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politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » It’s hard to see anyone other than Nicola Sturgeon winning the SNP leadership

After Alex Salmond’s not unexpected departure this afternoon following the YES defeat in the referendum the bookies have installed his depity, Nicola Sturgeon, as odds on favourite. Looking down the list of possibles from the bookies it is hard to see any alternative. But who knows?

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  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    She reminds me a bit of Rab C Nesbitt's wife.

    http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/12300000/Screencaps-rab-c-nesbitt-12361996-449-360.jpg
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    No - she looks like Jeanette Crankie - https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=janette+krankie&biw=825&bih=579&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=OIgcVJWhFKaBywOIgIKwDw&sqi=2&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=VjuTy-fMgpGhrM%3A;4G8e-nHpjl4AIM;http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-W09v_9-xIPw%2FUCQRefTCWSI%2FAAAAAAAAAKg%2F_JGAuWxjFjA%2Fs1600%2Fjaneete.jpg;http%3A%2F%2Ffadcreative.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F08%2Ftan-dabby-doesy.html;235;202
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    There's noone else and she's clearly going to go for it. Even 1/3 is value if not exactly exciting.
  • megalomaniacs4umegalomaniacs4u Posts: 326
    Cyclefree said:

    No - she looks like Jeanette Crankie

    Its that hair- what it is with female politcos who either have really bad hair that look like a wig or are they just bad wigs?
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    CopperSulphate said:

    She reminds me a bit of Rab C Nesbitt's wife.

    http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/12300000/Screencaps-rab-c-nesbitt-12361996-449-360.jpg

    but without the wit and charm.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Neil said:

    There's noone else and she's clearly going to go for it. Even 1/3 is value if not exactly exciting.

    Agreed. I am really tempted. This is a good return for a bet that is likely to be resolved pretty quickly.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    She's more impressive than the vast majority of UK politicians of her generation.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,592
    Neil said:

    There's noone else and she's clearly going to go for it. Even 1/3 is value if not exactly exciting.

    Especially since she delivered Glasgow for the "Yes" side when the more traditional SNP areas had massive "No" votes.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    That will be another UK political party with a female leader before the Labour Party. Tories, Greens, Plaid Cymru, SNP....

    That said, Sturgeon has just spent the referendum campaign spouting exactly the same old bollocks for which Salmond has just walked the plank. She is hardly the fresh face of reasoned argument.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Neil said:

    There's noone else and she's clearly going to go for it. Even 1/3 is value if not exactly exciting.

    Neil said:

    There's noone else and she's clearly going to go for it. Even 1/3 is value if not exactly exciting.

    Agree, there really isn't any other name that leaps out from the SNP ranks - from what I've seen of her over the past few weeks, she's a tough old bird that could easily pick up the reins following Salmond's departure.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    The person who impressed me overnight was Jim Murphy . He's very sharp and a much better communicator than anybody LAB figure
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    No_Offence_Alan said:

    Neil said:

    There's noone else and she's clearly going to go for it. Even 1/3 is value if not exactly exciting.

    Especially since she delivered Glasgow for the "Yes" side when the more traditional SNP areas had massive "No" votes.
    I dont think she "delivered" Glasgow particularly. The campaign she was part of won there. Glasgow also had a demographic more likely to go 'yes' than even traditional SNP areas.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    dr_spyn said:



    CopperSulphate said:

    She reminds me a bit of Rab C Nesbitt's wife.

    http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/12300000/Screencaps-rab-c-nesbitt-12361996-449-360.jpg

    but without the wit and charm.
    After all the media monstering of the last couple of years, you might be forgiven for thinking that. She is, actually, the most publicly popular/trusted/rated politician in Scotland by a long streak - certainly of consistency. The data may argue on which of Messrs Cameron and Miliband are the less popular at the moment, but usually Ms Sturgeon is on top of the table. She has also been reportedly working very hard in the burghs and village halls during indyref, and has become very familiar to many folk. You shouldn't underrate her quite yet.

    In any case, Mary Doll is already in the Yes campaign, but outwith the SNP: as her alter ego Elaine C. Smith.

    More generally I don't think the Scots expect their politicians to be machine-buffed, spray-varnished and silicone-polished within a centimetre of their lives. They're rather realistic in that.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SkyNews: DAILY MAIL FRONT PAGE: Now home rule for England. #skypapers http://t.co/Amv1Een5LV

    And Ed seems determined to go into the election explicitly opposing this

    He was last seen searching for the phone number of a dockside hooker so he could ask advice about what to expect next...
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    I loved this bit,

    " The way the Tories are trying to adjust the offer already by linking change to the way Scottish MPs can operate is an indication that a deal is not done and dusted."

    OGH, the world turned last night. All those people saying the status quo has gone actually mean it. The Lib Dems can carry on holding to the platitudes of 15 years ago, but they might find their support shrnking below the, about, 9% they have today.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    MikeSmithson said:

    The person who impressed me overnight was Jim Murphy . He's very sharp and a much better communicator than anybody LAB figure

    If his performance on Any Questions last week is typical, then Labour needs to use him seriously
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Carnyx said:


    In any case, Mary Doll is already in the Yes campaign, but outwith the SNP: as her alter ego Elaine C. Smith.

    I saw Mary Doll in one of the debates. (she used to be my teacher!)

    She was full of the soaring separatist rhetoric, but cam completely unglued when asked an actual question about the hard reality of separation. Not a silver bullet for the Yessers
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,903
    @Tapestry, FPT

    Recorded history certainly didn't start at 400bc. About 8000bc.

    I don't see that your argument holds water at all, but I will happily join you in your frustration as to the burning of the great library.





  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,890
    Petition 1 now at 60,503 supporters.

    So 40k -> 50lk took 2 hrs.
    50k -> 60k took 5:30 to 9:00 = 3.5 hrs.

    Reaching Peak Lemming. Reaching Peak Lemming.

    https://www.change.org/p/alex-salmond-we-the-undersigned-demand-a-revote-of-the-scottish-referendum-counted-by-impartial-international-parties
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    "The person who impressed me overnight was Jim Murphy."

    Agreed. Just look at what he has done in Renfrewshire East -- formerly the safest Tory seat in Scotland. He has turned into a his fortress.

    If Labour had any sense, they'd dispose of the useless carcass of Miliband & replace him with Murphy.

    Luckily for the Tories, Labour have no sense and seem content to preserve with a serious disaster in charge.
  • AllyMAllyM Posts: 260
    MikeSmithson said:

    The person who impressed me overnight was Jim Murphy . He's very sharp and a much better communicator than anybody LAB figure

    I was also impressed with Murphy. Switched on and I felt he showed allot of steel (egg incident aside) throught the majority of the campaign.

    Dare say Labour would fair better with him than, Ms. Lamont.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    This doesn't look good. Clashes in central Glasgow.

    Stand-off between pro-UK and independence supporters in Glasgow's George Square http://bit.ly/1p4hq8E
  • AllyMAllyM Posts: 260
    Neil said:

    No_Offence_Alan said:

    Neil said:

    There's noone else and she's clearly going to go for it. Even 1/3 is value if not exactly exciting.

    Especially since she delivered Glasgow for the "Yes" side when the more traditional SNP areas had massive "No" votes.
    I dont think she "delivered" Glasgow particularly. The campaign she was part of won there. Glasgow also had a demographic more likely to go 'yes' than even traditional SNP areas.

    Aye, inclined to agree. Not sure what value she truly added to the Glasgow Yes vote. The demographics were there - the less well off and students (students seemed to love the Yes campaign).
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    MattW said:

    Petition 1 now at 60,503 supporters.

    So 40k -> 50lk took 2 hrs.
    50k -> 60k took 5:30 to 9:00 = 3.5 hrs.

    Reaching Peak Lemming. Reaching Peak Lemming.

    https://www.change.org/p/alex-salmond-we-the-undersigned-demand-a-revote-of-the-scottish-referendum-counted-by-impartial-international-parties

    The scandal is that these people were given a vote in the first place. Tap's visitor figures will be soaring.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Toms said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    The person who impressed me overnight was Jim Murphy . He's very sharp and a much better communicator than anybody LAB figure

    If his performance on Any Questions last week is typical, then Labour needs to use him seriously
    Wouldn't disagree. But what answer does he have when someone says "We are talking about England here, what has that got to do with you?"
  • AllyMAllyM Posts: 260
    MikeSmithson said:

    This doesn't look good. Clashes in central Glasgow.

    Stand-off between pro-UK and independence supporters in Glasgow's George Square http://bit.ly/1p4hq8E

    Aye, sad to see. I hate to say it but with the consistent occupation of George Square, I always felt it would overflow with riots in due course.

    After the vote was done, it should've been time to leave he Square alone. Alas, not. The idiots are in.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    HurstLlama said:

    Toms said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    The person who impressed me overnight was Jim Murphy . He's very sharp and a much better communicator than anybody LAB figure

    If his performance on Any Questions last week is typical, then Labour needs to use him seriously
    Wouldn't disagree. But what answer does he have when someone says "We are talking about England here, what has that got to do with you?"
    It's sad isn't it?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,690
    MikeSmithson said:

    This doesn't look good. Clashes in central Glasgow.

    Stand-off between pro-UK and independence supporters in Glasgow's George Square http://bit.ly/1p4hq8E

    Looks like the usual sectarianism to me - pump-primed by the referendum result.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    "We are talking about England here, what has that got to do with you?""

    I am afraid no-one put a serious headbanger would ask that question.

    I'd vote for the most talented and able politician to run the country, whether Scottish, English or Welsh. As would most people.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    MikeSmithson said:

    The person who impressed me overnight was Jim Murphy . He's very sharp and a much better communicator than anybody LAB figure

    Agreed. One of the consequences of devo max is that Scottish back benchers are going to seriously underemployed and with minimal chances of advancement as they will not have a vote on so many of the departments making their appointment problematic.

    In short it is going to be a pretty dull job and the balance of interest may change in favour of Holyrood where Labour backbenchers in particular may well have a chance of running things. We may well get a situation where the Labour A team in Scotland gets more interested in Holyrood and less in Westminster. It is another small step towards division of course because if the better candidates get positions in Scotland they are going to be increasingly indifferent about what their colleagues south of the border think.

    For whatever reason Jim Murphy seems seriously undervalued by Ed. He would be an excellent leader in the Scottish Parliament and would give Sturgeon a run for her money.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    HurstLlama said:


    Wouldn't disagree. But what answer does he have when someone says "We are talking about England here, what has that got to do with you?"

    Yup. Like Wee Dougie, he is a Scottish MP for a Scottish constituency.

    He needs to STFU.
  • AllyMAllyM Posts: 260
    MattW said:

    Petition 1 now at 60,503 supporters.

    So 40k -> 50lk took 2 hrs.
    50k -> 60k took 5:30 to 9:00 = 3.5 hrs.

    Reaching Peak Lemming. Reaching Peak Lemming.

    https://www.change.org/p/alex-salmond-we-the-undersigned-demand-a-revote-of-the-scottish-referendum-counted-by-impartial-international-parties

    This is cyber-idiocy of the highest calibre. The vote is the vote. It's done.

    Whatever happened to the lame one liner so many were sprouting; "It's been a carnival of democracy".
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    AllyM said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    This doesn't look good. Clashes in central Glasgow.

    Stand-off between pro-UK and independence supporters in Glasgow's George Square http://bit.ly/1p4hq8E

    Aye, sad to see. I hate to say it but with the consistent occupation of George Square, I always felt it would overflow with riots in due course.

    After the vote was done, it should've been time to leave he Square alone. Alas, not. The idiots are in.
    Seems to be a Loyalist [sic] rally. Nothing too serious, especially by footy standards, and dispersed now.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29287409
    http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/292808-loyalist-demonstrators-gather-in-glasgows-george-square-for-rally/
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/stand-off-between-pro-uk-and-independence-supporters-in-glasgows-george-square.1411150997
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/video-crowds-gather-in-glasgow-s-george-square-1-3546386
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    edited September 2014
    YBarddCwsc said:

    "We are talking about England here, what has that got to do with you?""

    I am afraid no-one put a serious headbanger would ask that question.

    I'd vote for the most talented and able politician to run the country, whether Scottish, English or Welsh. As would most people.

    How do I get that vote? I have never been given the choice of who I want to run the country? All I have ever been given a vote on, in Parliamentary terms, is who I want to be my MP.

    Now do tell me about this headbanger problem you have.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @DavidRoe92: If Labour don't have an answer to WLQ by May and Tories do, there will be serious problems for Ed.

    @DPJHodges: Labour need to realise, it's not about the detail. Cameron has positioned him on the side of England. Ed hasn't.

    @iainmartin1: .@JananGanesh Not often astonished. But Labour position on England is obviously a) untenable b) self-destructive. Why can't they see it?
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    Poor old MalcolmG - first the referendum defeat and now just when there is room at the top for him to take the mantle from exEck and become the new face of the SNP, he's gone on holiday!

    Howse your luck!
  • AllyMAllyM Posts: 260
    Carnyx said:

    AllyM said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    This doesn't look good. Clashes in central Glasgow.

    Stand-off between pro-UK and independence supporters in Glasgow's George Square http://bit.ly/1p4hq8E

    Aye, sad to see. I hate to say it but with the consistent occupation of George Square, I always felt it would overflow with riots in due course.

    After the vote was done, it should've been time to leave he Square alone. Alas, not. The idiots are in.
    Seems to be a Loyalist [sic] rally. Nothing too serious, especially by footy standards, and dispersed now.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29287409
    http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/292808-loyalist-demonstrators-gather-in-glasgows-george-square-for-rally/
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/stand-off-between-pro-uk-and-independence-supporters-in-glasgows-george-square.1411150997
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/video-crowds-gather-in-glasgow-s-george-square-1-3546386
    If they've been flicked away, good stuff.

    Didn't see much violence, more the image of The two sections facing each other.

    As I say, I felt it was only a matter of time before a loyalist type group appeared in George Square. As long as people were there to confront, it had more chance of happening.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,452
    MikeSmithson said:

    The person who impressed me overnight was Jim Murphy . He's very sharp and a much better communicator than anybody LAB figure

    Murphy was very impressive after the Clutha Bar helicopter crash. It's rare to catch MPs in such a personal, unprompted moment. And his skills were why some indy supporters on here and out in the real world were so keen to attack him.

    I don't agree with all his politics, but that one incident showed a side of him that it is rare to see in a politician, perhaps because they are rarely put in such situations.

    Perhaps they are real people after all.

    Except Ed, of course ... ;-)
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Hello Scotland. You still here?

    No, no I'm not surprised but some people were swearing blind you were leaving, they were shouting the odds plenty.

    Yeah, I know. Shouty people count for sh1t.

    Anyway, good to see you are still about. Really good.



  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,690
    @R_J_Parker: This is what it looks like when you plot life expectancy next to %#Yes vote in the #indyref by local authority pic.twitter.com/zdAbPe8r38
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    AllyM said:

    Carnyx said:

    AllyM said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    This doesn't look good. Clashes in central Glasgow.

    Stand-off between pro-UK and independence supporters in Glasgow's George Square http://bit.ly/1p4hq8E

    Aye, sad to see. I hate to say it but with the consistent occupation of George Square, I always felt it would overflow with riots in due course.

    After the vote was done, it should've been time to leave he Square alone. Alas, not. The idiots are in.
    Seems to be a Loyalist [sic] rally. Nothing too serious, especially by footy standards, and dispersed now.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29287409
    http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/292808-loyalist-demonstrators-gather-in-glasgows-george-square-for-rally/
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/stand-off-between-pro-uk-and-independence-supporters-in-glasgows-george-square.1411150997
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/video-crowds-gather-in-glasgow-s-george-square-1-3546386
    If they've been flicked away, good stuff.

    Didn't see much violence, more the image of The two sections facing each other.

    As I say, I felt it was only a matter of time before a loyalist type group appeared in George Square. As long as people were there to confront, it had more chance of happening.
    Some photos and video here - some at least from the C4 reporter Alex Thomson.

    https://twitter.com/WingsScotland
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Sturgeon will be the SNP's David Moyes.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Sturgeon was very young when she threw her hat into the leadership ring last time. She's probably better off taking the job now than then.
  • AllyMAllyM Posts: 260
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    Sturgeon will be the SNP's David Moyes.

    Ha. Brilliant! Love it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Won't there be something fishy if Sturgeon succeeds Salmond?
  • AllyMAllyM Posts: 260
    Carnyx said:

    AllyM said:

    Carnyx said:

    AllyM said:

    MikeSmithson said:

    This doesn't look good. Clashes in central Glasgow.

    Stand-off between pro-UK and independence supporters in Glasgow's George Square http://bit.ly/1p4hq8E

    Aye, sad to see. I hate to say it but with the consistent occupation of George Square, I always felt it would overflow with riots in due course.

    After the vote was done, it should've been time to leave he Square alone. Alas, not. The idiots are in.
    Seems to be a Loyalist [sic] rally. Nothing too serious, especially by footy standards, and dispersed now.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29287409
    http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/292808-loyalist-demonstrators-gather-in-glasgows-george-square-for-rally/
    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/stand-off-between-pro-uk-and-independence-supporters-in-glasgows-george-square.1411150997
    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/video-crowds-gather-in-glasgow-s-george-square-1-3546386
    If they've been flicked away, good stuff.

    Didn't see much violence, more the image of The two sections facing each other.

    As I say, I felt it was only a matter of time before a loyalist type group appeared in George Square. As long as people were there to confront, it had more chance of happening.
    Some photos and video here - some at least from the C4 reporter Alex Thomson.

    https://twitter.com/WingsScotland
    I'd seen bits on Twitter. The whole thing now is starting to drain; people need to feel pleased/feel hurt in less public space.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,336
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Won't there be something fishy if Sturgeon succeeds Salmond?

    You're trawling again! Desist!

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Something to cause laughter and a knashing of teeth.

    Once upon a time a job got done in good time....... pic.twitter.com/pe7RjZc4wL

    — HAPPYMEM0R1ES (@HAPPYMEM0R1ES) September 19, 2014
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Won't there be something fishy if Sturgeon succeeds Salmond?

    Are you laying a loaded hook, TSE?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    As mentioned on here yesterday.

    Front page of the Mirror has the bookies reporting Judy Murray is receiving a backlash in the Strictly betting markets after Andy's intervention.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Carnyx said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Won't there be something fishy if Sturgeon succeeds Salmond?

    You're trawling again! Desist!

    You can tune a guitar, but you can't tuna fish. Unless of course, you play bass.
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    I watched the beeb coverage last night.

    The penny dropped for me when the Welsh am said that Wales wants whatever Scotland gets.

    Then I realized what a big deal this is.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MikeK said:


    Are you laying a loaded hook, TSE?

    It's more like an otterboard
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @alextomo: Police Scotland describe what happened in c Glasgow tonight as "handbags" - I'd say that's pretty accurate
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Carnyx said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Won't there be something fishy if Sturgeon succeeds Salmond?

    You're trawling again! Desist!

    You can tune a guitar, but you can't tuna fish. Unless of course, you play bass.
    Are you doing fish jokes on porpoise?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,690
    How much of the vote in Glasgow (either way) was driven by sectarianism and football club allegiance?

    Neither side looks like they've engaged their minds much there. I wouldn't feel comfortable flying my Union Jack with that lot, and obviously wouldn't want to be with the warpaint alcohol fuelled team Saltire lot either.

    I'd probably leave for Edinburgh, sharpish.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Tim_B said:

    I watched the beeb coverage last night.

    The penny dropped for me when the Welsh am said that Wales wants whatever Scotland gets.

    Then I realized what a big deal this is.

    Hey Tim B

    Your boys won a game!!!

    That a huge deal...
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Nicola Sturgeon was put in charge of SNP Government Independence campaign after being reshuffled from Scottish Health brief just as the cracks started to appear. Sturgeon owns this Independence campaign and result just as much as Salmond does, it would be like replacing Blair with Brown with the same end result. Sturgeon will appeal to the core SNP vote, but she will repel the very Scots that the SNP have persuaded to tactically vote for them in the previous two Holyrood elections.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Scott_P said:

    @alextomo: Police Scotland describe what happened in c Glasgow tonight as "handbags" - I'd say that's pretty accurate

    I wasn't aware that was an approved term in police vocabulary. Good to know
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    fitalass said:

    Nicola Sturgeon was put in charge of SNP Government Independence campaign after being reshuffled from Scottish Health brief just as the cracks started to appear. Sturgeon owns this Independence campaign and result just as much as Salmond does, it would be like replacing Blair with Brown with the same end result. Sturgeon will appeal to the core SNP vote, but she will repel the very Scots that the SNP have persuaded to tactically vote for them in the previous two Holyrood elections.

    What does the SNP do now? Their central raison d'etre has been rejected.
  • GarethofthevaleGarethofthevale Posts: 503
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    As mentioned on here yesterday.

    Front page of the Mirror has the bookies reporting Judy Murray is receiving a backlash in the Strictly betting markets after Andy's intervention.

    I can't believe that Mirror front page. Surely something more important than Strictly happened today....
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Scott_P said:

    Tim_B said:

    I watched the beeb coverage last night.

    The penny dropped for me when the Welsh am said that Wales wants whatever Scotland gets.

    Then I realized what a big deal this is.

    Hey Tim B

    Your boys won a game!!!

    That a huge deal...
    Unfortunately when talking about the NFL, for the last 2 weeks it's been off-field issues. Roger Goodell is not doing well earning his $44 million salary.
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    YBarddCwsc said:

    "We are talking about England here, what has that got to do with you?""

    I am afraid no-one put a serious headbanger would ask that question.

    I'd vote for the most talented and able politician to run the country, whether Scottish, English or Welsh. As would most people.

    It probably shouldn't matter but I think it does. A lot of the English are fed up with the Scots running things whilst giving Scotland more money than England.

    It's similar to the way it shouldn't matter what school you went to, but it does.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Paging Shadsy...

    @AndrewCooper__: Has anyone asked Alex Salmond whether he rules out returning to Westminster at the general election?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    Tim_B said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Carnyx said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Won't there be something fishy if Sturgeon succeeds Salmond?

    You're trawling again! Desist!

    You can tune a guitar, but you can't tuna fish. Unless of course, you play bass.
    Are you doing fish jokes on porpoise?
    This is not the plaice....

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Tim_B said:

    fitalass said:

    Nicola Sturgeon was put in charge of SNP Government Independence campaign after being reshuffled from Scottish Health brief just as the cracks started to appear. Sturgeon owns this Independence campaign and result just as much as Salmond does, it would be like replacing Blair with Brown with the same end result. Sturgeon will appeal to the core SNP vote, but she will repel the very Scots that the SNP have persuaded to tactically vote for them in the previous two Holyrood elections.

    What does the SNP do now? Their central raison d'etre has been rejected.
    It took them many decades to get the first referendum. A second one may come along much sooner than that.

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    MarqueeMark said:

    Tim_B said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Carnyx said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Won't there be something fishy if Sturgeon succeeds Salmond?

    You're trawling again! Desist!

    You can tune a guitar, but you can't tuna fish. Unless of course, you play bass.
    Are you doing fish jokes on porpoise?
    This is not the plaice....

    Could I have that in whiting?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    'd vote for the most talented and able politician to run the country, whether Scottish, English or Welsh. As would most people.

    Why stop at that? why don;t we invite a few Irish republic MPs to deliberate on English affairs. They live reasonably close to England, and their decisions won't affect their constituents....just like the Scots!!!!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    taffys said:

    'd vote for the most talented and able politician to run the country, whether Scottish, English or Welsh. As would most people.

    Why stop at that? why don;t we invite a few Irish republic MPs to deliberate on English affairs. They live reasonably close to England, and their decisions won't affect their constituents....just like the Scots!!!!

    Howabout someone from Luxembourg? I know just the man...
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    CopperSulphate said:

    She reminds me a bit of Rab C Nesbitt's wife.

    http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/12300000/Screencaps-rab-c-nesbitt-12361996-449-360.jpg

    More importanly she is a rampant lefty (former?) member of CND and a lawyer used to arguing a wrongheaded case.
    I note that in a case of labour-like political incest she is married to the current SNP chief execuitive. The SNP has been a nice little earner all round. I suppose I should be ashamed to be so cynical - but if Sturgeon is the answer to Scotland's problems (like Health, where she is a former Secretary) then somebody is asking the wrong question.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    DavidL said:

    Neil said:

    There's noone else and she's clearly going to go for it. Even 1/3 is value if not exactly exciting.

    Agreed. I am really tempted. This is a good return for a bet that is likely to be resolved pretty quickly.
    Like the new avatar - and appreciate all your efforts over the past weeks and months
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @PatronisingBT: Stay safe tonight friends. Walk away from anger. http://t.co/OcUoJ3P4Bc
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Neil said:

    Tim_B said:

    fitalass said:

    Nicola Sturgeon was put in charge of SNP Government Independence campaign after being reshuffled from Scottish Health brief just as the cracks started to appear. Sturgeon owns this Independence campaign and result just as much as Salmond does, it would be like replacing Blair with Brown with the same end result. Sturgeon will appeal to the core SNP vote, but she will repel the very Scots that the SNP have persuaded to tactically vote for them in the previous two Holyrood elections.

    What does the SNP do now? Their central raison d'etre has been rejected.
    It took them many decades to get the first referendum. A second one may come along much sooner than that.

    So like the EU they keep holding referenda until they get the answer they want?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Flightpath said:

    CopperSulphate said:

    She reminds me a bit of Rab C Nesbitt's wife.

    http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/12300000/Screencaps-rab-c-nesbitt-12361996-449-360.jpg

    More importanly she is a rampant lefty (former?) member of CND and a lawyer used to arguing a wrongheaded case.
    I note that in a case of labour-like political incest she is married to the current SNP chief execuitive. The SNP has been a nice little earner all round. I suppose I should be ashamed to be so cynical - but if Sturgeon is the answer to Scotland's problems (like Health, where she is a former Secretary) then somebody is asking the wrong question.
    Shall we put you down as a maybe?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
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  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Tim_B said:

    Neil said:

    Tim_B said:

    fitalass said:

    Nicola Sturgeon was put in charge of SNP Government Independence campaign after being reshuffled from Scottish Health brief just as the cracks started to appear. Sturgeon owns this Independence campaign and result just as much as Salmond does, it would be like replacing Blair with Brown with the same end result. Sturgeon will appeal to the core SNP vote, but she will repel the very Scots that the SNP have persuaded to tactically vote for them in the previous two Holyrood elections.

    What does the SNP do now? Their central raison d'etre has been rejected.
    It took them many decades to get the first referendum. A second one may come along much sooner than that.

    So like the EU they keep holding referenda until they get the answer they want?
    And they only have to get lucky once.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Is Ed Miliband going to force through devolution to the English regions on the back of Scots and Welsh votes?
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    CuSO4,

    I think Jim Murphy is a very appealing politician (& I am not a Labour stalwart)

    If he was leading Labour, I think they would win the next election very convincingly. He has known poverty, and he appeals to working class and middle class voters. I think what he has done to the former Eastwood seat -- formerly the strongest Tory seat in Scotland -- is very impressive. There was another 4 per cent swing to him even in 2010.

    In terms of electoral appeal, I think Murphy could rank with early Blair. Perhaps not quite as boyishly handsome, but very appealing.

    But still, if Labour want to persevere with Miliband, that is their affair. Ed is clearly a dud, a truly dreadful mistake. It is a piece of enormous good fortune for the Tories.

    I don't think most people in England or Wales, if confronted with a capable and personable Scottish MP, would say he can't be Prime Minister because he is from Scotland.

    That is such a tiny minority view in the real world that it is never expressed.

    However, it is view often expressed on pb, but I think the demographic of this site is, shall we say, rather unusual.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,452
    Socrates said:

    Is Ed Miliband going to force through devolution to the English regions on the back of Scots and Welsh votes?

    I'm not sure he's put that much thought into his position.

    As usual.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    They can't call for another within five years at a bare minimum

    Of course they can. This one was tainted by fraud, havent you read the petition?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    YBarddCwsc said:


    I think Jim Murphy is a very appealing politician (& I am not a Labour stalwart)

    If he was leading Labour, I think they would win the next election very convincingly. He has known poverty, and he appeals to working class and middle class voters. I think what he has done to the former Eastwood seat -- formerly the strongest Tory seat in Scotland -- is very impressive. There was another 4 per cent swing to him even in 2010.

    In terms of electoral appeal, I think Murphy could rank with early Blair. Perhaps not quite as boyishly handsome, but very appealing.

    I agree with all of that, but he's Scottish, which in the aftermath of Eck's giant Cluster**** will be forever an insuperable handicap to high office in the rUK.
  • CopperSulphateCopperSulphate Posts: 1,119
    YBarddCwsc said:

    CuSO4,

    I think Jim Murphy is a very appealing politician (& I am not a Labour stalwart)

    If he was leading Labour, I think they would win the next election very convincingly. He has known poverty, and he appeals to working class and middle class voters. I think what he has done to the former Eastwood seat -- formerly the strongest Tory seat in Scotland -- is very impressive. There was another 4 per cent swing to him even in 2010.

    In terms of electoral appeal, I think Murphy could rank with early Blair. Perhaps not quite as boyishly handsome, but very appealing.

    But still, if Labour want to persevere with Miliband, that is their affair. Ed is clearly a dud, a truly dreadful mistake. It is a piece of enormous good fortune for the Tories.

    I don't think most people in England or Wales, if confronted with a capable and personable Scottish MP, would say he can't be Prime Minister because he is from Scotland.

    That is such a tiny minority view in the real world that it is never expressed.

    However, it is view often expressed on pb, but I think the demographic of this site is, shall we say, rather unusual.

    I don't think it would stop anyone from becoming Prime Minister if they are good enough, but it might be an added hurdle especially with the uneven constitutional arrangement we have at the moment and the extra money Scotland gets per head. Would the English trust a Scot to sort out the changes to EV4EL and the Barnett formula we look like we're going to get?

    Surprised you think Jim Murphy is handsome though, he reminds me of Will Self to look at.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    "Can anyone tell me what happened to the PQ after their first referendum defeat?"

    They won the next Quebec provincial election (the PQ call it the Quebec national election).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited September 2014
    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    They can't call for another within five years at a bare minimum

    Of course they can. This one was tainted by fraud, havent you read the petition?
    True that. #NeverGiveUp

    Also, I heard the BBC were spotted 'reporting' on the campaigns, almost like they were stalking them, looking for an opportunity to fulfill their underhanded mission, which I find highly suspicious.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Scott_P said:

    YBarddCwsc said:


    I think Jim Murphy is a very appealing politician (& I am not a Labour stalwart)

    If he was leading Labour, I think they would win the next election very convincingly. He has known poverty, and he appeals to working class and middle class voters. I think what he has done to the former Eastwood seat -- formerly the strongest Tory seat in Scotland -- is very impressive. There was another 4 per cent swing to him even in 2010.

    In terms of electoral appeal, I think Murphy could rank with early Blair. Perhaps not quite as boyishly handsome, but very appealing.

    I agree with all of that, but he's Scottish, which in the aftermath of Eck's giant Cluster**** will be forever an insuperable handicap to high office in the rUK.
    I dont remember that part of the Vow: "vote 'no' to stay in a country we will never let you be Prime Minister of".
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Sun_Politics: Labour plunged into chaos after Scottish referendum disaster for Ed Miliband: http://t.co/7kE11gJKn8

    Shame...
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    YBarddCwsc said:

    CuSO4,

    I think Jim Murphy is a very appealing politician (& I am not a Labour stalwart)

    If he was leading Labour, I think they would win the next election very convincingly. He has known poverty, and he appeals to working class and middle class voters. I think what he has done to the former Eastwood seat -- formerly the strongest Tory seat in Scotland -- is very impressive. There was another 4 per cent swing to him even in 2010.

    In terms of electoral appeal, I think Murphy could rank with early Blair. Perhaps not quite as boyishly handsome, but very appealing.

    But still, if Labour want to persevere with Miliband, that is their affair. Ed is clearly a dud, a truly dreadful mistake. It is a piece of enormous good fortune for the Tories.

    I don't think most people in England or Wales, if confronted with a capable and personable Scottish MP, would say he can't be Prime Minister because he is from Scotland.

    That is such a tiny minority view in the real world that it is never expressed.

    However, it is view often expressed on pb, but I think the demographic of this site is, shall we say, rather unusual.

    Murphy is 16/1 for next labour leader with Ladbrokes.

    Totting up my bets, I am about £100 up overall, mostly because of turnover bets. Shadsy need not worry, he will get it all back in the end...
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    SeanT said:

    Flightpath said:

    CopperSulphate said:

    She reminds me a bit of Rab C Nesbitt's wife.

    http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/12300000/Screencaps-rab-c-nesbitt-12361996-449-360.jpg

    More importanly she is a rampant lefty (former?) member of CND and a lawyer used to arguing a wrongheaded case.
    I note that in a case of labour-like political incest she is married to the current SNP chief execuitive. The SNP has been a nice little earner all round. I suppose I should be ashamed to be so cynical - but if Sturgeon is the answer to Scotland's problems (like Health, where she is a former Secretary) then somebody is asking the wrong question.
    Salmond's genius was to appear like a Tartan Tory to rightwingers but a social democrat to lefties (even if his ideological beginnings were almost Trot).

    Sturgeon won't be able to do that, she's obviously of the Left. She will lead the SNP into a Coalition government in Holyrood, I think.

    The burning question is what the SNP do with their referendum commitment. They can't call for another within five years at a bare minimum, and probably 10-15 (unless the UK exits the EU). Yet without that commitment in their manifesto they will look a bit pointless.

    Can anyone tell me what happened to the PQ after their first referendum defeat?
    It's like Boris pretended to be a right-winger to arch-conservatives and a social democrat supporter to lefties when he was elected president of Oxford union. Even now, he pretends to be a eurosceptic to the Tory Right, while he's an arch-EU supporter behind the scenes to the big corporations.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    I see Ed Miliband wants a constitutional convention in Autumn 2015, as far from a general election and the public views as he can possibly get it.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Why the hell was a convicted murderer allowed in the UK in the first place?!?

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/missing-schoolgirl-alice-gross-police-find-bike-belonging-to-callous-murderer-who-is-prime-suspect-9744584.html

    How many convicted murderers and rapists from the EU have come here?
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Socrates said:

    I see Ed Miliband wants a constitutional convention in Autumn 2015, as far from a general election and the public views as he can possibly get it.

    I thought his mate Brown set out rather a shorter timetable?
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Front page of the Standard this evening was in big letters, "THE VOICES OF ENGLAND MUST BE HEARD"
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Even after Eck's constitutional FUK up, a Scotsman, Irishman, or Welshman could be PM of GB - instert woman if you please. Find the best candidate regardless of whether they were born.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    MarkHopkins said:

    Socrates said:

    I see Ed Miliband wants a constitutional convention in Autumn 2015, as far from a general election and the public views as he can possibly get it.

    I thought his mate Brown set out rather a shorter timetable?
    Miliband's position is to rush through the extra powers for Scotland, but kick the issue for England until after the general election.

    What could possibly be his motivation for that...
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    SeanT said:

    YBarddCwsc said:

    "Can anyone tell me what happened to the PQ after their first referendum defeat?"

    They won the next Quebec provincial election (the PQ call it the Quebec national election).

    Yes, but did they continue to call for a referendum, or did they drop it?
    They've had two - in 1980 NO won 60-40, and in 1995 IIRC less than a 1% win for NO.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,954
    Socrates said:

    I see Ed Miliband wants a constitutional convention in Autumn 2015, as far from a general election and the public views as he can possibly get it.

    He is literally a coward.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Socrates said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    Socrates said:

    I see Ed Miliband wants a constitutional convention in Autumn 2015, as far from a general election and the public views as he can possibly get it.

    I thought his mate Brown set out rather a shorter timetable?
    Miliband's position is to rush through the extra powers for Scotland, but kick the issue for England until after the general election.

    What could possibly be his motivation for that...
    To show how much he hates the English?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Socrates said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    Socrates said:

    I see Ed Miliband wants a constitutional convention in Autumn 2015, as far from a general election and the public views as he can possibly get it.

    I thought his mate Brown set out rather a shorter timetable?
    Miliband's position is to rush through the extra powers for Scotland, but kick the issue for England until after the general election.

    What could possibly be his motivation for that...
    Motivations aside, surely there's no way to sort out a settlement for England within the same timetable as for Scotland as announced? Meaning the Scottish ones will be significantly delayed.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Spare a thought for the cybernats. Whither now, angry Scottish men with your furious fingers and reservoirs of bile? Will you spill out across the rest of the internet as roaming jihadis below the line? One thinks of the Tuaregs, spilling out of Libya after the defeat of Gaddafi and destabilising Mali instead. Will you all be learning Spanish? Mandarin? Or, will you keep on keeping on, with the same auld fight?

    I think these people have been more influential than they know. Perhaps terribly so. True, there have been unionist trolls — ask Andy Murray, and then leave the poor sod alone — but they have been as children next to their Yessy foes. Some unionist blogs, also. Yet the Yes side has recruited online, fought online, arranged flash mobs and demos online, and on and on. Convinced of a mainstream bias, moreover, it has almost built a whole alternative Scottish news media, albeit one occasionally run from surprising places, such as Bath.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4212612.ece
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @labourpress: RT @LabourBIS: .@ChukaUmunna is speaking to @AFNeil on @BBCNewsnight this evening on Labour's plans for a Constitutional Convention @IanKatz1000

    Codename - Project LongGrass
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