,"

I hope the country is noticing. We've all now got a clue what a second term would look like. Even Thatcher didn't go COMPLETELY barking during the first five years.

A few months ago I was pretty relaxed about who won or lost. I wasn't over keen on any of them. Now I see a Cameron victory as a catastrophe.

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/PaulTwinn/status/581191011306725376

Danny565

Away from the debates onto more serious matters, the PBDirectioners will be happy to hear the remaining members of One Direction aren't splitting up.

MikeK

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/PaulTwinn/status/581191011306725376

An all round scrum, or a crafty interview with Nigel?

currystar

Roger said:

FPT. Tyson

"Cameron is a spoilt prat and stupid- he has lost all sense of judgement in these last weeks,"

I hope the country is noticing. We've all now got a clue what a second term would look like. Even Thatcher didn't go COMPLETELY barking during the first five years.

A few months ago I was pretty relaxed about who won or lost. I wasn't over keen on any of them. Now I see a Cameron victory as a catastrophe.

You are right, low unemployment, record employment, rising wages, zero inflation , excellent growth. What a catastrophe!

TheScreamingEagles

Just now need to add into the next thread, Nigel Farage's acting like needy little bitch.

Alanbrooke

Roger said:

FPT. Tyson

"Cameron is a spoilt prat and stupid- he has lost all sense of judgement in these last weeks,"

I hope the country is noticing. We've all now got a clue what a second term would look like. Even Thatcher didn't go COMPLETELY barking during the first five years.

A few months ago I was pretty relaxed about who won or lost. I wasn't over keen on any of them. Now I see a Cameron victory as a catastrophe.

Roger, if you;re going to troll at least put some thought into it to spice it up.

PClipp

currystar said:

Roger said:

FPT. Tyson

"Cameron is a spoilt prat and stupid- he has lost all sense of judgement in these last weeks,"

I hope the country is noticing. We've all now got a clue what a second term would look like. Even Thatcher didn't go COMPLETELY barking during the first five years.

A few months ago I was pretty relaxed about who won or lost. I wasn't over keen on any of them. Now I see a Cameron victory as a catastrophe.

You are right, low unemployment, record employment, rising wages, zero inflation , excellent growth. What a catastrophe!

Yup, Currystar. The Liberal Democrats did a good job of being in government!

SimonStClare

TheScreamingEagles said:

Just now need to add into the next thread, Nigel Farage's acting like needy little bitch.

Kendrick Lamar? - not like you to stray too far from the 80s

currystar

PClipp said:

currystar said:

Roger said:

FPT. Tyson

"Cameron is a spoilt prat and stupid- he has lost all sense of judgement in these last weeks,"

I hope the country is noticing. We've all now got a clue what a second term would look like. Even Thatcher didn't go COMPLETELY barking during the first five years.

A few months ago I was pretty relaxed about who won or lost. I wasn't over keen on any of them. Now I see a Cameron victory as a catastrophe.

You are right, low unemployment, record employment, rising wages, zero inflation , excellent growth. What a catastrophe!

Yup, Currystar. The Liberal Democrats did a good job of being in government!

You are correct. This coalition government deserves enormous credit

Alistair

This sums up the day so far

https://twitter.com/tomcopley/status/581125461658464256

saddened

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Jacks ARSE or Kim's arse. Tough choices. Difficult decisions...

The whole Kardashian thing has escaped me. Are we supposed to be finding arses the size of three attractive now? If so why?

MikeK

TheScreamingEagles said:

Just now need to add into the next thread, Nigel Farage's acting like needy little bitch.

Now, now, TSE. Be a good boy and stop yer barking. Wooof.

Big_G_NorthWales

William Hague's next book will be interesting

saddened

MikeK said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Just now need to add into the next thread, Nigel Farage's acting like needy little bitch.

Now, now, TSE. Be a good boy and stop yer barking. Wooof.

You genuinely have no clue of how much of a Farage fanboi, poodle you are, do you?

kle4

Alistair said:

This sums up the day so far

htps://twitter.com/tomcopley/status/581125461658464256

Yeesh - he will have his revenge, that's for sure.

kle4

saddened said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Jacks ARSE or Kim's arse. Tough choices. Difficult decisions...

The whole Kardashian thing has escaped me. Are we supposed to be finding arses the size of three attractive now? If so why?

Became fashionable in the past 5-10 years apparently. Can't say why it is supposed to be one of those universally attractive traits now, but there you go.

Alanbrooke

saddened said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Jacks ARSE or Kim's arse. Tough choices. Difficult decisions...

The whole Kardashian thing has escaped me. Are we supposed to be finding arses the size of three attractive now? If so why?

I think it all started with Chris Bryant, not only is he an arse but he's easily the equivalent of three arses in one ; sometimes four. The Kardashians latched on to the concept it and the rest is history

TGOHF

So are Sky putting Farage etc in the audience for the Burley section ? Back door debates ?

MarkHopkins

kle4 said:

Alistair said:

This sums up the day so far

htps://twitter.com/tomcopley/status/581125461658464256

Yeesh - he will have his revenge, that's for sure.

Not on Hague.

saddened

Alanbrooke said:

saddened said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Jacks ARSE or Kim's arse. Tough choices. Difficult decisions...

The whole Kardashian thing has escaped me. Are we supposed to be finding arses the size of three attractive now? If so why?

I think it all started with Chris Bryant, not only is he an arse but he's easily the equivalent of three arses in one ; sometimes four. The Kardashians latched on to the concept it and the rest is history

I do miss the like button.

foxinsoxuk

kle4 said:

saddened said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Jacks ARSE or Kim's arse. Tough choices. Difficult decisions...

The whole Kardashian thing has escaped me. Are we supposed to be finding arses the size of three attractive now? If so why?

Became fashionable in the past 5-10 years apparently. Can't say why it is supposed to be one of those universally attractive traits now, but there you go.

It does give us blokes a problem. Is the correct and approved answer to "Does my bum look big in this?" still "not at all, you look lovely" or is that insulting to the new bum implants?

What is the chivalric answer? And which gets the earache...

williamglenn

Sky are valiantly trying to make Brentford look glamorous from their helicopter.

Speedy

It seems that Farage is trying to upstage the Paxman interviews.
I wonder it he is planning to do similar moves on the other non-debates-debates that he is excluded.

FrancisUrquhart

williamglenn said:

Sky are valiantly trying to make Brentford look glamorous from their helicopter.

The spin room looks like a sixth form common room.

FrancisUrquhart

The two party leaders also decided in what order to do the interview/Q&A sections. David Cameron chose to have his Paxman encounter first, while Miliband decided to confront the audience before being formally interviewed.

Alanbrooke

foxinsoxuk said:

kle4 said:

saddened said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Jacks ARSE or Kim's arse. Tough choices. Difficult decisions...

The whole Kardashian thing has escaped me. Are we supposed to be finding arses the size of three attractive now? If so why?

Became fashionable in the past 5-10 years apparently. Can't say why it is supposed to be one of those universally attractive traits now, but there you go.

It does give us blokes a problem. Is the correct and approved answer to "Does my bum look big in this?" still "not at all, you look lovely" or is that insulting to the new bum implants?

What is the chivalric answer? And which gets the earache...

Try "not big enough" the next time she asks. Mrs B wasn't sure how to react.

nigel4england

SeanT said:

What wine are you all drinking for the "debate"?

I'm on a Chateau d'Isaan, Margaux.

The 2005.

Think its fitting. A modestly important wine, but not as important as it thinks.

Co-op Original Dry Cider, £3 for 2 litres, it's all I will be able to afford if the Loonies get in so may as well get used to it.

tyson

kle4 said:

tyson said:

@Roger- on why the LD's are so compliant

Roger- for the same reasons why they didn't object to Clegg not attending the debate and for that matter for slavishly following the Tories in government- this was not a coalition, it was a Tory Govt with the LD's licking their boots, and happy to eat crumbs. Student fees, ha, ha. The LD's have behaved as the fag to the Eton prefects, and they have taken it. And in doing so they have shown themselves to be so politically inept that they are likely to lose more than 60% of their vote at the GE. No one could make up how pathetic and politically inept the LD's are.

That said I am probably going to have vote for them..

What's amusing is contrasting that with the ramblings of the hard Tory right convinced Cameron has let the LDs dictate to him far too much.

The Tory right are uncompromising nutters. I bet Cameron wishes he didn't have them.

But surely you can see that the LD's have committed political suicide by cosying to the Tories. They (LD's) made a breakthrough in 2010, and are looking down a cliff now.

I doubt very much that anyone is voting in 2015 for the LD's out of a positive choice. They are voting LD tactically to keep the Tories or Labour out of their seat. This is what the LD's have reduced themselves too- at barely a third of the vote they got last time. And if that is not politically inept, I would hate to see what political ineptness actually is.

foxinsoxuk

SeanT said:

What wine are you all drinking for the "debate"?

I'm on a Chateau d'Isaan, Margaux.

The 2005.

Think its fitting. A modestly important wine, but not as important as it thinks.

I shall take a large brandy; purely for medicinal purposes.

Speedy

Is Farage going to be in the audience asking questions to Cameron and Miliband?
Basically, what naughty things is he up too?

isam

Anti franks washing his hair, here's the next best thing

Janan Ganesh, Esq. (@JGaneshEsq)
26/03/2015 19:56
Thesaurus & madeira wine in hand. I'll be sharing my impenetrably intellectual & incomprehensible insights on tonight's #BattleForNumber10

FrancisUrquhart

SeanT said:

nigel4england said:

SeanT said:

What wine are you all drinking for the "debate"?

I'm on a Chateau d'Isaan, Margaux.

The 2005.

Think its fitting. A modestly important wine, but not as important as it thinks.

Co-op Original Dry Cider, £3 for 2 litres, it's all I will be able to afford if the Loonies get in so may as well get used to it.

Good point. I could be on Jacobs Creek in a few weeks, if Cameron cocks this up, which he probably will.

I think I would prefer Co-Op own brand cider option than drink that pi$$ poor excuse for wine.

SimonStClare

Alanbrooke said:

foxinsoxuk said:

kle4 said:

saddened said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Jacks ARSE or Kim's arse. Tough choices. Difficult decisions...

The whole Kardashian thing has escaped me. Are we supposed to be finding arses the size of three attractive now? If so why?

Became fashionable in the past 5-10 years apparently. Can't say why it is supposed to be one of those universally attractive traits now, but there you go.

It does give us blokes a problem. Is the correct and approved answer to "Does my bum look big in this?" still "not at all, you look lovely" or is that insulting to the new bum implants?

What is the chivalric answer? And which gets the earache...

Try "not big enough" the next time she asks. Mrs B wasn't sure how to react.

Good answer - I once made the mistake of mentioning of a VPL, - it was costly...

williamglenn

tyson said:

I doubt very much that anyone is voting in 2015 for the LD's out of a positive choice. They are voting LD tactically to keep the Tories or Labour out of their seat. This is what the LD's have reduced themselves too- at barely a third of the vote they got last time. And if that is not politically inept, I would hate to see what political ineptness actually is.

At the risk of overestimating the yellow peril, it's still premature to say that. Everything is to play for in the campaign.

Theuniondivvie

Alanbrooke said:

foxinsoxuk said:

kle4 said:

saddened said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Jacks ARSE or Kim's arse. Tough choices. Difficult decisions...

The whole Kardashian thing has escaped me. Are we supposed to be finding arses the size of three attractive now? If so why?

Became fashionable in the past 5-10 years apparently. Can't say why it is supposed to be one of those universally attractive traits now, but there you go.

It does give us blokes a problem. Is the correct and approved answer to "Does my bum look big in this?" still "not at all, you look lovely" or is that insulting to the new bum implants?

What is the chivalric answer? And which gets the earache...

Try "not big enough" the next time she asks. Mrs B wasn't sure how to react.

It's good to be able to throw that phrase back at them.*

*so a friend tells me.

TheScreamingEagles

New Thread

Alanbrooke

SimonStClare said:

Alanbrooke said:

foxinsoxuk said:

kle4 said:

saddened said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Jacks ARSE or Kim's arse. Tough choices. Difficult decisions...

The whole Kardashian thing has escaped me. Are we supposed to be finding arses the size of three attractive now? If so why?

Became fashionable in the past 5-10 years apparently. Can't say why it is supposed to be one of those universally attractive traits now, but there you go.

It does give us blokes a problem. Is the correct and approved answer to "Does my bum look big in this?" still "not at all, you look lovely" or is that insulting to the new bum implants?

What is the chivalric answer? And which gets the earache...

Try "not big enough" the next time she asks. Mrs B wasn't sure how to react.

Good answer - I once made the mistake of mentioning of a VPL, - it was costly...

I've also discovered the answer to "how do I look ?" is not "like Angela Merkel"

( well it was frumpy ! but you're damned if you tell the truth and damned if you don't )

kle4

tyson said:

kle4 said:

tyson said:

@Roger- on why the LD's are so compliant

Roger- for the same reasons why they didn't object to Clegg not attending the debate and for that matter for slavishly following the Tories in government- this was not a coalition, it was a Tory Govt with the LD's licking their boots, and happy to eat crumbs. Student fees, ha, ha. The LD's have behaved as the fag to the Eton prefects, and they have taken it. And in doing so they have shown themselves to be so politically inept that they are likely to lose more than 60% of their vote at the GE. No one could make up how pathetic and politically inept the LD's are.

That said I am probably going to have vote for them..

What's amusing is contrasting that with the ramblings of the hard Tory right convinced Cameron has let the LDs dictate to him far too much.

The Tory right are uncompromising nutters. I bet Cameron wishes he didn't have them.

But surely you can see that the LD's have committed political suicide by cosying to the Tories. They (LD's) made a breakthrough in 2010, and are looking down a cliff now.

I doubt very much that anyone is voting in 2015 for the LD's out of a positive choice. They are voting LD tactically to keep the Tories or Labour out of their seat. This is what the LD's have reduced themselves too- at barely a third of the vote they got last time. And if that is not politically inept, I would hate to see what political ineptness actually is.

They committed political suicide, no question. They assumed they'd get some credit for a job hopefully well done, but they haven't. Politically it has not worked out at all. But it was a proper coalition, it wasn't just them slavishly following the Tories (though opinions will differ on whether they fought too much or not enough - most would say not enough), as silly as the hard Tory right are, the LDs have not been as totally ineffective as you make out either. A combination of not being up to the task, some poor judgement and some bad luck have done for them, but as a coalition it could have been worse. We've had majority governments which were worse, so I look forward to seeing how the LDs react to their crushing in a month - tacking away from the centre left to the full left won't work on me, but it'll be interesting to seeing what happens after Labour start doing so many Toryish things.

Pulpstar

Has Ed soiled himself yet ?

kle4

Crap, missed the start due to typing here.

MTimT

kle4 said:

saddened said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Alanbrooke said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

And the post interview thread, but I won't be writing that until 10.30

thrilling as watching Ed Miliband for 90 minutes sounds I'll probably watch the Kardashians for a more insightful take on UK politics. Kim is faced with a dliemna - does she show more arse or more cleavage? I suspect modesty will prevail and she'll decide to show more of both.

I'll keep you posted.

Jacks ARSE or Kim's arse. Tough choices. Difficult decisions...

The whole Kardashian thing has escaped me. Are we supposed to be finding arses the size of three attractive now? If so why?

Became fashionable in the past 5-10 years apparently. Can't say why it is supposed to be one of those universally attractive traits now, but there you go.

5-10 years? Try this from 1992: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JphDdGV2TU

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philiph said:

@Roger

FPT

I think Lib Dems joined Cons in the Bercow show today because of the contemptuous and insulting way he dealt with Danny Alexander the other day.

Well, Sir Bob Russell lost my vote today

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Its very cruel of BBC4 to put up a programme on Pakistan Railways for those of a certain passion.

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Floater said:

philiph said:

@Roger

FPT

I think Lib Dems joined Cons in the Bercow show today because of the contemptuous and insulting way he dealt with Danny Alexander the other day.

Well, Sir Bob Russell lost my vote today

Why? I have not seen anything. Did he vote for or against a free secret ballot?

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kle4 said:

tyson said:

kle4 said:

tyson said:

@Roger- on why the LD's are so compliant

Roger- for the same reasons why they didn't object to Clegg not attending the debate and for that matter for slavishly following the Tories in government- this was not a coalition, it was a Tory Govt with the LD's licking their boots, and happy to eat crumbs. Student fees, ha, ha. The LD's have behaved as the fag to the Eton prefects, and they have taken it. ... ...

What's amusing is contrasting that with the ramblings of the hard Tory right convinced Cameron has let the LDs dictate to him far too much.

The Tory right are uncompromising nutters. I bet Cameron wishes he didn't have them.

But surely you can see that the LD's have committed political suicide by cosying to the Tories. They (LD's) made a breakthrough in 2010, and are looking down a cliff now.

I doubt very much that anyone is voting in 2015 for the LD's out of a positive choice. They are voting LD tactically to keep the Tories or Labour out of their seat. This is what the LD's have reduced themselves too- at barely a third of the vote they got last time. And if that is not politically inept, I would hate to see what political ineptness actually is.

They committed political suicide, no question. They assumed they'd get some credit for a job hopefully well done, but they haven't. Politically it has not worked out at all. But it was a proper coalition, it wasn't just them slavishly following the Tories (though opinions will differ on whether they fought too much or not enough - most would say not enough), as silly as the hard Tory right are, the LDs have not been as totally ineffective as you make out either. A combination of not being up to the task, some poor judgement and some bad luck have done for them, but as a coalition it could have been worse. We've had majority governments which were worse, so I look forward to seeing how the LDs react to their crushing in a month - tacking away from the centre left to the full left won't work on me, but it'll be interesting to seeing what happens after Labour start doing so many Toryish things.

Despite logic of coalition being their USP they crossed a rubicon and thought they could get away with not burning their boats. The could and should be still in power after the election with a decent number of MPs and with cabinet ministers if they had actually embraced the govt instead of arguing against it all the time. (They had the DPM and 4 cabinet ministers with the DPM in several key committees. A good deal)
As such they could have thumbed their noses at Labour. They have a lot in common with that select group of dozy tory backbenchers.