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edited October 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Tories maintain their lead with YouGov

Meanwhile ICM have done an online poll for the Guardian, there’s no VI at the moment, but as with other pollsters, the Tories have a commanding lead on the economy.  Interestingly, out of the politician polled, George Osborne is the most popular UK wide politician (well technically speaking, he’s the least unpopular UK wide politician)

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,534
    Tipping point.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    2nd?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Tipping point.

    It actually might be.

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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618

    MaxPB said:

    35 Con, 33 Lab. Danger territory for Ed. With a Tory lead three polls running and the Ashcroft poll showing level pegging then a Tory lead surely Populus is the outlier.

    ....and Com Res....and ICM...and Opinium.
    We haven't had polls from any of those since the conferences. Of the polls we have had two of the companies have shown Con leads, one of them for three polls running.
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    Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,059
    edited October 2014
    So this is why Rev O forgot his dog collar.... he's getting down in the dirt with the Fulham turncoat.

    Giles Watling‏@GilesWatling·6 mins6 minutes ago
    The most important thing for #Clacton is having a local candidate who lives locally who's there for local people. #BattleForClacton
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894
    It looks like something is happening...
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618
    Also, BenM was right. Ed's speech was a complete dud. ICM have him just 7 points ahead of Clegg. Absolute disaster area for Ed.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    FPT:
    @foxinsoxuk said:

    Farage favours doing nothing to intervene in the Middle East. I think Respect take the same position.
    ------------------------------------
    For your info Foxy, kippers are not automations and we all think for ourselves. On the ISIL threat I differ with the party line, but makes me not one bit less a kipper. Thats what make UKIP different from your run of the mill party.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    edited October 2014
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    35 Con, 33 Lab. Danger territory for Ed. With a Tory lead three polls running and the Ashcroft poll showing level pegging then a Tory lead surely Populus is the outlier.

    ....and Com Res....and ICM...and Opinium.
    We haven't had polls from any of those since the conferences. Of the polls we have had two of the companies have shown Con leads, one of them for three polls running.
    Populus has had two 'normal' Labour lead polls in a row as well though.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited October 2014
    There has clearly been a big, fundamental shift. I really hope the Labour leadership don't continue to bury their heads in the sand, ostrich-like.

    The most ironic thing is the Conservatives are still not doing that spectacularly themselves -- still below their mediocre 2010 performance. If they can just recoup the Green defectors and the working-class 2010 Lab voters who've gone to UKIP, they could STILL win even now in spite of everything. But that would involve not having Tory economic policies.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Tipping point.

    More like crapping point. ;)
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    @IshmaelX

    "Your twisted cynicsm makes me feel sick" is The Jam "Scrape Away"
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    saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    MikeK said:

    FPT:
    @foxinsoxuk said:

    Farage favours doing nothing to intervene in the Middle East. I think Respect take the same position.
    ------------------------------------
    For your info Foxy, kippers are not automations and we all think for ourselves. On the ISIL threat I differ with the party line, but makes me not one bit less a kipper. Thats what make UKIP different from your run of the mill party.

    Unfortunately for you what Nigel says is what Nigel gets. UKIP is a one man band and if you think that your opinion registers on the radar of the messiah, you're delusional.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Osborne ascendant? Almost makes you wish that the Master Strategist's greatest fan was here to share the moment with us...
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Danny565 said:

    There has clearly been a big, fundamental shift. I really hope the Labour leadership don't continue to bury their heads in the sand, ostrich-like.

    The most ironic thing is the Conservatives are still not doing that spectacularly themselves -- still below their mediocre 2010 performance. If they can just recoup the Green defectors and the working-class 2010 Lab voters who've gone to UKIP, they could STILL win even now in spite of everything. But that would involve not having Tory economic policies.

    Leave UKIP alone!
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    Some might say my betting position is skewing my views on the sainted Rev O vs the pigdog.

    That would of course be very fair.

    Giles Watling‏@GilesWatling·31 secs32 seconds ago
    As only #ClactonByElection candidate who uses Caradoc surgery, I understand local issues on GPs. We must protect our #NHS #BattleForClacton
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    Weller at his finest

    "The Butterfly Collector"

    So you finally got what you wanted
    You've achieved your aim by making the walking lame
    And when you just can't get any higher
    You use your senses to suss out this week's climber
    And the small fame that you've acquired
    Has brought you into cult status
    But to me you're still a collector

    There's tarts and whores but you're much more
    You're a different kind 'cause you want their minds
    And you just don't care 'cause you've got no pride
    It's just a face on your pillowcase
    That thrills you.............
    .
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited October 2014
    On topic: Maybe its tipping point, maybe its not. Money at this point is not quite but the way Cameron has done his talking on stage compared to Miliband's student debating society stuff I suspect is critical here more than any specific initiatives or policy plans.

    If that is so then it will start to weigh even more closer to election time.

    FPT:

    The Turks have already sold out 10 times over when it comes to Syria. Lots of talk, no real action. They can either sell out again or change. Either is possible and neither would surprise. The Turkish airforce has been seen over the town and there is an ambulance run from the North end of the town into Turkey

    The Kurds if the West etc don't bother will turn to the Iranians.

    HYUFD. This is not heavy bombing, not by a long chalk. Take Kobani as I posted late last night when I said it and probably Ramadi in Iraq were likely to fall to IS in the coming days. There have been airstrikes around Kobani but they've been pitiful, in the handfuls (just two in the last 6-8+ hours).

    The US has B1 bombers, they've been seen in-theater, the opportunity to take out the Chechens leading the assault on the town by literally flattening the countryside was there. They didn't.

    Now that IS are in the streets bombing becomes extremely problematic.
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    MikeK said:

    FPT:
    @foxinsoxuk said:

    Farage favours doing nothing to intervene in the Middle East. I think Respect take the same position.
    ------------------------------------
    For your info Foxy, kippers are not automations and we all think for ourselves. On the ISIL threat I differ with the party line, but makes me not one bit less a kipper. Thats what make UKIP different from your run of the mill party.

    In fairness to UKIP our policy of intervention is hardly proving to be a roaring success so far as ISIS have actually gained territory. My expectation was that it would be hard to oust them from urban centres like Mosul; and Raqqa but we would at least contain them.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Another item of Americana -

    I've mentioned on here before that baseball is in long term decline, with its audience declining and skewing older. They also are not that smart with their TV contracts.

    The playoffs are in full swing. They are on ESPN, TNT, Fox sports 1 and 2 and MLB Network. The last 3 are hard to find. ALL cable, not a single major network. Last night a game ran 6 hours 23 minutes! So far the Orioles and Royals are moving on. Both are small markets and baseball is increasingly regional.

    The NFL continues to dominate ratings at an ever increasing rate, and all games are on the major networks, other than Monday Night Football. After 30 years on ABC it went to ESPN, though games are available on network TV in the teams home markets.

    Even the Thursday night games on CBS, which have all been blowouts with an average victory margin of 28 points, get great ratings.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    So I got an email from Labour tonight - on FOX HUNTING....

    They are against it.

    This 25% strategy is in force,
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    isamisam Posts: 40,988

    MikeK said:

    FPT:
    @foxinsoxuk said:

    Farage favours doing nothing to intervene in the Middle East. I think Respect take the same position.
    ------------------------------------
    For your info Foxy, kippers are not automations and we all think for ourselves. On the ISIL threat I differ with the party line, but makes me not one bit less a kipper. Thats what make UKIP different from your run of the mill party.

    In fairness to UKIP our policy of intervention is hardly proving to be a roaring success so far as ISIS have actually gained territory. My expectation was that it would be hard to oust them from urban centres like Mosul; and Raqqa but we would at least contain them.
    .. not to mention Alan Henning
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    I mean... the MP for the last 9 years must think this is scandalous

    Tom Barton @tombarton
    Local GP rep Brian Barmer says there are 9 GP vacancies in #Clacton, equivalent of 18,000 not having a GP #BattleForClacton
    Retweeted by Douglas Carswell
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited October 2014
    SeanT said:

    fpt for Socrates

    I understand what you mean. But the fact is America likes being seen as "the leader of the free world", as the "exceptional country", and it boasts of having the largest military in the history of the world - which costs US taxpayers $650 BILLION a year. Yes, BILLION.

    What is the bloody point in having all this pricey hardware if you can't shoot some fecking Nazi rapists waving their flag of death on a hill, just before they go on a killing spree?

    There is no point. America either leads, or she doesn't. The Yanks are either the superpower, or they aren't. You cannot brag and swagger then hide away when duty calls.

    America DOES like being seen as the leader of the free world. Unfortunately President Obama doesn't like it. That's one of the reasons the relationship between the White House and the military have reportedly broken down.
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    Tim_B said:

    Another item of Americana -

    I've mentioned on here before that baseball is in long term decline, with its audience declining and skewing older. They also are not that smart with their TV contracts.

    The playoffs are in full swing. They are on ESPN, TNT, Fox sports 1 and 2 and MLB Network. The last 3 are hard to find. ALL cable, not a single major network. Last night a game ran 6 hours 23 minutes! So far the Orioles and Royals are moving on. Both are small markets and baseball is increasingly regional.

    The NFL continues to dominate ratings at an ever increasing rate, and all games are on the major networks, other than Monday Night Football. After 30 years on ABC it went to ESPN, though games are available on network TV in the teams home markets.

    Even the Thursday night games on CBS, which have all been blowouts with an average victory margin of 28 points, get great ratings.

    Only so long that rounders was ever going to be popular.

    Perhaps cricket will now take its place.
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    Single Data point alert

    Changes from two years ago

    Con +4, Lab -12, LD nc UKIP +5
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Danny565 said:

    There has clearly been a big, fundamental shift. I really hope the Labour leadership don't continue to bury their heads in the sand, ostrich-like.

    There was a voodoo poll on the same page of the telegraph as Dan Hodges latest "Ed is Crap" blog, asking who should lead Labour.

    When I last looked, "Ed is doing just fine thanks" had a healthy lead...
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    saddosaddo Posts: 534
    If it is crossover time, all the Lib Dem attacks this week on their govt partners will just amplify and reinforce the good messages from the Tory conference.

    Win win for Dave me thinks
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Labour figures now depend on Greens - definitely a problem. The Green Liberals.
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    numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 5,505
    I will be interested to see where we are in a months time. If we're in similar territory that is good news for the Tories...

    Whatever happens, it is hugely encouraging for them as it shows they are capable of registering poll leads circa 6 months out from an election. It shows they are not down and out.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Tim_B said:

    Another item of Americana -

    I've mentioned on here before that baseball is in long term decline, with its audience declining and skewing older. They also are not that smart with their TV contracts.

    The playoffs are in full swing. They are on ESPN, TNT, Fox sports 1 and 2 and MLB Network. The last 3 are hard to find. ALL cable, not a single major network. Last night a game ran 6 hours 23 minutes! So far the Orioles and Royals are moving on. Both are small markets and baseball is increasingly regional.

    The NFL continues to dominate ratings at an ever increasing rate, and all games are on the major networks, other than Monday Night Football. After 30 years on ABC it went to ESPN, though games are available on network TV in the teams home markets.

    Even the Thursday night games on CBS, which have all been blowouts with an average victory margin of 28 points, get great ratings.

    I'm surprised by that. Baseball seems like a good spectator sport.

    (Cheerleaders are a great idea though. Well done American Football.)
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,894
    Well if the polls do not revert to a LAB lead by end of the week I would agree this is seriously bad news for Ed is crap.

    I am already getting a little nervous re my entrenched position LAB most seats on Betfair cash out still at a reasonable profit starting to look attractive.

    Ed is crap is a massive drag on LAB in my view but it looks like LAB are stuck with him for GE2015
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    Tim_B said:

    Another item of Americana -

    I've mentioned on here before that baseball is in long term decline, with its audience declining and skewing older. They also are not that smart with their TV contracts.

    The playoffs are in full swing. They are on ESPN, TNT, Fox sports 1 and 2 and MLB Network. The last 3 are hard to find. ALL cable, not a single major network. Last night a game ran 6 hours 23 minutes! So far the Orioles and Royals are moving on. Both are small markets and baseball is increasingly regional.

    The NFL continues to dominate ratings at an ever increasing rate, and all games are on the major networks, other than Monday Night Football. After 30 years on ABC it went to ESPN, though games are available on network TV in the teams home markets.

    Even the Thursday night games on CBS, which have all been blowouts with an average victory margin of 28 points, get great ratings.

    I watched that game, Tim.

    Ye Gods, I've watched some dull cricket matches but that made them seem riveting by comparison. What was it....three runs in 32 innings?

    And does anybody know why Zimmerman was taken off in the ninth?
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    Single Data point alert

    Changes from two years ago

    Con +4, Lab -12, LD nc UKIP +5

    LD nc? That can't be right.
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    FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    Well air strikes have certainly had the desired effect IS wanted, legitimacy amongst their people and new volunteers. Of course our NATO ally is actively blocking Kurdish fighters from crossing the border, almost as perfidious as Israel shooting down a Syrian jet in order to protect Al-Nusra. Putin wasn't wrong about the consequences of the US seeking to overthrow Assad, as daft as invading Iraq.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Tim_B said:

    Another item of Americana -

    I've mentioned on here before that baseball is in long term decline, with its audience declining and skewing older. They also are not that smart with their TV contracts.

    The playoffs are in full swing. They are on ESPN, TNT, Fox sports 1 and 2 and MLB Network. The last 3 are hard to find. ALL cable, not a single major network. Last night a game ran 6 hours 23 minutes! So far the Orioles and Royals are moving on. Both are small markets and baseball is increasingly regional.

    The NFL continues to dominate ratings at an ever increasing rate, and all games are on the major networks, other than Monday Night Football. After 30 years on ABC it went to ESPN, though games are available on network TV in the teams home markets.

    Even the Thursday night games on CBS, which have all been blowouts with an average victory margin of 28 points, get great ratings.

    I'm surprised by that. Baseball seems like a good spectator sport.

    (Cheerleaders are a great idea though. Well done American Football.)
    The second most watched sports game in the US this year was an association football match.
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    Well if the polls do not revert to a LAB lead by end of the week I would agree this is seriously bad news for Ed is crap.

    I am already getting a little nervous re my entrenched position LAB most seats on Betfair cash out still at a reasonable profit starting to look attractive.

    Ed is crap is a massive drag on LAB in my view but it looks like LAB are stuck with him for GE2015

    Your nightly update service of seat projections seems to becoming a little less reliable.... am sure normal service will be resumed shortly. EICAMNBLOTOFL
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    saddosaddo Posts: 534

    Single Data point alert

    Changes from two years ago

    Con +4, Lab -12, LD nc UKIP +5

    Sometimes I just love statistics. Can say anything you like such as Ed is crap.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618
    Artist said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    35 Con, 33 Lab. Danger territory for Ed. With a Tory lead three polls running and the Ashcroft poll showing level pegging then a Tory lead surely Populus is the outlier.

    ....and Com Res....and ICM...and Opinium.
    We haven't had polls from any of those since the conferences. Of the polls we have had two of the companies have shown Con leads, one of them for three polls running.
    Populus has had two 'normal' Labour lead polls in a row as well though.
    If ICM have a Con lead in tonight's VI then I think it may point to some kind of sampling issue at Populus, maybe their panel is too narrow and has too many people who have been asked the same question too many times.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Y0kel said:

    On topic: Maybe its tipping point, maybe its not. Money at this point is not quite but the way Cameron has done his talking on stage compared to Miliband's student debating society stuff I suspect is critical here more than any specific initiatives or policy plans.

    If that is so then it will start to weigh even more closer to election time.

    FPT:

    The Turks have already sold out 10 times over when it comes to Syria. Lots of talk, no real action. They can either sell out again or change. Either is possible and neither would surprise. The Turkish airforce has been seen over the town and there is an ambulance run from the North end of the town into Turkey

    The Kurds if the West etc don't bother will turn to the Iranians.

    HYUFD. This is not heavy bombing, not by a long chalk. Take Kobani as I posted late last night when I said it and probably Ramadi in Iraq were likely to fall to IS in the coming days. There have been airstrikes around Kobani but they've been pitiful, in the handfuls (just two in the last 6-8+ hours).

    The US has B1 bombers, they've been seen in-theater, the opportunity to take out the Chechens leading the assault on the town by literally flattening the countryside was there. They didn't.

    Now that IS are in the streets bombing becomes extremely problematic.

    So you want the Turks could come in aid of the town which so clearly had aligned with the PKK. Maybe, the Turks would like to watch this one out !
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,534
    edited October 2014
    GIN1138 said:

    It looks like something is happening...

    Yes, the ICM VI (when released) will be interesting too. I think what we're seeing is the strong fundamentals for Cameron's leadership, Cameron/Osborne economic team starting to feed through into the voting intention. Labour disunity will only help that, assuming the sniping at Miliband builds up a head of steam.

    The more people start to think about GE2015 seriously, the worse for Miliband it will get.

    Right, on that bombshell: I will bid you goodnight.
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    Single Data point alert
    Changes from two years ago
    Con +4, Lab -12, LD nc UKIP +5

    Wow. An 8 point swing Lab to C.
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    Scott_P said:

    Danny565 said:

    There has clearly been a big, fundamental shift. I really hope the Labour leadership don't continue to bury their heads in the sand, ostrich-like.

    There was a voodoo poll on the same page of the telegraph as Dan Hodges latest "Ed is Crap" blog, asking who should lead Labour.

    When I last looked, "Ed is doing just fine thanks" had a healthy lead...
    That's what I voted for, albeit I want Yvette in place asap for financial reasons.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Another item of Americana -

    I've mentioned on here before that baseball is in long term decline, with its audience declining and skewing older. They also are not that smart with their TV contracts.

    The playoffs are in full swing. They are on ESPN, TNT, Fox sports 1 and 2 and MLB Network. The last 3 are hard to find. ALL cable, not a single major network. Last night a game ran 6 hours 23 minutes! So far the Orioles and Royals are moving on. Both are small markets and baseball is increasingly regional.

    The NFL continues to dominate ratings at an ever increasing rate, and all games are on the major networks, other than Monday Night Football. After 30 years on ABC it went to ESPN, though games are available on network TV in the teams home markets.

    Even the Thursday night games on CBS, which have all been blowouts with an average victory margin of 28 points, get great ratings.

    Only so long that rounders was ever going to be popular.

    Perhaps cricket will now take its place.
    Not going to happen, unfortunately. The average major league baseball game now lasts 30 minutes longer than it did 20 years ago. It's increasingly hispanic, less white and much less black than it used to be.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Ha! That's so desperate.
    TGOHF said:

    So I got an email from Labour tonight - on FOX HUNTING....

    They are against it.

    This 25% strategy is in force,

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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Well if the polls do not revert to a LAB lead by end of the week I would agree this is seriously bad news for Ed is crap.

    I am already getting a little nervous re my entrenched position LAB most seats on Betfair cash out still at a reasonable profit starting to look attractive.

    Ed is crap is a massive drag on LAB in my view but it looks like LAB are stuck with him for GE2015

    No seats forecast tonight ?
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    kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456


    Your nightly update service of seat projections seems to becoming a little less reliable.... am sure normal service will be resumed shortly. EICAMNBLOTOFL

    quite
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Luke Akehurst @lukeakehurst

    Exasperated by Jonathan Powell comparing Northern Ireland/IRA to ISIS. Up there with Chamberlain thinking he could do business with Hitler.

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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Socrates said:

    Tim_B said:

    Another item of Americana -

    I've mentioned on here before that baseball is in long term decline, with its audience declining and skewing older. They also are not that smart with their TV contracts.

    The playoffs are in full swing. They are on ESPN, TNT, Fox sports 1 and 2 and MLB Network. The last 3 are hard to find. ALL cable, not a single major network. Last night a game ran 6 hours 23 minutes! So far the Orioles and Royals are moving on. Both are small markets and baseball is increasingly regional.

    The NFL continues to dominate ratings at an ever increasing rate, and all games are on the major networks, other than Monday Night Football. After 30 years on ABC it went to ESPN, though games are available on network TV in the teams home markets.

    Even the Thursday night games on CBS, which have all been blowouts with an average victory margin of 28 points, get great ratings.

    I'm surprised by that. Baseball seems like a good spectator sport.

    (Cheerleaders are a great idea though. Well done American Football.)
    The second most watched sports game in the US this year was an association football match.
    I've noticed association football clips becoming more common on the (us dominated) reddit.com links.
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    Single Data point alert

    Changes from two years ago

    Con +4, Lab -12, LD nc UKIP +5

    LD nc? That can't be right.
    It is, the YouGov on the 5th of October 2012 had Con 31, Lab 45, LD 8, UKIP 8

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/tdixuso356/YG-Archives-Pol-ST-results - 05-071012.pdf
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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    surbiton said:

    Y0kel said:

    On topic: Maybe its tipping point, maybe its not. Money at this point is not quite but the way Cameron has done his talking on stage compared to Miliband's student debating society stuff I suspect is critical here more than any specific initiatives or policy plans.

    If that is so then it will start to weigh even more closer to election time.

    FPT:

    The Turks have already sold out 10 times over when it comes to Syria. Lots of talk, no real action. They can either sell out again or change. Either is possible and neither would surprise. The Turkish airforce has been seen over the town and there is an ambulance run from the North end of the town into Turkey

    The Kurds if the West etc don't bother will turn to the Iranians.

    HYUFD. This is not heavy bombing, not by a long chalk. Take Kobani as I posted late last night when I said it and probably Ramadi in Iraq were likely to fall to IS in the coming days. There have been airstrikes around Kobani but they've been pitiful, in the handfuls (just two in the last 6-8+ hours).

    The US has B1 bombers, they've been seen in-theater, the opportunity to take out the Chechens leading the assault on the town by literally flattening the countryside was there. They didn't.

    Now that IS are in the streets bombing becomes extremely problematic.

    So you want the Turks could come in aid of the town which so clearly had aligned with the PKK. Maybe, the Turks would like to watch this one out !
    Where did I express any opinion of 'wanting' anything in my post?

    F**k sake learn to read and interpret.
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    saddened said:

    MikeK said:

    FPT:
    @foxinsoxuk said:

    Farage favours doing nothing to intervene in the Middle East. I think Respect take the same position.
    ------------------------------------
    For your info Foxy, kippers are not automations and we all think for ourselves. On the ISIL threat I differ with the party line, but makes me not one bit less a kipper. Thats what make UKIP different from your run of the mill party.

    Unfortunately for you what Nigel says is what Nigel gets. UKIP is a one man band and if you think that your opinion registers on the radar of the messiah, you're delusional.
    I'm not unfortunate at all. Nigel Farage is a great Leader: far better than yours, whoever that may be. UKIP is growing and with it's growth it is changing into an even better party. I know that I can stand up in my local party branch or conference or indeed any meeting and say what I like or don't like and what I believe to be true.
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    Single Data point alert
    Changes from two years ago
    Con +4, Lab -12, LD nc UKIP +5

    Wow. An 8 point swing Lab to C.
    Is it not a 16 point swing?
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    That October 2012 poll I'm using was conducted a few days after the Lab conference where Ed made his One nation speech.
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    surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    I mean... the MP for the last 9 years must think this is scandalous

    Tom Barton @tombarton
    Local GP rep Brian Barmer says there are 9 GP vacancies in #Clacton, equivalent of 18,000 not having a GP #BattleForClacton
    Retweeted by Douglas Carswell

    The MP is not part of the Executive. The Tory government is the Executive.

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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    Single Data point alert

    Changes from two years ago

    Con +4, Lab -12, LD nc UKIP +5

    LD nc? That can't be right.
    It is, the YouGov on the 5th of October 2012 had Con 31, Lab 45, LD 8, UKIP 8

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/tdixuso356/YG-Archives-Pol-ST-results - 05-071012.pdf
    It's odd how unusual a 40+ score looks now.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894

    GIN1138 said:

    It looks like something is happening...

    Yes, the ICM VI (when released) will be interesting too. I think what we're seeing is the strong fundamentals for Cameron's leadership, Cameron/Osborne economic team starting to feed through into the voting intention. Labour disunity will only help that, assuming the sniping at Miliband builds up a head of steam.

    The more people start to think about GE2015 seriously, the worse for Miliband it will get.

    Right, on that bombshell: I will bid you goodnight.
    Is there a VI for ICM? I thought we was waiting for next week for VI poll from ICM?

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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Those are rather good - what album is that?

    Weller at his finest

    "The Butterfly Collector"

    So you finally got what you wanted
    You've achieved your aim by making the walking lame
    And when you just can't get any higher
    You use your senses to suss out this week's climber
    And the small fame that you've acquired
    Has brought you into cult status
    But to me you're still a collector

    There's tarts and whores but you're much more
    You're a different kind 'cause you want their minds
    And you just don't care 'cause you've got no pride
    It's just a face on your pillowcase
    That thrills you.............
    .

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    Yokel Surbiton Air strikes in Iraq seem to be having more effect, so we should let Syrian strikes follow suit, we should also supply the Kurds with more heavy weapons. Turkey is a Nato member, if it wishes to stay so it should accept its obligations, that does not have to mean active support for the PKK, but it does not mean standing by and letting ISIS commit a massacre
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,894

    Well if the polls do not revert to a LAB lead by end of the week I would agree this is seriously bad news for Ed is crap.

    I am already getting a little nervous re my entrenched position LAB most seats on Betfair cash out still at a reasonable profit starting to look attractive.

    Ed is crap is a massive drag on LAB in my view but it looks like LAB are stuck with him for GE2015

    Your nightly update service of seat projections seems to becoming a little less reliable.... am sure normal service will be resumed shortly. EICAMNBLOTOFL
    Tonights YG LAB 309 CON 295 LD 18 Fook knows if EICIPM
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Y0kel said:

    surbiton said:

    Y0kel said:

    On topic: Maybe its tipping point, maybe its not. Money at this point is not quite but the way Cameron has done his talking on stage compared to Miliband's student debating society stuff I suspect is critical here more than any specific initiatives or policy plans.

    If that is so then it will start to weigh even more closer to election time.

    FPT:

    The Turks have already sold out 10 times over when it comes to Syria. Lots of talk, no real action. They can either sell out again or change. Either is possible and neither would surprise. The Turkish airforce has been seen over the town and there is an ambulance run from the North end of the town into Turkey

    The Kurds if the West etc don't bother will turn to the Iranians.

    HYUFD. This is not heavy bombing, not by a long chalk. Take Kobani as I posted late last night when I said it and probably Ramadi in Iraq were likely to fall to IS in the coming days. There have been airstrikes around Kobani but they've been pitiful, in the handfuls (just two in the last 6-8+ hours).

    The US has B1 bombers, they've been seen in-theater, the opportunity to take out the Chechens leading the assault on the town by literally flattening the countryside was there. They didn't.

    Now that IS are in the streets bombing becomes extremely problematic.

    So you want the Turks could come in aid of the town which so clearly had aligned with the PKK. Maybe, the Turks would like to watch this one out !
    Where did I express any opinion of 'wanting' anything in my post?

    F**k sake learn to read and interpret.
    Some people are incapable of doing that @Y0kel. They never leave their hardened positions for anything, even after some hard thought.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894
    Ed's not "sealed the deal" has he? ;)
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    edited October 2014

    That October 2012 poll I'm using was conducted a few days after the Lab conference where Ed made his One nation speech.

    Those were the days, whatever happened to "One Nation"...it sunk faster than the Big Society and certainly no evidence that Ed is trying to sell his vision as one nation anymore, it is very much back to "us vs them" 35% stuff.
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    I'm not expecting any VI with this ICM poll, it is an online poll, not a phone poll. I'm expecting the usual ICM Guardian Phone poll next week
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Well if the polls do not revert to a LAB lead by end of the week I would agree this is seriously bad news for Ed is crap.

    I am already getting a little nervous re my entrenched position LAB most seats on Betfair cash out still at a reasonable profit starting to look attractive.

    Ed is crap is a massive drag on LAB in my view but it looks like LAB are stuck with him for GE2015

    Your nightly update service of seat projections seems to becoming a little less reliable.... am sure normal service will be resumed shortly. EICAMNBLOTOFL
    Tonights YG LAB 309 CON 295 LD 18 Fook knows if EICIPM
    Can we play the jaws music to the seat count ;-)

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    Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    HYUFD said:

    Yokel Surbiton Air strikes in Iraq seem to be having more effect, so we should let Syrian strikes follow suit, we should also supply the Kurds with more heavy weapons. Turkey is a Nato member, if it wishes to stay so it should accept its obligations, that does not have to mean active support for the PKK, but it does not mean standing by and letting ISIS commit a massacre

    The Turks have a stated position regarding its NATO-related position that if its own territory gets attacked then its Article 5 material. Outside that its its own choice and NATO counts for diddle.
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    surbiton said:

    Labour figures now depend on Greens - definitely a problem. The Green Liberals.

    Definitely a problem for the Tories. Green voters have historically proven to be very receptive to tactical voting arguments, the Ashcroft polls give them a very high score for "may vote differently", and so Labour can expect to outperform UNS in the marginals with a high Green score in the opinion polls.

    Of course, the future might be different from the past. The Ashcroft polls could be wrong. But it looks like Green voters are more likely to vote tactically for Labour than UKIP voters are to vote tactically for the Conservatives in Con-Lab marginals.

    As long as we have FPTP Labour will call on tactical voting to prop them up. The evidence from the European elections is that PR kills Labour, as they have little other than the tactical voting argument to persuade the voters with. But the Tories are too pig-headed to see it.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,131
    Tracey Emin staying Tory on newsnight now after Cameron introduced gay marriage, does not believe Labour would have introduced it
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    hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    GIN1138 said:

    It looks like something is happening...

    Yes, the ICM VI (when released) will be interesting too. I think what we're seeing is the strong fundamentals for Cameron's leadership, Cameron/Osborne economic team starting to feed through into the voting intention. Labour disunity will only help that, assuming the sniping at Miliband builds up a head of steam.

    The more people start to think about GE2015 seriously, the worse for Miliband it will get.

    Right, on that bombshell: I will bid you goodnight.
    And it will be an absolute disaster for the Conservative party if they win outright in 2015, not that I think its going to happen. There is still plenty that can go wrong even with the economy not turning down until 6 months after the election eg unpreparedness for a bone cold winter in January / February, NHS, some other scandal etc.

    My preferred outcome would be a Labour minority government, which would collapse around late 2016 / 2017 with the turn down in the economy from October next year, and then a Conservative / UKIP government to pick up the pieces after the collapse, which will involve a collapse of the euro and the EU as a consequence at some point.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894

    Well if the polls do not revert to a LAB lead by end of the week I would agree this is seriously bad news for Ed is crap.

    I am already getting a little nervous re my entrenched position LAB most seats on Betfair cash out still at a reasonable profit starting to look attractive.

    Ed is crap is a massive drag on LAB in my view but it looks like LAB are stuck with him for GE2015

    Your nightly update service of seat projections seems to becoming a little less reliable.... am sure normal service will be resumed shortly. EICAMNBLOTOFL
    Tonights YG LAB 309 CON 295 LD 18 Fook knows if EICIPM
    He probably would be, but only with a minority government and with another election pending in six months....
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894

    I'm not expecting any VI with this ICM poll, it is an online poll, not a phone poll. I'm expecting the usual ICM Guardian Phone poll next week

    x

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    saddosaddo Posts: 534


    Luke Akehurst @lukeakehurst

    Exasperated by Jonathan Powell comparing Northern Ireland/IRA to ISIS. Up there with Chamberlain thinking he could do business with Hitler.

    Considering Obama bin Laden's old mob couldn't negotiate poor old Alan Hemmings freedom with IS taking them out completely seems the only way. A bit like the Japanese in WW2 who would never surrender and the US solders ended up having to kill.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,894

    Well if the polls do not revert to a LAB lead by end of the week I would agree this is seriously bad news for Ed is crap.

    I am already getting a little nervous re my entrenched position LAB most seats on Betfair cash out still at a reasonable profit starting to look attractive.

    Ed is crap is a massive drag on LAB in my view but it looks like LAB are stuck with him for GE2015

    Your nightly update service of seat projections seems to becoming a little less reliable.... am sure normal service will be resumed shortly. EICAMNBLOTOFL
    Tonights YG LAB 309 CON 295 LD 18 Fook knows if EICIPM
    Can we play the jaws music to the seat count ;-)

    Todays Populus EICIPM
    Todays LA FK if EICIPM
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,563
    edited October 2014
    Every YouGov poll in October 2012 had Labour 41% or above.

    The average was 42.9%
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    hunchman said:

    GIN1138 said:

    It looks like something is happening...

    Yes, the ICM VI (when released) will be interesting too. I think what we're seeing is the strong fundamentals for Cameron's leadership, Cameron/Osborne economic team starting to feed through into the voting intention. Labour disunity will only help that, assuming the sniping at Miliband builds up a head of steam.

    The more people start to think about GE2015 seriously, the worse for Miliband it will get.

    Right, on that bombshell: I will bid you goodnight.
    And it will be an absolute disaster for the Conservative party if they win outright in 2015, not that I think its going to happen. There is still plenty that can go wrong even with the economy not turning down until 6 months after the election eg unpreparedness for a bone cold winter in January / February, NHS, some other scandal etc.

    My preferred outcome would be a Labour minority government, which would collapse around late 2016 / 2017 with the turn down in the economy from October next year, and then a Conservative / UKIP government to pick up the pieces after the collapse, which will involve a collapse of the euro and the EU as a consequence at some point.
    I might have missed it previously but why are you so convinced a major collapse in October? Not disputing it nut just curious
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    Plato said:

    Those are rather good - what album is that?

    Weller at his finest

    "The Butterfly Collector"

    So you finally got what you wanted
    You've achieved your aim by making the walking lame
    And when you just can't get any higher
    You use your senses to suss out this week's climber
    And the small fame that you've acquired
    Has brought you into cult status
    But to me you're still a collector

    There's tarts and whores but you're much more
    You're a different kind 'cause you want their minds
    And you just don't care 'cause you've got no pride
    It's just a face on your pillowcase
    That thrills you.............
    .

    It wasn't originally. It was the B-Side to 'Strange Town' but it is on this a compilation called 'That's Entertainment - The Collection' and probably on a fair few others

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thats-Entertainment-The-Collection-Jam/dp/B008PPFQTM/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1412633704&sr=8-8&keywords=the+jam
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Me too. Gleefully.

    Scott_P said:

    Danny565 said:

    There has clearly been a big, fundamental shift. I really hope the Labour leadership don't continue to bury their heads in the sand, ostrich-like.

    There was a voodoo poll on the same page of the telegraph as Dan Hodges latest "Ed is Crap" blog, asking who should lead Labour.

    When I last looked, "Ed is doing just fine thanks" had a healthy lead...
    That's what I voted for, albeit I want Yvette in place asap for financial reasons.
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,894
    As I have said before it doesn't make a scrap of difference to most of us who wins the election Dave hasn't proved himself to be a fascist and Ed doesn't seem to have any different ideas.

    I just wish the 'Conservatives' would change their name. How can any forward thinking person not feel queasy being governed by a party which calls itself 'conservative'
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Sophie Jamieson @sophiejam

    .@edballsmp says Ed Miliband forgot "the most important things" in his speech #theagenda

    Didn't balls see the speech two weeks in advance ?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Another item of Americana -

    I've mentioned on here before that baseball is in long term decline, with its audience declining and skewing older. They also are not that smart with their TV contracts.

    The playoffs are in full swing. They are on ESPN, TNT, Fox sports 1 and 2 and MLB Network. The last 3 are hard to find. ALL cable, not a single major network. Last night a game ran 6 hours 23 minutes! So far the Orioles and Royals are moving on. Both are small markets and baseball is increasingly regional.

    The NFL continues to dominate ratings at an ever increasing rate, and all games are on the major networks, other than Monday Night Football. After 30 years on ABC it went to ESPN, though games are available on network TV in the teams home markets.

    Even the Thursday night games on CBS, which have all been blowouts with an average victory margin of 28 points, get great ratings.

    I'm surprised by that. Baseball seems like a good spectator sport.

    (Cheerleaders are a great idea though. Well done American Football.)
    There are 162 regular season games for each team each year - half home, half on the road. Each game is fairly unimportant. Two things you will notice at a regular season baseball game - 1) it will usually be nowhere near a sellout, and 2) the crowd will be mostly sitting and chatting about anything else but baseball. NFL regular seasons are 16 games long. Every game matters.

    Also TV is a problem. All times eastern, The NFL plays Thursday evening at 8.30, 1 and 4pm and 8.30pm Sunday, and 8.30pm Monday. All on the same networks every week.

    Baseball plays on all sorts of obscure cable neworks, and times vary hugely. Last year a World Series game started at 11pm and went on for over 3 hours on a weekday. 2/3 of the US population lives in the eastern and central times zones - who can watch that then go to work?
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited October 2014

    Well if the polls do not revert to a LAB lead by end of the week I would agree this is seriously bad news for Ed is crap.

    I am already getting a little nervous re my entrenched position LAB most seats on Betfair cash out still at a reasonable profit starting to look attractive.

    Ed is crap is a massive drag on LAB in my view but it looks like LAB are stuck with him for GE2015

    Your nightly update service of seat projections seems to becoming a little less reliable.... am sure normal service will be resumed shortly. EICAMNBLOTOFL
    Tonights YG LAB 309 CON 295 LD 18 Fook knows if EICIPM
    In 2009 the year before the GE2010, with Yougov and ICM, the opposition (C) always had a lead on Labour. With Yougov 90%+ of the leads were double figures.

    After the Conservative party conference of October 2007, the Labour Govt never had a lead on the Conservatives with ICM.
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    Roger said:

    As I have said before it doesn't make a scrap of difference to most of us who wins the election Dave hasn't proved himself to be a fascist and Ed doesn't seem to have any different ideas.

    I just wish the 'Conservatives' would change their name. How can any forward thinking person not feel queasy being governed by a party which calls itself 'conservative'

    What we need is a decent ad man who can up with a new name for the Tories.

    So Roger, do you know any decent ad men? :-)
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    hunchman said:

    GIN1138 said:

    It looks like something is happening...

    Yes, the ICM VI (when released) will be interesting too. I think what we're seeing is the strong fundamentals for Cameron's leadership, Cameron/Osborne economic team starting to feed through into the voting intention. Labour disunity will only help that, assuming the sniping at Miliband builds up a head of steam.

    The more people start to think about GE2015 seriously, the worse for Miliband it will get.

    Right, on that bombshell: I will bid you goodnight.
    And it will be an absolute disaster for the Conservative party if they win outright in 2015,
    Lol yes much worse than losing..
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,052
    The coalition's approval ratings have improved markedly. I suspect that is why the polls are better. Cameron's speech obviously went down well, but how will people feel when they understand the true implications of it? The concerns of DavidL, a tory loyalist on here aboutt he future funding of the NHS (budget protected) under the Tories tells its own story.
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    Plato said:

    Those are rather good - what album is that?

    Weller at his finest

    "The Butterfly Collector"

    So you finally got what you wanted
    You've achieved your aim by making the walking lame
    And when you just can't get any higher
    You use your senses to suss out this week's climber
    And the small fame that you've acquired
    Has brought you into cult status
    But to me you're still a collector

    There's tarts and whores but you're much more
    You're a different kind 'cause you want their minds
    And you just don't care 'cause you've got no pride
    It's just a face on your pillowcase
    That thrills you.............
    .

    b side to "Strange Town"
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618

    I'm not expecting any VI with this ICM poll, it is an online poll, not a phone poll. I'm expecting the usual ICM Guardian Phone poll next week

    Booooooooooo. Would have been interesting.
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    MarkSpencerMP ✔ @MarkSpencerMP

    Any bets on me joining UKIP, please make your cheques payable to Sherwood Conservative Association

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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    I agree with Roger - except I quite like the word 'conservative'

    Where's my slippers...
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited October 2014

    The coalition's approval ratings have improved markedly. I suspect that is why the polls are better. Cameron's speech obviously went down well, but how will people feel when they understand the true implications of it? The concerns of DavidL, a tory loyalist on here aboutt he future funding of the NHS (budget protected) under the Tories tells its own story.

    What true implications ? Tax cuts ? I suspect they have worked out the implications of those hence the poll bounce.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,894
    I am off to bed scared to look at tomorrows BJESUS in case it doesnt show LAB maj for first time. Definitely on a knife edge will also be lowest LAB seats highest Tory seats since it began for sure. Final tinkering in morning before its posted.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894
    edited October 2014
    I really, really don't understand the Lib-Dems.

    They are using their final party conference to attack the party they are in government with, while at the same time not ruling out another government with the terrible, baby eating Tories.

    If the Tories are so dreadful why are they still in government with them long after the economic crisis has passed?

    The more they attack their coalition partners the more self serving they appear.

    Instead of everything being negative, why don't they sing the praise's for all they have achieved in government? They HAVE achieved many things but they seem to hate talking about these things or taking any credit for the wider coalition achievements.

    They spend 50 years hankering for a hung parliament/coalition and when they get it they give the appearance of hating every minute of it.

    "Differentiation" has been going on for years and has achieved absolutely nothing for the Lib's. Why don't they try actually sounding positive about their time in government instead?
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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    I'm on Scottish mean time so I've 30 mins slow (and that's just my swatch)

    But does Allegra not understand parliamentary democracy????
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Roger said:

    As I have said before it doesn't make a scrap of difference to most of us who wins the election Dave hasn't proved himself to be a fascist and Ed doesn't seem to have any different ideas.

    I just wish the 'Conservatives' would change their name. How can any forward thinking person not feel queasy being governed by a party which calls itself 'conservative'

    I'll agree with that.

    Over the years Labour have made a magnificent grab of the positive, progressive (both Labour and Conservative can be progressive) sensitive and emotional language. As a result they can talk with conviction, compassion and authenticity. Those properties allow them to ridicule the equally valid points made by Conservatives who are painted as talking without conviction, compassion and authenticity (the last two in particular).

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    JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited October 2014
    She might have been quoting the LDs or something.

    Not sure why I should be expected to have to pay attention to the Tv.
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    I mean... the MP for the last 9 years must think this is scandalous

    Tom Barton @tombarton
    Local GP rep Brian Barmer says there are 9 GP vacancies in #Clacton, equivalent of 18,000 not having a GP #BattleForClacton
    Retweeted by Douglas Carswell

    Well if Carswell chooses not to live in Clacton why the fox should GPs go there either? Clearly Carswell does not think it the best place for his family so why be surprised when GPs avoid the place?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,894


    Sophie Jamieson @sophiejam

    .@edballsmp says Ed Miliband forgot "the most important things" in his speech #theagenda

    Didn't balls see the speech two weeks in advance ?

    It was in the written version though he just forgot to say it
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Thanks. I keep tripping across great tracks that were used only as TV show OST or as B sides.

    It's really irritating. I ended up having to create my own mp3 for a load of them at 192kbps which is acceptable, but I'd rather 320 from the original masters.

    Plato said:

    Those are rather good - what album is that?

    Weller at his finest

    "The Butterfly Collector"

    So you finally got what you wanted
    You've achieved your aim by making the walking lame
    And when you just can't get any higher
    You use your senses to suss out this week's climber
    And the small fame that you've acquired
    Has brought you into cult status
    But to me you're still a collector

    There's tarts and whores but you're much more
    You're a different kind 'cause you want their minds
    And you just don't care 'cause you've got no pride
    It's just a face on your pillowcase
    That thrills you.............
    .

    It wasn't originally. It was the B-Side to 'Strange Town' but it is on this a compilation called 'That's Entertainment - The Collection' and probably on a fair few others

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thats-Entertainment-The-Collection-Jam/dp/B008PPFQTM/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1412633704&sr=8-8&keywords=the+jam
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    MaxPB said:

    I'm not expecting any VI with this ICM poll, it is an online poll, not a phone poll. I'm expecting the usual ICM Guardian Phone poll next week

    Booooooooooo. Would have been interesting.
    If we're lucky, we should get the Ipsos-Mori poll this week.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    He did. And clearly didn't offer any help!


    Sophie Jamieson @sophiejam

    .@edballsmp says Ed Miliband forgot "the most important things" in his speech #theagenda

    Didn't balls see the speech two weeks in advance ?

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    isamisam Posts: 40,988
    edited October 2014


    Sophie Jamieson @sophiejam

    .@edballsmp says Ed Miliband forgot "the most important things" in his speech #theagenda

    Didn't balls see the speech two weeks in advance ?

    Yeah he read it, but EdM forgot to say what was written down!
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