On topic, UKIP do appear to hurting the Tories in the marginals as per Lord Ashcroft's poll of the marginals. That said, I wonder if turnout next year will help reduce the damage for the Blues. As Mike has pointed out before, UKIP do appear to have significant support from people who didn't vote last time and don't turn out to vote, will we see that phenomenon next May?
The BES findings are:- 1. UKIP will not do much damage to the Tories in marginals (I disagree). 2. UKIP get a similar % of DNV people as other parties.
Cheers, I have the lurgy, so I don't have the energy to wade through the report.
TSE - Just play the BES bit from Westminster Hour.
The lurgy has also rendered me bunged up and hard of hearing.
This twitter account presents itself as an impartial political geek resource, but is a Labour party strategist I believe
@election_data @election_data · 6m6 minutes ago Some interesting thoughts in the @BESResearch study on UKIP-Labour but mostly useless, in a literal sense. There, I've said it.
Ian Warren who runs election data, is an impartial political geek, his data analysis led to both UKIP and Labour trying to hire him.
He chose Labour.
He's less of a strategist, more the British Nate Silver.
Really? His tweets don't seem very impartial, although his account looks like he is trying to seem so
Yes really.
He's always been Labour inclined, but he's gives his honest opinion on the data, hence why UKIP offered him silly money to work for them.
Well if you read his tweets and think he is impartial you have even less insight than I thought
Although I see you and he both fell for the Labour North London anti semitic tweet, which explains a lot
He was so impartial, that UKIP tried to hire him on silly money.
So, if UKIP and I think he's pretty impartial when it comes to his data analysis, and you think he isn't, then UKIP and I must be wrong.
Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account
UKIP apparently tried desperatley to stop the lady from resigning before suspending Bird, which lookes pretty reynardesque to me.
Pretty sure that whatever the facts of the situation, you'd have judged it to be "reynardesque". And racist somehow too. Your anti-UKIP prejudice is off the chart.
One mustn't forget that anti-establishment UKIP are different from the other parties.
Except for the fruity office antics, allowance trousering, parachuting in favoured candidates, and wining and dining of the City boys in St James's gentlemen's clubs.
Ah, another independent observer of UKIP! Your objectivity is clearly evidence by the fact that, even though you overall dislike UKIP, you're capable of giving them credit on occasion.
By the way, can you point to a single time you've done that?
Its just this weeks wishful thinking that something will damage the UKIP vote. The usual frothers come up with at least one a week, its doesnt seem to work, and just seems to piss off more waverers and send them to UKIP. Most people seem to have twigged it doesnt work, hell even the Spectator have worked it out
"London Mayor Boris Johnson has said that breastfeeding mothers should be “discreet” when feeding their babies in public.
Asked during phone-in interview on LBC radio whether he approved of Claridges’ decision to ask a mother breastfeeding her child to cover herself, the Mayor initially responded: “I don’t know about this, I wasn’t there and it wasn’t clear to me how much of her breast was exposed.”
Pushed by interviewer Nick Ferrari, Mr Johnson eventually claimed: “It depends how you do it, in my view. I think you can do it in a sort of discreet way, I think Claridges were a little bit clumsy in the way that they wade in. But what do I know?” "
I am waiting for the shrieks of outrage, pages of condemnation, endless quotes from mumsnet etc from Mr Jessop, Flightpath, TheWatcher and all the usual suspects, but I suspect I might wait in vain, since its not Farage but cuddly old Boris.
Before you embarrass yourself further, may I suggest you go back and read my first comment about Farage's comments, which were more balanced than you seem to realise. The people I were complaining about on those threads were the Neanderthals on here who seemed to want breastfeeding women not to play a part in society. You know, because they have those awful womanly bits.
Nothing wrong with womanly bits imo. I am rather less impressed with the levels we go to try and hobble businesses with regulations about who they can and can't serve, culminating in the spectacle we have in todays paper where Weatherspoon's is being sued for racism because they didn't want to admit a group of people, of a given ethnic grouping to be sure, but on the basis that they caused trouble last year. Sometimes people are idiots inspite of their ethnicity, and being a minority should not excuse you from being banned from places for misbehaving.
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 8m8 minutes ago Roger Bird tells me he has emails and texts which show he and Natasha Bolter had a relationship between 18 September and 2 November Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 5m5 minutes ago Roger Bird 1: "Natasha Bolter and I were in a consensual relationship between 18 September and 2 November ...." Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 4m4 minutes ago Roger Bird 2: "... well after her admission to the list of approved candidates, with interest on both sides .... Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 3m3 minutes ago Roger Bird 3: "She was keen on me and I was keen on her. I have got emails and texts to show we had a relationship ...." Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 2m2 minutes ago Roger Bird 4: ".... and I will be presenting these to the inquiry. In any relationship there are some texts of an intimate nature."
So your vote is going to the (white) posh PPE gratuate metrosexual toff member of the Elite London Private Members Club then? ...not the (black) woman.
She only joined UKIP in September - they very quickly jumped into a consensual relationship. I wonder how the ugly bald bespectacled 75k a year Clubbable Kipper in charge of candidate selection managed to be such a quick worker with the attractive female would be candidate (as Mrs Merton might say). This does look like being fun when UKIP sides with the posh metrosexual toff with his definition of 'consensual'.
On topic, UKIP do appear to hurting the Tories in the marginals as per Lord Ashcroft's poll of the marginals. That said, I wonder if turnout next year will help reduce the damage for the Blues. As Mike has pointed out before, UKIP do appear to have significant support from people who didn't vote last time and don't turn out to vote, will we see that phenomenon next May?
The BES findings are:- 1. UKIP will not do much damage to the Tories in marginals (I disagree). 2. UKIP get a similar % of DNV people as other parties.
Cheers, I have the lurgy, so I don't have the energy to wade through the report.
TSE - Just play the BES bit from Westminster Hour.
The lurgy has also rendered me bunged up and hard of hearing.
I recommend (Baxters) chicken soup, and self-pity. Always works for me!
Fair enough, thanks for that. Are we still paying British farmers to pour milk down the drains as well, or has that foolishness being sorted out as well ?
Any intel on this? It's been an interesting to have a political market without a betfair market alongside. Once the 3 candidates were known the prices basically settled down [Murphy crunched in from 4/7 to 1/4, Boyack drifted from 10/1 to 25/1] and have then remained fairly static over the past fortnight or so.
It does seem like a David v Ed situation all over again with the MPs/MSPs favouring Murphy and the unions favouring Findlay.
Just a case of whether they want a Tory leader , a leftie duffer or a woman. Last time the unions won it for their choice so would be wary of thinking Murphy is a certainty.
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 8m8 minutes ago Roger Bird tells me he has emails and texts which show he and Natasha Bolter had a relationship between 18 September and 2 November Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 5m5 minutes ago Roger Bird 1: "Natasha Bolter and I were in a consensual relationship between 18 September and 2 November ...." Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 4m4 minutes ago Roger Bird 2: "... well after her admission to the list of approved candidates, with interest on both sides .... Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 3m3 minutes ago Roger Bird 3: "She was keen on me and I was keen on her. I have got emails and texts to show we had a relationship ...." Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 2m2 minutes ago Roger Bird 4: ".... and I will be presenting these to the inquiry. In any relationship there are some texts of an intimate nature."
So your vote is going to the (white) posh PPE gratuate metrosexual toff member of the Elite London Private Members Club then? ...not the (black) woman.
She only joined UKIP in September - they very quickly jumped into a consensual relationship. I wonder how the ugly bald bespectacled 75k a year Clubbable Kipper in charge of candidate selection managed to be such a quick worker with the attractive female would be candidate (as Mrs Merton might say). This does look like being fun when UKIP sides with the posh metrosexual toff with his definition of 'consensual'.
This twitter account presents itself as an impartial political geek resource, but is a Labour party strategist I believe
@election_data @election_data · 6m6 minutes ago Some interesting thoughts in the @BESResearch study on UKIP-Labour but mostly useless, in a literal sense. There, I've said it.
Ian Warren who runs election data, is an impartial political geek, his data analysis led to both UKIP and Labour trying to hire him.
He chose Labour.
He's less of a strategist, more the British Nate Silver.
Really? His tweets don't seem very impartial, although his account looks like he is trying to seem so
Yes really.
He's always been Labour inclined, but he's gives his honest opinion on the data, hence why UKIP offered him silly money to work for them.
Well if you read his tweets and think he is impartial you have even less insight than I thought
Although I see you and he both fell for the Labour North London anti semitic tweet, which explains a lot
He was so impartial, that UKIP tried to hire him on silly money.
So, if UKIP and I think he's pretty impartial when it comes to his data analysis, and you think he isn't, then UKIP and I must be wrong.
Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account
"Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account"
After I pointed that out to you on here
Shouldn't you have apologised for reposting that smear?
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 8m8 minutes ago Roger Bird tells me he has emails and texts which show he and Natasha Bolter had a relationship between 18 September and 2 November Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 5m5 minutes ago Roger Bird 1: "Natasha Bolter and I were in a consensual relationship between 18 September and 2 November ...." Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 4m4 minutes ago Roger Bird 2: "... well after her admission to the list of approved candidates, with interest on both sides .... Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 3m3 minutes ago Roger Bird 3: "She was keen on me and I was keen on her. I have got emails and texts to show we had a relationship ...." Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 2m2 minutes ago Roger Bird 4: ".... and I will be presenting these to the inquiry. In any relationship there are some texts of an intimate nature."
So your vote is going to the (white) posh PPE gratuate metrosexual toff member of the Elite London Private Members Club then? ...not the (black) woman.
She only joined UKIP in September - they very quickly jumped into a consensual relationship. I wonder how the ugly bald bespectacled 75k a year Clubbable Kipper in charge of candidate selection managed to be such a quick worker with the attractive female would be candidate (as Mrs Merton might say). This does look like being fun when UKIP sides with the posh metrosexual toff with his definition of 'consensual'.
Your mind seems made up
What about the ethnic politics of the Tories in Thurrock? Shall I take your silence to mean its ok with you?
This twitter account presents itself as an impartial political geek resource, but is a Labour party strategist I believe
@election_data @election_data · 6m6 minutes ago Some interesting thoughts in the @BESResearch study on UKIP-Labour but mostly useless, in a literal sense. There, I've said it.
Ian Warren who runs election data, is an impartial political geek, his data analysis led to both UKIP and Labour trying to hire him.
He chose Labour.
He's less of a strategist, more the British Nate Silver.
Really? His tweets don't seem very impartial, although his account looks like he is trying to seem so
Yes really.
He's always been Labour inclined, but he's gives his honest opinion on the data, hence why UKIP offered him silly money to work for them.
Well if you read his tweets and think he is impartial you have even less insight than I thought
Although I see you and he both fell for the Labour North London anti semitic tweet, which explains a lot
He was so impartial, that UKIP tried to hire him on silly money.
So, if UKIP and I think he's pretty impartial when it comes to his data analysis, and you think he isn't, then UKIP and I must be wrong.
Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account
"Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account"
After I pointed that out to you on here
No it was before, check the time of the tweet and the posts on here.
This twitter account presents itself as an impartial political geek resource, but is a Labour party strategist I believe
@election_data @election_data · 6m6 minutes ago Some interesting thoughts in the @BESResearch study on UKIP-Labour but mostly useless, in a literal sense. There, I've said it.
Ian Warren who runs election data, is an impartial political geek, his data analysis led to both UKIP and Labour trying to hire him.
He chose Labour.
He's less of a strategist, more the British Nate Silver.
Really? His tweets don't seem very impartial, although his account looks like he is trying to seem so
Yes really.
He's always been Labour inclined, but he's gives his honest opinion on the data, hence why UKIP offered him silly money to work for them.
Well if you read his tweets and think he is impartial you have even less insight than I thought
Although I see you and he both fell for the Labour North London anti semitic tweet, which explains a lot
He was so impartial, that UKIP tried to hire him on silly money.
So, if UKIP and I think he's pretty impartial when it comes to his data analysis, and you think he isn't, then UKIP and I must be wrong.
Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account
"Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account"
After I pointed that out to you on here
No it was before, check the time of the tweet and the posts on here.
Any intel on this? It's been an interesting to have a political market without a betfair market alongside. Once the 3 candidates were known the prices basically settled down [Murphy crunched in from 4/7 to 1/4, Boyack drifted from 10/1 to 25/1] and have then remained fairly static over the past fortnight or so.
It does seem like a David v Ed situation all over again with the MPs/MSPs favouring Murphy and the unions favouring Findlay.
Just a case of whether they want a Tory leader , a leftie duffer or a woman. Last time the unions won it for their choice so would be wary of thinking Murphy is a certainty.
This twitter account presents itself as an impartial political geek resource, but is a Labour party strategist I believe
@election_data @election_data · 6m6 minutes ago Some interesting thoughts in the @BESResearch study on UKIP-Labour but mostly useless, in a literal sense. There, I've said it.
Ian Warren who runs election data, is an impartial political geek, his data analysis led to both UKIP and Labour trying to hire him.
He chose Labour.
He's less of a strategist, more the British Nate Silver.
Really? His tweets don't seem very impartial, although his account looks like he is trying to seem so
Yes really.
He's always been Labour inclined, but he's gives his honest opinion on the data, hence why UKIP offered him silly money to work for them.
Well if you read his tweets and think he is impartial you have even less insight than I thought
Although I see you and he both fell for the Labour North London anti semitic tweet, which explains a lot
He was so impartial, that UKIP tried to hire him on silly money.
So, if UKIP and I think he's pretty impartial when it comes to his data analysis, and you think he isn't, then UKIP and I must be wrong.
Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account
"Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account"
After I pointed that out to you on here
No it was before, check the time of the tweet and the posts on here.
Whatever the truth of the matter, Natasha Bolter seriously suggested female only tube carriages.. she seems a very odd person if twitter accounts are any measure of someone's personality (assuming it is her real account @bnasa
Under the above circumstances what is odd is that you should think it is odd to suggest female only carriages. It may not be the right solution, for the very good reason that men should behave properly towards women, but be honest is it so 'odd'.
Nice try but I didn't say she was odd for suggesting that, although I don't think it is a good idea. The account on the whole has a lot of mixed messages which read as rather odd
What do you make of the Tories ethnic politicking against UKIP's candidate in Thurrock which may well result in a Lab gain from the Tories?
I think I am happy with my reading of your comment. I think ethnic politicking - ''making the white voters angry'' is wrong. Just like in the alleged manner of the UKIP local party chairman saying, look at that “f***ing Pole” who “hasn’t worked out the benefits system and how to get a free pushchair”. (as per The Times)
On topic, UKIP do appear to hurting the Tories in the marginals as per Lord Ashcroft's poll of the marginals. That said, I wonder if turnout next year will help reduce the damage for the Blues. As Mike has pointed out before, UKIP do appear to have significant support from people who didn't vote last time and don't turn out to vote, will we see that phenomenon next May?
The BES findings are:- 1. UKIP will not do much damage to the Tories in marginals (I disagree). 2. UKIP get a similar % of DNV people as other parties.
Cheers, I have the lurgy, so I don't have the energy to wade through the report.
TSE - Just play the BES bit from Westminster Hour.
The lurgy has also rendered me bunged up and hard of hearing.
I recommend (Baxters) chicken soup, and self-pity. Always works for me!
Cheers, I've been overdosing on lemsip at the moment.
This twitter account presents itself as an impartial political geek resource, but is a Labour party strategist I believe
@election_data @election_data · 6m6 minutes ago Some interesting thoughts in the @BESResearch study on UKIP-Labour but mostly useless, in a literal sense. There, I've said it.
Really? His tweets don't seem very impartial, although his account looks like he is trying to seem so
Yes really.
He's always been Labour inclined, but he's gives his honest opinion on the data, hence why UKIP offered him silly money to work for them.
Well if you read his tweets and think he is impartial you have even less insight than I thought
Although I see you and he both fell for the Labour North London anti semitic tweet, which explains a lot
He was so impartial, that UKIP tried to hire him on silly money.
So, if UKIP and I think he's pretty impartial when it comes to his data analysis, and you think he isn't, then UKIP and I must be wrong.
Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account
"Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account"
After I pointed that out to you on here
No it was before, check the time of the tweet and the posts on here.
Whatever the truth of the matter, Natasha Bolter seriously suggested female only tube carriages.. she seems a very odd person if twitter accounts are any measure of someone's personality (assuming it is her real account @bnasa
Under the above circumstances what is odd is that you should think it is odd to suggest female only carriages. It may not be the right solution, for the very good reason that men should behave properly towards women, but be honest is it so 'odd'.
Nice try but I didn't say she was odd for suggesting that, although I don't think it is a good idea. The account on the whole has a lot of mixed messages which read as rather odd
What do you make of the Tories ethnic politicking against UKIP's candidate in Thurrock which may well result in a Lab gain from the Tories?
I think I am happy with my reading of your comment. I think ethnic politicking - ''making the white voters angry'' is wrong. Just like in the alleged manner of the UKIP local party chairman saying, look at that “f***ing Pole” who “hasn’t worked out the benefits system and how to get a free pushchair”. (as per The Times)
Well you've read it incorrectly, but ignorance is bliss they say, so I am sure you are very, very happy
Any intel on this? It's been an interesting to have a political market without a betfair market alongside. Once the 3 candidates were known the prices basically settled down [Murphy crunched in from 4/7 to 1/4, Boyack drifted from 10/1 to 25/1] and have then remained fairly static over the past fortnight or so.
It does seem like a David v Ed situation all over again with the MPs/MSPs favouring Murphy and the unions favouring Findlay.
Just a case of whether they want a Tory leader , a leftie duffer or a woman. Last time the unions won it for their choice so would be wary of thinking Murphy is a certainty.
What strikes me in this supposed Labour heartland is that quite a lot of the voters I spoke to here don’t greatly care about that any more. Some newspapers printed in London may portray Ed Miliband (inter alia) as a dangerous radical. In Maryhill I more often heard him described as “just like the Tories”.
"London Mayor Boris Johnson has said that breastfeeding mothers should be “discreet” when feeding their babies in public.
Asked during phone-in interview on LBC radio whether he approved of Claridges’ decision to ask a mother breastfeeding her child to cover herself, the Mayor initially responded: “I don’t know about this, I wasn’t there and it wasn’t clear to me how much of her breast was exposed.”
Pushed by interviewer Nick Ferrari, Mr Johnson eventually claimed: “It depends how you do it, in my view. I think you can do it in a sort of discreet way, I think Claridges were a little bit clumsy in the way that they wade in. But what do I know?” "
I am waiting for the shrieks of outrage, pages of condemnation, endless quotes from mumsnet etc from Mr Jessop, Flightpath, TheWatcher and all the usual suspects, but I suspect I might wait in vain, since its not Farage but cuddly old Boris.
Before you embarrass yourself further, may I suggest you go back and read my first comment about Farage's comments, which were more balanced than you seem to realise. The people I were complaining about on those threads were the Neanderthals on here who seemed to want breastfeeding women not to play a part in society. You know, because they have those awful womanly bits.
Are you condemning Boris Johnson too? He has called for women to be discreet when breastfeeding and thus also believes such women should not play a part in society, by your logic.
You're becoming a stereotype of Kipper's criticism in terms of distorting words.
"London Mayor Boris Johnson has said that breastfeeding mothers should be “discreet” when feeding their babies in public.
Asked during phone-in interview on LBC radio whether he approved of Claridges’ decision to ask a mother breastfeeding her child to cover herself, the Mayor initially responded: “I don’t know about this, I wasn’t there and it wasn’t clear to me how much of her breast was exposed.”
Pushed by interviewer Nick Ferrari, Mr Johnson eventually claimed: “It depends how you do it, in my view. I think you can do it in a sort of discreet way, I think Claridges were a little bit clumsy in the way that they wade in. But what do I know?” "
I am waiting for the shrieks of outrage, pages of condemnation, endless quotes from mumsnet etc from Mr Jessop, Flightpath, TheWatcher and all the usual suspects, but I suspect I might wait in vain, since its not Farage but cuddly old Boris.
I don't understand why Mumsnet is so offended that there are people who are offended by public breastfeeding.
Taking a dump, farting or picking my nose are completely natural and necessary functions as well, but I'd expect to be chucked out of any restaurant if I did that at my table (although Gordon Brown was fine with doing the latter where we could all see him).
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 8m8 minutes ago Roger Bird tells me he has emails and texts which show he and Natasha Bolter had a relationship between 18 September and 2 November Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 5m5 minutes ago Roger Bird 1: "Natasha Bolter and I were in a consensual relationship between 18 September and 2 November ...." Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 4m4 minutes ago Roger Bird 2: "... well after her admission to the list of approved candidates, with interest on both sides .... Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 3m3 minutes ago Roger Bird 3: "She was keen on me and I was keen on her. I have got emails and texts to show we had a relationship ...." Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 2m2 minutes ago Roger Bird 4: ".... and I will be presenting these to the inquiry. In any relationship there are some texts of an intimate nature."
So your vote is going to the (white) posh PPE gratuate metrosexual toff member of the Elite London Private Members Club then? ...not the (black) woman.
She only joined UKIP in September - they very quickly jumped into a consensual relationship. I wonder how the ugly bald bespectacled 75k a year Clubbable Kipper in charge of candidate selection managed to be such a quick worker with the attractive female would be candidate (as Mrs Merton might say). This does look like being fun when UKIP sides with the posh metrosexual toff with his definition of 'consensual'.
Your mind seems made up
What about the ethnic politics of the Tories in Thurrock? Shall I take your silence to mean its ok with you?
No I have an open mind. I am not a Kipper. I am just wildly ammused and I know I should not be - its a serious matter - on the Hobsons Choice left for kippers. But you know that. You are learning to love posh clubbable PPE graduates, tarnished with sleaze. And then there's Neil Hamilton.
And I've already just told you my opinion about the crass name calling in the poster.
it's not the cost of food that is expensive about eating well (you can buy calotie packed ready meaks for pennies from icelsmd/farm foods). Its the other stuff like the electricity cost to run your fridge 24/7 or cook with the oven for 45 mins vs 3 mins in the microwave. Putting together a decent set of pots pans knives oven dishes etc is an expensive capital investment for people who are living pay cheque to pay cheque.
What do you think is the cost to run a fridge for a month, out of interest?
I note Alistair went silent. It's about a fiver a month for those interested. An oven is about £3.50.
Clearly major barriers for those on £250 a month JSA. (And that's the lower rate for under 25s!) Left-wingers are daft sometimes.
This twitter account presents itself as an impartial political geek resource, but is a Labour party strategist I believe
@election_data @election_data · 6m6 minutes ago Some interesting thoughts in the @BESResearch study on UKIP-Labour but mostly useless, in a literal sense. There, I've said it.
Ian Warren who runs election data, is an impartial political geek, his data analysis led to both UKIP and Labour trying to hire him.
He chose Labour.
He's less of a strategist, more the British Nate Silver.
Really? His tweets don't seem very impartial, although his account looks like he is trying to seem so
Yes really.
He's always been Labour inclined, but he's gives his honest opinion on the data, hence why UKIP offered him silly money to work for them.
Well if you read his tweets and think he is impartial you have even less insight than I thought
Although I see you and he both fell for the Labour North London anti semitic tweet, which explains a lot
He was so impartial, that UKIP tried to hire him on silly money.
So, if UKIP and I think he's pretty impartial when it comes to his data analysis, and you think he isn't, then UKIP and I must be wrong.
Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account
"Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account"
After I pointed that out to you on here
No it was before, check the time of the tweet and the posts on here.
"London Mayor Boris Johnson has said that breastfeeding mothers should be “discreet” when feeding their babies in public.
Asked during phone-in interview on LBC radio whether he approved of Claridges’ decision to ask a mother breastfeeding her child to cover herself, the Mayor initially responded: “I don’t know about this, I wasn’t there and it wasn’t clear to me how much of her breast was exposed.”
Pushed by interviewer Nick Ferrari, Mr Johnson eventually claimed: “It depends how you do it, in my view. I think you can do it in a sort of discreet way, I think Claridges were a little bit clumsy in the way that they wade in. But what do I know?” "
I am waiting for the shrieks of outrage, pages of condemnation, endless quotes from mumsnet etc from Mr Jessop, Flightpath, TheWatcher and all the usual suspects, but I suspect I might wait in vain, since its not Farage but cuddly old Boris.
Before you embarrass yourself further, may I suggest you go back and read my first comment about Farage's comments, which were more balanced than you seem to realise. The people I were complaining about on those threads were the Neanderthals on here who seemed to want breastfeeding women not to play a part in society. You know, because they have those awful womanly bits.
You're becoming a stereotype of Kipper's criticism in terms of distorting words.
There's more than one viewpoint on things. Just because someone does not agree with you (heaven forfend!) does not mean they are distorting or lying. Your position on this on a previous thread seemed rather odd, to say the least.
Equating Farage's comments with Johnson's is laughable. 'Being discrete' does not mean forcing them into a corner, or any of the more misogynistic screeches we heard from some during those threads.
Again, read my initial comment on Farge's comments. Aside from that, it might be best not to restart this topic ...
"London Mayor Boris Johnson has said that breastfeeding mothers should be “discreet” when feeding their babies in public.
Asked during phone-in interview on LBC radio whether he approved of Claridges’ decision to ask a mother breastfeeding her child to cover herself, the Mayor initially responded: “I don’t know about this, I wasn’t there and it wasn’t clear to me how much of her breast was exposed.”
Pushed by interviewer Nick Ferrari, Mr Johnson eventually claimed: “It depends how you do it, in my view. I think you can do it in a sort of discreet way, I think Claridges were a little bit clumsy in the way that they wade in. But what do I know?” "
I am waiting for the shrieks of outrage, pages of condemnation, endless quotes from mumsnet etc from Mr Jessop, Flightpath, TheWatcher and all the usual suspects, but I suspect I might wait in vain, since its not Farage but cuddly old Boris.
Before you embarrass yourself further, may I suggest you go back and read my first comment about Farage's comments, which were more balanced than you seem to realise. The people I were complaining about on those threads were the Neanderthals on here who seemed to want breastfeeding women not to play a part in society. You know, because they have those awful womanly bits.
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 8m8 minutes ago Roger Bird tells me he has emails and texts which show he and Natasha Bolter had a relationship between 18 September and 2 November Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 5m5 minutes ago Roger Bird 1: "Natasha Bolter and I were in a consensual relationship between 18 September and 2 November ...." Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 4m4 minutes ago Roger Bird 2: "... well after her admission to the list of approved candidates, with interest on both sides .... Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 3m3 minutes ago Roger Bird 3: "She was keen on me and I was keen on her. I have got emails and texts to show we had a relationship ...." Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 2m2 minutes ago Roger Bird 4: ".... and I will be presenting these to the inquiry. In any relationship there are some texts of an intimate nature."
So your vote is going to the (white) posh PPE gratuate metrosexual toff member of the Elite London Private Members Club then? ...not the (black) woman.
She only joined UKIP in September - they very quickly jumped into a consensual relationship. I wonder how the ugly bald bespectacled 75k a year Clubbable Kipper in charge of candidate selection managed to be such a quick worker with the attractive female would be candidate (as Mrs Merton might say). This does look like being fun when UKIP sides with the posh metrosexual toff with his definition of 'consensual'.
Your mind seems made up
What about the ethnic politics of the Tories in Thurrock? Shall I take your silence to mean its ok with you?
No I have an open mind. I am not a Kipper. I am just wildly ammused and I know I should not be - its a serious matter - on the Hobsons Choice left for kippers. But you know that. You are learning to love posh clubbable PPE graduates, tarnished with sleaze. And then there's Neil Hamilton.
And I've already just told you my opinion about the crass name calling in the poster.
I take people as I find them, there is good & bad in everyone and I wouldn't be stupid enough to form an opinion either way on someone on their background, be it posh, rich, poor, whatever
This twitter account presents itself as an impartial political geek resource, but is a Labour party strategist I believe
@election_data @election_data · 6m6 minutes ago Some interesting thoughts in the @BESResearch study on UKIP-Labour but mostly useless, in a literal sense. There, I've said it.
Ian Warren who runs election data, is an impartial political geek, his data analysis led to both UKIP and Labour trying to hire him.
He chose Labour.
He's less of a strategist, more the British Nate Silver.
Really? His tweets don't seem very impartial, although his account looks like he is trying to seem so
Yes really.
He's always been Labour inclined, but he's gives his honest opinion on the data, hence why UKIP offered him silly money to work for them.
Well if you read his tweets and think he is impartial you have even less insight than I thought
Although I see you and he both fell for the Labour North London anti semitic tweet, which explains a lot
He was so impartial, that UKIP tried to hire him on silly money.
So, if UKIP and I think he's pretty impartial when it comes to his data analysis, and you think he isn't, then UKIP and I must be wrong.
Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account
"Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account"
After I pointed that out to you on here
No it was before, check the time of the tweet and the posts on here.
This twitter account presents itself as an impartial political geek resource, but is a Labour party strategist I believe
@election_data @election_data · 6m6 minutes ago Some interesting thoughts in the @BESResearch study on UKIP-Labour but mostly useless, in a literal sense. There, I've said it.
Ian Warren who runs election data, is an impartial political geek, his data analysis led to both UKIP and Labour trying to hire him.
He chose Labour.
He's less of a strategist, more the British Nate Silver.
Really? His tweets don't seem very impartial, although his account looks like he is trying to seem so
Yes really.
He's always been Labour inclined, but he's gives his honest opinion on the data, hence why UKIP offered him silly money to work for them.
Well if you read his tweets and think he is impartial you have even less insight than I thought
Although I see you and he both fell for the Labour North London anti semitic tweet, which explains a lot
He was so impartial, that UKIP tried to hire him on silly money.
So, if UKIP and I think he's pretty impartial when it comes to his data analysis, and you think he isn't, then UKIP and I must be wrong.
Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account
"Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account"
After I pointed that out to you on here
No it was before, check the time of the tweet and the posts on here.
Any intel on this? It's been an interesting to have a political market without a betfair market alongside. Once the 3 candidates were known the prices basically settled down [Murphy crunched in from 4/7 to 1/4, Boyack drifted from 10/1 to 25/1] and have then remained fairly static over the past fortnight or so.
It does seem like a David v Ed situation all over again with the MPs/MSPs favouring Murphy and the unions favouring Findlay.
Just a case of whether they want a Tory leader , a leftie duffer or a woman. Last time the unions won it for their choice so would be wary of thinking Murphy is a certainty.
It does appear that Murphy has Tories working in his campaign team , some even joining Labour as well so they can help get Scottish labour as Blue as their southern brethern. So depends how Findlay galvanises what is left of the left leaning Labour.
Any intel on this? It's been an interesting to have a political market without a betfair market alongside. Once the 3 candidates were known the prices basically settled down [Murphy crunched in from 4/7 to 1/4, Boyack drifted from 10/1 to 25/1] and have then remained fairly static over the past fortnight or so.
It does seem like a David v Ed situation all over again with the MPs/MSPs favouring Murphy and the unions favouring Findlay.
Just a case of whether they want a Tory leader , a leftie duffer or a woman. Last time the unions won it for their choice so would be wary of thinking Murphy is a certainty.
What strikes me in this supposed Labour heartland is that quite a lot of the voters I spoke to here don’t greatly care about that any more. Some newspapers printed in London may portray Ed Miliband (inter alia) as a dangerous radical. In Maryhill I more often heard him described as “just like the Tories”.
Is this the inevitable result of the SLAB/SLD approach to blaming all on Westminster and linking that to "the English"? So when Brown left Labour's top team and we had him replaced by English so SLAB voters reacted..... Essentially SLAB and the SLDs fed the nationalist cause and we now have the SNP dominating Scotland. Now if Unite shifted support to the SNP from SLAB, it really would be curtains for SLAB.
"London Mayor Boris Johnson has said that breastfeeding mothers should be “discreet” when feeding their babies in public.
Asked during phone-in interview on LBC radio whether he approved of Claridges’ decision to ask a mother breastfeeding her child to cover herself, the Mayor initially responded: “I don’t know about this, I wasn’t there and it wasn’t clear to me how much of her breast was exposed.”
Pushed by interviewer Nick Ferrari, Mr Johnson eventually claimed: “It depends how you do it, in my view. I think you can do it in a sort of discreet way, I think Claridges were a little bit clumsy in the way that they wade in. But what do I know?” "
I am waiting for the shrieks of outrage, pages of condemnation, endless quotes from mumsnet etc from Mr Jessop, Flightpath, TheWatcher and all the usual suspects, but I suspect I might wait in vain, since its not Farage but cuddly old Boris.
Before you embarrass yourself further, may I suggest you go back and read my first comment about Farage's comments, which were more balanced than you seem to realise. The people I were complaining about on those threads were the Neanderthals on here who seemed to want breastfeeding women not to play a part in society. You know, because they have those awful womanly bits.
Do urinating man have a part to play in society?
Breastfeeding != urinating, defecating, or any of the other stupid comparisons people come out with.
it's not the cost of food that is expensive about eating well (you can buy calotie packed ready meaks for pennies from icelsmd/farm foods). Its the other stuff like the electricity cost to run your fridge 24/7 or cook with the oven for 45 mins vs 3 mins in the microwave. Putting together a decent set of pots pans knives oven dishes etc is an expensive capital investment for people who are living pay cheque to pay cheque.
What do you think is the cost to run a fridge for a month, out of interest?
I note Alistair went silent. It's about a fiver a month for those interested. An oven is about £3.50.
Clearly major barriers for those on £250 a month JSA. (And that's the lower rate for under 25s!) Left-wingers are daft sometimes.
A fridge on its own is even less than that. It is of course lack of ideas and effort that is the problem with food, not money. Food may be basic on a low income but not necessarily poor quality or for that matter boring to eat.
"London Mayor Boris Johnson has said that breastfeeding mothers should be “discreet” when feeding their babies in public.
Asked during phone-in interview on LBC radio whether he approved of Claridges’ decision to ask a mother breastfeeding her child to cover herself, the Mayor initially responded: “I don’t know about this, I wasn’t there and it wasn’t clear to me how much of her breast was exposed.”
Pushed by interviewer Nick Ferrari, Mr Johnson eventually claimed: “It depends how you do it, in my view. I think you can do it in a sort of discreet way, I think Claridges were a little bit clumsy in the way that they wade in. But what do I know?” "
I am waiting for the shrieks of outrage, pages of condemnation, endless quotes from mumsnet etc from Mr Jessop, Flightpath, TheWatcher and all the usual suspects, but I suspect I might wait in vain, since its not Farage but cuddly old Boris.
Before you embarrass yourself further, may I suggest you go back and read my first comment about Farage's comments, which were more balanced than you seem to realise. The people I were complaining about on those threads were the Neanderthals on here who seemed to want breastfeeding women not to play a part in society. You know, because they have those awful womanly bits.
Do urinating man have a part to play in society?
Breastfeeding != urinating, defecating, or any of the other stupid comparisons people come out with.
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 8m8 minutes ago Roger Bird tells me he has emails and texts which show he and Natasha Bolter had a relationship between 18 September and 2 November Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 5m5 minutes ago Roger Bird 1: "Natasha Bolter and I were in a consensual relationship between 18 September and 2 November ...." Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 4m4 minutes ago Roger Bird 2: "... well after her admission to the list of approved candidates, with interest on both sides .... Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 3m3 minutes ago Roger Bird 3: "She was keen on me and I was keen on her. I have got emails and texts to show we had a relationship ...." Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick · 2m2 minutes ago Roger Bird 4: ".... and I will be presenting these to the inquiry. In any relationship there are some texts of an intimate nature."
So your vote is going to the (white) posh PPE gratuate metrosexual toff member of the Elite London Private Members Club then? ...not the (black) woman.
She only joined UKIP in September - they very quickly jumped into a consensual relationship. I wonder how the ugly bald bespectacled 75k a year Clubbable Kipper in charge of candidate selection managed to be such a quick worker with the attractive female would be candidate (as Mrs Merton might say). This does look like being fun when UKIP sides with the posh metrosexual toff with his definition of 'consensual'.
Your mind seems made up
What about the ethnic politics of the Tories in Thurrock? Shall I take your silence to mean its ok with you?
No I have an open mind. I am not a Kipper. I am just wildly ammused and I know I should not be - its a serious matter - on the Hobsons Choice left for kippers. But you know that. You are learning to love posh clubbable PPE graduates, tarnished with sleaze. And then there's Neil Hamilton.
And I've already just told you my opinion about the crass name calling in the poster.
I take people as I find them, there is good & bad in everyone and I wouldn't be stupid enough to form an opinion either way on someone on their background, be it posh, rich, poor, whatever
it's not the cost of food that is expensive about eating well (you can buy calotie packed ready meaks for pennies from icelsmd/farm foods). Its the other stuff like the electricity cost to run your fridge 24/7 or cook with the oven for 45 mins vs 3 mins in the microwave. Putting together a decent set of pots pans knives oven dishes etc is an expensive capital investment for people who are living pay cheque to pay cheque.
What do you think is the cost to run a fridge for a month, out of interest?
I note Alistair went silent. It's about a fiver a month for those interested. An oven is about £3.50.
Clearly major barriers for those on £250 a month JSA. (And that's the lower rate for under 25s!) Left-wingers are daft sometimes.
A fiver a month, or 3 to 5 meals for the month from Iceland. And the power consumption of a fridge varies widely between my bought last year A+++ model and the 10 year old piece of shit in their rented accommodation on a pre-pay meter that the poor have.
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So, if UKIP and I think he's pretty impartial when it comes to his data analysis, and you think he isn't, then UKIP and I must be wrong.
Re the tweet, my tweet at the time said I hoped it was a spoof account
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2865580/Irish-gipsies-sue-Wetherspoons-pub-100-000-race-discrimination-turned-away.html
...not the (black) woman.
She only joined UKIP in September - they very quickly jumped into a consensual relationship. I wonder how the ugly bald bespectacled 75k a year Clubbable Kipper in charge of candidate selection managed to be such a quick worker with the attractive female would be candidate (as Mrs Merton might say).
This does look like being fun when UKIP sides with the posh metrosexual toff with his definition of 'consensual'.
After I pointed that out to you on here
Shouldn't you have apologised for reposting that smear?
What about the ethnic politics of the Tories in Thurrock? Shall I take your silence to mean its ok with you?
10.02pm, time of my tweet, on Thursday night
https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/540627318340087809
My post on PB at 10.05pm on Thursday
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/487912/#Comment_487912
I know it is hard for you to contemplate, but you might be wrong, again.
There is no time (10.05) on the link you posted so it proves nothing, but I will accept your word, why would you lie?
http://blogs.channel4.com/gary-gibbon-on-politics/scottish-labour-leadership-contest-general-election/29853
I did acknowledge it was a spoof the next day when you asked me if I was aware it was a spoof account.
http://politicalbetting.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/488592/#Comment_488592
I think ethnic politicking - ''making the white voters angry'' is wrong. Just like in the alleged manner of the UKIP local party chairman saying, look at that “f***ing Pole” who “hasn’t worked out the benefits system and how to get a free pushchair”. (as per The Times)
What a heartfelt apology! Like those on P2 of the papers!
You're becoming a stereotype of Kipper's criticism in terms of distorting words.
Taking a dump, farting or picking my nose are completely natural and necessary functions as well, but I'd expect to be chucked out of any restaurant if I did that at my table (although Gordon Brown was fine with doing the latter where we could all see him).
Why exactly is breastfeeding different?
I am just wildly ammused and I know I should not be - its a serious matter - on the Hobsons Choice left for kippers. But you know that. You are learning to love posh clubbable PPE graduates, tarnished with sleaze. And then there's Neil Hamilton.
And I've already just told you my opinion about the crass name calling in the poster.
Clearly major barriers for those on £250 a month JSA. (And that's the lower rate for under 25s!) Left-wingers are daft sometimes.
Equating Farage's comments with Johnson's is laughable. 'Being discrete' does not mean forcing them into a corner, or any of the more misogynistic screeches we heard from some during those threads.
Again, read my initial comment on Farge's comments. Aside from that, it might be best not to restart this topic ...
#typicalkipper
Its just that you have always been wrong when you attempted to stump me in the past, but keep trying, it'll happen
So when Brown left Labour's top team and we had him replaced by English so SLAB voters reacted.....
Essentially SLAB and the SLDs fed the nationalist cause and we now have the SNP dominating Scotland.
Now if Unite shifted support to the SNP from SLAB, it really would be curtains for SLAB.