Oh good grief. The one policy they've come up with which was even close to being an asset for them.
We should understand as gamblers He took a punt on the energy prices going up, as it did quite dramatically between the beginning of 2009 and middle of 2011, but they seem to have not noticed that the price didn't do very much at all after then, so its an odd choice, maybe there is a two year lag in the Labour decision making process
Ban is apparently aimed at avoiding offence among Jews and Muslims Publisher prohibits mentioning anything that 'could be perceived as pork' Oxford wants authors to consider 'cultural differences and sensitivities' Muslim Labour MP Khalid Mahmood calls ban 'absolute utter nonsense'
‘Jewish law prohibits eating pork, not the mention of the word, or the animal from which it derives' - Jewish Leadership Council spokesman
Indeed.
Idiotic handwringing self-censorship in academia rumbles on. The new Endarkenment.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
Strange how you missed the line in the middle of that quote
"Amongst these, the numbers were highest for respondents in London (24%) and the North (20%)"
And yet UKIP do particularly badly in London. Its just possible there are other religions that are neither Christian, Catholic, Muslim or Atheist as well, like that substantial proportion of the population that is agnostic. I think they need to publish their tables if they want to be taken seriously.
Not saying you are wrong, but it would be nice to get the full picture.
The question on religion was 'None, Christian, Catholic, Other'. The 'other' religions in the UK are Islam (4.5%), Hinduism (1.3%) and Other (1.9%) (2011 Census)
UKIP voters are either predominantly followers of 'Other' religions, or hold views closer to them than other party VI, for reference 'Con':
Net Agree:
Jews think they are better than other people: Con: -45 UKIP: -27 Other Rel: -25
In business Jews are not as honest as most people: Con: -61 UKIP: -43 Other Rel: -57
Jews have too much power in the Media: Con: -43 UKIP: -23 Other Rel: -13
Jews chase money more than other people: Con: -25 UKIP: 0 Other Rel: -22
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing nutters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Andy. You really must quote last trades rather than prices being offered on the Betfair exchange. This form of betting involves finding marches between punters prepared to bet at a certain price and those prepared to lay. What you are showing is what is being offered at the moment not the market price.
To get the last trade you need to log in and then click on the various options. You'll see a price screen and the last trade data.
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The Tories have now selected 500 candidates but oddly enough none in Sheffield. Looks like they've decided to take things easy there, maybe to assist the LDs. Only 12 weeks to go to the campaign.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
Kippers are all goose-stepping Gauleiters with German wives doncha know.
It's much easier than having anything worthwhile to put to the electorate or possibly facing up to your own screw ups inb losing all those votes you owned.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
I'm not that shocked that the most right-wing party is attracting the right-wing extremist nutters, and anyone that claims to be is playing political games tbh. The attempt to paint a whole party by the views of 9% of their membership is a typical but rather cheap tactic.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
Dont play coy. Its not the survey, its the fact that you chose to only highlight one of the many findings of that survey because it suited your political purpose. You could also have mentioned that Men (23%) agreed with it much more than Women (11%) shall we condemn all men while we are at it ?
In the same way as you glossed over the line in the middle of your two findings that mentioned 24% of people in London agreed with the statement despite UKIP being notoriously weak in London seats.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
I'm not that shocked that the most right-wing party is attracting the right-wing extremist nutters, and anyone that claims to be is playing political games tbh.
I think you're missing the point.
The people who tend to criticise Muslims most are UKIP supporters.
The people UKIP Voters views on Jews are closest to are (on the balance of probabilities) Muslims.
Dont play coy. Its not the survey, its the fact that you chose to only highlight one of the many findings of that survey because it suited your political purpose. You could also have mentioned that Men (23%) agreed with it much more than Women (11%) shall we condemn all men while we are at it ?
In the same way as you glossed over the line in the middle of your two findings that mentioned 24% of people in London agreed with the statement despite UKIP being notoriously weak in London seats.
'London' and 'Men' aren't political parties.
Go to 'Genderbetting.com', or 'Geographybetting.com' if you want to pursue those topics further......
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
I'm not that shocked that the most right-wing party is attracting the right-wing extremist nutters, and anyone that claims to be is playing political games tbh.
I think you're missing the point.
The people who tend to criticise Muslims most are UKIP supporters.
The people UKIP Voters views on Jews are closest to are (on the balance of probabilities) Muslims.
My table has four legs My dog has four legs My dog is a table.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
I'm not that shocked that the most right-wing party is attracting the right-wing extremist nutters, and anyone that claims to be is playing political games tbh.
I think you're missing the point.
The people who tend to criticise Muslims most are UKIP supporters.
The people UKIP Voters views on Jews are closest to are (on the balance of probabilities) Muslims.
My table has four legs My dog has four legs My dog is a table.
Not my fault you don't like the poll results.......
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
I'm not that shocked that the most right-wing party is attracting the right-wing extremist nutters, and anyone that claims to be is playing political games tbh.
I think you're missing the point.
The people who tend to criticise Muslims most are UKIP supporters.
The people UKIP Voters views on Jews are closest to are (on the balance of probabilities) Muslims.
My table has four legs My dog has four legs My dog is a table.
Not my fault you don't like the poll results.......
I dont care about them a lot, I'm not a kipper. But I am getting rather bored with composition fallacies being used as smears.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
I'm not that shocked that the most right-wing party is attracting the right-wing extremist nutters, and anyone that claims to be is playing political games tbh.
I think you're missing the point.
The people who tend to criticise Muslims most are UKIP supporters.
The people UKIP Voters views on Jews are closest to are (on the balance of probabilities) Muslims.
My table has four legs My dog has four legs My dog is a table.
Not my fault you don't like the poll results.......
I dont care about them a lot, I'm not a kipper. But I am getting rather bored with composition fallacies being used as smears.
How is a poll result a composition fallacy? By its nature it represents the average views of a group of people. But its clear you are uncomfortable with the results being pointed out........
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
I'm not that shocked that the most right-wing party is attracting the right-wing extremist nutters, and anyone that claims to be is playing political games tbh.
I think you're missing the point.
The people who tend to criticise Muslims most are UKIP supporters.
The people UKIP Voters views on Jews are closest to are (on the balance of probabilities) Muslims.
My table has four legs My dog has four legs My dog is a table.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
I'm not that shocked that the most right-wing party is attracting the right-wing extremist nutters, and anyone that claims to be is playing political games tbh.
I think you're missing the point.
The people who tend to criticise Muslims most are UKIP supporters.
The people UKIP Voters views on Jews are closest to are (on the balance of probabilities) Muslims.
My table has four legs My dog has four legs My dog is a table.
Not my fault you don't like the poll results.......
I dont care about them a lot, I'm not a kipper. But I am getting rather bored with composition fallacies being used as smears.
How is a poll result a composition fallacy? By its nature it represents the average views of a group of people. But its clear you are uncomfortable with the results being pointed out........
You go on believing what you like. I am perfectly happy to agree that some nutters vote kipper, I mentioned that very fact several times below. Your attempt to imply it says anything about the party is the usual tendentious nonsense.
The question on religion was 'None, Christian, Catholic, Other'. The 'other' religions in the UK are Islam (4.5%), Hinduism (1.3%) and Other (1.9%) (2011 Census)
UKIP voters are either predominantly followers of 'Other' religions, or hold views closer to them than other party VI, for reference 'Con':
Net Agree:
Jews think they are better than other people: Con: -45 UKIP: -27 Other Rel: -25
In business Jews are not as honest as most people: Con: -61 UKIP: -43 Other Rel: -57
Jews have too much power in the Media: Con: -43 UKIP: -23 Other Rel: -13
Jews chase money more than other people: Con: -25 UKIP: 0 Other Rel: -22
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
I'm not that shocked that the most right-wing party is attracting the right-wing extremist nutters, and anyone that claims to be is playing political games tbh.
I think you're missing the point.
The people who tend to criticise Muslims most are UKIP supporters.
The people UKIP Voters views on Jews are closest to are (on the balance of probabilities) Muslims.
My table has four legs My dog has four legs My dog is a table.
Not my fault you don't like the poll results.......
I dont care about them a lot, I'm not a kipper. But I am getting rather bored with composition fallacies being used as smears.
How is a poll result a composition fallacy? By its nature it represents the average views of a group of people. But its clear you are uncomfortable with the results being pointed out........
You go on believing what you like. I am perfectly happy to agree that some nutters vote kipper, I mentioned that very fact several times below.
The question on religion was 'None, Christian, Catholic, Other'. The 'other' religions in the UK are Islam (4.5%), Hinduism (1.3%) and Other (1.9%) (2011 Census)
UKIP voters are either predominantly followers of 'Other' religions, or hold views closer to them than other party VI, for reference 'Con':
Net Agree:
Jews think they are better than other people: Con: -45 UKIP: -27 Other Rel: -25
In business Jews are not as honest as most people: Con: -61 UKIP: -43 Other Rel: -57
Jews have too much power in the Media: Con: -43 UKIP: -23 Other Rel: -13
Jews chase money more than other people: Con: -25 UKIP: 0 Other Rel: -22
I haven't gone into the difference between Roman Catholics and other Christians......(which tho small, are there, not like the significantly bigger differences between UKIP VI & other parties....)
The question on religion was 'None, Christian, Catholic, Other'. The 'other' religions in the UK are Islam (4.5%), Hinduism (1.3%) and Other (1.9%) (2011 Census)
UKIP voters are either predominantly followers of 'Other' religions, or hold views closer to them than other party VI, for reference 'Con':
Net Agree:
Jews think they are better than other people: Con: -45 UKIP: -27 Other Rel: -25
In business Jews are not as honest as most people: Con: -61 UKIP: -43 Other Rel: -57
Jews have too much power in the Media: Con: -43 UKIP: -23 Other Rel: -13
Jews chase money more than other people: Con: -25 UKIP: 0 Other Rel: -22
Haha!! There are some exceedingly silly polls around at the moment aren't there? The one yesterday which began 'Do you think Cameron is a coward?' was another cracker. Sow the thought then ask them if they agree with it. Absolute pile of junk.
In other news, after tonight's storm it's going to turn very cold and potentially snowy. Not quite 1978/9 yet and I'm not sure what if any effect such things have on voting. Does it make the bounce in spring even more pronounced? Or does it make people want a change? Or does it have no effect at all? I don't know, but there's a good reason Governments like May for voting.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
LOL
I'm sure if I funded the right survey I could find lots of people other political parties don;t like
Labour and toffs Cameroons and kippers David Ward and Jews
This is sledging of the basest sort and simply points to the vacuum on the blue side atm. Lets avoid the issues affecting everyone like the deficit, defence, NHS and spin out some twaddle abour our favourite bogeymen.
Really you've dumbed yourself down to Labour's level.
Worse you can't actually see that it's counterproductive, a switchoff , a Gordon Brown dividing line where one shouldn't exist.
p.s. The Sun newspaper front is really quite extraordinary today. It shows a 43stone person / couple who claim £34k benefits and are proud of it, with the headline 'Tum and Dumber.'
And guess what? Don't tell this to UKIP but they're white.
The question on religion was 'None, Christian, Catholic, Other'. The 'other' religions in the UK are Islam (4.5%), Hinduism (1.3%) and Other (1.9%) (2011 Census)
UKIP voters are either predominantly followers of 'Other' religions, or hold views closer to them than other party VI, for reference 'Con':
Net Agree:
Jews think they are better than other people: Con: -45 UKIP: -27 Other Rel: -25
In business Jews are not as honest as most people: Con: -61 UKIP: -43 Other Rel: -57
Jews have too much power in the Media: Con: -43 UKIP: -23 Other Rel: -13
Jews chase money more than other people: Con: -25 UKIP: 0 Other Rel: -22
I haven't gone into the difference between Roman Catholics and other Christians......(which tho small, are there, not like the significantly bigger differences between UKIP VI & other parties....)
Given the decline in the purple polling I can understand why Farage is so desperate to muscle his way in.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
LOL
I'm sure if I funded the right survey I could find lots of people other political parties don;t like
Labour and toffs Cameroons and kippers David Ward and Jews
The survey was done by an a-politivcal organisation dedicated to fighting anti-semitism, not a political party out to traduce another party's voters.
The results are what the results are, and for one I find anti-semitism more disturbing than 'Labour & Toffs'......even if you don't
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
LOL
I'm sure if I funded the right survey I could find lots of people other political parties don;t like
Labour and toffs Cameroons and kippers David Ward and Jews
The survey was done by an a-politivcal organisation dedicated to fighting anti-semitism, not a political party out to traduce another party's voters.
The results are what the results are, and for one I find anti-semitism more disturbing than 'Labour & Toffs'......even if you don't
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
LOL
I'm sure if I funded the right survey I could find lots of people other political parties don;t like
Labour and toffs Cameroons and kippers David Ward and Jews
The survey was done by an a-politivcal organisation dedicated to fighting anti-semitism, not a political party out to traduce another party's voters.
The results are what the results are, and for one I find anti-semitism more disturbing than 'Labour & Toffs'......even if you don't
I am actually still not sure what point you are trying to make... some nutters vote UKIP, yes, we know.... and....
Undoubtedly some Muslims are the source of some of the UK's anti-Semitism.
But they don't have a monopoly.......
There are also degrees of anti-semitism. Some may dislike Jews, others go into kosher supermarkets with assault rifles intent on murder. I have never seen a kipper justify the latter.
In other news, after tonight's storm it's going to turn very cold and potentially snowy. Not quite 1978/9 yet and I'm not sure what if any effect such things have on voting. Does it make the bounce in spring even more pronounced? Or does it make people want a change? Or does it have no effect at all? I don't know, but there's a good reason Governments like May for voting.
Did the massive floods last winter shift voting intention? I wouldn't have said so, and a credible critique of government cuts to flood defence funding could have been made.
I don't think the normal seasonal cycle is going to have much effect either - even if another crackpot Tory defector to UKIP can be found to blame it all on the gayers.
Prime Minister David Cameron, who said he would pursue banning encrypted messaging services if Britain’s intelligence services were not given access to the communications.
Prime Minister David Cameron, who said he would pursue banning encrypted messaging services if Britain’s intelligence services were not given access to the communications.
Absolutely as simple as that. The messages are encrypted point to point, from one user to the other, the provider in the middle only sees the encrypted traffic.
And I am tired of saying this, its a trivial programming exercise to produce your own app which does the same, it won't stop any terrorists, it will just piss off the youth vote.
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
LOL
I'm sure if I funded the right survey I could find lots of people other political parties don;t like
Labour and toffs Cameroons and kippers David Ward and Jews
The survey was done by an a-politivcal organisation dedicated to fighting anti-semitism, not a political party out to traduce another party's voters.
The results are what the results are, and for one I find anti-semitism more disturbing than 'Labour & Toffs'......even if you don't
I am actually still not sure what point you are trying to make... some nutters vote UKIP, yes, we know.... and....
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
LOL
I'm sure if I funded the right survey I could find lots of people other political parties don;t like
Labour and toffs Cameroons and kippers David Ward and Jews
The survey was done by an a-politivcal organisation dedicated to fighting anti-semitism, not a political party out to traduce another party's voters.
The results are what the results are, and for one I find anti-semitism more disturbing than 'Labour & Toffs'......even if you don't
I am actually still not sure what point you are trying to make... some nutters vote UKIP, yes, we know.... and....
Your words, not mine. And enough 'some' to shift the UKIP response significantly versus the other parties'......
The anti-semitism study. Possibly reading between the lines a bit, as the question does not appear to have been directly asked, ("respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist") 'Muslim' appears to in some cases be less important than UKIP VI for holding certain views:
"Jews think they are better than other people” 17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP.... 25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
LOL
I'm sure if I funded the right survey I could find lots of people other political parties don;t like
Labour and toffs Cameroons and kippers David Ward and Jews
The survey was done by an a-politivcal organisation dedicated to fighting anti-semitism, not a political party out to traduce another party's voters.
The results are what the results are, and for one I find anti-semitism more disturbing than 'Labour & Toffs'......even if you don't
I am actually still not sure what point you are trying to make... some nutters vote UKIP, yes, we know.... and....
Your words, not mine. And enough 'some' to shift the UKIP response significantly versus the other parties'......
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
How is a study into anti-semitism in the UK 'panic from the Cameroons?'
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
LOL
I'm sure if I funded the right survey I could find lots of people other political parties don;t like
Labour and toffs Cameroons and kippers David Ward and Jews
The survey was done by an a-politivcal organisation dedicated to fighting anti-semitism, not a political party out to traduce another party's voters.
The results are what the results are, and for one I find anti-semitism more disturbing than 'Labour & Toffs'......even if you don't
I am actually still not sure what point you are trying to make... some nutters vote UKIP, yes, we know.... and....
Your words, not mine. And enough 'some' to shift the UKIP response significantly versus the other parties'......
I am bored with this tendentious nonsense. So you are getting all excited because 39 people out of their sample of almost 4000 turned out to be right-wing nutters, and when offered a choice of four parties opened for the most right-wing, since they weren't offered the option of any extreme right parties in the poll. If you consider that an attack on UKIP there is no wonder the Conservatives are doing so badly.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
That seems pretty UNLIKELY since encrypted communications are banned in France, in fact it demonstrates the futility of the whole idea.
In other news, after tonight's storm it's going to turn very cold and potentially snowy. Not quite 1978/9 yet and I'm not sure what if any effect such things have on voting. Does it make the bounce in spring even more pronounced? Or does it make people want a change? Or does it have no effect at all? I don't know, but there's a good reason Governments like May for voting.
Did the massive floods last winter shift voting intention? I wouldn't have said so, and a credible critique of government cuts to flood defence funding could have been made.
I don't think the normal seasonal cycle is going to have much effect either - even if another crackpot Tory defector to UKIP can be found to blame it all on the gayers.
Actually I think there's evidence that the Conservatives did suffer in Somerset at both local level (sorry for the pun) and at the Euros from the flooding issue. People were deeply unhappy there, and still are, about it.
I remember when I studied politics seeing some stats that a remarkable number of people who vote don't make their mind up until the actual day (something like 5% IIRC), and some of them do so depending on their mood, some of which is based on what it looks like when they draw the curtains. Can't beat democracy 'eh?
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
LOL
I'm sure if I funded the right survey I could find lots of people other political parties don;t like
Labour and toffs Cameroons and kippers David Ward and Jews
The survey was done by an a-politivcal organisation dedicated to fighting anti-semitism, not a political party out to traduce another party's voters.
The results are what the results are, and for one I find anti-semitism more disturbing than 'Labour & Toffs'......even if you don't
I am actually still not sure what point you are trying to make... some nutters vote UKIP, yes, we know.... and....
Your words, not mine. And enough 'some' to shift the UKIP response significantly versus the other parties'......
I am bored with this tendentious nonsense. So you are getting all excited because 39 people out of their sample of almost 4000 turned out to be right-wing nutters, and when offered a choice of four parties opened for the most right-wing, since they weren't offered the option of any extreme right parties in the poll. If you consider that an attack on UKIP there is no wonder the Conservatives are doing so badly.
I am amused at the strenuous efforts to 'explain away' polling data - keep going - its a hoot!
But in case you belatedly start to read the data, over 1,000 (1,020) didn't opt for one of the four parties, so perhaps some of the 'right wing nutters' are in there, since they can't all be in UKIP, surely?
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
LOL
I'm sure if I funded the right survey I could find lots of people other political parties don;t like
Labour and toffs Cameroons and kippers David Ward and Jews
The survey was done by an a-politivcal organisation dedicated to fighting anti-semitism, not a political party out to traduce another party's voters.
The results are what the results are, and for one I find anti-semitism more disturbing than 'Labour & Toffs'......even if you don't
I am actually still not sure what point you are trying to make... some nutters vote UKIP, yes, we know.... and....
Your words, not mine. And enough 'some' to shift the UKIP response significantly versus the other parties'......
I am bored with this tendentious nonsense. So you are getting all excited because 39 people out of their sample of almost 4000 turned out to be right-wing nutters, and when offered a choice of four parties opened for the most right-wing, since they weren't offered the option of any extreme right parties in the poll. If you consider that an attack on UKIP there is no wonder the Conservatives are doing so badly.
I am amused at the strenuous efforts to 'explain away' polling data - keep going - its a hoot!
But in case you belatedly start to read the data, over 1,000 (1,020) didn't opt for one of the four parties, so perhaps some of the 'right wing nutters' are in there, since they can't all be in UKIP, surely?
No I am bored, go and bother someone else with your strained efforts, much better than actually getting policies someone might want to vote for.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
That seems pretty UNLIKELY since encrypted communications are banned in France, in fact it demonstrates the futility of the whole idea.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
Can you link to the information you're referring to about how they communicated? Then we can look at what would have to be banned to prevent them doing it (probably several hundred years of mathematics but we'll see) and what impact doing that would have on everybody else's security.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
Do you just make up stuff so that your party's policy can be justified? i guess this whats known as "Policy based evidence making."
It probably tells us that a certain number of right-wing n'tters intend to vote UKIP, in the same way as a certain number of left-wing nutters intend to vote Green. That's the "benefit" of being the largest credible party at either end of the political spectrum, you pick up all the malcontents on the extremes because you are "less bad" for them than the other parties nearer the middle. I dont think it say much about UKIP that party any more than having a load of communists voting Green says anything about the Green Party.
Its just more of the same panic from the Cameroons.
LOL
I'm sure if I funded the right survey I could find lots of people other political parties don;t like
Labour and toffs Cameroons and kippers David Ward and Jews
The survey was done by an a-politivcal organisation dedicated to fighting anti-semitism, not a political party out to traduce another party's voters.
The results are what the results are, and for one I find anti-semitism more disturbing than 'Labour & Toffs'......even if you don't
I am actually still not sure what point you are trying to make... some nutters vote UKIP, yes, we know.... and....
Your words, not mine. And enough 'some' to shift the UKIP response significantly versus the other parties'......
I am bored with this tendentious nonsense. So you are getting all excited because 39 people out of their sample of almost 4000 turned out to be right-wing nutters, and when offered a choice of four parties opened for the most right-wing, since they weren't offered the option of any extreme right parties in the poll. If you consider that an attack on UKIP there is no wonder the Conservatives are doing so badly.
I am amused at the strenuous efforts to 'explain away' polling data - keep going - its a hoot!
But in case you belatedly start to read the data, over 1,000 (1,020) didn't opt for one of the four parties, so perhaps some of the 'right wing nutters' are in there, since they can't all be in UKIP, surely?
No I am bored, go and bother someone else with your strained efforts, much better than actually getting policies someone might want to vote for.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
That seems pretty UNLIKELY since encrypted communications are banned in France, in fact it demonstrates the futility of the whole idea.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
Can you link to the information you're referring to about how they communicated? Then we can look at what would have to be banned to prevent them doing it (probably several hundred years of mathematics but we'll see) and what impact doing that would have on everybody else's security.
Given that encrypted communication is banned in France we can conclude one of two things.
either.
They were not using encrypted communication, in which case there is no case to ban things like SnapChat and WhatsApp implied by this incident.
or
They were using encrypted communication, in which case the ban made no difference to that fact.
(and the ban in France is massively more draconian than anything we would get to fly here)
p.s. The Sun newspaper front is really quite extraordinary today. It shows a 43stone person / couple who claim £34k benefits and are proud of it, with the headline 'Tum and Dumber.'
And guess what? Don't tell this to UKIP but they're white.
You mean don't tell this to the Tories. You're the ones with the white nation preference Immigration policy.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
That seems pretty UNLIKELY since encrypted communications are banned in France, in fact it demonstrates the futility of the whole idea.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
That seems pretty UNLIKELY since encrypted communications are banned in France, in fact it demonstrates the futility of the whole idea.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
That seems pretty UNLIKELY since encrypted communications are banned in France, in fact it demonstrates the futility of the whole idea.
The short version is you can use cryptography for authentication and integrity freely, anything else is very restricted.
So WhatsApp et al are already banned in France?
How the hell should I know. I am just telling you what their law says. If they chose not to enforce it thats a different matter.
The whole WhatsApp think is a total red herring, any professional programmer could make you an equivalent app in less than a day.
WhatApp uses the OTR Encryption protocol, which is downloadable as a library to use in your own software, and is currently used in about 20 different chat apps, most of them freeware. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
That seems pretty UNLIKELY since encrypted communications are banned in France, in fact it demonstrates the futility of the whole idea.
The short version is you can use cryptography for authentication and integrity freely, anything else is very restricted.
That bit's about importing and exporting from outside the EU. That doesn't prevent anything meaningful because everything you need is already inside the EU.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
That seems pretty UNLIKELY since encrypted communications are banned in France, in fact it demonstrates the futility of the whole idea.
The short version is you can use cryptography for authentication and integrity freely, anything else is very restricted.
That bit's about importing and exporting from outside the EU. That doesn't prevent anything meaningful because everything you need is already inside the EU.
p.s. The Sun newspaper front is really quite extraordinary today. It shows a 43stone person / couple who claim £34k benefits and are proud of it, with the headline 'Tum and Dumber.'
And guess what? Don't tell this to UKIP but they're white.
"Miliband, Clegg and Farage say debates must go ahead - even if PM stays away
David Cameron must be “empty chaired” by broadcasters if he refuses to take part in televised general election debates, rival party leaders have demanded.
Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage have sent identical letters to the Prime Minister, warning him it would be “unacceptable” for him to block the debates.
The co-ordinated letters said it would be a “major setback” for democracy if the debates do not go ahead due to the “political self-interest” of one party leader.
Labour, the Liberal Democrats and Ukip will ask the broadcasters to go ahead with the debate and present an empty podium for the Conservative leader if Mr Cameron does not take part."
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
That seems pretty UNLIKELY since encrypted communications are banned in France, in fact it demonstrates the futility of the whole idea.
The short version is you can use cryptography for authentication and integrity freely, anything else is very restricted.
That bit's about importing and exporting from outside the EU. That doesn't prevent anything meaningful because everything you need is already inside the EU.
Thats the first section, read the second section.
I did, it says that since 1999 the use of crypto is entirely free.
Isam Carlotta I suggest Cameron and Bennett send rival letters to Miliband, Clegg and Farage demanding they agree to the Greens' inclusion in the debates
"Miliband, Clegg and Farage say debates must go ahead - even if PM stays away
David Cameron must be “empty chaired” by broadcasters if he refuses to take part in televised general election debates, rival party leaders have demanded.
Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage have sent identical letters to the Prime Minister, warning him it would be “unacceptable” for him to block the debates.
The co-ordinated letters said it would be a “major setback” for democracy if the debates do not go ahead due to the “political self-interest” of one party leader.
Labour, the Liberal Democrats and Ukip will ask the broadcasters to go ahead with the debate and present an empty podium for the Conservative leader if Mr Cameron does not take part."
Does seem to me that the Greens, given they at least won one seat at the last GE, have as much right as UKIP to be present. I know all about opinion poll ratings etc, but as most of here know, campaigning at a GE is different from that at by-elections.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
That seems pretty UNLIKELY since encrypted communications are banned in France, in fact it demonstrates the futility of the whole idea.
The short version is you can use cryptography for authentication and integrity freely, anything else is very restricted.
That bit's about importing and exporting from outside the EU. That doesn't prevent anything meaningful because everything you need is already inside the EU.
Thats the first section, read the second section.
I did, it says that since 1999 the use of crypto is entirely free.
France As of 2011 and since 2004, the law for trust in the digital economy (LCEN) mostly liberalized the use of cryptography.
As long as cryptography is only used for authentication and integrity purposes, it can be freely used
But as I said before, its really besides the point, since making your own secure messaging application is trivial in the extreme, since most of the key libraries are included in just about any software development toolkit, and the others are easily downloadable.
The question as to whether or not Murphy is the consummate political hoor has been handsomely answered, all that remains to be seen is will enough people buy his slippery charms over the next 4 months.
"Miliband, Clegg and Farage say debates must go ahead - even if PM stays away
David Cameron must be “empty chaired” by broadcasters if he refuses to take part in televised general election debates, rival party leaders have demanded.
Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage have sent identical letters to the Prime Minister, warning him it would be “unacceptable” for him to block the debates.
The co-ordinated letters said it would be a “major setback” for democracy if the debates do not go ahead due to the “political self-interest” of one party leader.
Labour, the Liberal Democrats and Ukip will ask the broadcasters to go ahead with the debate and present an empty podium for the Conservative leader if Mr Cameron does not take part."
Does seem to me that the Greens, given they at least won one seat at the last GE, have as much right as UKIP to be present. I know all about opinion poll ratings etc, but as most of here know, campaigning at a GE is different from that at by-elections.
So you think George Galloway should be present too?
Why isn't Cameron demanding he is there? Respect have a seat
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
That seems pretty UNLIKELY since encrypted communications are banned in France, in fact it demonstrates the futility of the whole idea.
The short version is you can use cryptography for authentication and integrity freely, anything else is very restricted.
That bit's about importing and exporting from outside the EU. That doesn't prevent anything meaningful because everything you need is already inside the EU.
Thats the first section, read the second section.
I did, it says that since 1999 the use of crypto is entirely free.
France As of 2011 and since 2004, the law for trust in the digital economy (LCEN) mostly liberalized the use of cryptography.
As long as cryptography is only used for authentication and integrity purposes, it can be freely used
But as I said before, its really besides the point, since making your own secure messaging application is trivial in the extreme, since most of the key libraries are included in just about any software development toolkit, and the others are easily downloadable.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
That seems pretty UNLIKELY since encrypted communications are banned in France, in fact it demonstrates the futility of the whole idea.
The short version is you can use cryptography for authentication and integrity freely, anything else is very restricted.
That bit's about importing and exporting from outside the EU. That doesn't prevent anything meaningful because everything you need is already inside the EU.
Thats the first section, read the second section.
I did, it says that since 1999 the use of crypto is entirely free.
France As of 2011 and since 2004, the law for trust in the digital economy (LCEN) mostly liberalized the use of cryptography.
As long as cryptography is only used for authentication and integrity purposes, it can be freely used
But as I said before, its really besides the point, since making your own secure messaging application is trivial in the extreme, since most of the key libraries are included in just about any software development toolkit, and the others are easily downloadable.
That's clumsily phrased but the previous piece you link is clear.
Indeed. I haven't been in Europe for five years so I dont know which version is correct, but tbh is irrelevant anyway, banning encryption wont stop terrorists, they dont follow the "not killing people" law, so why do people think they will follow the "dont encode your messages" law. Come to that you dont even need encryption for confidentiality, a digitial signature will do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaffing_and_winnowing which even lets you decode to different messages depending on what key you use, so maybe either "wicked plans" or "recipe for potato chips"
"Miliband, Clegg and Farage say debates must go ahead - even if PM stays away
David Cameron must be “empty chaired” by broadcasters if he refuses to take part in televised general election debates, rival party leaders have demanded.
Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage have sent identical letters to the Prime Minister, warning him it would be “unacceptable” for him to block the debates.
The co-ordinated letters said it would be a “major setback” for democracy if the debates do not go ahead due to the “political self-interest” of one party leader.
Labour, the Liberal Democrats and Ukip will ask the broadcasters to go ahead with the debate and present an empty podium for the Conservative leader if Mr Cameron does not take part."
Does seem to me that the Greens, given they at least won one seat at the last GE, have as much right as UKIP to be present. I know all about opinion poll ratings etc, but as most of here know, campaigning at a GE is different from that at by-elections.
So you think George Galloway should be present too?
Why isn't Cameron demanding he is there? Respect have a seat
"Miliband, Clegg and Farage say debates must go ahead - even if PM stays away
David Cameron must be “empty chaired” by broadcasters if he refuses to take part in televised general election debates, rival party leaders have demanded.
Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage have sent identical letters to the Prime Minister, warning him it would be “unacceptable” for him to block the debates.
The co-ordinated letters said it would be a “major setback” for democracy if the debates do not go ahead due to the “political self-interest” of one party leader.
Labour, the Liberal Democrats and Ukip will ask the broadcasters to go ahead with the debate and present an empty podium for the Conservative leader if Mr Cameron does not take part."
Does seem to me that the Greens, given they at least won one seat at the last GE, have as much right as UKIP to be present. I know all about opinion poll ratings etc, but as most of here know, campaigning at a GE is different from that at by-elections.
So you think George Galloway should be present too?
Why isn't Cameron demanding he is there? Respect have a seat
Great idea, and I look forward to UKIP signing another joint letter, but I can't see Farage agreeing to it somehow.
Seems pretty clear that the French terrorists were communicating using an encrypted means.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
Do you just make up stuff so that your party's policy can be justified? i guess this whats known as "Policy based evidence making."
I hope the media has the balls to have the debates with a cardboard cutout of Cameron. It'd make as much sense as the real thing anyway.
Cameron is a frit clown.
Î suspect the broadcaster's lawyers will sink the debates without Cameron, because they won't know how to satisfy their legal obligations to give equal airtime to the parties
The question as to whether or not Murphy is the consummate political hoor has been handsomely answered, all that remains to be seen is will enough people buy his slippery charms over the next 4 months.
For fans of political control of the internet and communications, I'll just leave this here, it has the usual amount of hypobole, but on the basics its pretty much on the money
Sneakers (1992) is a fun film, its a bit cheesey but still one of my favourites, and it does contain this prescient quote
"There's a war out there, old friend. A world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information. What we see and hear, how we work, what we think... it's all about the information!"
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Ban is apparently aimed at avoiding offence among Jews and Muslims
Publisher prohibits mentioning anything that 'could be perceived as pork'
Oxford wants authors to consider 'cultural differences and sensitivities'
Muslim Labour MP Khalid Mahmood calls ban 'absolute utter nonsense' Indeed.
Idiotic handwringing self-censorship in academia rumbles on. The new Endarkenment.
"Jews think they are better than other people”
17% of British adults believe this to be true, however the number was 27% amongst respondents who intend to vote for UKIP....
25% of respondents who were neither Christian, Catholic nor atheist also thought that the statement was true.
http://antisemitism.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Annual-Antisemitism-Barometer-Report.pdf
"Amongst these, the numbers were highest for respondents in London (24%) and the North (20%)"
And yet UKIP do particularly badly in London. Its just possible there are other religions that are neither Christian, Catholic, Muslim or Atheist as well, like that substantial proportion of the population that is agnostic. I think they need to publish their tables if they want to be taken seriously.
Not saying you are wrong, but it would be nice to get the full picture.
EDIT: Full tables on YouGov http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/jqf80l3ea6/CampaignAgainstAntisemitismResults_MergedFile_W.pdf
Sample wasn't weighted for VI, and yet makes claims on the basis of it.
The question on religion was 'None, Christian, Catholic, Other'. The 'other' religions in the UK are Islam (4.5%), Hinduism (1.3%) and Other (1.9%) (2011 Census)
UKIP voters are either predominantly followers of 'Other' religions, or hold views closer to them than other party VI, for reference 'Con':
Net Agree:
Jews think they are better than other people:
Con: -45
UKIP: -27
Other Rel: -25
In business Jews are not as honest as most people:
Con: -61
UKIP: -43
Other Rel: -57
Jews have too much power in the Media:
Con: -43
UKIP: -23
Other Rel: -13
Jews chase money more than other people:
Con: -25
UKIP: 0
Other Rel: -22
http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/jqf80l3ea6/CampaignAgainstAntisemitismResults_MergedFile_W.pdf
Kippers are all goose-stepping Gauleiters with German wives doncha know.
It's much easier than having anything worthwhile to put to the electorate or possibly facing up to your own screw ups inb losing all those votes you owned.
These are the views of UKIP voters, whether people like them or not.....but the irony that (possibly) UKIP voters are (on average) as or more anti-semitic than Muslims should not pass unremarked, given the evident concern of some of them with Muslims and their 'backward views'.....
In the same way as you glossed over the line in the middle of your two findings that mentioned 24% of people in London agreed with the statement despite UKIP being notoriously weak in London seats.
The people who tend to criticise Muslims most are UKIP supporters.
The people UKIP Voters views on Jews are closest to are (on the balance of probabilities) Muslims.
[visage innocent]
Go to 'Genderbetting.com', or 'Geographybetting.com' if you want to pursue those topics further......
My dog has four legs
My dog is a table.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukip-leader-nigel-farage-muslims-responsible-rising-anti-semitism-uk-1478218
Undoubtedly some Muslims are the source of some of the UK's anti-Semitism.
But they don't have a monopoly.......
In other news, after tonight's storm it's going to turn very cold and potentially snowy. Not quite 1978/9 yet and I'm not sure what if any effect such things have on voting. Does it make the bounce in spring even more pronounced? Or does it make people want a change? Or does it have no effect at all? I don't know, but there's a good reason Governments like May for voting.
I'm sure if I funded the right survey I could find lots of people other political parties don;t like
Labour and toffs
Cameroons and kippers
David Ward and Jews
This is sledging of the basest sort and simply points to the vacuum on the blue side atm. Lets avoid the issues affecting everyone like the deficit, defence, NHS and spin out some twaddle abour our favourite bogeymen.
Really you've dumbed yourself down to Labour's level.
Worse you can't actually see that it's counterproductive, a switchoff , a Gordon Brown dividing line where one shouldn't exist.
And guess what? Don't tell this to UKIP but they're white.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2015_United_Kingdom_general_election
If only they could be so candid about the rest of them.
https://twitter.com/ThatGingerJenni/status/555032073296412672
https://twitter.com/JasonClarkson3/status/555042187592089600
The results are what the results are, and for one I find anti-semitism more disturbing than 'Labour & Toffs'......even if you don't
I don't think the normal seasonal cycle is going to have much effect either - even if another crackpot Tory defector to UKIP can be found to blame it all on the gayers.
Prime Minister David Cameron, who said he would pursue banning encrypted messaging services if Britain’s intelligence services were not given access to the communications.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/01/12/british-prime-minister-suggests-banning-some-online-messaging-apps/?_r=0
And I am tired of saying this, its a trivial programming exercise to produce your own app which does the same, it won't stop any terrorists, it will just piss off the youth vote.
If the French police hand been able to hack into that or temporarily shut it down it might have been all over a lot quicker and people might still be alive.
Just so everyone can send knob pictures - yay.
I remember when I studied politics seeing some stats that a remarkable number of people who vote don't make their mind up until the actual day (something like 5% IIRC), and some of them do so depending on their mood, some of which is based on what it looks like when they draw the curtains. Can't beat democracy 'eh?
But in case you belatedly start to read the data, over 1,000 (1,020) didn't opt for one of the four parties, so perhaps some of the 'right wing nutters' are in there, since they can't all be in UKIP, surely?
@MrHarryCole: You can't trust Labour with the NHS: http://t.co/HKf9BtfnGd
either.
They were not using encrypted communication, in which case there is no case to ban things like SnapChat and WhatsApp implied by this incident.
or
They were using encrypted communication, in which case the ban made no difference to that fact.
(and the ban in France is massively more draconian than anything we would get to fly here)
The short version is you can use cryptography for authentication and integrity freely, anything else is very restricted.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11344105/Labour-Lib-Dems-Ukip-threaten-to-empty-chair-David-Cameron-in-TV-debates.html
The whole WhatsApp think is a total red herring, any professional programmer could make you an equivalent app in less than a day.
WhatApp uses the OTR Encryption protocol, which is downloadable as a library to use in your own software, and is currently used in about 20 different chat apps, most of them freeware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-Record_Messaging
David Cameron must be “empty chaired” by broadcasters if he refuses to take part in televised general election debates, rival party leaders have demanded.
Ed Miliband, Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage have sent identical letters to the Prime Minister, warning him it would be “unacceptable” for him to block the debates.
The co-ordinated letters said it would be a “major setback” for democracy if the debates do not go ahead due to the “political self-interest” of one party leader.
Labour, the Liberal Democrats and Ukip will ask the broadcasters to go ahead with the debate and present an empty podium for the Conservative leader if Mr Cameron does not take part."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11344105/Labour-Lib-Dems-Ukip-threaten-to-empty-chair-David-Cameron-in-TV-debates.html
http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2014/11/wahhabism-isis-how-saudi-arabia-exported-main-source-global-terrorism
Its a couple of months old, but Armstrong is well informed on the historical context.
"Don't tell this to UKIP but they're white."
I was in Boston at the weekend - the heart of the Ukip insurgency. Guess what? Eastern Europeans are white too.
They're complaining about an influx of white people.
https://www.hubub.com/299653/299776
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography_law But as I said before, its really besides the point, since making your own secure messaging application is trivial in the extreme, since most of the key libraries are included in just about any software development toolkit, and the others are easily downloadable.
OTR the encryption used is WhatsApp is here for example https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/libotr-4.1.0.tar.gz
'SCOTS Labour leader Jim Murphy has insisted he is “not a unionist”.'
http://tinyurl.com/pjn68sp
The question as to whether or not Murphy is the consummate political hoor has been handsomely answered, all that remains to be seen is will enough people buy his slippery charms over the next 4 months.
Cameron is a frit clown.
Why isn't Cameron demanding he is there? Respect have a seat
OTR the encryption used is WhatsApp is here for example https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/libotr-4.1.0.tar.gz
That's clumsily phrased but the previous piece you link is clear.
Indeed. I haven't been in Europe for five years so I dont know which version is correct, but tbh is irrelevant anyway, banning encryption wont stop terrorists, they dont follow the "not killing people" law, so why do people think they will follow the "dont encode your messages" law. Come to that you dont even need encryption for confidentiality, a digitial signature will do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaffing_and_winnowing which even lets you decode to different messages depending on what key you use, so maybe either "wicked plans" or "recipe for potato chips"
"Fascinating analysis from a few months back by Karen Armstrong on IS, Wahhabism and Islam"
She's very good, I've read a book of hers and some other articles. Always well researched.
Hmm, how to pick and choose from 3 different meanings of the term in the Scottish context (Scottish Conservative and U, Ulster, Indyref alliance).
Of course there is a fourth meaning which is certainly true given the trade unions' general antipathy for his leadership campaign.