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One of the features of general elections in recent times is that the Lib Dems always seem to get a boost during the campaign. Thus a 4-5% increase in their final share at the election compared with pre-formal campaign polls has almost been the norm.
It's always funny when Tories pretend their party is progressive when anyone with an IQ into double figures knows it isn't. .
No that's terribly simplistic. There are, broadly, two different wings or factions in the Conservative party. One is Tory and old school: pro fox hunting and in its extreme is typified by the old squire. It's predominantly rural.
The other is altogether different: progressive, radical, pro-business and set around the laissez-faire economy, the dog-eats-dog mentality. It's more urban and was classically represented by Margaret Thatcher who was many things and none of them were conservative.
Now you may well accuse me of being simplistic. Yes, but a lot less than you were. There is a very definite progressive wing of the party: more progressive than any other mainstream party. Dangerously so, actually, although I happen to identify more with it.
You missed out two wings
There is the Blue Labour (White Van Man) vote, who is aspirational but socially conservative, who was the force behind Thatcher victories largely because of Right To Buy.
and there is the patriotic vote, who detests the way the liberal left hates England, or at the very least can't bear to talk about it with any great joy or appreciation.
Both of which have joined your first wing in either sitting at home, or with Farage's Merry Men.
Out of interest what is the rationale to grant UKIP major party status, but neither the Greens nor the SNP.
SNP on the basis it is a regional party and the Greens on the basis of their piss poor performance in all by-elections this parliament ?
Neither of those parties are standing in all the seats would be the obvious reason. It doesnt matter how much you hear about, and even appreciate, a parties view if you can't vote for them.
By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should .
Any fair-minded person with journalistic experience will admit that during this war official censorship has not been particularly irksome. We have not been subjected to the kind of totalitarian ‘co-ordination’ that it might have been reasonable to expect. The press has some justified grievances, but on the whole the Government has behaved well and has been surprisingly tolerant of minority opinions. The sinister fact about literary censorship in England is that it is largely voluntary. – George Orwell
Have UKIP dipped in the polls? Well, this week so far they seem to have gone down to 14% on average, but they were pretty consistent during the Autumn and into December around 15-16%. December's poll average was 15.5%
By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on.
If something is relevant to a news story, any news story worth its salt should provide the relevant information. If there are excessively sensitive souls that could be offended, provide a warning. The majority of us should not receive substandard news because a minority have foolish beliefs.
I have just realised what modern politicians have been reading, our good friend Mr Orwell again, practically a textbook for the post-Blair political generation!
The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary
Today's 2015 UK Parliamentary Election Forecast also shows the Tories ahead - will Labour ever regain the lead this side of the General Election ...... possibly not.
Con ......... 284 Lab .......... 281 SNP .......... 34 LibDems .... 26 Others ......... 7 NI .............. 18
By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on.
If something is relevant to a news story, any news story worth its salt should provide the relevant information. If there are excessively sensitive souls that could be offended, provide a warning. The majority of us should not receive substandard news because a minority have foolish beliefs.
The Indy didn't go for a Hebdo cover not out of any high minded principle but out of cowardice - if they didn't think their staff would be endangered they'd have printed them.
Have UKIP dipped in the polls? Well, this week so far they seem to have gone down to 14% on average, but they were pretty consistent during the Autumn and into December around 15-16%. December's poll average was 15.5%
UKIP vote share has been dipping in council by elections since the early autumn . The average fall in seats previously contested in 2013 and in May is around 3-5 % . They are generally still polling better than in 2011/2012 .
The question of extra media attention for Ukip may well work against it than for it if past performance is anything to go.The fact that at the moment Ukip's support comes from the elderly but the party has no pensions policy is a case in point. Farage could,however, score points off Cameron in the TV debates which is one reason Cameron is trying to avoid the debates completely.It could be more to do with the fact that when he loses it and becomes Flashman,the red and purple faced Bullingdon bully boy,it is very unpleasant for voters to watch.Farage,too,must be careful as he looked well out of shape in the 1st debate with Clegg-a heavily sweating Farage won't attract either.
17.41 Paris: Reports that a second gunman in the kosher grocery store was male and has escaped. the area around the supermarket had been surrounded by police.
By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on.
If something is relevant to a news story, any news story worth its salt should provide the relevant information. If there are excessively sensitive souls that could be offended, provide a warning. The majority of us should not receive substandard news because a minority have foolish beliefs.
At least this rings the curtain down on a period of agonising uncertainty. I haven't slept since Wednesday, what with endlessly revolving in my mind the question "I wonder what audreyanne's views are on re-publishing those cartoons".
Today's 2015 UK Parliamentary Election Forecast also shows the Tories ahead - will Labour ever regain the lead this side of the General Election ...... possibly not.
Con ......... 284 Lab .......... 281 SNP .......... 34 LibDems .... 26 Others ......... 7 NI .............. 18
Today's 2015 UK Parliamentary Election Forecast also shows the Tories ahead - will Labour ever regain the lead this side of the General Election ...... possibly not.
Con ......... 284 Lab .......... 281 SNP .......... 34 LibDems .... 26 Others ......... 7 NI .............. 18
Total ........ 650 seats
The governing coalition would be just 16 seats short of a majority on these figures. Maybe worth a bet at 8.2 with Betfair on the current administration continuing after 7th May...
By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should .
Any fair-minded person with journalistic experience will admit that during this war official censorship has not been particularly irksome. We have not been subjected to the kind of totalitarian ‘co-ordination’ that it might have been reasonable to expect. The press has some justified grievances, but on the whole the Government has behaved well and has been surprisingly tolerant of minority opinions. The sinister fact about literary censorship in England is that it is largely voluntary. – George Orwell
Gollancz refused to publish Animal Farm, because it might upset The Comrades.
17.57 Apparently a telephone that had not been replaced on its socket allowed security services to listen in to Coulibaly. When he started praying, they moved in to end the siege. 17.55 There is now apparently a search underway around the supermarket.
The difference between the LDs and UKIP is that the LDs always had a set of policies that appealed to the left and were in line with what you expected, so in elections, you were reminded that the LDs existed and that you quite liked them.
With UKIP, OTOH, what people will be reminded of is what a foam-flecked angry bunch of nutters they are. They'll get coverage all right, but it'll be of Chinkies, Bongo Bongo Land, peasant hunts, gays causing floods, why can't you sluts clean behind the fridge, MEPs going whoring, them-Romanians-comin'-over-'ere-I-don't-want-them-livin'-next-door and there'll probably be an expenses scandal in there too, as we're past due for another of those from UKIP.
The question of extra media attention for Ukip may well work against it than for it if past performance is anything to go.The fact that at the moment Ukip's support comes from the elderly but the party has no pensions policy is a case in point. Farage could,however, score points off Cameron in the TV debates which is one reason Cameron is trying to avoid the debates completely.It could be more to do with the fact that when he loses it and becomes Flashman,the red and purple faced Bullingdon bully boy,it is very unpleasant for voters to watch.Farage,too,must be careful as he looked well out of shape in the 1st debate with Clegg-a heavily sweating Farage won't attract either.
You mean the debates where, by common agreement, Farage wiped the floor with Clegg? I think he could live with that.
Prof Fisher "Our central forecast is for the Tories to win the most votes – with 34% to Labour’s 31.2% –but come out with slightly fewer seats than Labour: 294 to 297 (with the Lib Dems on 29.
However, we have yet to finalise a new method that properly takes into account the SNP’s rise and Labour’s fall in Scotland – we’ll be introducing it in the next week or two. That means that, for the moment, our forecasts come with a big health warning: they are likely to overestimate Labour."
Prof Fisher "Our central forecast is for the Tories to win the most votes – with 34% to Labour’s 31.2% –but come out with slightly fewer seats than Labour: 294 to 297 (with the Lib Dems on 29.
However, we have yet to finalise a new method that properly takes into account the SNP’s rise and Labour’s fall in Scotland – we’ll be introducing it in the next week or two. That means that, for the moment, our forecasts come with a big health warning: they are likely to overestimate Labour."
Once he's done that, those forecast results would look about right to me. FWIW, on those figures, a 2nd Tory-Lib Dem coalition would have an effective majority of 1 without the shinners.
UKIP aren't going to push hard for Tory votes - it'll be Labour votes that they can cultivate in large numbers. Farage is more working-class than Ed and they'll play on that. Ed has after all never had a proper job. Not even a paper-round.
By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on.
If something is relevant to a news story, any news story worth its salt should provide the relevant information. If there are excessively sensitive souls that could be offended, provide a warning. The majority of us should not receive substandard news because a minority have foolish beliefs.
Every single newspaper in the Western world should have published those cartoons. As a giant two fingers to those who would silence us.
Today's 2015 UK Parliamentary Election Forecast also shows the Tories ahead - will Labour ever regain the lead this side of the General Election ...... possibly not.
Con ......... 284 Lab .......... 281 SNP .......... 34 LibDems .... 26 Others ......... 7 NI .............. 18
Total ........ 650 seats
The governing coalition would be just 16 seats short of a majority on these figures. Maybe worth a bet at 8.2 with Betfair on the current administration continuing after 7th May...
For the Conservatives and Lib Dems to continue as a coalition they'd need to suffer no worse than a net loss of 36 seats between them. The Lib Dems look likely to lose around 16 or 17 to Labour and SNP alone.
There is the Blue Labour (White Van Man) vote, who is aspirational but socially conservative, who was the force behind Thatcher victories largely because of Right To Buy.
and there is the patriotic vote, who detests the way the liberal left hates England, or at the very least can't bear to talk about it with any great joy or appreciation.
Both of which have joined your first wing in either sitting at home, or with Farage's Merry Men.
Yes for every small "l" liberal that Cameron has attracted to the party he has shed two activists and probably ten voters (so far)
The foxhunting issue shows up the small l liberals for what they are, utterly naive and sentimental about human nature, judging by emotion not reason. The only reason that foxes have not gone the way of Wolves in the UK centuries ago is because they were valued for hunting so the landowners and farmers held off from exterminating them all. Now there is no reason not to destroy them.
You can pass as many laws forbidding landowners exterminating foxes as you like, but you have not got a chance of catching anything more than a tiny minority of those defying such laws as far too much space and no chance of watching it all (and the people who live on the land will know if such watchers are there before such watchers know they are there - one reason rural south Armagh was such a nightmare to police during the troubles). The irony is that hunting with hounds, because it is a "natural" way of killing actually works with evolution and the fittest & cleverest survive, keeping the species healthy. Alternatives kill the fittest as well as the lame.
Similarly with the death penalty. Liberals hold up their hands at the state being brutal and think people in favour of it are nasty. They are not nasty, they just are not naive. I predict that within 25 years the death penalty will have been restored in most of Europe - and not just for murder in some countries.
I still intend to take revenge on Cameron and his small "l" liberal supporters by voting UKIP and with any luck putting Ed Miliband in office with a very weak Labour government as a result. In the ensuing chaos rich liberal tories will lose far more than I will, as they have far more to lose and the Tory party will hopefully be reclaimed from them in the ensuing party civil war. If not, UKIP will do to them in coming elections what Labour did to the Liberal party.
Sky - Four hostages and a gunman are killed in the supermarket siege as French media say a second suspect is believed to have escaped."
Dreadful news regarding the innocent victims - how on earth could one of the terrorists escape with so many police covering the scene?
Well, they were French police.
One minute you post "With UKIP, OTOH, what people will be reminded of is what a foam-flecked angry bunch of nutters they are. They'll get coverage all right, but it'll be of Chinkies, " implying UKIP supporters are racist nutters.
'Cameron is trying to avoid the debates completely.It could be more to do with the fact that when he loses it and becomes Flashman,the red and purple faced Bullingdon bully boy,it is very unpleasant for voters to watch.'
He seems to be doing so on the basis that the electoral commission don't know what they are talking about and it dosent apply to blogs rather than on the basis that he publishes in the R of I so such laws are of no effect anyway.
18.15 French police announce two hostages are being held by a gunman in a jewelry store in the southern city of Montpellier. No links have been stated to the Paris attacks. The officer, who could not be named speaking about an ongoing situation, said the attacker has locked himself inside the downtown shop, with police ready to intervene outside.
Sky - Four hostages and a gunman are killed in the supermarket siege as French media say a second suspect is believed to have escaped."
Dreadful news regarding the innocent victims - how on earth could one of the terrorists escape with so many police covering the scene?
Well, they were French police.
I hope that was a joke - even if one on very poor taste given the circumstances.
Personally I think the French security services have done a very good job so far and it is worth remembering at least 3 of the victims have been police.
By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on.
If something is relevant to a news story, any news story worth its salt should provide the relevant information. If there are excessively sensitive souls that could be offended, provide a warning. The majority of us should not receive substandard news because a minority have foolish beliefs.
Every single newspaper in the Western world should have published those cartoons. As a giant two fingers to those who would silence us.
I think you're right, but the implications of you being right are that there can be no such things as blasphemy laws. Possibly any law concerning the incitement of religious hatred is endangered too.
As an atheist I see religion as a vile plague that has caused endless suffering. I wish people would wake up.
“The international jihadist movement has declared war. They have declared war on anybody who does not think and act exactly as they wish they’d think and act. We may not like this and wish it would go away, but it’s not going to go away, and the reality is we are going to have to confront it."
Artist Obviously if Labour is ahead in votes and seats then there will be no Tory-LD coalition, however if the present polls showing about 33-33 Tory and Labour are near the result and especially if the Tories take a narrow lead, then it is possible Tory losses to Labour could be kept under 20 especially with the incumbency factor.
By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on.
If something is relevant to a news story, any news story worth its salt should provide the relevant information. If there are excessively sensitive souls that could be offended, provide a warning. The majority of us should not receive substandard news because a minority have foolish beliefs.
Every single newspaper in the Western world should have published those cartoons. As a giant two fingers to those who would silence us.
I think you're right, but the implications of you being right are that there can be no such things as blasphemy laws. Possibly any law concerning the incitement of religious hatred is endangered too.
As an atheist I see religion as a vile plague that has caused endless suffering. I wish people would wake up.
I wholeheartedly agree with you re blasphemy laws and on incitement of religious hatred.
If hell holes like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan want to have such laws that's their business but we must not allow them to dictate to us what we can do - either via their communities here or by funding schools here.
Carnyx The Scottish Greens basically grew out of the English and Welsh Greens, it was not founded as a separate party, but basically became the rUK Greens' sister party
The [English] Greens are also a regional party. But so are the Tories, Labour and the LDs as they don't operate in NI.
I was thinking about this today and came to the conclusion that the debates are really English debates so the fact that the Greens are the English (and possibly Welsh?!) Greens doesn't really come into it.
That said I don't think that Greens should be there. Personally I think it should be only those who can be PM (if we must have the debates at all), but I think there are reasons for including the Lib Dems and Ukip and not the Greens.
"By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on."
It's certainly hard to keep up. Last week we had a thread on whether 'chinks' was an acceptable word and a footballer was banned for a clumsy line on twitter.
This week the likes of David Aaronovitch are crucifying our national newspapers for choosing not to print some gratuitously offensive cartoons.
Cherif Kouachi told BFMTV that he had been funded by a network loyal to Anwar al-Awlaki, the former American-born leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula who was killed by a drone strike in 2011 in Yemen. Coulibaly swore allegiance to Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, and told BFMV the terrorist attacks were “synchronised”.
"By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on."
It's certainly hard to keep up. Last week we had a thread on whether 'chinks' was an acceptable word and a footballer was banned for a clumsy line on twitter.
This week the likes of David Aaronovitch are crucifying our national newspapers for choosing not to print some gratuitously offensive cartoons.
Could someone please make the rules clearer?
Big events Rog, the PC cobwebs have been blown away - everyone's changed their views to be in favour of free speech now.
tlg86 If you have 1 minor party, you have to have all main minor parties, especially as the Greens beat the LDs in the euros and in several polls and by-elections. The Greens, or their sister party, stand in Scotland as do UKIP. The best solution would be Miliband v Cameron as debate 1, then Miliband v Cameron v Clegg as debate 2, then Miliband v Cameron v Clegg v Farage v Bennett and maybe George Galloway as debate 3. Scotland would have separate debates too between Salmond, Murphy, Davidson and Rennie; Wales between Carwyn Jones, Andrew RT Davies, Leanne Wood and Kirsty Williams; Northern Ireland between Peter Robinson, Gerry Adams, Margaret Ritchie and David Ford. That way there can be no complaints and all parties represented in the Commons would be in the debates
Just watching Question Time from last night. Is it me, or was the audience more middle class than usual?
You'd probably expect that from Watford.
I take it back. They're not more middle class, it just feels like it isn't full of Labour plants. The Labour woman took quite a tough questioning over the Ched Evans situation.
I wonder if it was a reaction to the QT in Canterbury where the audience was a little over-excitable!
"By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on."
It's certainly hard to keep up. Last week we had a thread on whether 'chinks' was an acceptable word and a footballer was banned for a clumsy line on twitter.
This week the likes of David Aaronovitch are crucifying our national newspapers for choosing not to print some gratuitously offensive cartoons.
Could someone please make the rules clearer?
Gratuitous offense lobbied in the direction of those who want control what we think and say is exactly what is needed now and will keep on being needed until those who try and control what we may think and say slink away, never to return.
Or - as the Duke of Wellington put it - "Publish and be damned!"
Freedom of speech from the 16th century onwards was not won, slowly, against much opposition and with many setbacks, by the likes of the Audreyannes of this world but by the scabrous, the scatological, the rude, the insulting, the satirical, the persistent and, above all, the brave.
Not alone, but wrong nevertheless. How can you ever draw a line if you follow your thinking?
The British press should have published the cartoons - and they should have done so precisely to demonstrate that they'd refrained from doing so in the past through choice.
Free speech isn't some form of Tourettes where you HAVE to say EVERYTHING that can be said. Just because it insults the small amount of bad guys, we shouldn't forget that it will also upset the large amount of Muslim good guys to see their prophet insulted on the front page of every paper. These are the people we have to take with us if we have any chance of getting out of the mess that mass immigration and multiculturalism has left us in,. It would suit the terrorists just fine if there was division between "us" and "them"
"By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on."
It's certainly hard to keep up. Last week we had a thread on whether 'chinks' was an acceptable word and a footballer was banned for a clumsy line on twitter.
This week the likes of David Aaronovitch are crucifying our national newspapers for choosing not to print some gratuitously offensive cartoons.
Could someone please make the rules clearer?
Freedom of speech from the 16th century onwards was not won, slowly, against much opposition and with many setbacks, by the likes of the Audreyannes of this world but by the scabrous, the scatological, the rude, the insulting, the satirical, the persistent and, above all, the brave.
And look where your goal led: nowhere. It's a blind alley championing something without a core, without a soul. It's vacuous crap.
"By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on."
It's certainly hard to keep up. Last week we had a thread on whether 'chinks' was an acceptable word and a footballer was banned for a clumsy line on twitter.
This week the likes of David Aaronovitch are crucifying our national newspapers for choosing not to print some gratuitously offensive cartoons.
Could someone please make the rules clearer?
Freedom of speech from the 16th century onwards was not won, slowly, against much opposition and with many setbacks, by the likes of the Audreyannes of this world but by the scabrous, the scatological, the rude, the insulting, the satirical, the persistent and, above all, the brave.
And look where your goal led: nowhere. It's a blind alley championing something without a core, without a soul. It's vacuous crap.
It led to the freedom to allow you to write rubbish posts like that!
Comedy actor Lance Percival has died after 'a long illness', his family have said. He appeared in a string of comedy films including Carry On Cruising and provided one of the voices for The Beatles' cartoon film Yellow Submarine and became a regular - and witty - guest on a succession of panel shows.
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Hmmmm
Be careful what you wish for, I say to myself!
SNP on the basis it is a regional party and the Greens on the basis of their piss poor performance in all by-elections this parliament ?
There is the Blue Labour (White Van Man) vote, who is aspirational but socially conservative, who was the force behind Thatcher victories largely because of Right To Buy.
and there is the patriotic vote, who detests the way the liberal left hates England, or at the very least can't bear to talk about it with any great joy or appreciation.
Both of which have joined your first wing in either sitting at home, or with Farage's Merry Men.
[on top of reports of 4 dead]
Hopefully this will mark an end to the ordeal the Parisians have been suffering this week.
Other reports that a second male gunman in the supermarket "has escaped"...
I have just realised what modern politicians have been reading, our good friend Mr Orwell again, practically a textbook for the post-Blair political generation!
Con ......... 284
Lab .......... 281
SNP .......... 34
LibDems .... 26
Others ......... 7
NI .............. 18
Total ........ 650 seats
I hope this is over now.
Farage could,however, score points off Cameron in the TV debates which is one reason Cameron is trying to avoid the debates completely.It could be more to do with the fact that when he loses it and becomes Flashman,the red and purple faced Bullingdon bully boy,it is very unpleasant for voters to watch.Farage,too,must be careful as he looked well out of shape in the 1st debate with Clegg-a heavily sweating Farage won't attract either.
the area around the supermarket had been surrounded by police.
No live coverage or prominent reporting because Baga is in Nigeria so who cares?.
See
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/09/boko-haram-may-have-killed-2000-people-in-one-attack/
I think Lab will be ahead again on this model.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/politics/market?id=1.115878540
http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/articles/letters-agent-af.htm
http://electionsetc.com/2015/01/09/forecast-update-9-january-2015/
Methodology change due soon though.
What a week. Is this the new normal?
The situation remains very unclear.
Innocent face.
17.55 There is now apparently a search underway around the supermarket.
With UKIP, OTOH, what people will be reminded of is what a foam-flecked angry bunch of nutters they are. They'll get coverage all right, but it'll be of Chinkies, Bongo Bongo Land, peasant hunts, gays causing floods, why can't you sluts clean behind the fridge, MEPs going whoring, them-Romanians-comin'-over-'ere-I-don't-want-them-livin'-next-door and there'll probably be an expenses scandal in there too, as we're past due for another of those from UKIP.
However, we have yet to finalise a new method that properly takes into account the SNP’s rise and Labour’s fall in Scotland – we’ll be introducing it in the next week or two. That means that, for the moment, our forecasts come with a big health warning: they are likely to overestimate Labour."
Sky - Four hostages and a gunman are killed in the supermarket siege as French media say a second suspect is believed to have escaped."
Dreadful news regarding the innocent victims - how on earth could one of the terrorists escape with so many police covering the scene?
The foxhunting issue shows up the small l liberals for what they are, utterly naive and sentimental about human nature, judging by emotion not reason. The only reason that foxes have not gone the way of Wolves in the UK centuries ago is because they were valued for hunting so the landowners and farmers held off from exterminating them all. Now there is no reason not to destroy them.
You can pass as many laws forbidding landowners exterminating foxes as you like, but you have not got a chance of catching anything more than a tiny minority of those defying such laws as far too much space and no chance of watching it all (and the people who live on the land will know if such watchers are there before such watchers know they are there - one reason rural south Armagh was such a nightmare to police during the troubles). The irony is that hunting with hounds, because it is a "natural" way of killing actually works with evolution and the fittest & cleverest survive, keeping the species healthy. Alternatives kill the fittest as well as the lame.
Similarly with the death penalty. Liberals hold up their hands at the state being brutal and think people in favour of it are nasty. They are not nasty, they just are not naive. I predict that within 25 years the death penalty will have been restored in most of Europe - and not just for murder in some countries.
I still intend to take revenge on Cameron and his small "l" liberal supporters by voting UKIP and with any luck putting Ed Miliband in office with a very weak Labour government as a result. In the ensuing chaos rich liberal tories will lose far more than I will, as they have far more to lose and the Tory party will hopefully be reclaimed from them in the ensuing party civil war. If not, UKIP will do to them in coming elections what Labour did to the Liberal party.
http://order-order.com/2015/01/09/electoral-commission-trying-to-regulate-blogsnotifies-guido-conservativehome-labourlist-libdemvoice/
Guido says get lost.
Then you write "Well, they were French police."
Physician, heal thyself.
'Cameron is trying to avoid the debates completely.It could be more to do with the fact that when he loses it and becomes Flashman,the red and purple faced Bullingdon bully boy,it is very unpleasant for voters to watch.'
And Ed looks like a freak,what's your point ?
The officer, who could not be named speaking about an ongoing situation, said the attacker has locked himself inside the downtown shop, with police ready to intervene outside.
Personally I think the French security services have done a very good job so far and it is worth remembering at least 3 of the victims have been police.
As an atheist I see religion as a vile plague that has caused endless suffering. I wish people would wake up.
“The international jihadist movement has declared war. They have declared war on anybody who does not think and act exactly as they wish they’d think and act. We may not like this and wish it would go away, but it’s not going to go away, and the reality is we are going to have to confront it."
And I think it actually means life.
https://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/guido-fawkes-non-party-campaigner-letter.pdf
If hell holes like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan want to have such laws that's their business but we must not allow them to dictate to us what we can do - either via their communities here or by funding schools here.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/vicky-fox/11/b19/409
I may send her a polite note outlining my views on this.
That said I don't think that Greens should be there. Personally I think it should be only those who can be PM (if we must have the debates at all), but I think there are reasons for including the Lib Dems and Ukip and not the Greens.
"By the way, I applaud the decision of the British press not to publish the cartoons. I have kept away from this topic, knowing how the rabid right will react. So I simply remark: well done to our media. Spot bloody on."
It's certainly hard to keep up. Last week we had a thread on whether 'chinks' was an acceptable word and a footballer was banned for a clumsy line on twitter.
This week the likes of David Aaronovitch are crucifying our national newspapers for choosing not to print some gratuitously offensive cartoons.
Could someone please make the rules clearer?
Coulibaly swore allegiance to Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, and told BFMV the terrorist attacks were “synchronised”.
http://ricardhos.tumblr.com/post/107613391678/charlie-hebdo-the-british-press-and-islam
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Served those cartoonists right, if you think about it.
I wonder if it was a reaction to the QT in Canterbury where the audience was a little over-excitable!
Or - as the Duke of Wellington put it - "Publish and be damned!"
Freedom of speech from the 16th century onwards was not won, slowly, against much opposition and with many setbacks, by the likes of the Audreyannes of this world but by the scabrous, the scatological, the rude, the insulting, the satirical, the persistent and, above all, the brave.
http://paper-bird.net/2015/01/09/why-i-am-not-charlie/
Bravo!
Not alone, but wrong nevertheless. How can you ever draw a line if you follow your thinking?
The British press should have published the cartoons - and they should have done so precisely to demonstrate that they'd refrained from doing so in the past through choice.
Free speech isn't some form of Tourettes where you HAVE to say EVERYTHING that can be said. Just because it insults the small amount of bad guys, we shouldn't forget that it will also upset the large amount of Muslim good guys to see their prophet insulted on the front page of every paper. These are the people we have to take with us if we have any chance of getting out of the mess that mass immigration and multiculturalism has left us in,. It would suit the terrorists just fine if there was division between "us" and "them"
Comedy actor Lance Percival has died after 'a long illness', his family have said.
He appeared in a string of comedy films including Carry On Cruising and provided one of the voices for The Beatles' cartoon film Yellow Submarine and became a regular - and witty - guest on a succession of panel shows.