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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Opinium and ComRes both have LAB retaining its leads. YouGov is still to come

LAB retains 2% lead in latest Opinium poll for the Observer
LAB 35+1
CON 33+1
LD 8+1
UKIP 14-1
GRN 6-2

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  • First again!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited February 2015
    Second - drat
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Neil Henderson ✔ @hendopolis

    OBSERVER: Clarke - Tory party must shun wealthy donors #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/kQtyaz0P0E

    Clarke puts the tories on the back foot yet again.
  • YouGov poll

    Who do you blame for the current tax avoidance scandal

    Current Coalition Government 14%

    Last Labour Government 21%

    Both 44%

    Neither 7%

    DK 14%
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584


    Neil Henderson ✔ @hendopolis

    OBSERVER: Clarke - Tory party must shun wealthy donors #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/kQtyaz0P0E

    Clarke puts the tories on the back foot yet again.


    Whose side is he on?

  • @TSEofPB: YouGov poll for the Sunday Times on the current tax story

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hZh3IMAAERFy.jpg
  • Indeed, Mr. Hopkins. It's either disloyal from Clarke, or rather stupid.
  • YouGov poll

    Who do you blame for the current tax avoidance scandal

    Current Coalition Government 14%

    Last Labour Government 21%

    Both 44%

    Neither 7%

    DK 14%

    Crickey...
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362


    Neil Henderson ✔ @hendopolis

    OBSERVER: Clarke - Tory party must shun wealthy donors #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers pic.twitter.com/kQtyaz0P0E

    Clarke puts the tories on the back foot yet again.


    Whose side is he on?

    Well every time he opens his gob,it's never helpful to Cameron.

  • SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    Tykejohnno Actually sensible comments by Clarke as Mitt Romney showed having a campaign war chest full of donations from billionaires and multi millionaires is of little use if swing voters think you are not on their side
  • SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg

    Here we go!
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg

    Do we know what donor ?

  • SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg

    Tomorrow news not to be seen or heard of on the BBC....
  • Where's my YG poll, TSE? :)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,384

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg

    Who is it?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    @TSEofPB: YouGov poll for the Sunday Times on the current tax story

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hZh3IMAAERFy.jpg

    That's the sound of the PAYE army coming with torches and pitchforks to the bankers' party.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Evening all and I am starting to think people being polled are taking the piss out of the pollsters. How can the same people say they intend to vote e.g. Labour but heavily back David Cameron as PM and to win the election. Either that or lots of them intend to be reckless and are relying on others to "do the right thing".
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    Also, just been to see 'American Sniper'. It was gripping, one of Clint Eastwood's best films and can well see why it has done so well in the US heartland at the box office
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861

    YouGov poll

    Who do you blame for the current tax avoidance scandal

    Current Coalition Government 14%

    Last Labour Government 21%

    Both 44%

    Neither 7%

    DK 14%

    Crickey...
    Michael Crickey?

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg

    Tomorrow news not to be seen or heard of on the BBC....
    Yep.

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Tykejohnno
    The problem is that there is always the suspicion that "he who pays the piper...."
    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/14/ow-over-arlboro-funded-research-that-undermined-plain-cigarette-packs

    A positive for state party funding is that we could have it set independently, and at a very low level to discourage the burgers from spamming us constantly for weeks?
  • saddosaddo Posts: 534

    YouGov poll

    Who do you blame for the current tax avoidance scandal

    Current Coalition Government 14%

    Last Labour Government 21%

    Both 44%

    Neither 7%

    DK 14%

    Crickey...
    Surprised Labour isn't a lot higher when you know the facts

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hsbc-leaks-since-when-do-banks-know-what-their-clients-get-up-to-10042828.html
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    stjohn said:

    YouGov poll

    Who do you blame for the current tax avoidance scandal

    Current Coalition Government 14%

    Last Labour Government 21%

    Both 44%

    Neither 7%

    DK 14%

    Crickey...
    Michael Crickey?

    It's just not Crickey!
  • Dair said:

    Any prospect of a labour-snp coalition during the heat of the campaign in April will cause chaos in England with a sharp move to back the conservatives to prevent a constitutional crisis. I understand some English labour MPs are threatening to sit on the opposition benches if Ed Miliband goes anywhere near this proposition realising the anger that could befall them from their constituants

    This straw grasping is based on a complete misconception.

    While there might be 50% animosity to SNP support of Labour, it's not 50% of Labour supporters. Or even many. The people who even consider this as an electoral issue are not going to be voting Labour under any circumstances.
    Cammo's 'go to bed with Nigel wakeup with Ed' is I guess based on going after soft UKIP voters not the ones you mention. The thought of Salmond controlling Westminster and Downing St may give heebie jeebies to some soft ukips. That at any rate is prob the idea.
  • In regard to the decline in UKIPs vote, I doubt if their leadership will be too concerned given that their vote does tend to decline in periods when they are relatively inactive and there are no elections taking place. Below is the monthly averages in their polling totals going back to the start of 2013. The first two peaks coincide with the annual election periods and their aftermath and the third (their highest monthly averages so far) coincides with UKIPs first fully televised conference and two successful by-election victories. Not only that but at this point UKIP are still roughly 2 points higher on average than they were this time last year.

    31/01/2013 9.80
    28/02/2013 9.72
    28/03/2013 12.47
    30/04/2013 12.53
    31/05/2013 15.88
    28/06/2013 14.14
    31/07/2013 12.78
    31/08/2013 12.22
    30/09/2013 11.42
    31/10/2013 11.52
    29/11/2013 11.92
    22/12/2013 11.50
    31/01/2014 12.50
    28/02/2014 12.48
    31/03/2014 12.35
    30/04/2014 13.88
    30/05/2014 14.71
    30/06/2014 14.89
    31/07/2014 13.05
    31/08/2014 13.41
    30/09/2014 14.80
    30/10/2014 16.02
    30/11/2014 16.05
    22/12/2014 15.52
    30/01/2015 15.24
    12/02/2015 14.33

    Clearly the key period will be the formal campaign where UKIP will have published its manifesto and receive equal coverage to the other parties.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,384

    Evening all and I am starting to think people being polled are taking the piss out of the pollsters. How can the same people say they intend to vote e.g. Labour but heavily back David Cameron as PM and to win the election. Either that or lots of them intend to be reckless and are relying on others to "do the right thing".

    It seems to be a genuine dilemma for people. They want Cameron to remain as Prime Minister but they want a Labour government too.

    Irresistible force meeting immovable object.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,034

    YouGov poll

    Who do you blame for the current tax avoidance scandal

    Current Coalition Government 14%

    Last Labour Government 21%

    Both 44%

    Neither 7%

    DK 14%

    That's strangely satisfying.
    Especially as I've had my interest piqued sufficiently to look at the actual details and it's very noticeable that the Coalition Government have actually been the most assiduous and successful at chasing down tax evasion and avoidance.

    And Miliband certainly knows that. It's a little depressing that I had a lot of time for him back at the start. Now I hold him in genuine contempt.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    HYUFD said:

    Tykejohnno Actually sensible comments by Clarke as Mitt Romney showed having a campaign war chest full of donations from billionaires and multi millionaires is of little use if swing voters think you are not on their side

    Not helpful though to a run up to a GE.

  • The Labour Donor on the front page of the Telegraph is Dale Vince.

    He was in the papers the other day

    The renewable energy company Ecotricity is giving £250,000 to the Labour party, and has accused the government of being deceitful on climate and energy policy.

    Dale Vince, founder of Ecotricity, said he felt compelled to act because there was “an existential threat from a second-term Tory government”. He said it was a myth that Labour was anti-business and praised the party’s leader, Ed Miliband, for standing up for renewables and taking a “pro-people” approach to banking and energy markets reform.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/10/ecotricity-gives-250000-to-labour-amid-existential-threat-from-tories
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg

    Had to happen really.

    Trust Ed will throw him under the buss and say he is "dodgy" forthwith
  • Conservative Minority 5/1
    Labour Minority 5/1

    Combined 2/1

    Someone tell me who is going to get into coalition with either?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited February 2015

    The Labour Donor on the front page of the Telegraph is Dale Vince.

    He was in the papers the other day

    The renewable energy company Ecotricity is giving £250,000 to the Labour party, and has accused the government of being deceitful on climate and energy policy.

    Dale Vince, founder of Ecotricity, said he felt compelled to act because there was “an existential threat from a second-term Tory government”. He said it was a myth that Labour was anti-business and praised the party’s leader, Ed Miliband, for standing up for renewables and taking a “pro-people” approach to banking and energy markets reform.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/10/ecotricity-gives-250000-to-labour-amid-existential-threat-from-tories

    So that is one of two of Ed business backers and the other bloke isn't a business man anymore....

    Also Vince let it out of the bag, he said the Tories were against on-shore windfarms, which his business really needs so that capacity of renewables is increased.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    YouGov poll

    Who do you blame for the current tax avoidance scandal

    Current Coalition Government 14%

    Last Labour Government 21%

    Both 44%

    Neither 7%

    DK 14%

    And Labour still can't figure why they aren't ten points ahead of the baby-eaters....

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Dair said:

    Any prospect of a labour-snp coalition during the heat of the campaign in April will cause chaos in England with a sharp move to back the conservatives to prevent a constitutional crisis. I understand some English labour MPs are threatening to sit on the opposition benches if Ed Miliband goes anywhere near this proposition realising the anger that could befall them from their constituants

    This straw grasping is based on a complete misconception.

    While there might be 50% animosity to SNP support of Labour, it's not 50% of Labour supporters. Or even many. The people who even consider this as an electoral issue are not going to be voting Labour under any circumstances.
    Cammo's 'go to bed with Nigel wakeup with Ed' is I guess based on going after soft UKIP voters not the ones you mention. The thought of Salmond controlling Westminster and Downing St may give heebie jeebies to some soft ukips. That at any rate is prob the idea.
    When I offered you EVS about the Tories in Rochester, and you called them "rubbish odds" and said you could get better with a bookie.,, where were you referring to?

    I might fancy the Blues at Odds against
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    YouGov poll

    Who do you blame for the current tax avoidance scandal

    Current Coalition Government 14%

    Last Labour Government 21%

    Both 44%

    Neither 7%

    DK 14%

    Crickey...
    Crickey indeed.

    I think that the first time I've ever been in the majority on every question ;)
  • Who do you blame for the current tax avoidance scandal

    Current Coalition Government 14%

    Last Labour Government 21%

    But, but, but - this was Ed's game changer!
  • YouGov poll

    Who do you blame for the current tax avoidance scandal

    Current Coalition Government 14%

    Last Labour Government 21%

    Both 44%

    Neither 7%

    DK 14%

    That's strangely satisfying.
    Especially as I've had my interest piqued sufficiently to look at the actual details and it's very noticeable that the Coalition Government have actually been the most assiduous and successful at chasing down tax evasion and avoidance.

    And Miliband certainly knows that. It's a little depressing that I had a lot of time for him back at the start. Now I hold him in genuine contempt.
    Mike's put the rest of the poll findings into the thread header.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited February 2015
    Floater said:

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg

    Had to happen really.

    Trust Ed will throw him under the buss and say he is "dodgy" forthwith
    I can see him demanding a full inquiry, just after he gets around to announcing a full inquiry into the hacking by Daily Mirror....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    GIN1138 said:

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg

    Who is it?

    Bastard wind farmers....
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Evening all and I am starting to think people being polled are taking the piss out of the pollsters. How can the same people say they intend to vote e.g. Labour but heavily back David Cameron as PM and to win the election. Either that or lots of them intend to be reckless and are relying on others to "do the right thing".

    My view is that the campaign won't change much because everyone is bored of politics and dislikes everyone equally.

    But when they get to fill in the ballot, they will think "Cameron or Miliband?" and choose accordingly.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Pulpstar said:

    @TSEofPB: YouGov poll for the Sunday Times on the current tax story

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hZh3IMAAERFy.jpg

    That's the sound of the PAYE army coming with torches and pitchforks to the bankers' party.
    Can I just point out that they are not f**king bankers!

    (As my father pointed out to me, one day, when I referred to myself as an 'investment banker')
  • After the tax dodging polling results, I am waiting to see that Labour have a 5% lead....
  • Major interview with Boris in the Sunday Times

    Boris says he wants to play a role in EU renegotiation because he knows Brussels. If he weren't mayor he'd ask Dave to be the top man
  • Boris calls for Tories to meet 2% NATO defence spending pledge in Sunday Tines interview
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TheScreamingEagles
    Are the figures on the tax story a disaster for Ed then?
  • SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg

    The Sunday Times has got it too apparently.

    What a complete surprise.......

    When OGH declared this week a triumph for Ed I did suggest we wait for the Sunday's......
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Charles said:

    Evening all and I am starting to think people being polled are taking the piss out of the pollsters. How can the same people say they intend to vote e.g. Labour but heavily back David Cameron as PM and to win the election. Either that or lots of them intend to be reckless and are relying on others to "do the right thing".

    My view is that the campaign won't change much because everyone is bored of politics and dislikes everyone equally.

    But when they get to fill in the ballot, they will think "Cameron or Miliband?" and choose accordingly.
    Fairly depressing summary Charles but hard to disagree with.

    Neither of our two main parties have a clue what to do, they want power just to stop the other guys getting it.
  • Charles said:

    Evening all and I am starting to think people being polled are taking the piss out of the pollsters. How can the same people say they intend to vote e.g. Labour but heavily back David Cameron as PM and to win the election. Either that or lots of them intend to be reckless and are relying on others to "do the right thing".

    My view is that the campaign won't change much because everyone is bored of politics and dislikes everyone equally.

    But when they get to fill in the ballot, they will think "Cameron or Miliband?" and choose accordingly.
    Yeah think you have a point. Wonder too on impact of social media.

    Alex Salmond is why I'm sticking before betting big on Lab majority. If SLAB get back to 50% their seats in Scotland then Lab maj looks value to me. Otherwise the Salmond Spectre could have decisive final week impact on english voters.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108

    Mr. Dave, and Mr. K, you might be interested to know that the BBC has commissioned a series based on Bernard Cornwell's series about Anglo-Saxon England and the Vikings. If they have the attention to detail shown in Wolf Hall, it could be rather good. If they make it like Atlantis, it'll be atrocious.

    The TV adaptions of Sharpe and Hornblower didn't really work very well. I think it's difficult to adapt these things on a budget. They call for an army of extras.

    That said, Vikings works well. And the battle scenes in Game of Thrones I think use computers to generate a convincing army.

    http://www.history.com/shows/vikings
    Sharpe worked because it was before Return of the King.

    RotK really created a watermark for staging battles. The Charge of the Rohan was 6000 horse, once you see what 6000 horse looks like thanks to Massive then you have problems believing things like the Braveheart scense of about 100 horse pretending to be circa 4000.

    I'm not suggesting Sharpe battle scenes were without problems but compared to what you consider acceptable now, it worked.

    GoT doesn't show large battle scenes. They didn't even pretend to in Season One where it was "build up" then cut to "walking amongst the dead". Where it does, it tends to be quite limited, the Battle of Blackwater Bay lent itself to cheap CGI for the fleet and a very limited pitched battle on the beach. The first time a major battle was actually shown on screen was Neil Marshall's phenomenal Battle of Castle Black in Season Four. (All the stuff in Esteros is pretty much static ranks of Denerys army and not large scale battles).
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    The Labour Donor on the front page of the Telegraph is Dale Vince.

    He was in the papers the other day

    The renewable energy company Ecotricity is giving £250,000 to the Labour party, and has accused the government of being deceitful on climate and energy policy.

    Dale Vince, founder of Ecotricity, said he felt compelled to act because there was “an existential threat from a second-term Tory government”. He said it was a myth that Labour was anti-business and praised the party’s leader, Ed Miliband, for standing up for renewables and taking a “pro-people” approach to banking and energy markets reform.

    http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/feb/10/ecotricity-gives-250000-to-labour-amid-existential-threat-from-tories

    He's the one who was a radical hippie green loon until he made some money and decided that capitalism was a good thing.

    The link below gives a lot of interesting background (although I should say that it is one of the most specious claims by the ex-wife I've ever heard of!)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2865950/Wind-farm-boss-abusive-ex-wife-asked-maintenance.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    Tykejohnno In some ways it was, the Tories 'black and white' poll last week which has the super rich bidding thousands to go shoe shopping with Theresa May, have a cross country run with IDS on his country estate and have dinner with the Javids may have raised a few million but it was a PR disaster
  • SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg


    When OGH declared this week a triumph for Ed I did suggest we wait for the Sunday's......
    Me too. Wisdom's proved right by her actions. Miliband and Labour needed to be squeaky clean before dishing dirt. Said it could come back to bite them hard.

    Also is it true the Guardian shelter half their £850m reserves in the Caymans?
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited February 2015
    The Sunday Times appears to dragging things out by using this story as a tease. Its YouGov poll always seems to be better for Labour than those of its sister paper, so I'm expecting a 3% Labour lead tonight or thereabouts to round off a very disappointing week for the Tories, who simply must do better, much better and soon if they are to have any real chance at all.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Evening all and I am starting to think people being polled are taking the piss out of the pollsters. How can the same people say they intend to vote e.g. Labour but heavily back David Cameron as PM and to win the election. Either that or lots of them intend to be reckless and are relying on others to "do the right thing".

    My view is that the campaign won't change much because everyone is bored of politics and dislikes everyone equally.

    But when they get to fill in the ballot, they will think "Cameron or Miliband?" and choose accordingly.
    Fairly depressing summary Charles but hard to disagree with.

    Neither of our two main parties have a clue what to do, they want power just to stop the other guys getting it.
    I'm rather happy with politicians who aren't visionaries.

    I take the view that they pretty much only mess up everything they touch, so better that they sit back and do nothing. If it takes £10bn of money wasted in DfID to keep them quiet then it's a small price to pay ;)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited February 2015

    The Sunday Times appears to dragging things out by using this story as a tease. Its YouGov poll always seems to be better for Labour than those of its sister paper, so I'm expecting a 3% Labour lead tonight or thereabouts to round off a very disappointing week for the Tories, who simply must do better, much better and soon if they are to have any real chance at all.

    I actually think this is the real affect of the bad few weeks on NHS and tax dodging. It isn't really taking any votes away from the Tories, but their momentum has been stopped in its tracks and time running out to gain support in order to close that 1% gap and overtake Labour. Neck and neck isn't good enough for the Tories.
  • Yep - James Lyons tweets: Tories accuse Ed Miliband of hypocrisy over relevation that top Labour placed shares in offshore trust. My spalsh in #SundayTimes

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg


    When OGH declared this week a triumph for Ed I did suggest we wait for the Sunday's......
    Me too. Wisdom's proved right by her actions. Miliband and Labour needed to be squeaky clean before dishing dirt. Said it could come back to bite them hard.

    Also is it true the Guardian shelter half their £850m reserves in the Caymans?
    Given MILIBAND's own family history you'd have thought he'd think twice before going after tax avoidance.

    His speech to Welsh Labour on tax avoidance was riddled with lies, I hope Channel 4 fact checks it.....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    edited February 2015
    Japanese single male revolutionaries protest against St Valentine's Day. “The blood-soaked conspiracy of Valentine’s Day, driven by the oppressive chocolate capitalists, has arrived once again."
    “In order to create a brighter future, we call for solidarity among our unloved comrades so that we may demonstrate in resolute opposition to Valentine’s Day and the romantic industrial complex”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/11405651/Japanese-revolutionaries-plot-to-crush-St-Valentines-Day.html
  • SUNDAY TIMES: Top Labour donor in tax haven row #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91mgUhIUAAMf8v.jpg
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg


    When OGH declared this week a triumph for Ed I did suggest we wait for the Sunday's......
    Me too. Wisdom's proved right by her actions. Miliband and Labour needed to be squeaky clean before dishing dirt. Said it could come back to bite them hard.

    Also is it true the Guardian shelter half their £850m reserves in the Caymans?
    All the profit from the sale of Autotrader (which I think raised about £1bn in two tranches) was structured through a BVI)(?) company and using other exemptions to avoid any tax on the disposal.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited February 2015

    SUNDAY TIMES: Top Labour donor in tax haven row #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91mgUhIUAAMf8v.jpg

    Is that the same person as the Telegraph story or somebody else. I can't make out who is in the photo and what relevance they have to the story.
  • Charles said:

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg


    When OGH declared this week a triumph for Ed I did suggest we wait for the Sunday's......
    Me too. Wisdom's proved right by her actions. Miliband and Labour needed to be squeaky clean before dishing dirt. Said it could come back to bite them hard.

    Also is it true the Guardian shelter half their £850m reserves in the Caymans?
    All the profit from the sale of Autotrader (which I think raised about £1bn in two tranches) was structured through a BVI)(?) company and using other exemptions to avoid any tax on the disposal.
    Yeah just googled and found this: http://order-order.com/2012/11/26/the-guardians-offshore-secrets-guardian-media-group-still-operates-caymans-company/

    Bit rich of them to get high horsed about this? That's the trouble with moral crusades. Who's actually that moral?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    The Sunday Times appears to dragging things out by using this story as a tease. Its YouGov poll always seems to be better for Labour than those of its sister paper, so I'm expecting a 3% Labour lead tonight or thereabouts to round off a very disappointing week for the Tories, who simply must do better, much better and soon if they are to have any real chance at all.

    I actually think this is the real affect of the bad few weeks on NHS and tax dodging. It isn't really taking any votes away from the Tories, but their momentum and from gaining support in order to close that 1% gap and overtake Labour. Time is running out for the Tories to do that.
    The campaign - such as it has been so far - has not touched on the economy. The Budget is the starting pistol. If the Tories can't get some traction at that point - when Labour should be on the back-foot - that will be the time for Tories to worry.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    Bank of America 'Labour, especially if propped up by the SNP and Greens, would turn the UK into France'
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2953182/Ed-turn-UK-France-destroying-investor-confidence-British-economy-warns-bank.html
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,384
    YouGov VI quite late coming out this evening?
  • SUNDAY TIMES: Top Labour donor in tax haven row #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91mgUhIUAAMf8v.jpg

    Is that the same person as the Telegraph story or somebody else. I can't make out who is in the photo and what relevance they have to the story.
    Don't know
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited February 2015
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited February 2015

    Charles said:

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg


    When OGH declared this week a triumph for Ed I did suggest we wait for the Sunday's......
    Me too. Wisdom's proved right by her actions. Miliband and Labour needed to be squeaky clean before dishing dirt. Said it could come back to bite them hard.

    Also is it true the Guardian shelter half their £850m reserves in the Caymans?
    All the profit from the sale of Autotrader (which I think raised about £1bn in two tranches) was structured through a BVI)(?) company and using other exemptions to avoid any tax on the disposal.
    Yeah just googled and found this: http://order-order.com/2012/11/26/the-guardians-offshore-secrets-guardian-media-group-still-operates-caymans-company/

    Bit rich of them to get high horsed about this? That's the trouble with moral crusades. Who's actually that moral?
    BBC, Guardian, the lot have structured their affairs to be "tax efficient". Call it "vanilla" tax avoidance, but the hypocrisy is widespread in the media industry.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Off Shore Wind!!!
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @GIN1138
    10 30 lately
  • GIN1138 said:

    YouGov VI quite late coming out this evening?

    It's usually 10.30 these days, though I'm not sure about Saturday evenings
  • GIN1138 said:

    YouGov VI quite late coming out this evening?

    Normally it comes out between 9pm and 10pm.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    After the tax dodging polling results, I am waiting to see that Labour have a 5% lead....

    Is it possible to offset 5% poll lead against tax?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937

    Yep - James Lyons tweets: Tories accuse Ed Miliband of hypocrisy over relevation that top Labour placed shares in offshore trust. My spalsh in #SundayTimes

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg


    When OGH declared this week a triumph for Ed I did suggest we wait for the Sunday's......
    Me too. Wisdom's proved right by her actions. Miliband and Labour needed to be squeaky clean before dishing dirt. Said it could come back to bite them hard.

    Also is it true the Guardian shelter half their £850m reserves in the Caymans?
    Given MILIBAND's own family history you'd have thought he'd think twice before going after tax avoidance.
    What else does he have? I mean - what? The economy? Immigration? Higher education? Trident? Rotherham?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    TBH If tax avoidance is in the news for next 11.5 weeks IMO that will be a much bigger problem for the Blues.

    Lab will not have anywhere near as many DODGY donors as the Tories
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861

    The Sunday Times appears to dragging things out by using this story as a tease. Its YouGov poll always seems to be better for Labour than those of its sister paper, so I'm expecting a 3% Labour lead tonight or thereabouts to round off a very disappointing week for the Tories, who simply must do better, much better and soon if they are to have any real chance at all.

    PfP.

    Sorry to see your club, Derby, drop out the FA Cup today.

    With a new manager now in place I'm hoping Villa can progress to the last 8 by beating Leicester tomorrow at home. I've backed Villa to win the FA Cup (each way) at 66/1. Despite having successfully got to the last 16, Villa's last price matched price matched on Betfair is 35.0.

    Value?


  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Key point - Don't forget that Labour will probably lose around 1% of the total UK electorate in Scotland, so in terms of looking at these opinion polls for the English battle... you need to add 1% on to Labour to see the true "overall" Lab vs Con picture.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    TBH If tax avoidance is in the news for next 11.5 weeks IMO that will be a much bigger problem for the Blues.

    Lab will not have anywhere near as many DODGY donors as the Tories

    You'd be surprised, in my experience.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited February 2015
    In total, Ecotricity, which Mr Vince wholly owns, has been paid £36m in subsidies since 2002, when the scheme began, and which Mr Miliband oversaw as Climate Change Secretary from 2008.

    The subsidy is added to household electricity bills and paid by consumers, pushing up bills for all households. It is probably fair to say Mr Vince has earned more from the Labour-introduced subsidy than any other individual in the UK.
  • The Sunday Times appears to dragging things out by using this story as a tease. Its YouGov poll always seems to be better for Labour than those of its sister paper, so I'm expecting a 3% Labour lead tonight or thereabouts to round off a very disappointing week for the Tories, who simply must do better, much better and soon if they are to have any real chance at all.

    I actually think this is the real affect of the bad few weeks on NHS and tax dodging. It isn't really taking any votes away from the Tories, but their momentum and from gaining support in order to close that 1% gap and overtake Labour. Time is running out for the Tories to do that.
    The campaign - such as it has been so far - has not touched on the economy. The Budget is the starting pistol. If the Tories can't get some traction at that point - when Labour should be on the back-foot - that will be the time for Tories to worry.

    You may be right MM but it's beginning to smack of desperation somewhat isn't it to have to rely on a one trick pony such as a pre-election giveaway budget?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited February 2015

    In total, Ecotricity, which Mr Vince wholly owns, has been paid £36m in subsidies since 2002, when the scheme began, and which Mr Miliband oversaw as Climate Change Secretary from 2008.

    The subsidy is added to household electricity bills and paid by consumers, pushing up bills for all households. It is probably fair to say Mr Vince has earned more from the Labour-introduced subsidy than any other individual in the UK.


    I think you are getting the order the wrong way round.

    But Vince Dale probably believes that the Tories might be more likely to cut green subsidies than Labour.

    He's entirely, and nakedly, self-interested. Bernie Ecclestone is also self-interested.

    I have no doubt, of course, that all donations to the Labour party are made from the purest of motivations.
  • The Sun on Sunday also have a story on a Labour donor.
  • Neil Henderson ‏@hendopolis

    Very little red top activity so far this evening.. I sense tidy exclusives on the boil #tomorrowspaperstoday
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    TBH If tax avoidance is in the news for next 11.5 weeks IMO that will be a much bigger problem for the Blues.

    Lab will not have anywhere near as many DODGY donors as the Tories

    Not the way it would pan out.

    In that time scale the truth and facts would overtake the lies and sound bites.

    On action and success in starting work on collecting more tax there is only one winner. BBC, Guardian and many left leaning business and unions would be exposed as well.
  • The Sun on Sunday also have a story on a Labour donor.

    Cripes that's got a big circulation. Thought they'd be taking a pop. Wonder if polls will move a bit more to Cons next week? All skirmishing though to now.

  • The Sun on Sunday Story is apparently about Bill Somebody.
  • SUNDAY TIMES: Top Labour donor in tax haven row #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91mgUhIUAAMf8v.jpg

    Is that the same person as the Telegraph story or somebody else. I can't make out who is in the photo and what relevance they have to the story.
    Looks like its different. The ST is about off shore tax avoidance, the Telegraph about electricity bill subsidy Labour donor on shore tax avoidance.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    Dale Vince sounds like a made up name to me.

    I'm hearing rumours that a certain Iain Cable may have questions to answer....
  • The Sun on Sunday Story is apparently about Bill Somebody.

    To be fair, Labour has so few business supporters these days, it kinda of had to be .....
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Charles said:

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg


    When OGH declared this week a triumph for Ed I did suggest we wait for the Sunday's......
    Me too. Wisdom's proved right by her actions. Miliband and Labour needed to be squeaky clean before dishing dirt. Said it could come back to bite them hard.

    Also is it true the Guardian shelter half their £850m reserves in the Caymans?
    All the profit from the sale of Autotrader (which I think raised about £1bn in two tranches) was structured through a BVI)(?) company and using other exemptions to avoid any tax on the disposal.
    Bloody hell - I bet Ed went mad..... oh
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    I've read that the byzantine tax code could be reduced from ~ 17000 to ~ 268 pages. I sincerely hope whichever Gov't is in next gets on and does it.
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    The allure of power and influence that a donor thinks they buy must be close to completely cancelled out by risk of bad publicity.

    We could be near the end of big personal donations.
  • Charles said:

    SUNDAY TELEGRAPH: Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' allegations #tomorrowspaperstoday #BBCPapers

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B91hgKqIEAEiSpw.jpg


    When OGH declared this week a triumph for Ed I did suggest we wait for the Sunday's......
    Me too. Wisdom's proved right by her actions. Miliband and Labour needed to be squeaky clean before dishing dirt. Said it could come back to bite them hard.

    Also is it true the Guardian shelter half their £850m reserves in the Caymans?
    All the profit from the sale of Autotrader (which I think raised about £1bn in two tranches) was structured through a BVI)(?) company and using other exemptions to avoid any tax on the disposal.
    Yeah just googled and found this: http://order-order.com/2012/11/26/the-guardians-offshore-secrets-guardian-media-group-still-operates-caymans-company/

    Bit rich of them to get high horsed about this? That's the trouble with moral crusades. Who's actually that moral?
    Labour's trademark is sanctimonious hypocrisy........
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    edited February 2015

    In total, Ecotricity, which Mr Vince wholly owns, has been paid £36m in subsidies since 2002, when the scheme began, and which Mr Miliband oversaw as Climate Change Secretary from 2008.

    The subsidy is added to household electricity bills and paid by consumers, pushing up bills for all households. It is probably fair to say Mr Vince has earned more from the Labour-introduced subsidy than any other individual in the UK.


    In total, Ecotricity, which Mr Vince wholly owns, has been paid £36m in subsidies since 2002, when the scheme began, and which Mr Miliband oversaw as Climate Change Secretary from 2008.

    The subsidy is added to household electricity bills and paid by consumers, pushing up bills for all households. It is probably fair to say Mr Vince has earned more from the Labour-introduced subsidy than any other individual in the UK.


    The enforced component of subsidies to green energy is the poll tax for our times. The same people who are quite happy for every poor family in the land to have a three-figure tax stuck on their electricity are those who went on the poll-tax marches.... Funny old world.
  • TBH If tax avoidance is in the news for next 11.5 weeks IMO that will be a much bigger problem for the Blues.

    Lab will not have anywhere near as many DODGY donors as the Tories

    (a) It won't be, there's an election going on.
    (b) Even if your assertion is true [not so sure myself], that doesn't matter. Labour need to have near-as-dammit none, now that they've started down this road.
  • The Sun on Sunday Story is apparently about Bill Somebody.

    To be fair, Labour has so few business supporters these days, it kinda of had to be .....
    He does exist, his name is Bill Thomas.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Tories hold £25k champagne party before announcing huge benefits cuts
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Thomas is former Executive Vice-President of EDS EMEA, an American computer firm. He oversaw $12billion in annual revenue and 58,000 employees - and Thomas helped grow the company's profits by 20 per cent per annum.

    He lives on Hopton Estate, Derbyshire, an historic house with its own shooting grounds. Thomas lives with wife Julie Thomas and dogs Roo and Winston on the splendid estate, which also boats 37,000 acres and was once a favourite of Princess Anne.
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