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The big polling news in the past hour has been a Tweet from Lord Ashcroft saying that next week he’s publishing a new round of marginals poll of the seats he polled first nearly a year ago. These are the ones with the tightest majorities and the most vulnerable.

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  • You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.
  • And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe. Please Lord can we not have that lisping gimp in No.10.
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,199
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  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    FPT...

    @DavidL

    I get the impression Ed Balls is a reason you may just be able to consider Labour in the GE. The fact he is well regarded by many Conservatives on here is probably doing Labour no favours at all in Scotland mind.
    Is "The Most Annoying Man in UK Politics (tm)" really that well regarded on here? His record in gov and his recent media outings don't bode well. My missus is left of centre, but much like me she despises the man.

    In fact, she is struggling to think who to vote for in the GE. Not Tories natch, but given the Lab front bench just now not Lab either. Libs are a wasted vote (even if they win this seat), and she has been turned off the SNP by the continuous bleating and puerile politics of the "45ers"... At this rate she may well end up abstaining, something she has never done before.
    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe. Please Lord can we not have that lisping gimp in No.10.

    Lisping Gimp is almost exactly how my wife refers to the man. (I would quote exactly, but the naught-word filter may end up smiting me with the banhammer)
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Could Europe Lose Greece to Russia? (Shades of post WW2)
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  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.



  • Edin_RokzEdin_Rokz Posts: 516
    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe. Please Lord can we not have that lisping gimp in No.10.

    Just bring back the great Sir John Major, the last tory to have won a GE
  • There's been some phone polling in Sheffield Hallam in recent days my friends tell me.
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    YG Best PM today:

    DC is supported by: 96% of Cons VI; 5% of LAB; 28% of LD and 33% of UKIP

    EdM is supported by: 60% of LAB; 9% of LD, 6% of UKIP and ZERO of Cons.
  • I wonder if Lord A will poll some Lab head marginals as well such Southampton Itchen.
  • Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    Voting Blue in Twickenham? Good man. Can't risk that idiot Cable getting back into parliament.
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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,131
    edited March 2015
    Good morning, everyone.

    Feels like there's too much polling, to be honest.

    Edited extra bit: and, in more important news, Sauber have lost their appeal. They may have to race Van Der Garde:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/31846217
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    There's been some phone polling in Sheffield Hallam in recent days my friends tell me.

    Probably not Lord A then - his results tend to lag the fieldwork by many days. Could be LD poll trying to find out if Mr Clegg is safe. Was his name mentioned?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,145
    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe. Please Lord can we not have that lisping gimp in No.10.

    Strange to see you supporting the ardent Europhile Soubry.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited March 2015
    Untested pollster(in a GE) polls in marginals with ???? sample sizes, single const sampling is notoriously difficult. Don't bet your house on the outcome.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Morning all and just reviewed the marginal seat table and the Ashcroft results from the past. In half of the most 20 marginal seats, the original Ashcroft Labour lead was under 10%. Pudsey at 22 was the lowest number where the Tories were holding on (it was a tie).

    It's Ipsos Mori today isn't it? The last 2 months have shown Labour leads of 1 and 2.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,023
    edited March 2015

    FPT...


    @DavidL

    I get the impression Ed Balls is a reason you may just be able to consider Labour in the GE. The fact he is well regarded by many Conservatives on here is probably doing Labour no favours at all in Scotland mind.
    Is "The Most Annoying Man in UK Politics (tm)" really that well regarded on here? His record in gov and his recent media outings don't bode well.

    Quite. I actually find Ed Balls particularly and instinctively objectionable in his approach. Perhaps a bit of that is unfair on my part, but something about the man grates with me, and beyond that general impression he is distinctly unimpressive, even if I gather as a political operator he has his strengths.

    Good morning, everyone.

    Feels like there's too much polling, to be honest.

    Heresy.
    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe.

    Sorry to let the side down - I know nothing really of Soubry as an MP, but it's NPXMP all the way for me. Fortunately for her, good wishes have very little currency in these matters.

  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    It will be interesting to see if either TNS or Survation shift from their 7% Labour leads before the General Election. I could see them sticking to their "polling numbers" with big Labour leads even as David Cameron re-enters No 10 on 8th May having won his 2nd general election.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    50 hours 50 minutes 50 seconds

    I swear it was 50/50/50 yesterday.. I must be going mad.
    Indeed.

    You are going bonkers. :smile:

    Thinking of bellwether seats, the JackW dozen seem to be the ones to watch. I suspect that UNS will vary considerably by region and by sub-swings between the ferment of parties. Hopefully Jack can pick this up.

    A few too many are TCTC at present. Is the ARSE going to get off the fence in the final version? Is the final ARSE of this election planned for 5 May?
    The "JackW Dozen" was designed to offer, within the constraints of 13 seats, a broad geographical and party balance of marginal seats when selected a year ago.

    The only seat that has significantly moved out that orbit is Cambridge. It appeared as an interesting three way marginal but will be a comfortable LibDem HOLD.

    Whilst there are 4 TCTC presently all seats are allocated in each forecast. There will be an eve of poll super ARSE issued at 10pm on 6th May.

    Excellent! I shall look forward to seeing it.

    Is a super ARSE one with added PIES (Principal Investigator Electoral Survey)? Will it require a post May 7 DIET (Decisive Income Exchange and Transfer) to Mrs JackW's shoe shopping budget?
    Mrs JackW's shoe budget has at her insistence been ring fenced despite my urging that we're all in this together and my long term economic plan indicated a more regular relationship with a local reputable cobbler.

    Needless to say my case was fatally undermined when I splashed out on a classic horseless carriage not completely unrelated to a make signified by winged B atop the messed grill.

    Oopps. :innocent:
  • rcs1000 said:

    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe. Please Lord can we not have that lisping gimp in No.10.

    Strange to see you supporting the ardent Europhile Soubry.
    Individual MPs' views count for very little. We all know GEs are a team event and 99% of voters are voting for their team. It's and Ed or Dave decision - and should therefore be easy for anyone with a brain to make. Looks like the EU going to blow itself up anyway - it's not sustainable and the extend and pretend regime will not work forever.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Fewer than half (49%) of Labour's 2010 voters think Ed would make the best PM - among current Labour voters its a soaraway 60%.

    In contrast 93% of Conservative voters think Cameron is the man for the job (as do 10% of Lab 2010).

    Those 2010 Lib Dems we're told to keep an eye on - more than twice as many (28%) rate Cameron over Clegg (12%), with Ed getting 19%.

    While UKIP voters, denied the option of Nigel mainly don't know (57%), Cameron (33%) is the only (other) show in town.

    http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/sjv8qo2081/YG-Archive-Pol-Sun-results-110315.pdf
  • Will be interesting to see how the Stockton South poll compares with our own numbers....
  • Will be interesting to see how the Stockton South poll compares with our own numbers....

    Survation had the Tories holding it.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Two of the seats noted in the thread leader, Warwickshire North and Broxtowe, are included in the "JackW Dozen". Both moved in the last two ARSE projections from "Likely Labour GAIN" to "TCTC".
  • weejonnie said:

    There's been some phone polling in Sheffield Hallam in recent days my friends tell me.

    Probably not Lord A then - his results tend to lag the fieldwork by many days. Could be LD poll trying to find out if Mr Clegg is safe. Was his name mentioned?
    Some asked the names some didn't.

    Which makes me think two different pollsters are at work.
  • Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
  • Red/Lib Dem pact is alive on pb.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Edin_Rokz said:

    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe. Please Lord can we not have that lisping gimp in No.10.

    Just bring back the great Sir John Major, the last tory to have won a GE
    Not this ridiculous nonsense again *rolleyes*

    The last Tory to win a majority was Major. The last Tory to have won a GE is the current Prime Minister.

    The notion that it takes a majority to "win" an election is alien to utterly alien to almost all of the democracies in the globe. The winner is the one to get enough seats to be able to take power, which is what Cameron and to a lesser extent Clegg did.
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    Reports Putin has gone into hospital. (CNBC)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    50 hours 50 minutes 50 seconds

    I swear it was 50/50/50 yesterday.. I must be going mad.
    Indeed.

    You are going bonkers. :smile:

    Thinking of bellwether seats, the JackW dozen seem to be the ones to watch. I suspect that UNS will vary considerably by region and by sub-swings between the ferment of parties. Hopefully Jack can pick this up.

    A few too many are TCTC at present. Is the ARSE going to get off the fence in the final version? Is the final ARSE of this election planned for 5 May?
    The "JackW Dozen" was designed to offer, within the constraints of 13 seats, a broad geographical and party balance of marginal seats when selected a year ago.

    The only seat that has significantly moved out that orbit is Cambridge. It appeared as an interesting three way marginal but will be a comfortable LibDem HOLD.

    Whilst there are 4 TCTC presently all seats are allocated in each forecast. There will be an eve of poll super ARSE issued at 10pm on 6th May.

    Excellent! I shall look forward to seeing it.

    Is a super ARSE one with added PIES (Principal Investigator Electoral Survey)? Will it require a post May 7 DIET (Decisive Income Exchange and Transfer) to Mrs JackW's shoe shopping budget?
    Needless to say my case was fatally undermined when I splashed out on a classic horseless carriage not completely unrelated to a make signified by winged B atop the messed grill.
    Cant blame her really, you buying a Volkswagen.......
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,296

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.



    No you won't unless you are registered in Twickenham. Strangely enough it's where you mark your ballot that matters. And you will be voting in Bedford. And the chances of Richard Fuller getting it are, what, about 0%? Whereas Labour's Pat Hall....
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Reports Putin has gone into hospital. (CNBC)

    Hopefully he's in Mid-Staffski with a terminal case of the burhams.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,023

    Edin_Rokz said:

    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe. Please Lord can we not have that lisping gimp in No.10.

    Just bring back the great Sir John Major, the last tory to have won a GE
    Not this ridiculous nonsense again *rolleyes*
    Seconded. There are different levels of victory, and Cameron didn't achieve the best kind, but he did still win.

    Red/Lib Dem pact is alive on pb.

    Hell, I'm only wavering on not abandoning the idea that the Reds could still win a slim majority outright - all sorts of crazy ideas are alive on PB.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    50 hours 50 minutes 50 seconds

    I swear it was 50/50/50 yesterday.. I must be going mad.
    Indeed.

    You are going bonkers. :smile:

    Thinking of bellwether seats, the JackW dozen seem to be the ones to watch. I suspect that UNS will vary considerably by region and by sub-swings between the ferment of parties. Hopefully Jack can pick this up.

    A few too many are TCTC at present. Is the ARSE going to get off the fence in the final version? Is the final ARSE of this election planned for 5 May?
    The "JackW Dozen" was designed to offer, within the constraints of 13 seats, a broad geographical and party balance of marginal seats when selected a year ago.

    The only seat that has significantly moved out that orbit is Cambridge. It appeared as an interesting three way marginal but will be a comfortable LibDem HOLD.

    Whilst there are 4 TCTC presently all seats are allocated in each forecast. There will be an eve of poll super ARSE issued at 10pm on 6th May.

    Excellent! I shall look forward to seeing it.

    Is a super ARSE one with added PIES (Principal Investigator Electoral Survey)? Will it require a post May 7 DIET (Decisive Income Exchange and Transfer) to Mrs JackW's shoe shopping budget?
    Needless to say my case was fatally undermined when I splashed out on a classic horseless carriage not completely unrelated to a make signified by winged B atop the messed grill.
    Cant blame her really, you buying a Volkswagen.......
    Not too sure the "peoples' car" group owned any part of WO's in the 1920's.

  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164
    This horrid notion of vote swapping make anyone else feel uneasy?
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,807
    rcs1000 said:

    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe. Please Lord can we not have that lisping gimp in No.10.

    Strange to see you supporting the ardent Europhile Soubry.
    Still no LibDem candidate in Broxtowe though.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,296

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    I don't know but I suspect that might be against electoral law by violating the secrecy of the ballot.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,341

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    Another reason for banning postal votes.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited March 2015
    Mortimer said:

    This horrid notion of vote swapping make anyone else feel uneasy?

    Why? I don't want to waste my vote and the other party doesn't want to waste his.

    This is a direct product of first past the post. It enables both of us to feel that our votes are being used where they'll have most impact without undermining the overall national vote shares for our parties. A perfect solution.

  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    rcs1000 said:

    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe. Please Lord can we not have that lisping gimp in No.10.

    Strange to see you supporting the ardent Europhile Soubry.
    Still no LibDem candidate in Broxtowe though.
    There has been a Lib Dem candidate adopted in Broxtowe for around a month now
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    JohnO said:

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    I don't know but I suspect that might be against electoral law by violating the secrecy of the ballot.
    If I do get jailed I hope they'll let me continue to run PB from my cell.

  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,199

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    But how do you demonstrate that the forms are subsequently posted?
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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    RobD said:

    JackW said:

    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    50 hours 50 minutes 50 seconds

    I swear it was 50/50/50 yesterday.. I must be going mad.
    Indeed.

    You are going bonkers. :smile:

    Thinking of bellwether seats, the JackW dozen seem to be the ones to watch. I suspect that UNS will vary considerably by region and by sub-swings between the ferment of parties. Hopefully Jack can pick this up.

    A few too many are TCTC at present. Is the ARSE going to get off the fence in the final version? Is the final ARSE of this election planned for 5 May?
    The "JackW Dozen" was designed to offer, within the constraints of 13 seats, a broad geographical and party balance of marginal seats when selected a year ago.

    The only seat that has significantly moved out that orbit is Cambridge. It appeared as an interesting three way marginal but will be a comfortable LibDem HOLD.

    Whilst there are 4 TCTC presently all seats are allocated in each forecast. There will be an eve of poll super ARSE issued at 10pm on 6th May.

    Excellent! I shall look forward to seeing it.

    Is a super ARSE one with added PIES (Principal Investigator Electoral Survey)? Will it require a post May 7 DIET (Decisive Income Exchange and Transfer) to Mrs JackW's shoe shopping budget?
    Needless to say my case was fatally undermined when I splashed out on a classic horseless carriage not completely unrelated to a make signified by winged B atop the messed grill.
    Cant blame her really, you buying a Volkswagen.......
    Not too sure the "peoples' car" group owned any part of WO's in the 1920's.

    Fair enough - its a very fast lorry then!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,807

    rcs1000 said:

    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe. Please Lord can we not have that lisping gimp in No.10.

    Strange to see you supporting the ardent Europhile Soubry.
    Still no LibDem candidate in Broxtowe though.
    There has been a Lib Dem candidate adopted in Broxtowe for around a month now
    Their website simply says there will be an announcement at the end of March.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,296

    JohnO said:

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    I don't know but I suspect that might be against electoral law by violating the secrecy of the ballot.
    If I do get jailed I hope they'll let me continue to run PB from my cell.

    Perhaps but I'll arrange for James Kelly and Mick Pork to be among your regular visitors.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    Are you sure that is legal, Mike?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,164

    Mortimer said:

    This horrid notion of vote swapping make anyone else feel uneasy?

    Why? I don't want to waste my vote and the other party doesn't want to waste his.

    This is a direct product of first past the post. It enables both of us to feel that our votes are being used where they'll have most impact without undermining the overall national vote shares for our parties. A perfect solution.

    Trying my hardest not to sound pious or holier than thou Mike, it makes me think that you want the benefits of living in Bedford and the privileges of voting in Twickenham...
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    JohnO said:

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    I don't know but I suspect that might be against electoral law by violating the secrecy of the ballot.
    It's a secret ballot if the voter wishes it so to be.

    May I enquire as to where you are exercising your franchise - Surrey or a coastal town in Dorset ?

  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,368
    Mr Smithson,

    "Why? I don't want to waste my vote and the other party doesn't want to waste his."

    There is a risk here. I did the same thing in 2001 when I voted LD on the basis a friend would vote Labour in another constituency.

    Alas ... I went on to vote LD thereafter.

    You allegiance could change forever, even at your advanced age. You could become Red Mike.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited March 2015
    I think this is the right link to the last time these were polled, in July 2014, although the lists of constituencies do not match exactly. The results then (lead and party in first given) were:
    Amber Valley             | 4% Lab
    Broxtowe | 9% Lab
    Cardiff North | 11% Lab
    Great Yarmouth | 2% Con over UKIP, Lab 5% behind in third
    Hendon | 15% Lab
    Lancaster & Fleetwood | 14% Lab, Greens on 10%
    Morecambe & Lunesdale | 3% Lab
    North Warwickshire | 11% Lab
    Sherwood | 9% Lab
    Stockton South | 3% Lab
    Thanet South | 4% UKIP (Lab and Con tied)
    Thurrock | 6% UKIP lead over Lab, Con 8% behind in third
    Waveney | 9% Lab
    Wolverhampton South West | 16% Lab
    The Conservatives are only up marginally compared to last July. The largest changes have been a decline in the Labour share and an increase in the Green and UKIP shares. It's worth remembering that this was before the defections of Carswell and Reckless to UKIP and the boost their by-election victories gave to the purples.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    I can't remember who predicted Farage would resort to saying ever more outrageous and stupid things closer to the the election just to get some attention.

    They were not wrong
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    Does his tweet suggest the polling already exists?

    Fieldwork mid-January at a guess?

    It's his money I suppose.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    "UKIP continue to look like the most liberal party in Westminster. "

    http://www.liberal-vision.org/2015/03/11/plain-packs-roll-of-honour/
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    rcs1000 said:

    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe. Please Lord can we not have that lisping gimp in No.10.

    Strange to see you supporting the ardent Europhile Soubry.
    Still no LibDem candidate in Broxtowe though.
    There has been a Lib Dem candidate adopted in Broxtowe for around a month now
    Their website simply says there will be an announcement at the end of March.
    Local councillor Stan Heptinstall was selected several weeks ago , you should consult Andy JS comprehensive lists and postings on the vote2012 website
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,104
    Morning all :)

    Last time I looked it was a democracy and people could do with their vote as they saw fit. I will be wasting mine in East Ham as will all the non-Labour voters but I will vote.

    The mood among some of the Tories on here would have you believe they are over the finishing line and already working out the size of the majority. I would regard two years of Conservative introspection on Europe as a disaster for this country and on this I have some sympathy with the UKIP line - a simple in/Out Referendum could and should have happened by now and even as a LD, I've found Nick Clegg's obfuscation profoundly unsatisfactory (though he's not alone in that).

    The assumption of majority and the routine belittling of opponents is fair enough but IF the Conservatives come up short, where are their allies or partners in the next HoC ? We know the potential for a LAB-SNP deal is there and that could very well have more MPs than the Conservatives on their own.

    There's no assumption in my mind that the LDs or the DUP will rally to the Conservative cause either (though that doesn't mean either will rally to Ed M either) so even if the Conservatives are around 300, assuming the LDs are down to 25 (which some on here seem to think is a) optimistic and b) 25 seats too many) that puts 30 seats in the LAB-SNP camp (SNP gains from the LDs in Scotland (duh) and LAB gains from the LDs elsewhere).

    Fot the purposes of this, I've assumed CON gains from the LDs are balanced by CON losses to LAB so you come out as CON 300 LAB 250 SNP 50 LD 25 OTHERS 25.

    So it's down to PC (with LAB/SNP you'd think), the single Green and UKIP MPs (cancel each other out), the Speaker (irrelevant) and the Ulster MPs and the LDs.

    The fun starts in approximately 1,356 hours from now (to borrow a JackW ism).
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Even with the recent Tory improvement, I don't see why there would be much change in these marginals as the polling in England hasn't changed that much from the middle of last year. Maybe 1-1.5% knocked off the Con-> Lab swing.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Scott_P said:

    I can't remember who predicted Farage would resort to saying ever more outrageous and stupid things closer to the the election just to get some attention.

    They were not wrong

    I'm not so sure it's outrageous as excessively optimistic about how much we've changed. It would be wonderful to get to the point where racial discrimination laws are no longer needed, but I fear we're not there yet. It's nice that we've got to the point where that conversation can started to be had, however.

    Labour's position on it is puzzling: they claim not punishing discrimination is the worst thing a politician has ever backed, yet they themselves back an official policy of discrimination for the Metropolitan Police.

    It seems like the only sensible party on racial politics is the Conservatives.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,296
    JackW said:

    JohnO said:

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    I don't know but I suspect that might be against electoral law by violating the secrecy of the ballot.
    It's a secret ballot if the voter wishes it so to be.

    May I enquire as to where you are exercising your franchise - Surrey or a coastal town in Dorset ?

    I shall be casting a block vote of 10,000 devoted Hershamites for Central Office to distribute to which ever constituencies they deem most efficacious.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    @Mike_Smithson If these seats were the ones polled, what sort of lead do you think Lab would need to have at this stage to be safe from any possible swingback to the Tories?
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,368


    Farage saying "British jobs for British workers"

    That "racist" remark sounds familiar. Has he said it before?
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The story and proper thread this morning is Nigel Farage's brilliant counter-punch, even if unintended:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31846453
    UKIP would scrap much of the legislation designed to prevent racial discrimination in work, party leader Nigel Farage has said.

    But can't stay and debate - things to do - will be back by tea-time. Tarrah!
  • Mortimer said:

    This horrid notion of vote swapping make anyone else feel uneasy?

    Why? I don't want to waste my vote and the other party doesn't want to waste his.

    This is a direct product of first past the post. It enables both of us to feel that our votes are being used where they'll have most impact without undermining the overall national vote shares for our parties. A perfect solution.

    So would you support the parties adopting that strategy publicly? Identifying LD voters in, say, Hampstead (Lab-Con marginal) who will agree to vote Conservative there in return for a Conservative in, say, Brent East agreeing to vote LD?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    What I find annoying about Mr Balls is his hectoring manner. I don't feel he's trying to engage me in a debate but to browbeat me. I instinctively react in a negative way to anyone who tries to dominate me in such an unsophisticated way.

    I feel insulted by it. It's so thuggish.
    kle4 said:

    FPT...


    @DavidL

    I get the impression Ed Balls is a reason you may just be able to consider Labour in the GE. The fact he is well regarded by many Conservatives on here is probably doing Labour no favours at all in Scotland mind.
    Is "The Most Annoying Man in UK Politics (tm)" really that well regarded on here? His record in gov and his recent media outings don't bode well.
    Quite. I actually find Ed Balls particularly and instinctively objectionable in his approach. Perhaps a bit of that is unfair on my part, but something about the man grates with me, and beyond that general impression he is distinctly unimpressive, even if I gather as a political operator he has his strengths.

    Good morning, everyone.

    Feels like there's too much polling, to be honest.

    Heresy.
    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe.

    Sorry to let the side down - I know nothing really of Soubry as an MP, but it's NPXMP all the way for me. Fortunately for her, good wishes have very little currency in these matters.



  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Hislop says private-state school gap widening
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-31804119

    He has some very fair and astute points which will not be welcomed by the liberal intelligensia.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    Fewer than half (49%) of Labour's 2010 voters think Ed would make the best PM - among current Labour voters its a soaraway 60%.

    In contrast 93% of Conservative voters think Cameron is the man for the job (as do 10% of Lab 2010).

    Those 2010 Lib Dems we're told to keep an eye on - more than twice as many (28%) rate Cameron over Clegg (12%), with Ed getting 19%.

    While UKIP voters, denied the option of Nigel mainly don't know (57%), Cameron (33%) is the only (other) show in town.

    http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/document/sjv8qo2081/YG-Archive-Pol-Sun-results-110315.pdf

    The 'do you approve of the government's record' question seems to perfectly track the Conservative VI numbers. Supports the notion that LDs get zero credit for any good things the gov't does.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,527


    The notion that it takes a majority to "win" an election is alien to utterly alien to almost all of the democracies in the globe. The winner is the one to get enough seats to be able to take power, which is what Cameron and to a lesser extent Clegg did.

    Absolutely.
    I'm sure the PB Tories will be as resolute in acknowledging a Miliband victory, whatever the make up of his patchwork quilt.

  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    CD13 said:



    Farage saying "British jobs for British workers"

    That "racist" remark sounds familiar. Has he said it before?

    Farage's most blatant dog whistle yet. If people want to support and cheerlead for this crass ignorant nasty barsteward they are welcome.
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    edited March 2015
    Plato said:

    What I find annoying about Mr Balls is his hectoring manner. I don't feel he's trying to engage me in a debate but to browbeat me. I instinctively react in a negative way to anyone who tries to dominate me in such an unsophisticated way.

    I feel insulted by it. It's so thuggish.

    kle4 said:

    FPT...


    @DavidL

    I get the impression Ed Balls is a reason you may just be able to consider Labour in the GE. The fact he is well regarded by many Conservatives on here is probably doing Labour no favours at all in Scotland mind.
    Is "The Most Annoying Man in UK Politics (tm)" really that well regarded on here? His record in gov and his recent media outings don't bode well.
    Quite. I actually find Ed Balls particularly and instinctively objectionable in his approach. Perhaps a bit of that is unfair on my part, but something about the man grates with me, and beyond that general impression he is distinctly unimpressive, even if I gather as a political operator he has his strengths.

    Good morning, everyone.

    Feels like there's too much polling, to be honest.

    Heresy.
    Patrick said:

    And, stout fellow though he is, we must all hope NPXMP fails to dislodge La Soubry in Broxtowe.

    Sorry to let the side down - I know nothing really of Soubry as an MP, but it's NPXMP all the way for me. Fortunately for her, good wishes have very little currency in these matters.



    Also the dishonesty. When McBride smeared Cameron over Ivan, Balls referred to him as "Mr McBride" like he didn't know him, even though they sat at desks six feet away from one another.

    And the hypocrisy - having got his own selective education in the bag he now opposes it for anybody else.

    And the troughing.

    Creep.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Bond_James_Bond

    Look on it as an act of AV sanity in a mad FPTP world.
    (or not, if you desire)
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    That's illegal isn't it? You can't share identifiable information about your vote.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Alistair said:

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    That's illegal isn't it? You can't share identifiable information about your vote.
    By illegal I mean would void your vote.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    JohnO said:

    JackW said:

    JohnO said:

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    I don't know but I suspect that might be against electoral law by violating the secrecy of the ballot.
    It's a secret ballot if the voter wishes it so to be.

    May I enquire as to where you are exercising your franchise - Surrey or a coastal town in Dorset ?

    I shall be casting a block vote of 10,000 devoted Hershamites for Central Office to distribute to which ever constituencies they deem most efficacious.
    I hoped you'd come up with a cunning plan but 10,000 extra votes for Viscount Thurso will only increase his majority to 14,000 which as cunning plans go may appear somewhat less cunning that you had hoped.

    Perhaps spread your electoral largesse in Clacton, Rochester and Thanet South ?

  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,368
    Flightpath,

    "Farage's most blatant dog whistle yet. If people want to support and cheerlead for this crass ignorant nasty barsteward they are welcome."

    So Gordon is the bigot too?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Last time I looked it was a democracy and people could do with their vote as they saw fit. I will be wasting mine in East Ham as will all the non-Labour voters but I will vote.

    ....

    Fot the purposes of this, I've assumed CON gains from the LDs are balanced by CON losses to LAB so you come out as CON 300 LAB 250 SNP 50 LD 25 OTHERS 25.

    So it's down to PC (with LAB/SNP you'd think), the single Green and UKIP MPs (cancel each other out), the Speaker (irrelevant) and the Ulster MPs and the LDs.

    The fun starts in approximately 1,356 hours from now (to borrow a JackW ism).

    As long as people refuse to vote for a clearly racist UKIP party then the tories can get a majority. But the tories getting a majority is increasingly becoming the least important issue. The clear issue is how readily British voters will reward racist sentiment.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626

    Mortimer said:

    This horrid notion of vote swapping make anyone else feel uneasy?

    Why? I don't want to waste my vote and the other party doesn't want to waste his.

    This is a direct product of first past the post. It enables both of us to feel that our votes are being used where they'll have most impact without undermining the overall national vote shares for our parties. A perfect solution.

    So would you support the parties adopting that strategy publicly? Identifying LD voters in, say, Hampstead (Lab-Con marginal) who will agree to vote Conservative there in return for a Conservative in, say, Brent East agreeing to vote LD?
    I could knock-up a website/App for that - VoteExchange2015 or something. Login and it will tell you the details of the last vote in your constituency. You can then register your preference and "sell" your vote in exchange for somebody voting that way in a marginal with your party in with a chance...
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    CD13 said:



    Farage saying "British jobs for British workers"

    That "racist" remark sounds familiar. Has he said it before?

    Only if Nigel is a reincarnation of Gordon Brown.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738
    Hope everyone got on the Corals offer - you can now arb it for a tenner profit roughly each way on the exchange.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738
    JackW said:

    JohnO said:

    JackW said:

    JohnO said:

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    I don't know but I suspect that might be against electoral law by violating the secrecy of the ballot.
    It's a secret ballot if the voter wishes it so to be.

    May I enquire as to where you are exercising your franchise - Surrey or a coastal town in Dorset ?

    I shall be casting a block vote of 10,000 devoted Hershamites for Central Office to distribute to which ever constituencies they deem most efficacious.
    I hoped you'd come up with a cunning plan but 10,000 extra votes for Viscount Thurso will only increase his majority to 14,000 which as cunning plans go may appear somewhat less cunning that you had hoped.

    Perhaps spread your electoral largesse in Clacton, Rochester and Thanet South ?

    @JackW Do you honestly think Viscount Thurso can hold ? I know he has a decent personal vote and all but it'll probably only make his loss look less bad.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    That's illegal isn't it? You can't share identifiable information about your vote.
    By illegal I mean would void your vote.
    Turns out I'm wrong, only applies to voting paper in the polling booth. You can happily send pictures of postal ballots.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited March 2015

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    Last time I looked it was a democracy and people could do with their vote as they saw fit. I will be wasting mine in East Ham as will all the non-Labour voters but I will vote.

    ....

    Fot the purposes of this, I've assumed CON gains from the LDs are balanced by CON losses to LAB so you come out as CON 300 LAB 250 SNP 50 LD 25 OTHERS 25.

    So it's down to PC (with LAB/SNP you'd think), the single Green and UKIP MPs (cancel each other out), the Speaker (irrelevant) and the Ulster MPs and the LDs.

    The fun starts in approximately 1,356 hours from now (to borrow a JackW ism).

    As long as people refuse to vote for a clearly racist UKIP party then the tories can get a majority. But the tories getting a majority is increasingly becoming the least important issue. The clear issue is how readily British voters will reward racist sentiment.
    Perhaps you could identify which UKIP policies you consider racist?

    http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    It seems like Nigel Farage is now trying to walk back his comments, stating that he was talking about nationality, rather than race.

    That does not quite fit with how he answered a direct question about race or colour further down.

    I note that Sadiq Khan said there were 'No blacks, no dogs, no Irish' signs when his parents came to London. Were such signs really still about in the 1950s? I was under the impression they were a 19th Century thing.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,446

    I think this is the right link to the last time these were polled, in July 2014, although the lists of constituencies do not match exactly. The results then (lead and party in first given) were:

    Amber Valley             | 4% Lab
    Broxtowe | 9% Lab
    Cardiff North | 11% Lab
    Great Yarmouth | 2% Con over UKIP, Lab 5% behind in third
    Hendon | 15% Lab
    Lancaster & Fleetwood | 14% Lab, Greens on 10%
    Morecambe & Lunesdale | 3% Lab
    North Warwickshire | 11% Lab
    Sherwood | 9% Lab
    Stockton South | 3% Lab
    Thanet South | 4% UKIP (Lab and Con tied)
    Thurrock | 6% UKIP lead over Lab, Con 8% behind in third
    Waveney | 9% Lab
    Wolverhampton South West | 16% Lab
    The Conservatives are only up marginally compared to last July. The largest changes have been a decline in the Labour share and an increase in the Green and UKIP shares. It's worth remembering that this was before the defections of Carswell and Reckless to UKIP and the boost their by-election victories gave to the purples.
    Labour was polling at 35-38% back then, in July 2014, with an average 3-4% lead over the Conservatives.

    So I'd find any Ashcroft poll for a constituency with a Labour lead of 8% or less last time potentially in play, which might make the results for Waveney, Sherwood and Broxtowe of particular interest.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    That's illegal isn't it? You can't share identifiable information about your vote.
    By illegal I mean would void your vote.
    Turns out I'm wrong, only applies to voting paper in the polling booth. You can happily send pictures of postal ballots.
    I've got a vote in NE Derbyshire - since I'm not of any particular conviction in this election I'll happily do a "Smithson" on it for a free pint or whatnot.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.



    Have you ever considered that what you are doing is unfair and unethical?

    The people of Twickenham have the right to choose they want to represent their interests in Parliament.

    You are taking that away from them because you believe that your personal desire to maximise the number of LibDem MPs is more important than their rights.

    How unbelievably selfish.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited March 2015
    I feel I've walked into a parallel universe this morning. A well known polling/political commentator is advocating manipulating votes across constituencies? Not just tactical voting but vote swapping to influence the outcome of a General Election.

    Please tell me that I've got this whole conversation wrong. Otherwise, I'm truly appalled on so many levels. It makes swapping speeding points with your wife seem trivial.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    That's illegal isn't it? You can't share identifiable information about your vote.
    By illegal I mean would void your vote.
    Turns out I'm wrong, only applies to voting paper in the polling booth. You can happily send pictures of postal ballots.
    I've got a vote in NE Derbyshire - since I'm not of any particular conviction in this election I'll happily do a "Smithson" on it for a free pint or whatnot.
    Ah now that MUST be illegal. Swapping your vote for a reward is surely illegal ???
    The other thing is that tradition dictates any selfie if your vote must be done in your Y-Fronts.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,341
    Right now vote swapping isn't an issue because it's lefties swapping Labour and Lib Dem votes. In futures it could be right wing Tories and Kippers swapping votes and you can bet your bottom dollar that the left won't like that.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,368
    After reading the transcript of Farage's words, Labour need to be careful with their usual hyperbole. They'll play it up as the worst and most racist thing ever said and encourage more people to see the programme.

    Farage gets more publicity and Labour could end up looking like hysterics.

    A big if unintended elephant trap and Labour will be pushing each other out the way to leap into it.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited March 2015
    Mortimer said:

    This horrid notion of vote swapping make anyone else feel uneasy?

    Yes. It's on a par with some clever tax avoidance wheeze. Legal yet dirty.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Desperate times, desperate measures.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,224
    CD13 said:

    Flightpath,

    "Farage's most blatant dog whistle yet. If people want to support and cheerlead for this crass ignorant nasty barsteward they are welcome."

    So Gordon is the bigot too?

    I'm not sure it's the same. Farage appears to be talking about 'British born' workers; thus excluding people who have immigrated and got citizenship. I think Brown's comments were about British workers.

    A significant difference.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    edited March 2015
    JEO said:

    It seems like Nigel Farage is now trying to walk back his comments, stating that he was talking about nationality, rather than race.

    That does not quite fit with how he answered a direct question about race or colour further down.

    I note that Sadiq Khan said there were 'No blacks, no dogs, no Irish' signs when his parents came to London. Were such signs really still about in the 1950s? I was under the impression they were a 19th Century thing.

    My childhood memory is that they were around in the 50's. My guess is that there was less rather than more discrimination in the 19th century, but thats only a guess.

    PS - As for 'rowing back' this is just typical Farage. Throw out the dog whistle and then make the excuse of some sort afterwards. His quoted remark seemed pretty clear to me.
  • CD13 said:



    Farage saying "British jobs for British workers"

    That "racist" remark sounds familiar. Has he said it before?

    Possibly, but before that Gordon Broon said it and before that it was a National Front slogan in the 1970s.

    It's up there with Labour nonsense like "Forward not back" and "Forward with Britain" that means exactly nothing in terms of what specifically it promises to deliver (nothing). It's just a football chant really.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,224

    Mortimer said:

    This horrid notion of vote swapping make anyone else feel uneasy?

    Yes.
    I'll swap my vote with ten PBers. ;-)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,738

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    Patrick said:

    You will, of course, be voting blue in Bedford Mike! Can't risk an Ed premiership.

    I am voting in Twickenham. I've swapped my vote and will do what the other party to the swap wants.
    You hope. You will never know for certain if the other person follows through with their part.
    And vice versa.

    But we are both voting by post and will exchange pics of ballot forms.

    That's illegal isn't it? You can't share identifiable information about your vote.
    By illegal I mean would void your vote.
    Turns out I'm wrong, only applies to voting paper in the polling booth. You can happily send pictures of postal ballots.
    I've got a vote in NE Derbyshire - since I'm not of any particular conviction in this election I'll happily do a "Smithson" on it for a free pint or whatnot.
    Ah now that MUST be illegal. Swapping your vote for a reward is surely illegal ???
    The other thing is that tradition dictates any selfie if your vote must be done in your Y-Fronts.
    I'll probably end up voting Tory. Or maybe Lib Dem, perhaps UKIP. Definitely not Labour. Don't think the Greens are actually standing here.
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