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The only other one on the UKIP “favourites to win” list is Boston and Skegness where there was a promising donor-funded Survation poll for UKIP which has yet to be looked at by Lord A.
The Mail has the uncensored photo of the injured police officer, lying on the floor with his hands up, about to be executed, at the top of its website. There is no good reason to show that.
The Mail has the uncensored photo of the injured police officer, lying on the floor with his hands up, about to be executed, at the top of its website. There is no good reason to show that.
Sky News showed the video footage earlier I think.
I predict some kipper willy waving in response to this thread....
I fear (and I know this is not what you are referring to so forgive me for hijacking your comment) that some of the less sensible voices in UKIP might see the events of today as a way to shore up support and increase their anti-muslim message. That could very seriously backfire and I hope that the people in senior positions have more sense than that.
The massive differences between some of these constituency polls that were conducted within a few months of each other makes me a bit weary about their level of accuracy.
I predict some kipper willy waving in response to this thread....
I fear (and I know this is not what you are referring to so forgive me for hijacking your comment) that some of the less sensible voices in UKIP might see the events of today as a way to shore up support and increase their anti-muslim message. That could very seriously backfire and I hope that the people in senior positions have more sense than that.
you've seen farage on channel 4 then?
Can I say that whilst we slightly disagree on the whole 'eu' thing, the slightly independent approach you take to your preferred party as opposed to a purple-herd man is refreshing!
I predict some kipper willy waving in response to this thread....
I fear (and I know this is not what you are referring to so forgive me for hijacking your comment) that some of the less sensible voices in UKIP might see the events of today as a way to shore up support and increase their anti-muslim message. That could very seriously backfire and I hope that the people in senior positions have more sense than that.
I'm not aware that UKIP have an "anti-muslim message" to "increase"
I predict some kipper willy waving in response to this thread....
I fear (and I know this is not what you are referring to so forgive me for hijacking your comment) that some of the less sensible voices in UKIP might see the events of today as a way to shore up support and increase their anti-muslim message. That could very seriously backfire and I hope that the people in senior positions have more sense than that.
you've seen farage on channel 4 then?
Can I say that whilst we slightly disagree on the whole 'eu' thing, the slightly independent approach you take to your preferred party as opposed to a purple-herd man is refreshing!
A sort of Tory Carswell if you like....
You don't think there is a group living in the UK and France who hate us?
I predict some kipper willy waving in response to this thread....
I fear (and I know this is not what you are referring to so forgive me for hijacking your comment) that some of the less sensible voices in UKIP might see the events of today as a way to shore up support and increase their anti-muslim message. That could very seriously backfire and I hope that the people in senior positions have more sense than that.
you've seen farage on channel 4 then?
Can I say that whilst we slightly disagree on the whole 'eu' thing, the slightly independent approach you take to your preferred party as opposed to a purple-herd man is refreshing!
A sort of Tory Carswell if you like....
You don't think there are a group living in the UK and France who hate us?
I think David Cameron has got very lucky with his handling of NHS being knocked off the news agenda.
Yeah, I bet he's rubbing his hands together at the prospect of more religious strife, terrorist threats and increased mistrust of Muslims that todays executions in Paris will bring.
I predict some kipper willy waving in response to this thread....
I fear (and I know this is not what you are referring to so forgive me for hijacking your comment) that some of the less sensible voices in UKIP might see the events of today as a way to shore up support and increase their anti-muslim message. That could very seriously backfire and I hope that the people in senior positions have more sense than that.
you've seen farage on channel 4 then?
Can I say that whilst we slightly disagree on the whole 'eu' thing, the slightly independent approach you take to your preferred party as opposed to a purple-herd man is refreshing!
A sort of Tory Carswell if you like....
You don't think there are a group living in the UK and France who hate us?
I think it is a bold claim that UKIP's position will actively improve come May. I think seats will be like sand trickling through UKIP's hands: lots seem like they might go purple; but only a few grains remain when all is said and done.
The Mail has the uncensored photo of the injured police officer, lying on the floor with his hands up, about to be executed, at the top of its website. There is no good reason to show that.
I believe there's a rhyming newspaper maxim that explains the reasoning.
The Mail has the uncensored photo of the injured police officer, lying on the floor with his hands up, about to be executed, at the top of its website. There is no good reason to show that.
Sky News showed the video footage earlier I think.
Only this morning, in a comment in the first of his two subtle little apparent dig at UKIP threads today OGH opined in a response to the comment that the UKIP vote share in last nights Yougov poll might be because UKIP have not been on the TV for a while "I think that is right. Insurgent parties need to be getting media attention which UKIP haven't had for some time. Even Farage's promise to go "on the wagon" in January has hardly been noticed.
I think you may be jumping the gun a but Mike, one poll doesn't mean UKIP is on the wane. I understand the need to get in early, and not wanting to lower the tone, but with what is happening across the channel it leaves UKIP in a stronger position than yesterday to capitalise on their core anti-immigration message. That same message aimed at the same group almost saw them home in a Labour stronghold a few months back.
I predict some kipper willy waving in response to this thread....
I fear (and I know this is not what you are referring to so forgive me for hijacking your comment) that some of the less sensible voices in UKIP might see the events of today as a way to shore up support and increase their anti-muslim message. That could very seriously backfire and I hope that the people in senior positions have more sense than that.
You've seen some of the bile on today's threads then?
Only this morning, in a comment in the first of his two subtle little apparent dig at UKIP threads today OGH opined in a response to the comment that the UKIP vote share in last nights Yougov poll might be because UKIP have not been on the TV for a while "I think that is right. Insurgent parties need to be getting media attention which UKIP haven't had for some time. Even Farage's promise to go "on the wagon" in January has hardly been noticed.
Osborne also spiked May's proposal today to cut net migration by requiring foreign students to leave the UK after completing their university studies, and reapply for a new work visa subsequently, according to the Evening Standard tonight.
The Evening Standard editorial and all its columnists were lauding this and praising Osborne for doing so.
Expert on BBC News calling this a massive security failure by the French state, saying there should have been many more than two police guarding the building.
"the potential backlash, including support for far right parties and groups, may well hurt ordinary Muslims more than anyone else,"
not even 24hrs and they pushing the usual nonsense.
What's nonsense about it?
Maybe ordinary Muslims need to be out marching against these idiots and properly disowning them instead of just standing around looking at the floor and "deploring violence".
"the potential backlash, including support for far right parties and groups, may well hurt ordinary Muslims more than anyone else,"
not even 24hrs and they pushing the usual nonsense.
What's nonsense about it?
Maybe ordinary Muslims need to be out marching against these idiots and properly disowning them instead of just standing around looking at the floor and "deploring violence".
To be fair, some of them are. To be fair to others, I'm not out marching either, so it's not reasonable to expect others that oppose these attacks to.
As long as a Muslim supports equal rights, democracy and free speech, I don't expect anything more from them. I just worry about the large number that don't.
"the potential backlash, including support for far right parties and groups, may well hurt ordinary Muslims more than anyone else,"
not even 24hrs and they pushing the usual nonsense.
What's nonsense about it?
Maybe ordinary Muslims need to be out marching against these idiots and properly disowning them instead of just standing around looking at the floor and "deploring violence".
Only this morning, in a comment in the first of his two subtle little apparent dig at UKIP threads today OGH opined in a response to the comment that the UKIP vote share in last nights Yougov poll might be because UKIP have not been on the TV for a while "I think that is right. Insurgent parties need to be getting media attention which UKIP haven't had for some time. Even Farage's promise to go "on the wagon" in January has hardly been noticed.
Osborne also spiked May's proposal today to cut net migration by requiring foreign students to leave the UK after completing their university studies, and reapply for a new work visa subsequently, according to the Evening Standard tonight.
The Evening Standard editorial and all its columnists were lauding this and praising Osborne for doing so.
Amazingly, some people think he's a future Conservative leader. Even Oliver Letwin is more politically astute than George Osborne.
"the potential backlash, including support for far right parties and groups, may well hurt ordinary Muslims more than anyone else,"
not even 24hrs and they pushing the usual nonsense.
What's nonsense about it?
Maybe ordinary Muslims need to be out marching against these idiots and properly disowning them instead of just standing around looking at the floor and "deploring violence".
I predict some kipper willy waving in response to this thread....
I fear (and I know this is not what you are referring to so forgive me for hijacking your comment) that some of the less sensible voices in UKIP might see the events of today as a way to shore up support and increase their anti-muslim message. That could very seriously backfire and I hope that the people in senior positions have more sense than that.
I'm not aware that UKIP have an "anti-muslim message" to "increase"
The party may not have but individuals within the party certainly do have. Of course their are such people in all parties but the relative lack of control (which to some extent I like and prefer) exhibited by UKIP combined with the extreme scrutiny they are under means that a few stupid people can cause a huge amount of damage for the party and detract from what should be its core message on the EU.
Only this morning, in a comment in the first of his two subtle little apparent dig at UKIP threads today OGH opined in a response to the comment that the UKIP vote share in last nights Yougov poll might be because UKIP have not been on the TV for a while "I think that is right. Insurgent parties need to be getting media attention which UKIP haven't had for some time. Even Farage's promise to go "on the wagon" in January has hardly been noticed.
Osborne also spiked May's proposal today to cut net migration by requiring foreign students to leave the UK after completing their university studies, and reapply for a new work visa subsequently, according to the Evening Standard tonight.
The Evening Standard editorial and all its columnists were lauding this and praising Osborne for doing so.
Amazingly, some people think he's a future Conservative leader. Even Oliver Letwin is more politically astute than George Osborne.
I think Osborne has some tactical skill, and can master an effective short-term ambush, but he's far from being the strategic political genius some make him out to be.
I predict some kipper willy waving in response to this thread....
I fear (and I know this is not what you are referring to so forgive me for hijacking your comment) that some of the less sensible voices in UKIP might see the events of today as a way to shore up support and increase their anti-muslim message. That could very seriously backfire and I hope that the people in senior positions have more sense than that.
I'm not aware that UKIP have an "anti-muslim message" to "increase"
The party may not have but individuals within the party certainly do have. Of course their are such people in all parties but the relative lack of control (which to some extent I like and prefer) exhibited by UKIP combined with the extreme scrutiny they are under means that a few stupid people can cause a huge amount of damage for the party and detract from what should be its core message on the EU.
To be honest I don't necessarily think that if a UKIP candidate (or any other party) says something outrageous in the next few days it will do him/her any harm, which is seriously depressing
Not just the press. Have you seen the vapid innanities Cameron has been uttering today? I would post his facebook/Twitter updates, but can't work out how to on iPhone.
Lots of 'absolutely essential', 'absolutely clear' and assertions on the need to be 'very clear', without saying anything in particular, other than tired cliches.
Only this morning, in a comment in the first of his two subtle little apparent dig at UKIP threads today OGH opined in a response to the comment that the UKIP vote share in last nights Yougov poll might be because UKIP have not been on the TV for a while "I think that is right. Insurgent parties need to be getting media attention which UKIP haven't had for some time. Even Farage's promise to go "on the wagon" in January has hardly been noticed.
Osborne also spiked May's proposal today to cut net migration by requiring foreign students to leave the UK after completing their university studies, and reapply for a new work visa subsequently, according to the Evening Standard tonight.
The Evening Standard editorial and all its columnists were lauding this and praising Osborne for doing so.
Amazingly, some people think he's a future Conservative leader. Even Oliver Letwin is more politically astute than George Osborne.
Not just the press. Have you seen the vapid innanities Cameron has been uttering today? I would post his facebook/Twitter updates, but can't work out how to on iPhone.
Lots of 'absolutely essential', 'absolutely clear' and assertions on the need to be 'very clear', without saying anything in particular, other than tired cliches.
I've just looked - it doesn't look too bad to me. At least he hasn't spouted off, yet, about what "real Islam" is. Not this time.
Not just the press. Have you seen the vapid innanities Cameron has been uttering today? I would post his facebook/Twitter updates, but can't work out how to on iPhone.
Lots of 'absolutely essential', 'absolutely clear' and assertions on the need to be 'very clear', without saying anything in particular, other than tired cliches.
What do you want them to say? Just start spouting random anti muslim shite? Burn the Koran on the steps of Number 10?
To be fair, some of them are. To be fair to others, I'm not out marching either, so it's not reasonable to expect others that oppose these attacks to.
As long as a Muslim supports equal rights, democracy and free speech, I don't expect anything more from them. I just worry about the large number that don't.
One point where I feel uncomfortable about all this "they should be the ones out on the street protesting!" is that I did sod all when Brian Service was shot dead in North Belfast in the late 90s, effectively "in my name", simply for being Catholic. By a bunch of nutters who had nothing to do with me, who I felt no personal connection to, but who like me self-identified very strongly as British and who felt a deep personal connection to British culture and values. Of course, their particular opinions on what constituted "genuine" Britishness were rather wonky, far outside of the mainstream - they saw themselves and the whole ideal of Britain as pitted in a centuries-long struggle for survival against the Whore of Babylon (allegedly they even had the murder weapon blessed by a self-declared pastor).
But in that grotesque vision we can see a shadow of ourselves. It's true that Britain and its culture was very deeply affected by the Reformation - even five centuries later, not all our scars are healed. Anti-Catholicism has at times been deeply engrained in society; the rioting might have stopped by 1800 but various inequities continued. Even today some Catholics feel discriminated against by the Protestant/secular majority, but not being one, it's hard to know to what extent that perception simply comes from the discomfort of being a minority. What's hard to deny is that Catholic-slaying Loyalists were tuning into something deep in the British psyche, something that for most of us in an unhappy, distant cultural memory but not one we can completely dissociate ourselves from. Perhaps I should have been angrier on a more personal level with the killers. Instead of my abhorrence of the senseless waste of life, maybe I should have felt sick at how they were hijacking my own culture and values, and twisting them into a justification for their actions.
If I had hit the streets of England in protest, aside from the personal self-affirmation, would it have made one jot of difference to anybody else? I think not. But even if it would have been vacuous from a consequentialist point of view, perhaps I should have done so.
Not just the press. Have you seen the vapid innanities Cameron has been uttering today? I would post his facebook/Twitter updates, but can't work out how to on iPhone.
Lots of 'absolutely essential', 'absolutely clear' and assertions on the need to be 'very clear', without saying anything in particular, other than tired cliches.
What do you want them to say? Just start spouting random anti muslim shite? Burn the Koran on the steps of Number 10?
My partner and her sons are Iranian. She loves the country but fled many years ago from the religion takeover. None of them ever visit mosques. Today her 12 year old son told her he was embarrassed to be born muslim. My partner is more hard line than any westerner and believes that we should be closing down mosques. In her view there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. Is it time to listen to people such as her who have seen the impact of the muslim faith destroying her country.
1. One of the two brothers definitely a criminal record related to terrorism when jailed in France as part of a breakup of a terror cell.
2. There is a strong suggestion both brothers were in Syria with a return date July/August this year.
One comment on this 'military training' thing because blokes turn up in combat gear and appear to know what they are doing. This isn't military at work today training, its experience and its a mentality in the head. Some of the calmest looking killers I've come across, though few are actually calm on a kill, are simply just a) experienced and/or b) of a mentality. Military training in the truest sense of the word isn't a pre-requisite at all. This kind of kill operation isn't the kind that military training trains you for either.
The situation is, not surprisingly, fluid but it appears the French police have some sense of where they are looking. Whether the gunmen, who may well have done the classic two car escape deliberately rather than by circumstance are where the cops are looking is hard to say.
Not just the press. Have you seen the vapid innanities Cameron has been uttering today? I would post his facebook/Twitter updates, but can't work out how to on iPhone.
Lots of 'absolutely essential', 'absolutely clear' and assertions on the need to be 'very clear', without saying anything in particular, other than tired cliches.
I've just looked - it doesn't look too bad to me. At least he hasn't spouted off, yet, about what "real Islam" is. Not this time.
It's a lot of words without really saying anything. He talks about how there is 'no one answer' but doesn't provides any. He talks about free press, free expression and free speech when his government has done little to further any of that. He hasn't reformed libel, the outcomes from Leveson have arguably weakened press freedom and he hasn't repealed the religious hatred act. There's been no noticeable gesture of solidarity from Cameron with Charlie Hebdo along the lines Socrates suggested. No inspired leadership. No message to the nation.
Even Boris Johnson could do better. It looks like it's written by a twenty-something No.10 staffer, which is probably is.
UKIP will just skim enough votes across the board to make sure that David Cameron and George Osborne are out of power. For which the country will thank them, of course.
After that, they will have no real power, but their influence on grown up politics will be felt via the Tory Party, and the direction in which it is dragged after Cameron is gone.
1. One of the two brothers definitely a criminal record related to terrorism when jailed in France as part of a breakup of a terror cell.
2. There is a strong suggestion both brothers were in Syria with a return date July/August this year.
One comment on this 'military training' thing because blokes turn up in combat gear and appear to know what they are doing. This isn't military at work today training, its experience and its a mentality in the head. Some of the calmest looking killers I've come across, though few are actually calm on a kill, are simply just a) experienced and/or b) of a mentality. Military training in the truest sense of the word isn't a pre-requisite at all. This kind of kill operation isn't the kind that military training trains you for either.
The situation is, not surprisingly, fluid but it appears the French police have some sense of where they are looking. Whether the gunmen, who may well have done the classic two car escape deliberately rather than by circumstance are where the cops are looking is hard to say.
The Guardian makes some pertinent observations about their "military training".
1) They first went to the wrong address. 2) They couldn't get in on their own to the building, they had to threaten somebody to enter the code. 3) Apparently they went up the wrong stairs. 4) They didn't know what their targets looked like, they had to ask. 5) The authorities already know who they are, so they must have messed up somewhere.
All of these I doubt highly skilled and highly trained military personnel would fail to plan for.
Bit of a busy day (BTW I do not think that there was a Trust in the country that met the 95% 4 hour target for Emergencies last week, from the figures that I saw today).
Is Thanet South the only one with an up to date poll? It would be very interesting if Farage was left high and dry
I think many people need to see the horror rather than have a sanitised and cleansed version. If the nasty bits are always hidden they are not understood in the same way.
UKIP will just skim enough votes across the board to make sure that David Cameron and George Osborne are out of power. For which the country will thank them, of course.
After that, they will have no real power, but their influence on grown up politics will be felt via the Tory Party, and the direction in which it is dragged after Cameron is gone.
The country won't be thanking anyone, as it experiences harder, and deeper cuts under a Labour government.
I think many people need to see the horror rather than have a sanitised and cleansed version. If the nasty bits are always hidden they are not understood in the same way.
IMO, I am not sure I agree that quoting the last words of a police officer helps. If you fail to be repulsed and feel a sense of horror by some blokes whose only weapon is their pencil being killed in cold blood, not sure seeing that image and the unnecessary quote will change that.
If anything the media showing up all the mobile footage on a loop could be argued it desensitises people to this.
If I were a Muslim, even if I felt I should protest, it would be hard to tempt me out on a night like this with so many unknowns . Protesting against Islamist terrorism is all very worthy - it's the reverse of "motherhood and apple pies", one of those things we can all agree to hate. It would be wonderful and worthy also to protest against the millions of deaths in Congo or the unavailability of pharmaceuticals in developing countries or the suppression of democracy in China. It would probably be just as [in]effective.
But then, suppose I felt I ought to go even if I knew it would achieve nothing, I'd have to consider who else is going to be there. "We're protesting against Islamism" was one of the EDL canards wasn't it? This sort of thing sounds like it could be a magnet for their heavies. Might all go safely and swimmingly, of course, but with something arranged so spontaneously - in fact, hardly "organised" at all - it could all go downhill fast. Certainly not going to cross fingers and trust in the potentially non-existing stewarding.
Even supposing it was all nice and civil, I'd be wondering if the crowd really wanted to see a Muslim face there anyway. They might be disappointed to see a Muslim when they feel they're there to be protesting against Islamism, or Islam, or Muslims. My actions might be misinterpreted. Am I there to mourn? To propose peace, non-violence, tolerance? Or there to defend freedom to offend and The Maxim Most Frequently Misattributed To Voltaire? Am I there - or will I thought to be there - because I'm renouncing key principles of my religion, as many folk seem to be demanding I do?
Some people there seem pretty hostile to my culture. I've heard there are people out waving placards with seriously offensive cartoons on - something similarly severe but mocking a beloved British cultural institution would be denounced as "vile" or "sick" in tomorrow's morning papers. Okay, they're legal. Should be. Free speech means freedom to offend. But folk should know that they're offending. They may not realise the extent of it - think it is puerile but funny, don't grasp the historical and cultural sensitivity of it. They wouldn't, perhaps, wave a placard saying F**K OFF YOU F**KING MUSLIM C**TS AND F**K YOUR F***KING PAEDO PROPHET" even though that might convey a comparable level of offence. Maybe they just don't understand. Possibly they grok it completely. A cute fluffy harmless cartoon is a way to cause (emotional, not physical) hurt, provoke anger, get a reaction, while still staying within acceptable bounds of Western civilised discourse. Either way, packed tight in a mass of bodies, do I want to be stuck up next to these guys? Do I want to be associated with them? Risk my relatives glimpsing me on the news channel standing by their signs?
In terms of risk-reward ratio this is a seriously uncompelling course of action. Anyone who goes, I admire very greatly.
1. One of the two brothers definitely a criminal record related to terrorism when jailed in France as part of a breakup of a terror cell.
2. There is a strong suggestion both brothers were in Syria with a return date July/August this year.
One comment on this 'military training' thing because blokes turn up in combat gear and appear to know what they are doing. This isn't military at work today training, its experience and its a mentality in the head. Some of the calmest looking killers I've come across, though few are actually calm on a kill, are simply just a) experienced and/or b) of a mentality. Military training in the truest sense of the word isn't a pre-requisite at all. This kind of kill operation isn't the kind that military training trains you for either.
The situation is, not surprisingly, fluid but it appears the French police have some sense of where they are looking. Whether the gunmen, who may well have done the classic two car escape deliberately rather than by circumstance are where the cops are looking is hard to say.
The Guardian makes some pertinent observations about their "military training".
1) They first went to the wrong address. 2) They couldn't get in on their own to the building, they had to threaten somebody to enter the code. 3) Apparently they went up the wrong stairs. 4) They didn't know what their targets looked like, they had to ask. 5) The authorities already know who they are, so they must have messed up somewhere.
All of these I doubt highly skilled and highly trained military personnel would fail to plan for.
Actually, I would. Particularly going to the wrong place. Plenty of 'special forces' operations in the last 30 years with genuinely well trained and apparently prepped lads that had things like door entry issues and wrong addresses occur.
1. One of the two brothers definitely a criminal record related to terrorism when jailed in France as part of a breakup of a terror cell.
2. There is a strong suggestion both brothers were in Syria with a return date July/August this year.
One comment on this 'military training' thing because blokes turn up in combat gear and appear to know what they are doing. This isn't military at work today training, its experience and its a mentality in the head. Some of the calmest looking killers I've come across, though few are actually calm on a kill, are simply just a) experienced and/or b) of a mentality. Military training in the truest sense of the word isn't a pre-requisite at all. This kind of kill operation isn't the kind that military training trains you for either.
The situation is, not surprisingly, fluid but it appears the French police have some sense of where they are looking. Whether the gunmen, who may well have done the classic two car escape deliberately rather than by circumstance are where the cops are looking is hard to say.
The Guardian makes some pertinent observations about their "military training".
1) They first went to the wrong address. 2) They couldn't get in on their own to the building, they had to threaten somebody to enter the code. 3) Apparently they went up the wrong stairs. 4) They didn't know what their targets looked like, they had to ask. 5) The authorities already know who they are, so they must have messed up somewhere.
All of these I doubt highly skilled and highly trained military personnel would fail to plan for.
Actually, I would. Particularly going to the wrong place. Plenty of 'special forces' operations in the last 30 years with genuinely well trained and apparently prepped lads that had things like door entry issues and wrong addresses occur.
All of the above in a single mission?
The not knowing the faces of the staff is surely a huge pointer. We aren't talking about unknown and rarely seem individuals who have been hiding in caves for 10 years, we are talking about very high profile cartoonists who regularly appeared on national tv shows etc.
Also, again in a European city looking for an address, these days there is this thing called google maps....
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sEcBzxoMB8
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-islam-prophet-muhammad
If that is true, it may affect into the debate about where we are with our returning Jihadists.
Can I say that whilst we slightly disagree on the whole 'eu' thing, the slightly independent approach you take to your preferred party as opposed to a purple-herd man is refreshing!
A sort of Tory Carswell if you like....
Liberation corrected - no longer says suspects arrested pic.twitter.com/QBoSKoJxqp
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'I think David Cameron has got very lucky with his handling of NHS being knocked off the news agenda.'
Unlucky for Ed,he's got nothing left to talk about.
http://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2015/01/07/at-least-10-dies-at-paris-charlie-hebdo-attack
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/07/uk-migration-cap-cameron-merkel_n_6428840.html
Only this morning, in a comment in the first of his two subtle little apparent dig at UKIP threads today OGH opined in a response to the comment that the UKIP vote share in last nights Yougov poll might be because UKIP have not been on the TV for a while "I think that is right. Insurgent parties need to be getting media attention which UKIP haven't had for some time. Even Farage's promise to go "on the wagon" in January has hardly been noticed.
"the potential backlash, including support for far right parties and groups, may well hurt ordinary Muslims more than anyone else,"
not even 24hrs and they pushing the usual nonsense.
The Evening Standard editorial and all its columnists were lauding this and praising Osborne for doing so.
As long as a Muslim supports equal rights, democracy and free speech, I don't expect anything more from them. I just worry about the large number that don't.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6xq3MUCAAA7ulV.jpg:large
How about our own pathetic press?
Lots of 'absolutely essential', 'absolutely clear' and assertions on the need to be 'very clear', without saying anything in particular, other than tired cliches.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/yemen-bomb-blast-kills-37-4937751
But in that grotesque vision we can see a shadow of ourselves. It's true that Britain and its culture was very deeply affected by the Reformation - even five centuries later, not all our scars are healed. Anti-Catholicism has at times been deeply engrained in society; the rioting might have stopped by 1800 but various inequities continued. Even today some Catholics feel discriminated against by the Protestant/secular majority, but not being one, it's hard to know to what extent that perception simply comes from the discomfort of being a minority. What's hard to deny is that Catholic-slaying Loyalists were tuning into something deep in the British psyche, something that for most of us in an unhappy, distant cultural memory but not one we can completely dissociate ourselves from. Perhaps I should have been angrier on a more personal level with the killers. Instead of my abhorrence of the senseless waste of life, maybe I should have felt sick at how they were hijacking my own culture and values, and twisting them into a justification for their actions.
If I had hit the streets of England in protest, aside from the personal self-affirmation, would it have made one jot of difference to anybody else? I think not. But even if it would have been vacuous from a consequentialist point of view, perhaps I should have done so.
UKIP are best price 8/13 in Thurrock
1. One of the two brothers definitely a criminal record related to terrorism when jailed in France as part of a breakup of a terror cell.
2. There is a strong suggestion both brothers were in Syria with a return date July/August this year.
One comment on this 'military training' thing because blokes turn up in combat gear and appear to know what they are doing. This isn't military at work today training, its experience and its a mentality in the head. Some of the calmest looking killers I've come across, though few are actually calm on a kill, are simply just a) experienced and/or b) of a mentality. Military training in the truest sense of the word isn't a pre-requisite at all. This kind of kill operation isn't the kind that military training trains you for either.
The situation is, not surprisingly, fluid but it appears the French police have some sense of where they are looking. Whether the gunmen, who may well have done the classic two car escape deliberately rather than by circumstance are where the cops are looking is hard to say.
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Even Boris Johnson could do better. It looks like it's written by a twenty-something No.10 staffer, which is probably is.
Breaking: French anti-terror raid under way in the northeastern city of Reims, police say (AFP)
After that, they will have no real power, but their influence on grown up politics will be felt via the Tory Party, and the direction in which it is dragged after Cameron is gone.
Anyway, must get to bed. Early start tomorrow. Goodnight.
1) They first went to the wrong address.
2) They couldn't get in on their own to the building, they had to threaten somebody to enter the code.
3) Apparently they went up the wrong stairs.
4) They didn't know what their targets looked like, they had to ask.
5) The authorities already know who they are, so they must have messed up somewhere.
All of these I doubt highly skilled and highly trained military personnel would fail to plan for.
Is Thanet South the only one with an up to date poll? It would be very interesting if Farage was left high and dry
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If anything the media showing up all the mobile footage on a loop could be argued it desensitises people to this.
But then, suppose I felt I ought to go even if I knew it would achieve nothing, I'd have to consider who else is going to be there. "We're protesting against Islamism" was one of the EDL canards wasn't it? This sort of thing sounds like it could be a magnet for their heavies. Might all go safely and swimmingly, of course, but with something arranged so spontaneously - in fact, hardly "organised" at all - it could all go downhill fast. Certainly not going to cross fingers and trust in the potentially non-existing stewarding.
Even supposing it was all nice and civil, I'd be wondering if the crowd really wanted to see a Muslim face there anyway. They might be disappointed to see a Muslim when they feel they're there to be protesting against Islamism, or Islam, or Muslims. My actions might be misinterpreted. Am I there to mourn? To propose peace, non-violence, tolerance? Or there to defend freedom to offend and The Maxim Most Frequently Misattributed To Voltaire? Am I there - or will I thought to be there - because I'm renouncing key principles of my religion, as many folk seem to be demanding I do?
Some people there seem pretty hostile to my culture. I've heard there are people out waving placards with seriously offensive cartoons on - something similarly severe but mocking a beloved British cultural institution would be denounced as "vile" or "sick" in tomorrow's morning papers. Okay, they're legal. Should be. Free speech means freedom to offend. But folk should know that they're offending. They may not realise the extent of it - think it is puerile but funny, don't grasp the historical and cultural sensitivity of it. They wouldn't, perhaps, wave a placard saying F**K OFF YOU F**KING MUSLIM C**TS AND F**K YOUR F***KING PAEDO PROPHET" even though that might convey a comparable level of offence. Maybe they just don't understand. Possibly they grok it completely. A cute fluffy harmless cartoon is a way to cause (emotional, not physical) hurt, provoke anger, get a reaction, while still staying within acceptable bounds of Western civilised discourse. Either way, packed tight in a mass of bodies, do I want to be stuck up next to these guys? Do I want to be associated with them? Risk my relatives glimpsing me on the news channel standing by their signs?
In terms of risk-reward ratio this is a seriously uncompelling course of action. Anyone who goes, I admire very greatly.
Fieldwork would have started around 4pm yesterday and ended today around 3pm
The not knowing the faces of the staff is surely a huge pointer. We aren't talking about unknown and rarely seem individuals who have been hiding in caves for 10 years, we are talking about very high profile cartoonists who regularly appeared on national tv shows etc.
Also, again in a European city looking for an address, these days there is this thing called google maps....