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"No, that's clearly not what I meant."
OK, I'm not scapegoating Islam either.
But IS and these terrorists are part of a much bigger movement than any other. There are some fragmented guerilla groups around the world with odd but localised aims. But what other group intends to make the rest of the world submit to them?
Even the communists lost interest in world domination after Trotsky was deposed. Comparing these particular Muslims with piddly little local grievance bands is silly.
"As for Paris, one hopes this is a turning point. The juncture where we stand and fight: because in the end we will have to fight, or face defeat, and see our cherished values - especially free speech - trampled and vanquished. "
Indeed !
I am Charlie
* Excludes Front National...
Hollande has shot himself in the foot, he could have chosen a display of political unity from left to right, but instead has acted not like a President above politics but as a supine PS hack.
Let us not be silly. Manson claimed to be Jesus Christ; he too had nothing to do with Christianity.
The key factor in determining the question I suppose is reading the accepted texts and jurisprudence of the great religion of Islam, and asking its scholars, and noticing the laws and sentences passed in theocratic Muslim states.
I am no expert on the provenance of this website, but it (at least) seems pretty conclusive.
http://islamqa.info/en/22809
Some quite bizarre stuff out there too, btw
http://islamqa.info/en/225012
On the Paris demos, it's probably the "least severe" Islamist terrorist outrage, but it's attracted the greatest public response
hang on she's not there...
It's been very noticeable, and humbling, that pretty well everyone interviewed has talked about "freedom of speech"!
http://islamqa.info/en/search?key=execute
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30767197
Thornberry still spinning more yarn than a cotton mill.
The Sahaabah were unanimously agreed on the executing of homosexuals, but they differed as to how they were to be executed.
Some of them, such as Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq and ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with them) thought that they should be burned to death. Some of them, such as Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) thought that they should be thrown from a tall building followed by stoning. Some of them thought that they should be stoned to death, which was narrated from both ‘Ali and Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with them).
I would say, By its very lack of mercy shown, devoid of any humanity and the indiscriminate hatred shown it has quite simply again "woken a 'sleeping' dragon and filled it with a terrible resolve."
The problem we have is that the bulk of Muslims are working in an intellectual framework of Koranic literalism. It doesn't matter how nice and polite we are in our arguments, until we show that framework is based on utterly foolish - and immoral - principles, we will never reconcile Muslims with liberal democracy.
What we need to do is either get them to leave the faith, to become notional Muslims without any true belief, or to get them to adopt them liberal Christian position that their scripture is not always literally true and certain parts should be overlooked. This will require a loud public debate where sacred cows are challenged, things that deserve mocking are mocked, and inconvenient truths about Islam are thrown in their faces. Telling people "well you're not one of the active terrorists, so all your other beliefs are fine" is not going to work.
My olive trees are now potted up. I am lucky enough to have a south-facing garden in a sheltered spot in London and a very sunny terrace (which is where the olives are). I successfully grow vines and figs and have roses regularly blooming in January. These particular olive trees (they are 5 foot tall with spiral trunks) are underplanted with lavender. I'm looking forward to sitting out on my terrace once the weather is milder.
I get fantastic views across London and the sunsets are to die for!
You also forgot to mention China. It does look as if the Islamic world is busy both fighting with itself and with everyone else as well.
What's the secret? ( I am not very green fingered)
Sadly not strong enough for this born again islamist.
Ever grow radishes? Not much work and two 'crops' a year (unlike parsnips/carrots, which take ages). My mum sometimes grows stuff, in a small way. It was surprising how many spuds a bucket could yield.
It's also astounding the difference in taste between rocket and radish that's home-grown, and supermarket stuff. We really should encourage more of such things.
You hear this term used by many a correspondent that the security services have picked up comms 'chatter'.
Curiously enough the big ears of the US have picked it up 'chatter' this weekend suggesting further attacks in Europe from Al Qaeda sources.
The problem is, is it legitimate or do the Al Qaeda types, well versed in the game of chaos and stress associated, know that its cheap way of causing more alarm by spreading some electronic noise?
This is the conundrum that Western agencies face plus the lack of good on the ground tactical intelligence in their own patch makes it hard to filter and verify.
There is not much need for it because we are all potential victims of terror.
I see already on this thread the truth is being misrepresented. I do not see anyone saying we should give up free speech to accomodate anyone. I do not think we should; Free speech is a fine concept and we should cling to it even to the extent of saying that satirical comment is bad satire and in all probability it is not going to achieve its aim.
Murdering people is wrong and as the marches show looks like it is unlikely to achieve its aim.
The terror group's Arabian Peninsula branch in Yemen, which has been linked to the attacks in Paris, has also told its members that Britain is a higher priority target then France - second only to America.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2905276/Al-Qaeda-publishes-recipe-easy-make-bomb-evade-airport-check-determined-Muslim-prepare.html#ixzz3OX1SUNnw
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It is what it is. It's here to stay. It's growing exponentially. It's radicalising. And it's starting to kill us.
Now we can discuss solutions, if any...
This is quite simply "jihadi Kamikazee" but as before' there is nothing Devine about it.
But to make it clear - beyond any shadow of a doubt - that whatever your religious views / taboos etc, these are private to those who share your faith and can have no purchase on public discourse and behaviour, on the public space.
That is the issue: if Muslims don't want Mohammed drawn (and the issue of the cartoons' offensiveness is a strawman. It's the fact of any depiction which is taboo.) they don't have to. But what they (or some of them, anyway) are seeking to do is impose that on the public space. And we have to say no to that.
To make it clear that religion in the Western world is a private matter. By all means follow it, but don't assume that your strength of feeling about it gives you some sort of moral high ground entitling you to impose on it on others, whether through violence or otherwise.
You can practice is it you like but be aware it is a minority religion.. the Church of England is the national religion and is privileged over any other
If we had done this 50 years ago they'd probably be non of this nonsense going on here at least.. probably too late now though
If Islam cannot reform and cannot learn to live with others, we are facing dark days.
http://islamqa.info/en/search?key=democracy
Why on Earth should religious denominations like the Methodists and the Quakers have to accept Anglicanism gets privileged over them, because Muslims are a highly intolerant lot?
Basically the two ways I can see working are
(a) Complete control by one dominant religion, which will be privileged with no concessions for any other (UAE)
This would mean extremely tight immigration laws
or
(b) a relatively equal split of all religions (Singapore) this would mean a very controlled immigration policy with quotas for each religion
The answer on vines I have found is this. Vitis Brant - found in most garden centres. Plant in a sunny spot. I leave it outside. Prune after the leaves have fallen - it has the most glorious autumn colours. After a few years you will get grapes. It does need regular (i.e. yearly) pruning otherwise it can take over. And that's it.
I never take anything inside. At best I will put a good mulch on before the winter and hard frosts come. Moving plants indoors seems to put stress on them with the changes in temperature. But there again I don't know where you live.
'This is not only grotesquely illiberal (thought police much?), but wholly unnecessary. Surely what we need first is simply to apply the law equally, without special privileges. Sharia has to go. FGM has to be prosecuted. Intimidation must cease to be tolerated. Child rape must be prosecuted with vigour. It won't be pleasant, but let's surely see where we get with simple fairness.'
Spot on, plus scrap the absurd 2006 Religious Hatred Act.
Interview without coffee coming up.
Le Soir names him as Thierry Carreyn, a 53-year-old who in 1999 blew up a phone box outside the offices of Vlaams Blok - the far Right Belgian political party, now called Vlaams Belang.
16.02 Belgian newspaper Le Soir has evacuated its offices after a bomb threat which it received shortly after 2.30pm (1.30pm in the UK), Harriet Alexander reports.
A caller said "It's going to explode in your office. You're not taking us seriously." The caller said that he was acting in the name of "the extreme Left".
The caller said that he had had enough of the coverage of the Charlie Hebdo attacks, which "fuels the extreme Right."
Here we go again.
I'm happy for people to believe that the earth is flat or evolution is wrong or whatever. But I don't remember the last time one of the more eccentric Americans beheaded hordes of people and intended to execute all who didn't agree.
The Mormons are distinctly odd but to bracket them with ISIS or Boko Harum .... Are you allowed out on your own?
I mentioned this to a friend in Boston this week. "They may be packing out the schools and hospitals, pinching your jobs and trebling the drink-driving figures but they don't tend to murder you."
He still thought the minor problems were relevant, though.
Just because we can't do everything doesn't mean we shouldn't do something.
Nice try.. but try again
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
Of course, more moderate views on average is counteracted by the fact they have more Muslims than us.
But I take your point that, considering the sheer extent of backwardsness and violent tendencies that exist among Muslim populations, even an ideal policy will take a long time to bear fruit and we will still face terrorist attacks for years to come. Especially if we allow Muslims to immigrate faster than we can convince them away from literalism and towards pluralist democracy.
To be honest, I love Ryanair. Once you get to learn their quirky ways and to dodge their little rip-offs, they give you fantastic value and easy access to some great places. I guess I'm lucky in that living 25 minutes from Stanstead I can make maximum use of their cheap fares, and it's no exaggeration to say that they make the South of France and the North of Ireland closer for me than Manchester or Truro.
Well I'm nevertheless grateful to them for a dirt cheap holiday they made possible for me and mine recently in Derry-Londonderry....or Londonderry-Derry....or London Derriere, or whatever they like to call it these days.
Btw, got your horsey email. I'm not sceptical. Will be watching out for it.
I seem to recall cyclefree (one of the site's most distinguished contributors) half promised a number of inititiatives before dashing off on Thursday but I can't recall seeing them. Perhaps Socrates or Sean Thomas, inter alia, might put some flesh to the bones.
" top leaders marched together in unity including etcetera and the Israelis and the Palestinians."
That's quite an achievement for the perps last week as they have actually managed to get the Israelis and the Palestinians to march together ........at the front of a parade .......against terrorism.
Epic fail for the terrorists I would have thought if that is correct.
That is what we should convince the Muslim public with. The soft power of Chinese tat, Bollywood movies, British music and American TV. All a lot more fun than Wahabbism, and now world wide through the web and smartphones.
http://tinyurl.com/k74bjer
http://tinyurl.com/kkoh3b7
http://tinyurl.com/mha34ew
In fairness - in the cold light of day - some UKIP supporters are a bit squeamish about it all now. Others are simply in denial, claiming there's some ingenious post-modern subtlety at work which the rest of us are failing to comprehend.
The one I have is Vitas Beta ( purple blushing grape - looks great on the picture tag never seen it for real) so I guess similar but not the same. I live Somerset area so not tropical but same latitude as London as good as.
I had great visions of long balmy summers lounging on my long patio with bunches of grapes and entwined vines hanging in abundance from the wooden beams I placed across the patios "Med style" for the purpose. Well at least I have the beams. I shall try this and also find some Vitas Brant as well as a contingency .....I am not giving up just yet.
He nevertheless went to the Elysée Palace to present the country's "sincere condolences to the French president and to the French government following the despicable attacks in France this week."
I think he was referring to some marchers carrying blow-ups of the offending cartoons...
(Although I'm sure someone will be along shortly to explain how that isn't terrorism, and certainly can't be considered Christian terrorism.)
The US National Security Agency (NSA) intercepted the messages from Isil members shortly after the Paris attacks, according to a report in Germany’s Bild am Sonntag newspaper. The messages also referred to Rome, the newspaper reported, but no concrete plans are known.
In the same report, Bild claimed that MI5 has warned Britain’s European partners of possible attacks on aircraft using explosives that cannot be detected by airport security.
Western intelligence agencies are concerned that the Paris gunmen may be part of a larger network, the newspaper reported, adding that the US has preliminary evidence that the brothers Cherif and Said Kouachi had contacts in the Netherlands.
In German intelligence circles, it is assumed that the Paris gunmen had contact with other militants, but there is no evidence whether the attacks were ordered by a particular organisation, Bild reported.
The NSA succeeded in breaking a code used by Isil in its communications some months ago, the newspaper said.