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Brilliant, but also tragic. That he might even come close to Prime Minister is shocking enough.
http://order-order.com/2014/09/24/burnhams-barnstorming-leadership-bid/
He may be annoying everyone with a strong interest in politics, but he isn't annoying the man in the street, it seems.
Not going to go away
That is far worse
I particularly liked the bit where he said about a software company: "But what stood out the most is that they all say the most important thing about this company is that it is based on using the talents of every single person." (*)
I'd love to know which company this is, because I've never known a software company where everyone agreed on anything. We're a contrary bunch of FOSSers, anarchists, hippies, by-the-book company men, naive undergraduates, bearded old-timers and patent-hungry scientists.
It's patently ridiculous that they would all say that, unprompted.
Either Miliband's lying, the questions were prompted, or he only hears what he wants to hear.
(*) This appears to be from the text of the speech, rather than the speech he gave.
Essentially that an English parliament with significant devolved power would become so much the focus of politics that it would drag in other powers either in terms of hard or soft power.
That an English parliament would become the main focus of politics in the country, and the UK parliament more like the Lords is now.
Quite amazing to think a month after the event there was still one poll showing the two parties neck and neck, and yet that single event finished the Conservatives for a generation. Look at what happened next in that link.
The meme is cast.
Miliband is useless and they won't win.
The picture is a bit contradictory. Labour seem to be doing OK in the polls, and yet the party is bricking itself about holding a seat i a by-election it should win at a canter if it has ambitions to govern.
'Raise your hospital flower vases to the next labour leader!'
However, since the chances of it ever happening are so remote, it is probably not worth worrying about.
He had the backing of the audience, and will be one of very few shadow cabinet members to have a good campaign.
Why the perhaps self indulgent speech above... Because I felt that I had fallen in the trap of being so angry about the extremists who foster race or religious hatred that I was taking up an equally indefensible position ethnicity, race, culture was entirely absent as a factor.. And wanted to get it off my chest!
On the English Parliament: not going to happen. Get used to it.
I expect Labour to get into power (and I've said that for a looong time). My dismay at the prospect was tempered by the expectation that the markets would pretty much enforce an Osborne-like financial regime.
I'm now genuinely horrified by the prospect of this muppet becoming PM. He's away with the fairies, and his shadow cabinet...oh dear. What's the collective noun for a bunch of mediocrities?
" What's the collective noun for a bunch of mediocrities? "
A "Cameron's cabinet"?
Wales/Scotland being more rural and poorer than England makes proportionally equal spending trickier than first glance.
1. Buy property, pay Stamp Duty.
2. Pay mortgage out of income you have paid tax on.
3. Pay Council Tax for local services.
4. Improve property, pay VAT on all items bought.
5. Hire builders, which pays income tax and NI on their work.
6. Move home, pay Stamp duty. Again.
7. Die and leave to children, pay IHT.
So all of this isn't enough for Labour? Now they want you to pay a rent to the government every single year for the privilege of living in your own home that you have already paid a lot of tax for?
Quite how this is going to attract new support to the Labour ranks from the devolved constituencies where these shiny new policies don't effect is slightly beyond me.
Or does it matter? Can Labour really expect to stand on a platform of saving the English NHS in Scotland/Wales?
It's like the YESNP here tweeting the mixed messages from Labour about the state of the NHS in England under the Tories (Terrible NHS sliding backwards) versus Vote NO to ensure continued Gold Standard NHS? People here falling for the deliberate spin/conflation of the 2 disparate entities and SNP support rises as a result - See they were lying after all!!!
In fact, it's the current handling of English issues by the UK parliament that causes nation-wide media to cover it so much, much to the chagrin of Scots. And that would be still the case under EV4EL. In fact, under EV4EL, UK governments supported by Scots could collapse because of disputes on English devolved policy. That is far more interference of England onto UK affairs than an English parliament.
@faisalislam: The Salford Royal hospital where ed Miliband did his interviews today is a Labour signed PFI that will not be paid off till 2042..
Listening to Burnham on R4 Today last night, he was dire when trying to give some detail about the tax. Shocking, but apparently it has all been thought through and definitely not in the back of a fag packet kind of way either, oh no.
"I know you are, you said you are, but what am I?" transposed to the internet.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11117335/Just-how-big-is-Britains-debt-mountain.html
Its scary stuff and the fact that Miliband forgot to/chose not to (take your pick on from this morning's rescue attempts) mention it it in his speech setting out his 10 year vision (or 50 year vision according to one poster here this morning) is quite astonishing.
I'd guess that the average self-employed tradesmen avoids more tax than the average banker through the "how much for cash?" tax avoidance scheme. Doesn't really fit in with the ongoing demonisation process, though, does it.
I was really replying to oxfordsimon - who believes the theory of evolution should overrule Christian belief. Very few people of any persuasion think the earth was created 6000 years ago, the comment was made only to devalue Christians. The theory of evolution led to staggering numbers of deaths in the last century, Christianity not so much.
If you want originality, you will have to pay for it.
Market forces and all that?
Our present government is lacking in imagination, and clear thinking and has instead fallen back into the insanity that caused the crash in the first place.
Many on here like to whine about "taxes" and extol the virtues of the "free market", the point you miss is that taxes are a way of trying to iron out the failures of the "market".
Is there a better way of doing it? Quite probably, but then you have to let go of the slavish devotion to Hayek/Thatcherism.
And how on earth did the scientific breakthrough that showed evolution was at the heart of the development of life on this planet lead to a "staggering number of deaths"?
You are clearly a fool and/or a troll.
Go on, please do enlighten us how The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection led to "staggering numbers of deaths in the last century"...
I think the word you're looking for is Eugenics, and that has feck-all to do with Darwinian evolution.
Why silence? To make more room for posts an tweets you find favour with?
Learn to put up with it child, there are only a very few leftwingers on this blog, and your constant arse burps make sure we become rarer.
It's worse when you look at what he's actually meant to have said: "But everyone at the company said the same thing; you need to use the talents of everyone."
Shows that you absolutely do not understand either.
But given your obvious ignorance, I fear it is too late for you to see the world as it really is.
"Political correctness" just seems too simplistic to explain why certain people chose not to investigate and prosecute those responsible unless it can be backed up with specifics that can lead to future prevention.. Perhaps one day someone who was in that position will honestly and fully describe what they did and didn't do and why..."
Apart from the usual odious and indefensible political correctness itself, it seems to me that this 'defence' will often be offered in two other circumstances.
One is where the authority in question is too idle and incompetent to act as it should.
The other is when the said authority is complicit and acting in cahoots with the perpetrators.
I expect both these factors were present in Rotherham and similar fiefdoms, as well of course as the customary knuckle-headed pc for its own sake.
"you need to use the talents of everyone"
The work of the best surgeon in the world will come to nothing without those below him.
Does he get the best out of them by looking down on them from a lofty pedestal?
This is the bit in the Dan Hodges piece that we need to pay attention to now:
But consider this. Imagine if it came to light that in another region of the country, organised gangs of white men had been systematically engaging in the rape and abuse of black children. The local white community knew about it, but shielded the crimes behind a wall of silence. Officers in the local authority were aware of it, but were told by their political masters to keep quiet about the racial element of the crime for fear of offending their local constituency. Police officers who attempted to investigate where specifically warned by their superiors to ignore any racial aspect to the offences.
There would be a national outcry. The racism inherent in those crimes would not be pushed to the margins, but to the forefront of our enraged response. There would be a full public inquiry, along the lines of Lawrence. And that reaction would be wholly appropriate.
We're now almost a month after the Rotherham revelations came out. I appreciate that Stephen Lawrence was murdered, but surely 1400 rape victims ranks similarly in magnitude, and needs a similar response?
That said, there does appear to have been a trend to the SNP and away from Lab post referendum - and if we are seeing a similar picture in a couple of weeks it may well be real. On the other hand, their positions could reverse, tomorrow.....
Nothing wrong with Tweeters, but as a self-selecting bunch they wouldn't necessarily make a great bunch of political scientists.
Pretty much you want to aggregate the sub-samples from at least a week's worth of polls before getting excited about any change, and possibly even longer. Would be interesting to keep track of, though.
What is relevant is the laughable idea that everyone in the company said the same thing. For instance, if asked I'd say making customers happy is just, if not more, important than using all the talents of every employee. For if customers are unhappy, it makes getting the vital next contract much harder.
Although it looks as though they are more web application and web design than 'proper' software.
(fx: ducks)
Miliband should have moved Burnham and put Liz Kendall in his place, one of the very few in the shadow cabinet who is knowledgeable and interesting to listen to. Whether he likes it or not Staffs will stain Burnham forever. Miliband may regret that decision.
Burnham is not the man to front a campaign on the NHS. The Tories only have to mention Flower Vases and the not to distant memories come easily back.
Darwin explains how. Faith explains why.
Two different questions, two different answers.
FPT: Mr. NorthWales, np.
Isn't it unusual for the Lib Dems to be last? I think conference season ran Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative.
It may be the most significant hand-shake in recent history,the one between Queen Elizabeth The Second and Martin McGuiness,one effect of which was to detoxify S/F and allow supporters to come out and publicly support a party of peace and reconciliation.S/F in government has shown increasing maturity.The dream of one Ireland is one step further.
The lesson of Greece was the rise of Syriza.Ireland has Syrisa+ in S/F and like the Yes campaign,has a lot of energetic young campaigners.
Have you looked at Shadsy's market on the UKIP vote share in Clacton? For once it looks to me as though he's priced it wrongly. I don't want to say in what way, because I'd be interested in an unprompted assessment.
The Lib Dem conference got bumped back by the referendum.
£28.57@5/2 40-50
£33.33@2/1 50-60
£22.22@7/2 60-70
For a combined 1/5 ukip winning but less than 70% of the vote... They are 1/50 in a place to win this
I'd say 60-70 is more likely than 40-50 so shouldn't be 7/2 as opposed to 5/2... If I had one bet it'd be that
You and Dan Hodges should get together, Socrates. You'd make a good team: two of the least accurate commentators of the current crop.
There is no question that can ever be answered by Faith.
You have to go back to FDR for the last time the Dems had 3-in-a-row (and then to well before Lincoln for another example).
There was no more disastrous conference than the Conservatives' in 2003, yet Yougov bizarrely put them 5% ahead in a poll taken straight afterwards.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11117335/Just-how-big-is-Britains-debt-mountain.html
The budget 2014 estimate for 2014-15 was £53bn on debt interest payments. The government's income from council tax and business rates combined is £54bn, so pretty much those two taxes are required to fund our debt interest payments.
Will go down like a lead-balloon in West Virginia.
Remember how much Labour loved Keynes due to his support for maximum borrowing and spending in a downturn/recession? If memory serves, he advocated minimal spending and running a surplus in a growing economy. Suddenly, Labour don't love him anymore.
Labour has abandoned Keynesianism, not unlike its pledge for a free owl.
Not sure Warren would beat Clinton anyway. I think the 2/1 on Hillary as nominee is about right.
Compare and contrast with the state command and control economy. The main reason for using Trussell Trust foodbanks is because the state failed to follow their own rules with the benefits system.
Tell that to continuity Brown George Osborne. Any tax cuts now will look like what they are. Not much more than a cheap and temporary bribe.
..The SNP are now favourites to win Argyll & Bute, a seat in which they actually came fourth last time. We also now make them favourites to turn over Danny Alexander’s sizeable majority in Inverness. He could be the highest profile cabinet casualty in 2015.'
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