Categories
politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » An interesting and very sharp political divide: Whether vot
politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » An interesting and very sharp political divide: Whether voters think using the word “chinky” is offensive or not
politicalbetting.com is proudly powered by WordPress
with "Neat!" theme. Entries (RSS) and Comments (RSS).
0
This discussion has been closed.
Comments
It's a distasteful subject, but I wonder what would be the outcome of a pb poll.
On a pleasanter note---merry Christmas.
A lot of British-born Chinese people ABSOLUTELY DETEST being called "oriental". (American-Chinese people moan about this a lot too and consider it very racist... one of our US correspondents on PB actually discussed this in some length with respect to Seattle).
I generally think it's best to let people who are being described by a word, decide whether they think it's offensive or not. Which is why I wouldn't use either term. But there's also a question of whether a word is used with intent to insult - you clearly weren't, but then a lot of people in this poll seem to think no harm is meant when they use a word which we both find derogatory.
You need to follow things more closely my friend
My view is people who take offence at mere nicknames and some old-fashioned terminology have an inferiority complex.
Such people are therefore inferior to those who don't.
I'm glad I'm not one of them.
But then, I was born an Englishman...
Seasons Greetings!
There shouldn't really be a difference between Aussie, Saffer, chinky or paki really but I suppose the racial differences and history make the last two less palatable
It turned out that these two older boys had decided to call him Chinny. He decided that he didn't like this, so he said: "don't call me Chinny". So they did what most 11 year olds would do in the circumstances, and said: "Chinny, Chinny, Chinny".
My nephew was a small boy for 6, and these were two normal-sized 11 year olds, but he was unfazed by this. He walked up to them, grabbed them by the balls and squeezed. Hard. Very hard.
Chinky is obviously offensive and racist, and I would not use the word, not just because I would fear the consequences from my nephew.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/tom73ueyir/Sun_Results_141222_Offensive_Words_Website.pdf
Speedy Another Dave (previous thread) Hopefully the tables will eventually be released, on economics most people tend to want higher taxes for the rich, lower taxes for themselves, on social issues they are pro gay marriage but want immigration controlled
That has done far more lasting harm than words such as "chinky" or even "blondie" or "wasp". After all one BBC head once said that it was disgustingly white.....
Big Rons still waiting for the phone to ring
Lots of progressive media types like to use the 'I am confused, I just don't get what you mean?' Tactic in debate when faced with an opinion they don't share, as if other opinions are literal nonsense that bewilder them
What is certainly true is that if the LD vote drops to below 6% or 7% then there will hardly be much point in separating out the views of LD2015's, as the votes will be too few to matter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12841/Dyke-BBC-hideously-white.html
When's the child rape party political polling out?
(and TSE!)
I Think the big gap between what is known as the liberal prog establishment and kippers is that the former just won't tolerate any view that differs from their own and calls people who aren't like them names with the intention to offend
The question in the poll, without context, is pointless.
BTW has this been posted?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11294984/Labours-crucial-ethnic-minority-vote-set-to-collapse.html
I'd probably say using it is offensive in any context, but would not be able to deny nevertheless saying it in the context of ordering Chinese food, as others have used.
Regardless, a Merry Xmas, Holidays or Thursday to all.
If someone finds being called a "chinky" or a "paki" offensive then you shouldn't use the term either in front of them or about them. I would assume that most Chinese or Pakistanis find the terms offensive and so you shouldn't use them. I suppose referring to an inanimate object (such as food) using such a term in private would be ok but it does seem like an odd hangover from previous times when a low-level racism was more prevalent.
http://www.noradsanta.org/
Too many people these days make a living out of being fully paid up hand-wringing offencewhores who can spot a potential lawsuit (plus their inevitable payout for 'hurt feelings') at thousand yards. In the dark. And the Filth love a bit of casual sweariness for the easy target hitting statistics.
I despair; I really do.
Old fashioned I know, but my nan would have said people bothered by things like this haven't got enough to worry about
The issue is that describing someone by a category term - whether it be a racial epithet or something as simple as "f*cking Tories"- dehumanizes them. And one someone is nothing more than a member of a group than an individual it legitimises stigimatisation
You can also call me a Scouser, a Dickysam, or Leftfooter to no ill-effect...
The difference between me and those inferior people from less-happy lands is - I am content with who I am, and my race's achievements, and I don't feel the need to endlessly parade my spiritual inferiority, and my race's inherent childishness, by taking "offence" at such picayune and jocular sobriquets...
I react the same way that something "objectivises" women. What?
And a Happy Christmas to you too!
Do unto others as you would be done by.
It may be impolite, inconsiderate or insensitive, but hardly racist.
This thread is almost entering Al Sharpton country.
Paki I always used in a friendly way, until it became offensive. It is no more than a diminutive of Pakistani. A bit like Brit. Also handy to use Paki with shop added. In the past I used it without any malice or intent to harm or offend in that sense too. Don't use it now.
So if it becomes offensive I don't use it.
While I'm happy not to offend people, I don't think anyone has the absolute right not to be offended. However gratuitously offending people is also not acceptable.
Responsibility and tolerance are what make freedom of speech work. Without those you are screwed.
(It's not even impolite. Just that in English it's easier to say 2 syllables rather than 4. Paki-Pakistani. Maybe the "i" is redundant in fact, and it should be "Pak". qv. Brit-British. )
If this is the best PB can do over the holidays, then perhaps it should close down for two days Xmas leave.
I would expect the Chinese the Chinks, being a superior race, to feel the same...
(^_-)
Ho ho ho ho!
Now that's either my Santa impression or I'm being rude (but realistic) to Mike!
Happy Xmas to PB
http://www.energylivenews.com/2014/12/15/chinese-nuclear-firm-buys-uk-wind-farms
He is currently helping inflame racial tension in New York City, addressing crowds calling for the imprisonment of racist white cops who shoot black people.
Last Saturday two NYPD cops - an Asian-American and a latino -were shot to death in their car while eating lunch, by a black man. They have not yet had funerals.
Fewer than 50% of NYPD is white.
Sharpton was sued successfully for defamation in the Tawana Brawley case.
On topic, the answer is, as so often, "it depends on the context". If you're trying to disparage someone, it's offensive. If you aren't, it isn't.
Teenagers will insult those who offend them. They would never use the nigger or chink words round here. They would call someone a muslim or a somalian as an insult as those are the religions / races they associate with wanting to causing them harm. In 20 years time those will be the words seen as offensive, Chink will not be.
(Not that quotas are a good thing)
Tough...
Nope, I don't either. There are 39 bowl games between now and New Years. We've had 5 so far.
Conversely I am sure at a football or cricket game people actually like being called a frog or rosbifs etc because they ,in that instance, do not want to fit in as they want to be part of a different tribe.
When I lived in France years ago whilst I would not be reduced to a quivering wreck if somebody had called me a nickname emphasising my Englishness I would have found it slightly irritating as I wanted to fit in and not have difference emphasised to make it harder
Mr Fred Bohanon receives a call from his doctor, asking him to meet with the doctor, following his wife's blood work.
The doctor explains that there has been a labelling problem on the samples, and the practice has two different Bohanon families with blood work.
One came back positive for AIDS, and the other positive for Alzheimers.
He explains that they have held a practice meeting and there is no reason to worry. He should drive his wife some distance from their home and leave her by the roadside.
"If she finds her way home, " he says, "whatever you do, don't have sex with her."
That should offend many many groups who work hard at taking offence :-)
That's pretty much the hallmark of any elite that's on the way out.
To my mind. the term 'Brit' brings up images of football hooligans (not our strongpoint in international relations for many years) and the term 'uni' sounds like a place where you waste three years of your life doing nothing at all . This may be true but its nothing to be proud of.
Incidentally I don't mind being called a 'snob'!!!
Or to the OED or [if you felt strongly enough] the Notes & Queries section of the Guardian.
That's the difference between "them" and us...
This is absolutely NOT what the police should be spending their time and resources on IMO. With 65 million people in the country, there are always going to be some people who post offensive messages about almost any event, and to attempt to pursue them is utter madness.
As a long-term daily lurker on this forum since before the 2010 election, I’d like to use the Christmas festivities to give thanks to all who make it so interesting to read. I don’t really have time to do more than catch up with all your varied thoughts and rarely have anything original to say that doesn’t get said by someone else eventually, but I find that reading so many varied opinions does help me get my own thoughts in order on many current political issues. I also don’t seem to possess the gambling gene, which would seem to me to be a basic disqualification to genuine participation on this site.
So, to mark the festive spirit and to show my appreciation, I’d like to offer everyone a MINCE PIE or three. Recognising that tastes differ, I’m offering them in two flavours:
Miliband Is Now Crap – Ed Perhaps Is Ejected
Miliband Is Not Crap – Ed Perhaps Is Elected
So please select as you see fit. For a certain northern poster of forthright views, I can certify that neither variety contains any turnips. Also, there’s no need to hold back, there are plenty available since I’ve put into the mincemeat the fruits of the very best to be had from the magic money trees in the orchards of Kent.
Thanks again to all as we move onward to the next tipping (or even kipping?) point. Personally, I think Jack W is the most percipient of you all but I’d feel happier if I saw the polls starting more strongly to reflect his core assessment on the electoral prospects of Ed Miliband!
And now back to lurking for another year. I wish you all an interesting 2015.
I am sure he only praised the Brits 'cos he was on the BBC!
Not sure it matters what you call people it is the thought behind the words that matter.
Happy Christmas to every one on PB.com
(I'll get my coat)
The refusal to do a national investigation about thousands of children raped by grooming gangs is horrific however. Anyone with even a peripheral responsibility for such matters at a national level should hang their heads in shame.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/12/23/glasgow-crash-tweet_n_6371428.html
Anyway, good night and best wishes to everyone for a happy Christmas and a safe and prosperous New Year.
He is not elected to anything - indeed he has been spectacularly unsuccessful in that area - and can claim to represent nobody. He has been found guilty of defamation and owes several million dollars in back taxes.
de Blasio, finally realizing he has gone too far and has totally alienated NYPD, asked that the protests be suspended until the cops assassinated last saturday are buried.
Sharpton refused, saying that it was more important than ever to keep the protests going now.
It was at one of those meetings - after a hispanic and an Asian-American cop were killed eating their lunch by a black man - that Sharpton made his comments about how black lives matter. What about hispanic or Asian-American lives? Answer came there none.
The NYPD is less than 50% white.
Sharpton is despicable.
And there are many matters that are, no doubt, the subject of ongoing investigation and/or complicated by the involvement of the security services that make public statements difficult
I'm not interested in getting in an argument on Christmas Eve. You have your mind made up on this, and I don't feel like investing the time to challenge it.