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politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Local By-Election Results : September 4th 2014

Carfax on Oxford City (Lab Defence)
Result: Labour 168 (44% +12%), Liberal Democrats 101 (27% +4%), Greens 63 (17% -9%), Conservatives 24 (6% -12%), United Kingdom Independence Party 24 (6%)
Labour HOLD with a majority of 67 (17%) on a swing of 4% from Liberal Democrat to Labour

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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @SeanT
    Being just a little melodramatic Sean?
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    FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    edited September 2014
    Boring thread:

    Not much happening. Shame no-one is picking up on DC's comment late-last-thread. But what do we expect these days...?

    EtA: Can everyone's joke-but [sic] moderator manage thread delivery? It's a bit hard to comment on a dead thread if the successor has been deleted....
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,819
    edited September 2014
    SeanT said:

    Just watching Episode 9 of the new Game of Thrones. It is eerie how closely it mirrors the indyref debate.

    Even as the ponces in the south airily discuss an eastern war, the hideous northern trolls are swarming over the nation's walls.

    But we cannot let the Wall be breached. Not on our watch.

    Apt. Although I imagine the Indys would have preferred season 1 and the proud North declaring its independence from the poncy south whom they feel no cultural ties to, ruled from some 'flowery seat in the south', as a comparison
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    FPT - apologies for going off topic so early!

    9/11 anniversary

    Not wanting to alarm people, but is anyone else on here more concerned than usual about next week's 9/11 anniversary?

    There's been the story about the Libyan airliners in the hands of Islamic militants, and the article below from Israeli intelligence website Debka is worth a look, what do people think?

    Credible information has reached Saudi, British and Australian agencies that two al Qaeda branches – IS in Iraq and Syria and AQAP at its base in Yemen - have wrapped up plans to roll out coordinated terrorist spectaculars around the 13th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington. According to DEBKAfile’s counterterrorism sources, they are preparing to strike simultaneously in the Middle East and a West European city. Next, they will go for US targets in the Middle East and Europe.

    http://www.debka.com/article/24237/Al-Qaeda’s-9-11-anniversary-attacks-ready-to-go-New-undetectable-explosive-may-be-used

    Something to be concerned about - or not? Has anyone else picked up on similar stories etc? Does it feel different this year?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,819
    Well, these results are clear - UKIP will exceed the Conservatives next year.
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @DoubleCarpet
    It's possible, but given that security will be aware of it, they would be better picking another day.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,930
    kle4 said:

    Well, these results are clear - UKIP will exceed the Conservatives next year.

    UKIP gain Folkestone - omen for 2015 perhaps.
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    Is this the place where all the trolls gather
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    To top it off someone just threw an empty wine bottle over my fence so I now have broken glass outisde my back door.

    There's too much uncivilised scum in London.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,819
    wumper said:

    Is this the place where all the trolls gather

    That would depend on the night.
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    Serious, albeit off-topic:

    Does anyone know where "Sin City 2" is playing in [South] London? I'd like to take my missus out tomorrow....
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    SeanT said:

    Just watching Episode 9 of the new Game of Thrones. It is eerie how closely it mirrors the indyref debate.

    Even as the ponces in the south airily discuss an eastern war, the hideous northern trolls are swarming over the nation's walls.

    But we cannot let the Wall be breached. Not on our watch.

    Stannis = Edward I. Malleus Scotorum, showing them where their true interests lie.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,345
    edited September 2014
    If unstable countries like Ukraine, Syria and Iraq can be independent nations, why can't Scotland be independent?
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Socrates said:


    ...
    There's too much uncivilised scum in London.

    Full respect and sincere condolences to you and your lady but if you have only just noticed that London is a shit hole full of shitty people, well, one has to wonder.

    Still I suppose it s tremendously vibrant which makes up for it.
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    Serious, albeit off-topic:

    Does anyone know where "Sin City 2" is playing in [South] London? I'd like to take my missus out tomorrow....

    http://www.google.co.uk/movies?hl=en&near=London,+UK&sort=1&ei=DzMKVPGaLpCp7AaGhoCoBA&mid=31fb63eae6a30a30
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    wumper said:

    Is this the place where all the trolls gather


    Is that you Martin Day ??
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Socrates said:

    To top it off someone just threw an empty wine bottle over my fence so I now have broken glass outisde my back door.

    There's too much uncivilised scum in London.

    I'm sorry to hear that. We left London for similar reasons.
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    FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    edited September 2014

    Serious, albeit off-topic:

    Does anyone know where "Sin City 2" is playing in [South] London? I'd like to take my missus out tomorrow....

    http://www.google.co.uk/movies?hl=en&near=London,+UK&sort=1&ei=DzMKVPGaLpCp7AaGhoCoBA&mid=31fb63eae6a30a30
    Hmmm,

    Only Sarf' Keys....

    Or Peckham.... :(
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Ask not for whom the Bell tolls, Ed...
    Mr Hollande is suffering a moral and political crisis, added the newspaper, the voice of France’s left-leaning establishment. “The impotence of the executive is obvious. The erosion of the presidential image is terrible. The collapse of authority is worrying . . . How much time is such a situation tenable? How can the head of state hold out?” it asked.

    The president’s “legitimacy is in shreds and the country’s trust in him is near zero. Sitting it out and enduring will not be enough to save his term from a cruel end,” it added.

    The sense of late summer emergency has been fed by grim economic news and a chain of woes that have hit the hapless president who won power in 2012 promising to be “Monsieur Normal” after the soap-opera behaviour of Mr Sarkozy. Ten days ago left-wing cabinet members rebelled and were thrown out as Mr Hollande swung to the right, alienating many of his own voters.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4198248.ece
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,345
    edited September 2014

    Serious, albeit off-topic:

    Does anyone know where "Sin City 2" is playing in [South] London? I'd like to take my missus out tomorrow....

    http://www.google.co.uk/movies?hl=en&near=London,+UK&sort=1&ei=DzMKVPGaLpCp7AaGhoCoBA&mid=31fb63eae6a30a30
    Hmmm,

    Only Sarf' Keys....

    Or Peckham.... :(
    Or Bermondsey, or Wandsworth, that's south of the River!
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    Or Bermondsey, or Wandsworth, that's south of the River!

    Yeh, but....

    Not "Sarf" innit...! :(
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    GregGreg Posts: 1
    It's worth noting that the Oxford by-election had a 10% turnout - unsurprising given an election was called during the summer in a ward where two thirds of the electorate are students.
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Serious, albeit off-topic:

    Does anyone know where "Sin City 2" is playing in [South] London? I'd like to take my missus out tomorrow....

    http://www.google.co.uk/movies?hl=en&near=London,+UK&sort=1&ei=DzMKVPGaLpCp7AaGhoCoBA&mid=31fb63eae6a30a30
    Hmmm,

    Only Sarf' Keys....

    Or Peckham.... :(
    Or Bermondsey, or Wandsworth, that's south of the River!
    Mr Thoughts was looking to take his wife out for the evening, I expect he wanted to take her somewhere nice. Wandsworth doesn't fit the criteria, never mind Bermondsey.
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    Serious, albeit off-topic:

    Does anyone know where "Sin City 2" is playing in [South] London? I'd like to take my missus out tomorrow....

    http://www.google.co.uk/movies?hl=en&near=London,+UK&sort=1&ei=DzMKVPGaLpCp7AaGhoCoBA&mid=31fb63eae6a30a30
    Hmmm,

    Only Sarf' Keys....

    Or Peckham.... :(
    Or Bermondsey, or Wandsworth, that's south of the River!
    Mr Thoughts was looking to take his wife out for the evening, I expect he wanted to take her somewhere nice. Wandsworth doesn't fit the criteria, never mind Bermondsey.
    Avast Mr Llama! Wandsworth is a Tory council!

    And Mr Thoughts did say "Sarf" London!
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    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Just watching Episode 9 of the new Game of Thrones. It is eerie how closely it mirrors the indyref debate.

    Even as the ponces in the south airily discuss an eastern war, the hideous northern trolls are swarming over the nation's walls.

    But we cannot let the Wall be breached. Not on our watch.

    Stannis = Edward I. Malleus Scotorum, showing them where their true interests lie.

    I am sorry but I can still never see that title without reading it as Malleus Scrotum (Ouch!).
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Serious, albeit off-topic:

    Does anyone know where "Sin City 2" is playing in [South] London? I'd like to take my missus out tomorrow....

    http://www.google.co.uk/movies?hl=en&near=London,+UK&sort=1&ei=DzMKVPGaLpCp7AaGhoCoBA&mid=31fb63eae6a30a30
    Hmmm,

    Only Sarf' Keys....

    Or Peckham.... :(
    Or Bermondsey, or Wandsworth, that's south of the River!
    Mr Thoughts was looking to take his wife out for the evening, I expect he wanted to take her somewhere nice. Wandsworth doesn't fit the criteria, never mind Bermondsey.
    Avast Mr Llama! Wandsworth is a Tory council!

    And Mr Thoughts did say "Sarf" London!
    Belay that, Cap'n Doc. I know all about Wandsworth, I was bleedin' born there. It may have a Conservative council but it is still not a place I would take my wife for a nice night out, and I can imagine the reaction if I did.

    Else
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    The subtle and insidious influence of PB -

    I was watching a documentary on Atlantis, and the narrator said "According to Plato.." and I immediately thought of cats.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Serious, albeit off-topic:

    Does anyone know where "Sin City 2" is playing in [South] London? I'd like to take my missus out tomorrow....

    http://www.google.co.uk/movies?hl=en&near=London,+UK&sort=1&ei=DzMKVPGaLpCp7AaGhoCoBA&mid=31fb63eae6a30a30
    Hmmm,

    Only Sarf' Keys....

    Or Peckham.... :(
    Or Bermondsey, or Wandsworth, that's south of the River!
    Mr Thoughts was looking to take his wife out for the evening, I expect he wanted to take her somewhere nice. Wandsworth doesn't fit the criteria, never mind Bermondsey.
    Avast Mr Llama! Wandsworth is a Tory council!

    And Mr Thoughts did say "Sarf" London!
    Belay that, Cap'n Doc. I know all about Wandsworth, I was bleedin' born there. It may have a Conservative council but it is still not a place I would take my wife for a nice night out, and I can imagine the reaction if I did.

    Else
    In the mid 70s when I lived in Richmond and worked in the city, all I remember about Wandsworth is the horrendous 1 way traffic system.
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    Tim_B said:

    The subtle and insidious influence of PB -

    I was watching a documentary on Atlantis, and the narrator said "According to Plato.." and I immediately thought of cats.

    http://www.grahamhancock.com/archive/underworld/DrSunilAtlantis.php
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    If unstable countries like Ukraine, Syria and Iraq can be independent nations, why can't Scotland be independent?

    Too stable.
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    Smarmeron said:

    @DoubleCarpet
    It's possible, but given that security will be aware of it, they would be better picking another day.

    They would be, but they seem to have an obsession with aeroplanes and symbolism. Now, I accept that symbolism is important to terrorists, whose method is one of the mind more than the physical. Even so, while I hesitate to give them ideas (on the off-chance that Al Qaida log onto politicalbetting), I can very easily think of much softer, more vulnerable and equally symbolic targets.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    The subtle and insidious influence of PB -

    I was watching a documentary on Atlantis, and the narrator said "According to Plato.." and I immediately thought of cats.

    http://www.grahamhancock.com/archive/underworld/DrSunilAtlantis.php
    I used to think Atlantis was a tune by The Shadows....
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    HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Tim_B said:

    Serious, albeit off-topic:

    Does anyone know where "Sin City 2" is playing in [South] London? I'd like to take my missus out tomorrow....

    http://www.google.co.uk/movies?hl=en&near=London,+UK&sort=1&ei=DzMKVPGaLpCp7AaGhoCoBA&mid=31fb63eae6a30a30
    Hmmm,

    Only Sarf' Keys....

    Or Peckham.... :(
    Or Bermondsey, or Wandsworth, that's south of the River!
    Mr Thoughts was looking to take his wife out for the evening, I expect he wanted to take her somewhere nice. Wandsworth doesn't fit the criteria, never mind Bermondsey.
    Avast Mr Llama! Wandsworth is a Tory council!

    And Mr Thoughts did say "Sarf" London!
    Belay that, Cap'n Doc. I know all about Wandsworth, I was bleedin' born there. It may have a Conservative council but it is still not a place I would take my wife for a nice night out, and I can imagine the reaction if I did.

    Else
    In the mid 70s when I lived in Richmond and worked in the city, all I remember about Wandsworth is the horrendous 1 way traffic system.
    Sheeesh, Mr. B, Wandsworth's one-way system is relatively benign and easy to navigate - there is in essence one single, though quite large, roundabout. If you want to know the full horror of council planners and traffic systems go to Leeds.
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    SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited September 2014
    @david_herdson
    Yes, expect the unexpected... The upside of a successful attack on that day for any terrorists is the "kudos" of doing it during the most heightened security.
    The downside is of course the increase in failure risk.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Serious, albeit off-topic:

    Does anyone know where "Sin City 2" is playing in [South] London? I'd like to take my missus out tomorrow....

    http://www.google.co.uk/movies?hl=en&near=London,+UK&sort=1&ei=DzMKVPGaLpCp7AaGhoCoBA&mid=31fb63eae6a30a30
    Hmmm,

    Only Sarf' Keys....

    Or Peckham.... :(
    Or Bermondsey, or Wandsworth, that's south of the River!
    Mr Thoughts was looking to take his wife out for the evening, I expect he wanted to take her somewhere nice. Wandsworth doesn't fit the criteria, never mind Bermondsey.
    Avast Mr Llama! Wandsworth is a Tory council!

    And Mr Thoughts did say "Sarf" London!
    Belay that, Cap'n Doc. I know all about Wandsworth, I was bleedin' born there. It may have a Conservative council but it is still not a place I would take my wife for a nice night out, and I can imagine the reaction if I did.

    Else
    In the mid 70s when I lived in Richmond and worked in the city, all I remember about Wandsworth is the horrendous 1 way traffic system.
    Sheeesh, Mr. B, Wandsworth's one-way system is relatively benign and easy to navigate - there is in essence one single, though quite large, roundabout. If you want to know the full horror of council planners and traffic systems go to Leeds.
    I lived near Harrogate for 7 years and am all too familiar with the Leeds situation unfortunately!
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited September 2014
    I just saw a Christmas commercial on tv!

    For the record, it was 98 degrees today....
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    The new Navy lark:

    The Royal Navy is proud to announce its new fleet of Type 45 destroyers.
    Having initially named the first two ships HMS Daring and HMS Dauntless,the Naming Committee has, after intensive pressure from Brussels, renamed them
    HMS Cautious and HMS Prudence. The next five ships are to be HMS Empathy, HMS Circumspect, HMS Nervous, HMS Timorous and HMS Apologist.

    Costing £850 million each, they comply with the very latest employment, equality, health & safety and human rights laws. The Royal Navy fully expects any future enemy to be jolly decent and to employ with the same high standards of behaviour.
    The new user-friendly crow’s nest has excellent wheelchair access.
    Live ammunition has been replaced with paintballs to reduce the risk of anyone getting hurt and to cut down on the number of compensation claims.

    Stress counsellors and lawyers will be on board, as will a full sympathetic industrial tribunal.
    The crew will be 50/50 men and women, and will contain the correct balance of race, gender, sexuality and disability.
    Sailors will only work a maximum of 37hrs per week as per Brussels Rules on Working Hours, even in wartime.
    All the vessels are equipped with a maternity ward, a crèche and a gay disco. Tobacco will be banned throughout the ship, but recreational cannabis will be allowed in wardrooms and messes.

    The Royal Navy is eager to shed its traditional reputation for; “Rum, sodomy and the lash”; so out has gone the rum ration, replaced by sparkling water.
    Sodomy remains, now extended to include all ratings under 18. The lash will still be available on request.

    Saluting of officers is now considered elitist and has been replaced by “Hello Sailor”.
    All information on notice boards will be in 37 different languages and Braille.
    Crew members will now no longer have to ask permission to grow beards and/or moustaches.
    This applies equally to female crew.
    The MoD is inviting suggestions for a “non-specific” flag because the White Ensign may offend minorities. The Union Jack must never be seen.

    The newly re-named HMS Cautious will be commissioned shortly by Captain Hook from the Finsbury Park Mosque who will break a petrol bomb over the hull. She will gently slide into the sea as the Royal Marines Band plays “In the Navy” by the Village People.
    Her first deployment will be to escort boatloads of illegal immigrants to ports on England ‘s south coast.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    “I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region, and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.”

    George Bush 43, July 2007. Prophetic.

    http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/09/04/watch-president-george-w-bushs-haunting-warning-happen-pulled-troops-early-iraq/
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    Tim_B said:

    “I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region, and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.”

    George Bush 43, July 2007. Prophetic.

    http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/09/04/watch-president-george-w-bushs-haunting-warning-happen-pulled-troops-early-iraq/

    If he and Blair hadn't invaded Iraq, would Al Qaeda have used it as a safe haven?

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    Tim_B said:

    “I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region, and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.”

    George Bush 43, July 2007. Prophetic.

    http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/09/04/watch-president-george-w-bushs-haunting-warning-happen-pulled-troops-early-iraq/

    The elected Iraqi government asked the US to leave. Are you saying they should have stayed against their wishes?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    FPT - apologies for going off topic so early!

    9/11 anniversary

    Not wanting to alarm people, but is anyone else on here more concerned than usual about next week's 9/11 anniversary?

    There's been the story about the Libyan airliners in the hands of Islamic militants, and the article below from Israeli intelligence website Debka is worth a look, what do people think?

    Credible information has reached Saudi, British and Australian agencies that two al Qaeda branches – IS in Iraq and Syria and AQAP at its base in Yemen - have wrapped up plans to roll out coordinated terrorist spectaculars around the 13th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington. According to DEBKAfile’s counterterrorism sources, they are preparing to strike simultaneously in the Middle East and a West European city. Next, they will go for US targets in the Middle East and Europe.

    http://www.debka.com/article/24237/Al-Qaeda’s-9-11-anniversary-attacks-ready-to-go-New-undetectable-explosive-may-be-used

    Something to be concerned about - or not? Has anyone else picked up on similar stories etc? Does it feel different this year?

    Debka is very, very unreliable.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    If unstable countries like Ukraine, Syria and Iraq can be independent nations, why can't Scotland be independent?

    Because they are to wee and to poor???
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    Floater said:

    If unstable countries like Ukraine, Syria and Iraq can be independent nations, why can't Scotland be independent?

    Because they are too wee and too poor???
    Even poorer than the wee Ukrainians?
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    Serious, albeit off-topic:

    Does anyone know where "Sin City 2" is playing in [South] London? I'd like to take my missus out tomorrow....

    http://www.google.co.uk/movies?hl=en&near=London,+UK&sort=1&ei=DzMKVPGaLpCp7AaGhoCoBA&mid=31fb63eae6a30a30
    Hmmm,

    Only Sarf' Keys....

    Or Peckham.... :(
    Or Bermondsey, or Wandsworth, that's south of the River!
    Mr Thoughts was looking to take his wife out for the evening, I expect he wanted to take her somewhere nice. Wandsworth doesn't fit the criteria, never mind Bermondsey.
    Avast Mr Llama! Wandsworth is a Tory council!

    And Mr Thoughts did say "Sarf" London!
    Saaarf London, the land of the gods.

    Ok, i'm not being entirely serious as I moved out asap .. but Clapham I understand is a bit more gentrified now.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    “I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region, and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.”

    George Bush 43, July 2007. Prophetic.

    http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/09/04/watch-president-george-w-bushs-haunting-warning-happen-pulled-troops-early-iraq/

    The elected Iraqi government asked the US to leave. Are you saying they should have stayed against their wishes?
    I'm not saying anything. Bush's prediction was accurate.
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    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    “I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region, and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.”

    George Bush 43, July 2007. Prophetic.

    http://gopthedailydose.com/2014/09/04/watch-president-george-w-bushs-haunting-warning-happen-pulled-troops-early-iraq/

    The elected Iraqi government asked the US to leave. Are you saying they should have stayed against their wishes?
    I'm not saying anything. Bush's prediction was accurate.
    Al Qaeda wouldn't have used Iraq as a base if he and Blair hadn't invaded.
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