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SystemSystem Posts: 12,215
edited February 2015 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » How MPs with bigger majorities are more likely to be non-locals and much less likely to be women

I suppose one reason is that in the more marginal seats there are likely to be more selection contests because there’s a much better chance that they will change hands at a general election.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,962
    edited February 2015
    So time for Clegg and Alexander to have a sex change op?
  • Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    edited February 2015

    So time for Clegg and Alexander to have a sex change op?

    Who'd notice?

    It would be a distinction without a difference.
  • Nothing to do with SPADs and advisors being placed in super-safe seats I'm sure.....
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Poor UKIP painting themselves as victims in Rotherham limping in third...
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,550
    edited February 2015

    Can I ask some of PB's more older seasoned posters, as I wasn't even a teenager in 1992.

    If the Tories had lost the 1992 General Election, am I right in thinking John Major would have resigned, if so, who would have been the next Tory leader?

    Michael Heseltine?

    No; I think he’d have been too associated with the ousting of Thatcher, which would have been blamed for the defeat. Probably Michael Howard.
    Michael Howard only became an MP in 1987 so to early for him
  • Very safe seats, almost by definition, are much more likely to have MPs who have been in place for many years. Given that until relatively recently (especially in the Conservative Party), most candidates, irrespective of the marginality of the seat, were male, it's not surprising that safe seats are more likely to have male MPs.

    As the incumbents in safe seats retire, however, that will change, as in the constituency where I live:

    http://www.wealdenconservatives.com/nus-ghani
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    BenM said:

    Poor UKIP painting themselves as victims in Rotherham limping in third...

    ?

    We can bet on this of course...
  • BenM said:

    Poor UKIP painting themselves as victims in Rotherham limping in third...

    I see you approve of attempts to shout down opposing views.

    At least you're open about it, I suppose.
  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    Labour in particular seem to do a very good job of getting their top people in very safe seats. I don't think a single cabinet minister lost their seat in 2010, although Ed Balls came close.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795

    BenM said:

    Poor UKIP painting themselves as victims in Rotherham limping in third...

    I see you approve of attempts to shout down opposing views.

    At least you're open about it, I suppose.
    I'm pleased to see the people of Rotherham chasing out shallow chancers from their town.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,962
    edited February 2015

    BenM said:

    Poor UKIP painting themselves as victims in Rotherham limping in third...

    I see you approve of attempts to shout down opposing views.

    At least you're open about it, I suppose.
    I'm not defending Sarah Champion at all but she's had to deal with some pretty nasty personal smears from Kippers including her Kipper opponent which has led to legal action.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Tim Stanley ‏@timothy_stanley · 54m54 minutes ago
    Ukip leader tries to visit Rotherham, site of horrific scandal, & is hounded by a mob. And the Left cheers the mob http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11395260/Nigel-Farage-abandons-walkabout-in-Rotherham-as-protesters-blockade-him.html
  • BenM said:

    BenM said:

    Poor UKIP painting themselves as victims in Rotherham limping in third...

    I see you approve of attempts to shout down opposing views.

    At least you're open about it, I suppose.
    I'm pleased to see the people of Rotherham chasing out shallow chancers from their town.
    Yes, exactly. Intolerance of opposing views seems to be endemic on the left, I suppose because the worldview is all about demonising opponents rather than engaging in arguments.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Can I ask some of PB's more older seasoned posters, as I wasn't even a teenager in 1992.

    If the Tories had lost the 1992 General Election, am I right in thinking John Major would have resigned, if so, who would have been the next Tory leader?

    Michael Heseltine?

    No; I think he’d have been too associated with the ousting of Thatcher, which would have been blamed for the defeat. Probably Michael Howard.
    Michael Howard only became an MP in 1987 so to early for him
    '83 and he was in the Cabinet (and supported Thatcher).
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    sean thomas knox ‏@thomasknox · 38m38 minutes ago
    Another great day for Rotherham, then. http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local/breaking-rotherham-sex-abuse-scandal-policeman-killed-1-7093216# … Policeman at centre of scandal suddenly killed in car crash.

  • I'm not defending Sarah Champion at all but she's had to deal with some pretty nasty personal smears from Kippers including her Kipper opponent which has led to legal action.

    Yes, that too has been unpleasant.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015
    BenM said:

    BenM said:

    Poor UKIP painting themselves as victims in Rotherham limping in third...

    I see you approve of attempts to shout down opposing views.

    At least you're open about it, I suppose.
    I'm pleased to see the people of Rotherham chasing out shallow chancers from their town.
    What were the scores from the SYPCC election in Rotherham?

    Here is are the results from the locals

    UKIP 46%
    Labour 43%

    http://www.leftfutures.org/2014/05/rotherham-election-analysis-ukip-win-the-popular-vote-in-disastrous-result-for-labour/
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited February 2015
    breaking: "South Yorks Police: PC Ali, under investigation regarding Rotherham sex abuse, has died following a car crash"
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    And now the official denial...

    @paulwaugh: Re FT story, Lab spksman: "misleading" to say Mandelson + @campbellclaret sounded out AJohnson. They were checking rumours + told false
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited February 2015
    isam said:

    Tim Stanley ‏@timothy_stanley · 54m54 minutes ago
    Ukip leader tries to visit Rotherham, site of horrific scandal, & is hounded by a mob. And the Left cheers the mob http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11395260/Nigel-Farage-abandons-walkabout-in-Rotherham-as-protesters-blockade-him.html

    Farage turned up this week knowing full well that 'rentamob' would too, enriching the publicity. I wonder who tipped off the Lefties?

    He picks his moments.

    Oh, and from the article, 'Onlookers described the protesters as noisy but peaceful.'
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    isam said:

    Tim Stanley ‏@timothy_stanley · 54m54 minutes ago
    Ukip leader tries to visit Rotherham, site of horrific scandal, & is hounded by a mob. And the Left cheers the mob http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11395260/Nigel-Farage-abandons-walkabout-in-Rotherham-as-protesters-blockade-him.html

    The Left WAS the mob....
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    isam said:

    Tim Stanley ‏@timothy_stanley · 54m54 minutes ago
    Ukip leader tries to visit Rotherham, site of horrific scandal, & is hounded by a mob. And the Left cheers the mob http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11395260/Nigel-Farage-abandons-walkabout-in-Rotherham-as-protesters-blockade-him.html

    Farage turned up this week knowing full well that 'rentamob' would too, enriching the publicity.
    He is blessed in his opponents.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited February 2015
    shadsy said:

    Labour in particular seem to do a very good job of getting their top people in very safe seats. I don't think a single cabinet minister lost their seat in 2010, although Ed Balls came close.

    Douglas Alexander would like a word
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    BenM said:

    BenM said:

    Poor UKIP painting themselves as victims in Rotherham limping in third...

    I see you approve of attempts to shout down opposing views.

    At least you're open about it, I suppose.
    I'm pleased to see the people of Rotherham chasing out shallow chancers from their town.
    A pity they didn't spend as much energy chasing out the rapists, child abusers and councillors and policemen who turned a blind eye to their activities.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited February 2015

    isam said:

    Tim Stanley ‏@timothy_stanley · 54m54 minutes ago
    Ukip leader tries to visit Rotherham, site of horrific scandal, & is hounded by a mob. And the Left cheers the mob http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11395260/Nigel-Farage-abandons-walkabout-in-Rotherham-as-protesters-blockade-him.html

    Farage turned up this week knowing full well that 'rentamob' would too, enriching the publicity. I wonder who tipped off the Lefties?

    He picks his moments.
    Of course, he wrote an article about the visit in todays Independent, it was hardly a cloak and dagger operation

    Rope-A-Dope
  • Nothing to do with SPADs and advisors being placed in super-safe seats I'm sure.....

    FPTP works very well for the PPE graduates.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Perhaps some of the lefties who went after Farage, might wonder why this happened.

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 2m2 minutes ago
    South Yorks policeman Hassan Ali - under investigation by police watchdog re Rotherham child sex abuse scandal - dies following a car crash
    0 replies 24 retweets 2 favorites
    Reply Retweet24 Favorite2
    More
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    dr_spyn said:

    Perhaps some of the lefties who went after Farage, might wonder why this happened.

    Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 2m2 minutes ago
    South Yorks policeman Hassan Ali - under investigation by police watchdog re Rotherham child sex abuse scandal - dies following a car crash
    0 replies 24 retweets 2 favorites
    Reply Retweet24 Favorite2
    More

    He was cracking on to the abused I hear...smooth
  • I'm at a loss as to why events in Rotherham should be "above politics" when they were clearly partly facilitated by the rotten politics of the town.

    Sarah Champion, on the other hand, has come in from outside of those rotten politics, and has generally being doing a very decent job in very difficult circumstances. All the more disappointing that she should make such an off-key remark.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Tim Stanley ‏@timothy_stanley · 54m54 minutes ago
    Ukip leader tries to visit Rotherham, site of horrific scandal, & is hounded by a mob. And the Left cheers the mob http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11395260/Nigel-Farage-abandons-walkabout-in-Rotherham-as-protesters-blockade-him.html

    Farage turned up this week knowing full well that 'rentamob' would too, enriching the publicity. I wonder who tipped off the Lefties?

    He picks his moments.
    Of course, he wrote an article about the visit in todays Independent, it was hardly a cloak and dagger operation

    Kind of proves the point - turns up trumpets blaring, publicity machine in full swing. Hardly a subtle and sympathetic fact finding mission is it.
  • isam said:

    Of course, he wrote an article about the visit in todays Independent, it was hardly a cloak and dagger operation

    To be fair, a good way to keep an operation secret is to write about it in the Independent.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Tim Stanley ‏@timothy_stanley · 54m54 minutes ago
    Ukip leader tries to visit Rotherham, site of horrific scandal, & is hounded by a mob. And the Left cheers the mob http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11395260/Nigel-Farage-abandons-walkabout-in-Rotherham-as-protesters-blockade-him.html

    Farage turned up this week knowing full well that 'rentamob' would too, enriching the publicity. I wonder who tipped off the Lefties?

    He picks his moments.
    Of course, he wrote an article about the visit in todays Independent, it was hardly a cloak and dagger operation

    Kind of proves the point - turns up trumpets blaring, publicity machine in full swing. Hardly a subtle and sympathetic fact finding mission is it.
    Yes I am agreeing with you. They fell into the trap

    But it wasn't meant to be a fact finding mission, he was opening the campaign shop in a key target seat.

    Don't one why you try to frame it as a fact finding mission? To win an argument on here? Shirley not
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    Twitter
    Sarah Champion MP @SarahChampionMP


    Hilarious Farage is trapped inside the #Rotherham UKIP shop by people objecting to him coming to rubber neck at victims!
    12:57 PM - 6 Feb 2015

    Labour really are the nasty party - the level of hypocricy in that tweet is staggering and I'm no UKIP fan.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    o/t - Hillary makes some appointments that indicate the question of whether she will run is settled (for those, TimT!, who thought it was still open). Also further indication that Warren wont run.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/mandy-grunwald-joins-hillary-clinton-team-114949.html
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    BenM said:

    BenM said:

    Poor UKIP painting themselves as victims in Rotherham limping in third...

    I see you approve of attempts to shout down opposing views.

    At least you're open about it, I suppose.
    I'm pleased to see the people of Rotherham chasing out shallow chancers from their town.
    Whether or not he's a shallow chancer he has a right to express his views. Would you like mob rule?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    Oops! And another own goal from the party which just loves tax avoidance:)


    BBC:
    13:36: Margaret Hodge attacks Labour links to PwC BBC Radio 4
    Labour MP Margaret Hodge

    Margaret Hodge MP, the chair of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) tells the BBC's World at One she thinks it is "inappropriate" for her party's shadow cabinet to be receiving support from staff on secondment from the accountancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC)
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @FrankBooth
    Mob rule is reserved for PMQ's.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    edited February 2015
    felix said:

    Twitter
    Sarah Champion MP @SarahChampionMP


    Hilarious Farage is trapped inside the #Rotherham UKIP shop by people objecting to him coming to rubber neck at victims!
    12:57 PM - 6 Feb 2015

    Labour really are the nasty party - the level of hypocricy in that tweet is staggering and I'm no UKIP fan.

    Farage ran away from the breastfeeding woman!

    Funny as hell. Jog on Farage - your vile Party not wanted in Rotherham.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    BenM said:

    BenM said:

    Poor UKIP painting themselves as victims in Rotherham limping in third...

    I see you approve of attempts to shout down opposing views.

    At least you're open about it, I suppose.
    I'm pleased to see the people of Rotherham chasing out shallow chancers from their town.
    That is considerably more revealing than you realise.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,567

    shadsy said:

    Labour in particular seem to do a very good job of getting their top people in very safe seats. I don't think a single cabinet minister lost their seat in 2010, although Ed Balls came close.

    Douglas Alexander would like a word
    There's a structural reason for Cabinet Ministers and Shadows generally having safe seats. You need 10-15 years of steady promotion to get there (if that's your aim), and usually that will include one election where you party did badly. Anyone with a marginal seat is likely to lose, interrupting their career. So it's not that when you're a front-bencher you magically get a safe seat, but that people with safe seats have a better chance to become front-benchers.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    BenM said:

    felix said:

    Twitter
    Sarah Champion MP @SarahChampionMP


    Hilarious Farage is trapped inside the #Rotherham UKIP shop by people objecting to him coming to rubber neck at victims!
    12:57 PM - 6 Feb 2015

    Labour really are the nasty party - the level of hypocricy in that tweet is staggering and I'm no UKIP fan.

    Farage ran away from the breastfeeding woman!

    Funny as hell. Jog on Farage - your vile Party not wanted in Rotherham.
    There is only one vile party in Rotherham and it's not UKIP. The resignation of the entire Labour cabinet this week and the Casey report might give even you a clue.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    felix said:

    Oops! And another own goal from the party which just loves tax avoidance:)


    BBC:
    13:36: Margaret Hodge attacks Labour links to PwC BBC Radio 4
    Labour MP Margaret Hodge

    Margaret Hodge MP, the chair of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) tells the BBC's World at One she thinks it is "inappropriate" for her party's shadow cabinet to be receiving support from staff on secondment from the accountancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC)

    Will she be returning all the money she earned when she worked for them?

  • shadsy said:

    Labour in particular seem to do a very good job of getting their top people in very safe seats. I don't think a single cabinet minister lost their seat in 2010, although Ed Balls came close.

    Douglas Alexander would like a word
    There's a structural reason for Cabinet Ministers and Shadows generally having safe seats. You need 10-15 years of steady promotion to get there (if that's your aim), and usually that will include one election where you party did badly. Anyone with a marginal seat is likely to lose, interrupting their career. So it's not that when you're a front-bencher you magically get a safe seat, but that people with safe seats have a better chance to become front-benchers.
    Quite true - the Conservative carnage in 1997 being the exception that proves the rule
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2015
    Sarah Champion MP's latest tweet is a re-tweet of someone calling her "awesome". Seems a bit on the narcissistic side to me.

    https://twitter.com/sarahchampionmp
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    Tim Stanley ‏@timothy_stanley · 54m54 minutes ago
    Ukip leader tries to visit Rotherham, site of horrific scandal, & is hounded by a mob. And the Left cheers the mob http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11395260/Nigel-Farage-abandons-walkabout-in-Rotherham-as-protesters-blockade-him.html

    Farage turned up this week knowing full well that 'rentamob' would too, enriching the publicity. I wonder who tipped off the Lefties?

    He picks his moments.
    Of course, he wrote an article about the visit in todays Independent, it was hardly a cloak and dagger operation

    Kind of proves the point - turns up trumpets blaring, publicity machine in full swing. Hardly a subtle and sympathetic fact finding mission is it.
    He's trying to win the seat off Labour. Publicity is usually a good idea.
  • AndyJS said:

    Sarah Champion MP's latest tweet is a re-tweet of someone calling her "awesome". Seems a bit on the narcissistic side to me.

    https://twitter.com/sarahchampionmp

    To be fair I suspected that once I learned she'd changed her name from Sarah Jones*


    *not actually true
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Some on here said Farages visit was a fiasco for Ukip...

    Shrewdies...

    What a gift Sarah Champions words will turn out to be in the campaign

    Ukip won the popular vote by 3% in the locals and it was neck and neck in the SYPCC election...

    Labour a very poor 1/4 shot in rotherham
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    isam said:


    Ukip won the popular vote by 3% in the locals and it was neck and neck in the SYPCC election...

    Labour a very poor 1/4 shot in rotherham

    Turnout will be much higher in May and the MP seems genuinely impressive (what a stroke for her that the documentary featuring her efforts to influence child protection legislation was screened this week, not that all that many constituents will have seen it). I think she's a strong favourite to win.
  • isam said:

    Some on here said Farages visit was a fiasco for Ukip...

    Shrewdies...

    What a gift Sarah Champions words will turn out to be in the campaign

    Ukip won the popular vote by 3% in the locals and it was neck and neck in the SYPCC election...

    Labour a very poor 1/4 shot in rotherham

    isam said:

    Some on here said Farages visit was a fiasco for Ukip...

    Shrewdies...

    What a gift Sarah Champions words will turn out to be in the campaign

    Ukip won the popular vote by 3% in the locals and it was neck and neck in the SYPCC election...

    Labour a very poor 1/4 shot in rotherham

    isam said:

    Some on here said Farages visit was a fiasco for Ukip...

    Shrewdies...

    What a gift Sarah Champions words will turn out to be in the campaign

    Ukip won the popular vote by 3% in the locals and it was neck and neck in the SYPCC election...

    Labour a very poor 1/4 shot in rotherham

    Easy hold for Labour.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    AndyJS said:

    Sarah Champion MP's latest tweet is a re-tweet of someone calling her "awesome". Seems a bit on the narcissistic side to me.

    https://twitter.com/sarahchampionmp

    I'm no twitter expert but wasnt she just thanking someone who tweeted a compliment to her?

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,711
    Neil said:

    Can I ask some of PB's more older seasoned posters, as I wasn't even a teenager in 1992.

    If the Tories had lost the 1992 General Election, am I right in thinking John Major would have resigned, if so, who would have been the next Tory leader?

    Michael Heseltine?

    No; I think he’d have been too associated with the ousting of Thatcher, which would have been blamed for the defeat. Probably Michael Howard.
    Michael Howard only became an MP in 1987 so to early for him
    '83 and he was in the Cabinet (and supported Thatcher).
    Had something of the night about him then, as well. Whoever suggested Lamont and Clarke could well have been right, too.
  • Neil said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sarah Champion MP's latest tweet is a re-tweet of someone calling her "awesome". Seems a bit on the narcissistic side to me.

    https://twitter.com/sarahchampionmp

    I'm no twitter expert but wasnt she just thanking someone who tweeted a compliment to her?

    That's what the favourite button is usually used for (or you could simply reply "thanks".

    RT'ing praise is a bit of a dickish thing to do, though plenty of celebs and MPs do...
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    The unspoken question: Where are the Tories in Rotherham by the way?

    Shouldn't the nation's mainstream opposition Party be hounding and trouncing the hapless local Labour representation after the egregious failures of care for young girls in the town?

    They seem to have melted away and so outsourced the job to vile UKIP goons whose only interest is to exploit community division and hate.

    Rotherham sorely needs the Tories to step up to the plate in the area. Where are they?
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    BenM said:

    felix said:

    Twitter
    Sarah Champion MP @SarahChampionMP


    Hilarious Farage is trapped inside the #Rotherham UKIP shop by people objecting to him coming to rubber neck at victims!
    12:57 PM - 6 Feb 2015

    Labour really are the nasty party - the level of hypocricy in that tweet is staggering and I'm no UKIP fan.

    Farage ran away from the breastfeeding woman!

    Funny as hell. Jog on Farage - your vile Party not wanted in Rotherham.
    "coming to rubber neck at victims" is just unbelievable, in the circumstances.

    I think even dear old Hugh would have spotted that this is not a good day for Lab to be giving it large about Rotherham. Can I suggest radio silence on the subject from you for the rest of the day, as a mark of deepest sympathy for the tragic loss of PC Hassan Ali?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    BenM said:

    The unspoken question: Where are the Tories in Rotherham by the way?

    Shouldn't the nation's mainstream opposition Party be hounding and trouncing the hapless local Labour representation after the egregious failures of care for young girls in the town?

    They seem to have melted away and so outsourced the job to vile UKIP goons whose only interest is to exploit community division and hate.

    Rotherham sorely needs the Tories to step up to the plate in the area. Where are they?

    I hope this isnt your canvassing style.

  • BenM said:

    The unspoken question: Where are the Tories in Rotherham by the way?

    Shouldn't the nation's mainstream opposition Party be hounding and trouncing the hapless local Labour representation after the egregious failures of care for young girls in the town?

    They seem to have melted away and so outsourced the job to vile UKIP goons whose only interest is to exploit community division and hate.

    Rotherham sorely needs the Tories to step up to the plate in the area. Where are they?

    If they were there you (and others like you) would be accusing them of exploiting community division and hate. Spare us your weasel concern.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    edited February 2015
    When are Labour going to apologise for essentially their one-party politics in Rotherham turning a blind eye to rape of the children of its voters on an industrial scale?

    Or are they too busy tweeting about the antics of their mob?

    I just hope to God there is a Biblical justice descending on Labour. Smiting would be good. I'd settle for a thunderstorm of hail and fire.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,711

    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sarah Champion MP's latest tweet is a re-tweet of someone calling her "awesome". Seems a bit on the narcissistic side to me.

    https://twitter.com/sarahchampionmp

    I'm no twitter expert but wasnt she just thanking someone who tweeted a compliment to her?

    That's what the favourite button is usually used for (or you could simply reply "thanks".

    RT'ing praise is a bit of a dickish thing to do, though plenty of celebs and MPs do...
    You’d think she’d have learned by now, but her background is working in places which are generally supportive and friendly, unlike politics!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2015
    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sarah Champion MP's latest tweet is a re-tweet of someone calling her "awesome". Seems a bit on the narcissistic side to me.

    https://twitter.com/sarahchampionmp

    I'm no twitter expert but wasnt she just thanking someone who tweeted a compliment to her?

    Maybe I'm old-fashioned but it still seems a bit self-congratulatory to me. She could have thanked the person privately.
  • shadsy said:

    Labour in particular seem to do a very good job of getting their top people in very safe seats. I don't think a single cabinet minister lost their seat in 2010, although Ed Balls came close.

    Douglas Alexander would like a word
    There's a structural reason for Cabinet Ministers and Shadows generally having safe seats. You need 10-15 years of steady promotion to get there (if that's your aim), and usually that will include one election where you party did badly. Anyone with a marginal seat is likely to lose, interrupting their career. So it's not that when you're a front-bencher you magically get a safe seat, but that people with safe seats have a better chance to become front-benchers.
    I think that if politicians have a reputation for competence from endeavours exterior to Parliament, it is perhaps not so necessary for them to work their way up, in the way that you describe.

    I know Churchill was an unusual character, but I think he represented three different constituencies, after losing his seat twice.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    AndyJS said:

    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:

    Sarah Champion MP's latest tweet is a re-tweet of someone calling her "awesome". Seems a bit on the narcissistic side to me.

    https://twitter.com/sarahchampionmp

    I'm no twitter expert but wasnt she just thanking someone who tweeted a compliment to her?

    Maybe I'm old-fashioned but it still seems a bit self-congratulatory to me. She could have thanked the person privately.
    Is it possible to have an old-fashioned twitter style?

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    BenM said:

    felix said:

    Twitter
    Sarah Champion MP @SarahChampionMP


    Hilarious Farage is trapped inside the #Rotherham UKIP shop by people objecting to him coming to rubber neck at victims!
    12:57 PM - 6 Feb 2015

    Labour really are the nasty party - the level of hypocricy in that tweet is staggering and I'm no UKIP fan.

    Farage ran away from the breastfeeding woman!

    Funny as hell. Jog on Farage - your vile Party not wanted in Rotherham.
    Jeez - much of the time you have been one of the saner left-wing posters on here. This is not worthy of you. I guess we can expect more of this as Labour's chances slip away.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Cyclefree said:

    felix said:

    Oops! And another own goal from the party which just loves tax avoidance:)


    BBC:
    13:36: Margaret Hodge attacks Labour links to PwC BBC Radio 4
    Labour MP Margaret Hodge

    Margaret Hodge MP, the chair of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) tells the BBC's World at One she thinks it is "inappropriate" for her party's shadow cabinet to be receiving support from staff on secondment from the accountancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC)

    Will she be returning all the money she earned when she worked for them?

    Worth listening to her squirm as her past record of working for PwC - including that she draws a pension - is revealed, one morsel at a time.

    Hypocrisy crawls out the woodwork to shame them whenever Labour tries to make a political point these days.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Tory candidate is Sebastian Lowe.

    https://twitter.com/sebastianmlowe
    BenM said:

    The unspoken question: Where are the Tories in Rotherham by the way?

    Shouldn't the nation's mainstream opposition Party be hounding and trouncing the hapless local Labour representation after the egregious failures of care for young girls in the town?

    They seem to have melted away and so outsourced the job to vile UKIP goons whose only interest is to exploit community division and hate.

    Rotherham sorely needs the Tories to step up to the plate in the area. Where are they?

  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    BenM said:

    The unspoken question: Where are the Tories in Rotherham by the way?

    Shouldn't the nation's mainstream opposition Party be hounding and trouncing the hapless local Labour representation after the egregious failures of care for young girls in the town?

    They seem to have melted away and so outsourced the job to vile UKIP goons whose only interest is to exploit community division and hate.

    Rotherham sorely needs the Tories to step up to the plate in the area. Where are they?

    Do stop embarrassing yourself, and us.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    As we speak some journalist is busily trying to find out the ID of the crowd members in Rotherham, if any are associated with the local Labour party expect a shit storm in the press.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    Cyclefree said:

    felix said:

    Oops! And another own goal from the party which just loves tax avoidance:)


    BBC:
    13:36: Margaret Hodge attacks Labour links to PwC BBC Radio 4
    Labour MP Margaret Hodge

    Margaret Hodge MP, the chair of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) tells the BBC's World at One she thinks it is "inappropriate" for her party's shadow cabinet to be receiving support from staff on secondment from the accountancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC)

    Will she be returning all the money she earned when she worked for them?

    Worth listening to her squirm as her past record of working for PwC - including that she draws a pension - is revealed, one morsel at a time.

    Hypocrisy crawls out the woodwork to shame them whenever Labour tries to make a political point these days.
    And yet they are completely incapable of seeing it. The general view is basically that anything goes for Labour because they are the good guys. They are so 'Animal Farm'!
  • Neil said:

    isam said:


    Ukip won the popular vote by 3% in the locals and it was neck and neck in the SYPCC election...

    Labour a very poor 1/4 shot in rotherham

    Turnout will be much higher in May and the MP seems genuinely impressive (what a stroke for her that the documentary featuring her efforts to influence child protection legislation was screened this week, not that all that many constituents will have seen it). I think she's a strong favourite to win.

    Yes, it's amazing that Labour managed to find her given just how sclerotic its operation in that part of the world seems to be.

    Given the consistent abuse she has had from UKIP supporters it's not a surprise that she tweeted what she did. Hopefully, it will not cause her too many problems, though I guess the Mail and one or two other right-wing papers will do a job on her.

  • felix said:

    Cyclefree said:

    felix said:

    Oops! And another own goal from the party which just loves tax avoidance:)


    BBC:
    13:36: Margaret Hodge attacks Labour links to PwC BBC Radio 4
    Labour MP Margaret Hodge

    Margaret Hodge MP, the chair of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) tells the BBC's World at One she thinks it is "inappropriate" for her party's shadow cabinet to be receiving support from staff on secondment from the accountancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC)

    Will she be returning all the money she earned when she worked for them?

    Worth listening to her squirm as her past record of working for PwC - including that she draws a pension - is revealed, one morsel at a time.

    Hypocrisy crawls out the woodwork to shame them whenever Labour tries to make a political point these days.
    And yet they are completely incapable of seeing it. The general view is basically that anything goes for Labour because they are the good guys. They are so 'Animal Farm'!

    Whereas we all know that Labour is a vile, venal party and anyone who votes for them is repulsive pond life who no fair minded person could like.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2015
    Democracy in action: 40 protesters stop Farage in Rotherham compared to 27,949 people who voted UKIP in Rotherham in the Euro elections.

    twitter.com/emma_hoddinott/status/470672955434074112
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Worth listening to her squirm as her past record of working for PwC - including that she draws a pension - is revealed, one morsel at a time.

    Hypocrisy crawls out the woodwork to shame them whenever Labour tries to make a political point these days.

    Polly Toynbee has been touting her all week as a proposed chair of an "Office of Tax Responsibility", culminating in this

    @CathyWood55: @pollytoynbee Miliband needs to weaponise Margaret Hodge.

    That I would love to see...
  • Neil said:

    isam said:


    Ukip won the popular vote by 3% in the locals and it was neck and neck in the SYPCC election...

    Labour a very poor 1/4 shot in rotherham

    Turnout will be much higher in May and the MP seems genuinely impressive (what a stroke for her that the documentary featuring her efforts to influence child protection legislation was screened this week, not that all that many constituents will have seen it). I think she's a strong favourite to win.

    Yes, it's amazing that Labour managed to find her given just how sclerotic its operation in that part of the world seems to be.

    Given the consistent abuse she has had from UKIP supporters it's not a surprise that she tweeted what she did. Hopefully, it will not cause her too many problems, though I guess the Mail and one or two other right-wing papers will do a job on her.

    She should know better: in fact her instincts should be better. She's advocating shutting down debate by silencing (or "no platforming") critics. The irony is palpable.

    By the way, SO, congrats on your posts on Rotherham over the last few days. You get it.
  • Neil said:

    isam said:


    Ukip won the popular vote by 3% in the locals and it was neck and neck in the SYPCC election...

    Labour a very poor 1/4 shot in rotherham

    Turnout will be much higher in May and the MP seems genuinely impressive (what a stroke for her that the documentary featuring her efforts to influence child protection legislation was screened this week, not that all that many constituents will have seen it). I think she's a strong favourite to win.

    Yes, it's amazing that Labour managed to find her given just how sclerotic its operation in that part of the world seems to be.

    Given the consistent abuse she has had from UKIP supporters it's not a surprise that she tweeted what she did. Hopefully, it will not cause her too many problems, though I guess the Mail and one or two other right-wing papers will do a job on her.

    I predict it will widely be presented on here as a complete disaster for Labour, that will cause utter meltdown among its ranks and lead to a contagion of electoral failure across the Red Riding. And that the remaining 99.999999% of the UK population won't notice.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Ishmael_X said:

    BenM said:

    The unspoken question: Where are the Tories in Rotherham by the way?

    Shouldn't the nation's mainstream opposition Party be hounding and trouncing the hapless local Labour representation after the egregious failures of care for young girls in the town?

    They seem to have melted away and so outsourced the job to vile UKIP goons whose only interest is to exploit community division and hate.

    Rotherham sorely needs the Tories to step up to the plate in the area. Where are they?

    Do stop embarrassing yourself, and us.
    Yes, let's all avoid legitimate questions.
  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289

    shadsy said:

    Labour in particular seem to do a very good job of getting their top people in very safe seats. I don't think a single cabinet minister lost their seat in 2010, although Ed Balls came close.

    Douglas Alexander would like a word
    There's a structural reason for Cabinet Ministers and Shadows generally having safe seats. You need 10-15 years of steady promotion to get there (if that's your aim), and usually that will include one election where you party did badly. Anyone with a marginal seat is likely to lose, interrupting their career. So it's not that when you're a front-bencher you magically get a safe seat, but that people with safe seats have a better chance to become front-benchers.
    That must be part of it. But also there are quite a few people at the top of the Labour party who were obviously rising stars before they became MPs and, as a result, got very safe seats, to which they have no local connection. They were obviously just much better than the local candidates, who would otherwise have had an advantage.
    e.g. Miliband x 2, Reeves, Hunt.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    You have to hand it to the Labour Party. It would try and make political capital out of 2 dogs shagging in the street if they were wearing Tory rosettes.

    Labour presided over the needless death of thousands of patients in Mid Staffs and elsewhere, squandered £billions on a failed IT system and began the systematic privatisation of the NHS but Andy Burnham is indignant when anyone dares criticise Labour's handling of the NHS and it's weaponising of the topic.

    Labour presided over the wholesale abuse of thousands of mostly teenage girls by Asian gangs in Rotherham and elsewhere but the current Labour MP blames Nigel Farage for daring to suggest Labour in many parts of the north of England is corrupt and rotten to the core.

    Let's see the media actually expose Labour's record in our civic society and across the NHS.

    Incidentally I wonder how much happier the LibDem association in Redcar must be today with the resignation of a whole group of Labour councillors.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    Cyclefree said:

    felix said:

    Oops! And another own goal from the party which just loves tax avoidance:)


    BBC:
    13:36: Margaret Hodge attacks Labour links to PwC BBC Radio 4
    Labour MP Margaret Hodge

    Margaret Hodge MP, the chair of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) tells the BBC's World at One she thinks it is "inappropriate" for her party's shadow cabinet to be receiving support from staff on secondment from the accountancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC)

    Will she be returning all the money she earned when she worked for them?

    Worth listening to her squirm as her past record of working for PwC - including that she draws a pension - is revealed, one morsel at a time.

    Hypocrisy crawls out the woodwork to shame them whenever Labour tries to make a political point these days.
    Margaret Hodge is a self-righteous hypocrite whose deplorable record at Islington Council should bar her from our airwaves and, in my view, Parliament. Someone who ran a council where children in care were abused, who had no adequate procedures to protect those children, who denied the scale of the problem when it was uncovered preferring to lash out at the press and who, and this is the most disgraceful of all, attacked victims who complained is not, in my view, fit to be an MP let alone someone who seems to think it her duty to lecture the rest of us on morality.

    She was also Minister for Children from 2003 - 2005. Note that this was at a time when councils such as Rotherham were busy turning a blind eye to widespread child abuse in their town.

    The fact that she even thought she might be in the running to be Labour candidate for London Mayor and that when she withdrew she bestoyed her imprimatur on a black or ethnic minority candidate is testament only to her monumentally over-sized ego.

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    felix said:

    Cyclefree said:

    felix said:

    Oops! And another own goal from the party which just loves tax avoidance:)


    BBC:
    13:36: Margaret Hodge attacks Labour links to PwC BBC Radio 4
    Labour MP Margaret Hodge

    Margaret Hodge MP, the chair of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) tells the BBC's World at One she thinks it is "inappropriate" for her party's shadow cabinet to be receiving support from staff on secondment from the accountancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC)

    Will she be returning all the money she earned when she worked for them?

    Worth listening to her squirm as her past record of working for PwC - including that she draws a pension - is revealed, one morsel at a time.

    Hypocrisy crawls out the woodwork to shame them whenever Labour tries to make a political point these days.
    And yet they are completely incapable of seeing it. The general view is basically that anything goes for Labour because they are the good guys. They are so 'Animal Farm'!

    Whereas we all know that Labour is a vile, venal party and anyone who votes for them is repulsive pond life who no fair minded person could like.
    No - although BenM and, today the fragrant Ms. Champion, do seem to have let the mask slip.
    As for Ms Hodge I'm sure she was as tireless a worker for PWC as when she used to run Children's Services in, Camden, was it? I forget. OMG I'm Ed Balls!
  • El_SidEl_Sid Posts: 145
    Might be relevant to know what the distribution of all seats with >15000 majorities etc is, before drawing conclusions. Can we have normalised data?

    Aside from the point about many big majorities predating the recent influx of women, I can imagine that places like Glasgow will have a lot of big majorities and a relatively low proportion of working women, so their MPs will tend to reflect the working population.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    shadsy said:

    also there are quite a few people at the top of the Labour party who were obviously rising stars before they became MPs and, as a result, got very safe seats, to which they have no local connection. They were obviously just much better than the local candidates, who would otherwise have had an advantage.
    e.g. Miliband x 2, Reeves, Hunt.

    there are quite a few people at the top of the Labour party who were obviously rising stars part of a cosy elite through family or other connections

    Fixed it for you...

    At least one of your 'stars' went Supernova last night and is heading for a Black Hole
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Digitalnun: Poor Tristram Hunt. Think how much brighter he might be if he'd been taught by nuns. ;)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited February 2015
    El_Sid said:

    Might be relevant to know what the distribution of all seats with >15000 majorities etc is, before drawing conclusions. Can we have normalised data?

    Aside from the point about many big majorities predating the recent influx of women, I can imagine that places like Glasgow will have a lot of big majorities and a relatively low proportion of working women, so their MPs will tend to reflect the working population.

    I've done a spreadsheet of the 2010 election results so you can see them on one page so-to-speak if you're interested...
  • Incidentally I wonder how much happier the LibDem association in Redcar must be today with the resignation of a whole group of Labour councillors.

    They'll be ecstatic as they may now be able to snatch defeat from the jaws of annihilation.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Jacqui Smith was an exception: Redditch was never really a safe seat.
    shadsy said:

    shadsy said:

    Labour in particular seem to do a very good job of getting their top people in very safe seats. I don't think a single cabinet minister lost their seat in 2010, although Ed Balls came close.

    Douglas Alexander would like a word
    There's a structural reason for Cabinet Ministers and Shadows generally having safe seats. You need 10-15 years of steady promotion to get there (if that's your aim), and usually that will include one election where you party did badly. Anyone with a marginal seat is likely to lose, interrupting their career. So it's not that when you're a front-bencher you magically get a safe seat, but that people with safe seats have a better chance to become front-benchers.
    That must be part of it. But also there are quite a few people at the top of the Labour party who were obviously rising stars before they became MPs and, as a result, got very safe seats, to which they have no local connection. They were obviously just much better than the local candidates, who would otherwise have had an advantage.
    e.g. Miliband x 2, Reeves, Hunt.
  • BenM said:

    felix said:

    Twitter
    Sarah Champion MP @SarahChampionMP


    Hilarious Farage is trapped inside the #Rotherham UKIP shop by people objecting to him coming to rubber neck at victims!
    12:57 PM - 6 Feb 2015

    Labour really are the nasty party - the level of hypocricy in that tweet is staggering and I'm no UKIP fan.

    Farage ran away from the breastfeeding woman!

    Funny as hell. Jog on Farage - your vile Party not wanted in Rotherham.
    Clearly wanted more than Labour judging by the local election results.
  • It's that lard again.

    'General Election 2015 Polls Are 'Corrupted' And Should Be Banned, Says Labour Peer

    A senior Labour peer has accused polling companies of becoming "corrupted" by money from newspapers who want to influence the outcome of the general election in May.
    Lord Foulkes, who was a Labour MP from 1979 until 2005, said polls were increasingly "being manipulated at the behest of people with money, whether they be the media or individuals, as part of the political process". He has also called for there to be a ban on the publication of opinion polls in the weeks leading up to election day.'

    https://archive.today/8WMKA#selection-3981.0-3993.334
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Incidentally I wonder how much happier the LibDem association in Redcar must be today with the resignation of a whole group of Labour councillors.

    Did they resign their seats? I thought they just resigned their executive posts
  • Just read the article about the Rotherham protests

    What is this "bigatry" they oppose?
  • Neil said:

    isam said:


    Ukip won the popular vote by 3% in the locals and it was neck and neck in the SYPCC election...

    Labour a very poor 1/4 shot in rotherham

    Turnout will be much higher in May and the MP seems genuinely impressive (what a stroke for her that the documentary featuring her efforts to influence child protection legislation was screened this week, not that all that many constituents will have seen it). I think she's a strong favourite to win.

    Yes, it's amazing that Labour managed to find her given just how sclerotic its operation in that part of the world seems to be.

    Given the consistent abuse she has had from UKIP supporters it's not a surprise that she tweeted what she did. Hopefully, it will not cause her too many problems, though I guess the Mail and one or two other right-wing papers will do a job on her.

    They don't need to do a job on her. She has done a job on herself.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Just read the article about the Rotherham protests

    What is this "bigatry" they oppose?

    The bigatry of spelling nazis
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Colour me shocked. Labour stalwart doesn't like objective polls showing his party about to lose 90% of its seats in Scotland.

    It's that lard again.

    'General Election 2015 Polls Are 'Corrupted' And Should Be Banned, Says Labour Peer

    A senior Labour peer has accused polling companies of becoming "corrupted" by money from newspapers who want to influence the outcome of the general election in May.
    Lord Foulkes, who was a Labour MP from 1979 until 2005, said polls were increasingly "being manipulated at the behest of people with money, whether they be the media or individuals, as part of the political process". He has also called for there to be a ban on the publication of opinion polls in the weeks leading up to election day.'

    https://archive.today/8WMKA#selection-3981.0-3993.334

  • Incidentally, though I hesitate to give advice to the Labour Party, I can't help feeling that it's not particularly in their interests to draw attention to the party-political ramifications of the Rotherham scandal.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    Scott_P said:

    @Digitalnun: Poor Tristram Hunt. Think how much brighter he might be if he'd been taught by nuns. ;)

    He might also have learnt better manners, rather than the bien-pensant condescension he displayed.

    Hunt is an example of the sort of person who has been so apparently well educated (good A-levels, degree, post-grad etc) that it takes a while to realise that he really is not very intelligent at all, has scarcely an original thought in his head and lacks any sort of curiosity about anything outside his own well-polished but rather limited world, physical and mental.

  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Cyclefree said:

    felix said:

    Oops! And another own goal from the party which just loves tax avoidance:)


    BBC:
    13:36: Margaret Hodge attacks Labour links to PwC BBC Radio 4
    Labour MP Margaret Hodge

    Margaret Hodge MP, the chair of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) tells the BBC's World at One she thinks it is "inappropriate" for her party's shadow cabinet to be receiving support from staff on secondment from the accountancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC)

    Will she be returning all the money she earned when she worked for them?

    I wonder if she has found out yet how Stemcor managed to pay only 0.01% Corporation Tax on £2.1 billion of turnover generated in the UK.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Neil said:

    isam said:


    Ukip won the popular vote by 3% in the locals and it was neck and neck in the SYPCC election...

    Labour a very poor 1/4 shot in rotherham

    Turnout will be much higher in May and the MP seems genuinely impressive (what a stroke for her that the documentary featuring her efforts to influence child protection legislation was screened this week, not that all that many constituents will have seen it). I think she's a strong favourite to win.

    Yes, it's amazing that Labour managed to find her given just how sclerotic its operation in that part of the world seems to be.

    Given the consistent abuse she has had from UKIP supporters it's not a surprise that she tweeted what she did. Hopefully, it will not cause her too many problems, though I guess the Mail and one or two other right-wing papers will do a job on her.

    They don't need to do a job on her. She has done a job on herself.
    I'm sure she'll be happy to have her constituents judge her on her record in May.

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    felix said:

    Oops! And another own goal from the party which just loves tax avoidance:)


    BBC:
    13:36: Margaret Hodge attacks Labour links to PwC BBC Radio 4
    Labour MP Margaret Hodge

    Margaret Hodge MP, the chair of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) tells the BBC's World at One she thinks it is "inappropriate" for her party's shadow cabinet to be receiving support from staff on secondment from the accountancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC)

    Will she be returning all the money she earned when she worked for them?

    Worth listening to her squirm as her past record of working for PwC - including that she draws a pension - is revealed, one morsel at a time.

    Hypocrisy crawls out the woodwork to shame them whenever Labour tries to make a political point these days.
    Margaret Hodge is a self-righteous hypocrite whose deplorable record at Islington Council should bar her from our airwaves and, in my view, Parliament. Someone who ran a council where children in care were abused, who had no adequate procedures to protect those children, who denied the scale of the problem when it was uncovered preferring to lash out at the press and who, and this is the most disgraceful of all, attacked victims who complained is not, in my view, fit to be an MP let alone someone who seems to think it her duty to lecture the rest of us on morality.

    She was also Minister for Children from 2003 - 2005. Note that this was at a time when councils such as Rotherham were busy turning a blind eye to widespread child abuse in their town.

    The fact that she even thought she might be in the running to be Labour candidate for London Mayor and that when she withdrew she bestoyed her imprimatur on a black or ethnic minority candidate is testament only to her monumentally over-sized ego.

    Why Keith Vaz remains in politics, is a mystery too.
  • Miss Cyclefree, he's been well-trained to jump through academic hoops.

    Mr. Vale, it's a typo. They're industrialists, opposed to a bigger tree.
  • Just read the article about the Rotherham protests

    What is this "bigatry" they oppose?

    Against taller trees?
  • Scott_P said:

    Just read the article about the Rotherham protests

    What is this "bigatry" they oppose?

    The bigatry of spelling nazis
    Ooh! :-)

    I know we all make typos sometimes but you would think if you are ordering a large number of placards you would check...
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