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edited January 2015 in General

imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » New betting market: How many cabinet ministers will lose their seats?

Clearly the most vulnerable are the five Lib Dems and Education Secretary, Nicky Morgan, whose Loughborough seat is a marginal. Carmichael and Cable look pretty secure. Ed Davey should be OK in Kingston giving the recent Ashcroft poll.

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  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    first.

    Is there also market on how many shadow cabinet ministers won't be back?
  • dr_spyn said:

    first.

    Is there also market on how many shadow cabinet ministers won't be back?

    They could only name 4 and then got stuck.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Who are the cabinet members (In full) ?
  • Up until she got her cabinet seat, I didn't think Nicky Morgan would hold on. Lately, she's been very visible, in the local papers, kissing babies, often out jogging in and around the town. I thought Labour would do her, but their candidate seems invisible.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    edited January 2015
    One (Danny Alexander) looks a pretty good bet. You could bet against Nicky Morgan as well to be safe.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    FPT

    "Opec, of which Saudi is the leading member - has been losing market share to shale oil producers in the world's largest economy with Nigeria recently dropping out of the list of member countries that supply North America."

    Saudi is dropping prices so that it keeps up with the dropping price. It was losing market share otherwise.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/11207301/Brent-crude-tumbles-as-Saudi-escalates-Opec-oil-price-war.html
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    In order of vulnerability (IMHO):

    Danny Alexander
    Ed Davey
    Nicky Morgan
    Nick Clegg
    Stephen Crabb
    Vince Cable
    The rest

    One looks like the value bet to me at 3/1. But three at 4/1 is perhaps also worth a flutter.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538

    Surprisingly, only two of them look at all vulnerable (Danny Alexander and Nicky Morgan)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    I see the above still think EICIPM
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited January 2015
    How do Betfair treat William Hague for the purposes of this bet?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    £25 on one at 3-1 .
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Never mind this, how about their "Green Deposits Saved" market?

    What percentage of Green candidates will save their deposits (by winning more than 5% of the vote) at the General Election?

    20% or below 8/1
    and a saver on 21-30% at 6/1
  • I'll go for one.
  • The only other Tory who could be under threat is Crabb with a 4.5k maj in Preseli Pembrokeshire. He ought to hang on unless Lab do really well.
  • Great to see Betfair Sportsbook entering the politics market with a good range of bets.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Great to see Betfair Sportsbook entering the politics market with a good range of bets.

    Good? They're fantastic. Reminiscent of 2005 William Hills.
  • Great to see Betfair Sportsbook entering the politics market with a good range of bets.

    Good? They're fantastic. Reminiscent of 2005 William Hills.
    Quiet!
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    He ought to hang on unless Lab do really well.

    Crabb is quite high profile, he's regularly on the Walesonline website.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    How is Kingston & Surbiton polling ?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Just seen Clegg claiming LD will borrow less than LAB.

    IFS think LAB to borrow £25bn LD to borrow £26bn according to Sky
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Helpfully to Nicky (I think) there is a Green party candidate in Loughborough this time round, which there wasn't last time.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Hell of a statistic from the US:

    Only 9% of college-educated mothers who give birth each year are unmarried, compared with 61% of high-school dropouts.
  • taffys said:

    He ought to hang on unless Lab do really well.

    Crabb is quite high profile, he's regularly on the Walesonline website.

    Based on the poll on ITV Wales yesterday the Tories would hold all their seats other than Cardiff North. So at the moment he looks safe.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    edited January 2015

    The only other Tory who could be under threat is Crabb with a 4.5k maj in Preseli Pembrokeshire. He ought to hang on unless Lab do really well.

    The Labour Wales polling looked like the Scottish polling normally does.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    How do Betfair treat William Hague for the purposes of this bet?

    He's not standing so he's not going to lose his seat I would assume.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    I see the above still think EICIPM

    Their Nowcast is showing Con 29.8% Lab 32.3% so either they are applying some hefty adjustments to the polling average or they're not up to date with that.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @_alexforrest: Interesting piece. RT: @EconBizFin Falling crude prices are forcing Greenland to put off plans to split from Denmark http://t.co/u3u0su0nm6
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    The Labour Wales polling looked like the Scottish polling normally does.

    I'm not sure Wales is going to be as boring as everybody thinks. Plaid and UKIP could make it interesting.

    Bridgend might be an interesting seat, labour defending a 2,000 majority.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    I see the above still think EICIPM

    Their Nowcast is showing Con 29.8% Lab 32.3% so either they are applying some hefty adjustments to the polling average or they're not up to date with that.
    Have you a link to this please?
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    edited January 2015
    Re: YouGov Poll for ITV Wales

    The Wales-wide poll showed Labour on 37% (up 1% since the last poll in early December), the Conservatives on 23% (no change), Ukip on 16% (-2%), Plaid Cymru on 10% (-1%), the Greens on 8% (+3%), the Liberal Democrats on 6% (+1%) and Others on 1% (-1%).

    Translated into seats, on a uniform swing it would see Labour on 28 (+2), the Conservatives on 8 (no change), Plaid Cymru on 3 (no change) and the Liberal Democrats on 1 (-2).

    Cardiff North and Cardiff Central would be won by Labour, with Mari Williams beating the Conservatives’ new candidate Craig Williams in the former and Jo Stevens defeating Lib Dem sitting MP Jenny Willott in the latter.

    In Brecon and Radnorshire, the Tories’ Chris Davies would defeat Lib Dem MP Roger Williams.

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/general-election-could-damp-squib-8521804

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/yooqei4d9h/ITVWales_January15_w.pdf
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    I see the above still think EICIPM

    Their Nowcast is showing Con 29.8% Lab 32.3% so either they are applying some hefty adjustments to the polling average or they're not up to date with that.
    Have you a link to this please?
    Found it you are right doesnt look right does it?

    Wonder how much impact last nights polls will make?
  • woody662woody662 Posts: 255
    The UKIP candidate has changed. He's switched to NW Leics for some reason
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Never mind this, how about their "Green Deposits Saved" market?

    What percentage of Green candidates will save their deposits (by winning more than 5% of the vote) at the General Election?

    20% or below 8/1
    and a saver on 21-30% at 6/1

    was 50%+ fav?

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    edited January 2015
    isam said:

    Never mind this, how about their "Green Deposits Saved" market?

    What percentage of Green candidates will save their deposits (by winning more than 5% of the vote) at the General Election?

    20% or below 8/1
    and a saver on 21-30% at 6/1

    was 50%+ fav?

    :D

    @Quincel has been quiet here of late...
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    http://electionforecast.co.uk/

    I see the above still think EICIPM

    Their Nowcast is showing Con 29.8% Lab 32.3% so either they are applying some hefty adjustments to the polling average or they're not up to date with that.
    Have you a link to this please?
    http://electionforecast.co.uk/ and click on the Nowcast (GB) tab
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    isam said:

    Never mind this, how about their "Green Deposits Saved" market?

    What percentage of Green candidates will save their deposits (by winning more than 5% of the vote) at the General Election?

    20% or below 8/1
    and a saver on 21-30% at 6/1

    was 50%+ fav?


    41-50 per cent 2/1
    31 - 40 per cent 3/1
    51 - 60 per cent 3/1
    21 to 30 per cent 11/2 [from 6/1]
    20 per cent or below 7/1 [from 8/1]
    61 to 70 per cent 17/2
    71 to 80 per cent 10/1
    81 per cent or above 14/1

    Absurd imo.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    edited January 2015
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Never mind this, how about their "Green Deposits Saved" market?

    What percentage of Green candidates will save their deposits (by winning more than 5% of the vote) at the General Election?

    20% or below 8/1
    and a saver on 21-30% at 6/1

    was 50%+ fav?


    41-50 per cent 2/1
    31 - 40 per cent 3/1
    51 - 60 per cent 3/1
    21 to 30 per cent 11/2 [from 6/1]
    20 per cent or below 7/1 [from 8/1]
    61 to 70 per cent 17/2
    71 to 80 per cent 10/1
    81 per cent or above 14/1

    Absurd imo.
    Without looking at any stats my inclination would be they wouldnt save many deposits, I think you have got the value
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    Sorry, 20% or below is the number of deposits they will retain??? Why, why must I be stuck on network that blocks connections to bookmakers websites?
  • Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Never mind this, how about their "Green Deposits Saved" market?

    What percentage of Green candidates will save their deposits (by winning more than 5% of the vote) at the General Election?

    20% or below 8/1
    and a saver on 21-30% at 6/1

    was 50%+ fav?

    :D

    @Quincel has been quiet here of late...
    He's quiet because I met him on Saturday and dazzled him with my footwear.

    Those red shoes.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    @Neil Can Green funds stretch to putting up a deposit for me in North East Derbyshire - Every little helps and all that.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    edited January 2015
    I've booked the 8th off work btw - anything more in place about some sort of GE party, I do hope @Peterthepunter brings his best frock if there is one.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Pulpstar said:

    @Neil Can Green funds stretch to putting up a deposit for me in North East Derbyshire - Every little helps and all that.

    You are stuck with Ms Engel methinks
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    Pulpstar said:

    @Neil Can Green funds stretch to putting up a deposit for me in North East Derbyshire - Every little helps and all that.

    You are stuck with Ms Engel methinks
    Yes, and that's not a terrible thing - she replied to a letter I wrote and is a decent local MP.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @Neil Can Green funds stretch to putting up a deposit for me in North East Derbyshire - Every little helps and all that.

    You are stuck with Ms Engel methinks
    Yes, and that's not a terrible thing - she replied to a letter I wrote and is a decent local MP.
    Did she send you a Xmas card my mum got one from her?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Should Ed rule out a Natalition ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11372177/The-prospect-of-a-coalition-between-Ed-Miliband-and-Alex-Salmond-could-win-the-election-for-the-Tories.html

    "And one of the most powerful weapons available to the Tories could be, if it is given enough attention, the risks that flow from a minority Labour government being propped up by the SNP making further demands. Miliband has declined to rule out a pact on the duff advice of Labour in Scotland, based on the theory that voters north of the border are well used to pacts at Holyrood and would have little problem with a Labour/Nat deal in London. So that's okay, then?

    No. It overlooks how unpopular the notion of Scots dictating to England is likely to be in much of England, particularly in the heavily populated south.
    The Labour strategy also leaves the party looking utterly ridiculous on both sides of the border, with Miliband contemplating a deal with the Nats, while Jim Murphy fights to avoid the death (yes, the death) of the Scottish Labour party at the hands of the SNP."
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Tim Montgomerie ن ‏@montie Jan 25
    Never forget: the same politicians, bankers and businesses who wanted us to follow Greece into the € now say Britain should stay in the EU
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @Neil Can Green funds stretch to putting up a deposit for me in North East Derbyshire - Every little helps and all that.

    You are stuck with Ms Engel methinks
    Yes, and that's not a terrible thing - she replied to a letter I wrote and is a decent local MP.
    Did she send you a Xmas card my mum got one from her?
    Nope ;)
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    Making bets on LD seats on the basis of Ashcroft polls all of which are already somewhat out of date does seem 'courageous minister'!
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Socrates said:

    Hell of a statistic from the US:

    Only 9% of college-educated mothers who give birth each year are unmarried, compared with 61% of high-school dropouts.

    Thats why they are dropping out. Poor bastards!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
    Bah, I only got 4/1. But like you, I would have had it odds-on. After all, last time around they saved their deposits in only 7 seats.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @Neil Can Green funds stretch to putting up a deposit for me in North East Derbyshire - Every little helps and all that.

    You are stuck with Ms Engel methinks
    Yes, and that's not a terrible thing - she replied to a letter I wrote and is a decent local MP.
    Her Conservative opponent last time (Huw Merriman, who did remarkably well in the circumstances) speaks very well of her.

    I agree that she should be safe this time round, although Lee Rowley seems to have been working very hard in the constituency and I think will put in a respectable performance.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
    Bah, I only got 4/1. But like you, I would have had it odds-on. After all, last time around they saved their deposits in only 7 seats.
    So we're all in agreement the Green surge is all lentil farts and no follow through ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
    Bah, I only got 4/1. But like you, I would have had it odds-on. After all, last time around they saved their deposits in only 7 seats.
    What did you get limited to ?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
    Bah, I only got 4/1. But like you, I would have had it odds-on. After all, last time around they saved their deposits in only 7 seats.
    I wonder what their national % cut-off is to make this a winner? The key is the number of seats they stand in.

    Electoral Forecast has them making 5% in 189 seats (counting exactly 5 as a half-seat) based on a central forecast of 4.3%. In practice I think their vote distribution may be more skewed than this.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
    Bah, I only got 4/1. But like you, I would have had it odds-on. After all, last time around they saved their deposits in only 7 seats.
    What did you get limited to ?
    I put £20 on this. I've spent the bulk of this month's planned betting money already, sigh. Still, it's important to be disciplined.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    TGOHF said:

    Should Ed rule out a Natalition ?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11372177/The-prospect-of-a-coalition-between-Ed-Miliband-and-Alex-Salmond-could-win-the-election-for-the-Tories.html

    "And one of the most powerful weapons available to the Tories could be, if it is given enough attention, the risks that flow from a minority Labour government being propped up by the SNP making further demands. Miliband has declined to rule out a pact on the duff advice of Labour in Scotland, based on the theory that voters north of the border are well used to pacts at Holyrood and would have little problem with a Labour/Nat deal in London. So that's okay, then?

    No. It overlooks how unpopular the notion of Scots dictating to England is likely to be in much of England, particularly in the heavily populated south.
    The Labour strategy also leaves the party looking utterly ridiculous on both sides of the border, with Miliband contemplating a deal with the Nats, while Jim Murphy fights to avoid the death (yes, the death) of the Scottish Labour party at the hands of the SNP."

    Just what I said on the last thread.

    Labour are screwed.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    O/T But made me smile...

    The French have been told to repay 1 Billion Euros in falsely claimed CAP subsidies!

    http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/country-news/France-told-to-repay-107bn-euros-in-EU-farm-aid_447270.html
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    edited January 2015
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
    Bah, I only got 4/1. But like you, I would have had it odds-on. After all, last time around they saved their deposits in only 7 seats.
    What did you get limited to ?
    I put £20 on this. I've spent the bulk of this month's planned betting money already, sigh. Still, it's important to be disciplined.
    Got limited to 13 here, but I guess £13 at 8-1 is ok :)

    Must have me as a marked account after I slammed into Hallam.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
    Bah, I only got 4/1. But like you, I would have had it odds-on. After all, last time around they saved their deposits in only 7 seats.
    What did you get limited to ?
    I put £20 on this. I've spent the bulk of this month's planned betting money already, sigh. Still, it's important to be disciplined.
    Got limited to 13 here, but I guess £13 at 8-1 is ok :)
    It's now 5/2.

    EDIT The market has closed again.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
    Bah, I only got 4/1. But like you, I would have had it odds-on. After all, last time around they saved their deposits in only 7 seats.
    So we're all in agreement the Green surge is all lentil farts and no follow through ?
    If they do follow through then my other positions are likely to look better. So this looks like a freeish hedge.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited January 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
    Bah, I only got 4/1. But like you, I would have had it odds-on. After all, last time around they saved their deposits in only 7 seats.
    What did you get limited to ?
    I put £20 on this. I've spent the bulk of this month's planned betting money already, sigh. Still, it's important to be disciplined.
    Got limited to 13 here, but I guess £13 at 8-1 is ok :)

    Must have me as a marked account after I slammed into Hallam.
    13 @ 8/1, 1 @ 7/1, 11 @ 4/1. Curious algorithm.

    EDIT - it obviously works out your max bet as £100/current price, rounded, less whatever you've had already. Dunno whether the £100 is standard limit or whether I'm cut.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Shadsy drops Labour over/under level again.. Now 279.5
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @Neil Can Green funds stretch to putting up a deposit for me in North East Derbyshire - Every little helps and all that.

    You are stuck with Ms Engel methinks
    Yes, and that's not a terrible thing - she replied to a letter I wrote and is a decent local MP.
    Her Conservative opponent last time (Huw Merriman, who did remarkably well in the circumstances) speaks very well of her.

    I agree that she should be safe this time round, although Lee Rowley seems to have been working very hard in the constituency and I think will put in a respectable performance.
    Strange comment from Lee Rowley below

    For the first time in 30 years, North East Derbyshire is one of the most marginal seats in the country. Based on the General Election result in 2010, it is likely that whoever wins North East Derbyshire in 2015 will be the party that forms the next majority government.

    I think Natascha will win but dont think that means EICIPM

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Shame about Ed Davey.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
    Bah, I only got 4/1. But like you, I would have had it odds-on. After all, last time around they saved their deposits in only 7 seats.
    What did you get limited to ?
    I put £20 on this. I've spent the bulk of this month's planned betting money already, sigh. Still, it's important to be disciplined.
    When you are given an opportunity like this you've got to go for it plan be damned.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    edited January 2015

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @Neil Can Green funds stretch to putting up a deposit for me in North East Derbyshire - Every little helps and all that.

    You are stuck with Ms Engel methinks
    Yes, and that's not a terrible thing - she replied to a letter I wrote and is a decent local MP.
    Her Conservative opponent last time (Huw Merriman, who did remarkably well in the circumstances) speaks very well of her.

    I agree that she should be safe this time round, although Lee Rowley seems to have been working very hard in the constituency and I think will put in a respectable performance.
    Strange comment from Lee Rowley below

    For the first time in 30 years, North East Derbyshire is one of the most marginal seats in the country. Based on the General Election result in 2010, it is likely that whoever wins North East Derbyshire in 2015 will be the party that forms the next majority government.

    I think Natascha will win but dont think that means EICIPM

    That statement is a nonsense, the Conservatives could easily get a majority and not retake NE Derbyshire.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    @Neil Can Green funds stretch to putting up a deposit for me in North East Derbyshire - Every little helps and all that.

    You are stuck with Ms Engel methinks
    Yes, and that's not a terrible thing - she replied to a letter I wrote and is a decent local MP.
    Her Conservative opponent last time (Huw Merriman, who did remarkably well in the circumstances) speaks very well of her.

    I agree that she should be safe this time round, although Lee Rowley seems to have been working very hard in the constituency and I think will put in a respectable performance.
    Strange comment from Lee Rowley below

    For the first time in 30 years, North East Derbyshire is one of the most marginal seats in the country. Based on the General Election result in 2010, it is likely that whoever wins North East Derbyshire in 2015 will be the party that forms the next majority government.

    I think Natascha will win but dont think that means EICIPM

    That statement is a nonsense, the Conservatives could easily get a majority and not retake NE Derbyshire.
    Agreed
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    He's probably just trying to encourage Conservative support in the seat and not make it feel like a wasted vote ^_~
  • Well I've backed 0- That has to be the value bet at 9/2, feels better than an 18% chance. Let's see if I collect in May. Although the most likely outcome as the odds suggest is somewhere between 1 and 2
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    James Chapman (Mail) ‏@jameschappers 1m1 minute ago

    Ukip founder Dr Alan Sked tells @HuffPostUKPol @DouglasCarswell 'lacks backbone to confront Farage + has charisma of a wet turd'. Charming!
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916

    O/T But made me smile...

    The French have been told to repay 1 Billion Euros in falsely claimed CAP subsidies!

    http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/country-news/France-told-to-repay-107bn-euros-in-EU-farm-aid_447270.html

    Highly likely the French will remain true to form and will 'forget' to pay and the EU will 'forget' to remind them.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Labour majority BF

    10.0
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Shame about Ed Davey.

    Whats the shame ?

    He'll hold I'm afraid, London Conservatives are no SNP.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,963
    Mr. Pulpstar, Davey holding on is the shame ;)
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    I understand that Britain is represented by Philip Hammond, Defence Secretary at today's Holocaust Memorial service at Auschwitz. Some other countries sent their Royals. Could we not even have found one of them to turn up? If Charles can skitter off to Riyadh at a moment's notice to pay his respects to a new king could he not have found the time to pay his respects at this event?
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited January 2015
    Utterly ridiculous.

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/glasgow-bin-lorry-tragedy-sick-5049731

    Read what the tweets said - there's a hatfull of stand-up comedians who say 'worse' every night. Sure it was distasteful, but people need to get off the outrage bus and grow some thicker skin. And the police need to spend their time elsewhere.

    How the hell did we end up in a situation like this? The hypocrisy after the defence of Charlie Hebdo is startling.

    [although I do like the Record's reporting style: "On the same day, tattooed clown Denny posted about the “elaborate skittle show” in Glasgow.", and, "Another degenerate, Ricky Clobb, posted: 'Hope the driver wasn’t the same guy who was flying that helicopter last year.'" Very malcolmg.]
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
    Bah, I only got 4/1. But like you, I would have had it odds-on. After all, last time around they saved their deposits in only 7 seats.
    What did you get limited to ?
    I put £20 on this. I've spent the bulk of this month's planned betting money already, sigh. Still, it's important to be disciplined.
    Got limited to 13 here, but I guess £13 at 8-1 is ok :)
    It's now 5/2.

    EDIT The market has closed again.
    The whole market appears to have been pulled now.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,844
    Cyclefree said:

    I understand that Britain is represented by Philip Hammond, Defence Secretary at today's Holocaust Memorial service at Auschwitz. Some other countries sent their Royals. Could we not even have found one of them to turn up? If Charles can skitter off to Riyadh at a moment's notice to pay his respects to a new king could he not have found the time to pay his respects at this event?

    Hammond is Foreign Secretary...
  • Strange comment from Lee Rowley below

    For the first time in 30 years, North East Derbyshire is one of the most marginal seats in the country. Based on the General Election result in 2010, it is likely that whoever wins North East Derbyshire in 2015 will be the party that forms the next majority government.

    I think Natascha will win but dont think that means EICIPM

    It's not that strange. On paper, if there is a majority government then it is likely that the winner of N E Derbyshire would be the winner of the majority. The Tories need a 2.6% swing to win it, which is roughly where the Con Maj region starts on UNS.

    You are right that the converse doesn't hold. Also I think the Tories won't do as well here as in some other target seats.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_England_and_Wales_election_results

    Below 20% (@ 8-1) is a stonking bet - the Greens are going to be putting up more no hopers than ever.

    I genuinely would have it odds-on, without having thought about it too hard.
    Bah, I only got 4/1. But like you, I would have had it odds-on. After all, last time around they saved their deposits in only 7 seats.
    What did you get limited to ?
    I put £20 on this. I've spent the bulk of this month's planned betting money already, sigh. Still, it's important to be disciplined.
    Got limited to 13 here, but I guess £13 at 8-1 is ok :)

    Must have me as a marked account after I slammed into Hallam.
    13 @ 8/1, 1 @ 7/1, 11 @ 4/1. Curious algorithm.

    EDIT - it obviously works out your max bet as £100/current price, rounded, less whatever you've had already. Dunno whether the £100 is standard limit or whether I'm cut.
    You're prob marked up from old BLUEsq acc
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,711

    Cyclefree said:

    I understand that Britain is represented by Philip Hammond, Defence Secretary at today's Holocaust Memorial service at Auschwitz. Some other countries sent their Royals. Could we not even have found one of them to turn up? If Charles can skitter off to Riyadh at a moment's notice to pay his respects to a new king could he not have found the time to pay his respects at this event?

    Hammond is Foreign Secretary...
    What's William up to at the moment?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    Cyclefree said:

    I understand that Britain is represented by Philip Hammond, Defence Secretary at today's Holocaust Memorial service at Auschwitz. Some other countries sent their Royals. Could we not even have found one of them to turn up? If Charles can skitter off to Riyadh at a moment's notice to pay his respects to a new king could he not have found the time to pay his respects at this event?

    Hammond is Foreign Secretary...
    You're right. My mistake.

    Even so, isn't this the sort of event that royals are made for?

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited January 2015
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I understand that Britain is represented by Philip Hammond, Defence Secretary at today's Holocaust Memorial service at Auschwitz. Some other countries sent their Royals. Could we not even have found one of them to turn up? If Charles can skitter off to Riyadh at a moment's notice to pay his respects to a new king could he not have found the time to pay his respects at this event?

    Hammond is Foreign Secretary...
    You're right. My mistake.

    Even so, isn't this the sort of event that royals are made for?

    The government planned and fought the war with broad support from the electorate. The royals are of German descent. I think it was the right call.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Afternoon all and I suspect Nicky Morgan will see a substantial increase in her majority, just like Anna Soubry and Esther McVeigh.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    Afternoon all and I suspect Nicky Morgan will see a substantial increase in her majority, just like Anna Soubry and Esther McVeigh.

    You mean NPXMP's bid to become the oldest retread since the War will end in failure?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Afternoon all and I suspect Nicky Morgan will see a substantial increase in her majority, just like Anna Soubry and Esther McVeigh.

    Sourby looking down the barrel of a 7% Lab majority according to local sources on here..
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Andrew Sinclair (@andrewpolitics)
    27/01/2015 11:59
    Former UKIP candidate for Great Yarmouth @_Matthew_Smith not guilty of 4 counts of electoral fraud
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,346
    Anorak said:

    Utterly ridiculous.

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/glasgow-bin-lorry-tragedy-sick-5049731

    Read what the tweets said - there's a hatfull of stand-up comedians who say 'worse' every night. Sure it was distasteful, but people need to get off the outrage bus and grow some thicker skin. And the police need to spend their time elsewhere.

    How the hell did we end up in a situation like this? The hypocrisy after the defence of Charlie Hebdo is startling.

    [although I do like the Record's reporting style: "On the same day, tattooed clown Denny posted about the “elaborate skittle show” in Glasgow.", and, "Another degenerate, Ricky Clobb, posted: 'Hope the driver wasn’t the same guy who was flying that helicopter last year.'" Very malcolmg.]

    Nobody has explained (at least on PB) quite why the victims and their relatives should have to tolerate such abuse. They wouldn't be expected to tolerate being bawled at in the local shopping centre or having malicious gossip spread about them so why on the virtual world? People will be poorly enough as it is.

    In general, why is it permissible to treat people in this way so personally? How many depressions, nervous breakdowns and suicides do you consider acceptable?

    That's where I find the arguments in favour of free speech weak. Because they do real harm to people in this sort of case. I'd be grateful if someone could resolve the issue, because I don't want free speech to be lost either.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    @Anorak

    "Malicious communication"?!? How long has that been an offence? That just sounds like an outright restriction on free speech - you can't even claim it incites hatred.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Betfair have Sourby at 3.5, Labour Retread at 1.33

    25/1 bar the pair.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    Anorak said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I understand that Britain is represented by Philip Hammond, Defence Secretary at today's Holocaust Memorial service at Auschwitz. Some other countries sent their Royals. Could we not even have found one of them to turn up? If Charles can skitter off to Riyadh at a moment's notice to pay his respects to a new king could he not have found the time to pay his respects at this event?

    Hammond is Foreign Secretary...
    You're right. My mistake.

    Even so, isn't this the sort of event that royals are made for?

    The government planned and fought the war with broad support from the electorate. The royals are of German descent. I think it was the right call.
    Of all the reasons for not sending a royal along the fact that Queen Victoria married a German strikes me as the daftest one. On that basis what on earth was the Queen turning up at the D-Day celebrations?

    There are plenty of younger royals around. Are they all so incredibly busy that not one could have turned up at probably the last official commemoration where there will still be living survivors present? And at a time when we have seen a rise in murderous anti-Semitism in Europe?

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Afternoon all and I suspect Nicky Morgan will see a substantial increase in her majority, just like Anna Soubry and Esther McVeigh.

    Well, who would you rather have as an MP - nodding dog lobby fodder or someone with the oomph to become a Minister?
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    So just for fun, what do we all expect in tonight's YouGov?

    I would not be surprised if it returns to a nominal Labour lead but equally a Tory lead of 1-3 is plausible.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited January 2015
    @Carnyx

    Je ne suis Charlie.

    There were plenty of off colour jokes about Nasa when the NASA Shuttle crashed.- need another seven astronauts.

    How far families of the bereaved would have seen the twitter comments is another matter, but allowing Twitter to become a court of public opinion is not a desirable outcome. If the joke was made in a comedy club, it may have been received with a stony silence. Perhaps the guy who made the Tweet should remember Wellington - publish and be damned.
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