Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » PB Nighthawks is open

SystemSystem Posts: 12,213
edited August 2014 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » PB Nighthawks is open

Why not relax, and converse into the night on the day’s events in PB NightHawks.

Read the full story here


«13

Comments

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    first 1st.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    1, 2, and 3 are basically the same thing. Naughty TSE.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    edited August 2014
    RobD said:

    1, 2, and 3 are basically the same thing. Naughty TSE.

    2 and 3 kinda are

    Apologies for the brevity of night hawks tonight.

    I'm absolutely knackered at the moment, and am off to bed.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    RobD said:

    1, 2, and 3 are basically the same thing. Naughty TSE.

    2 and 3 kinda are

    Apologies for the brevity of night hawks tonight.

    I'm absolutely knackered at the moment, and am off to bed.
    Not a problem. Must be a mare to get this all sorted every day.

    Night, TSE!
  • RobD said:

    RobD said:

    1, 2, and 3 are basically the same thing. Naughty TSE.

    2 and 3 kinda are

    Apologies for the brevity of night hawks tonight.

    I'm absolutely knackered at the moment, and am off to bed.
    Not a problem. Must be a mare to get this all sorted every day.

    Night, TSE!
    Is easy, pick and compile the links throughout the day, then around 8pm, just have a browse again and finalise it.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    YouGov have also launched a new polling innovation.

    Well this is an app I won't be downloading. Fancy being nudged daily by this and then wasting time wether to answer or not.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    1, 2, and 3 are basically the same thing. Naughty TSE.

    2 and 3 kinda are

    Apologies for the brevity of night hawks tonight.

    I'm absolutely knackered at the moment, and am off to bed.
    Not a problem. Must be a mare to get this all sorted every day.

    Night, TSE!
    Is easy, pick and compile the links throughout the day, then around 8pm, just have a browse again and finalise it.
    But surely you have other things to do than just search the internet for funny stories for our entertainment? Not that I mind, of course ;-)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited August 2014
    Speedy Of course the US does elect judges at the state level, the economist recently had a good article about it
    http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21613276-theyre-not-politicians-so-they-shouldnt-act-them-trouble-electing-judges
  • A by-election for the position of Police and Crime Commissioner for the South Yorkshire Police Area would be very interesting in the current climate. If the incumbent were to resign, under the provisions of section 51 of the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011, a by-election must take place no later than 35 days after two electors registered within the police area have given notice to the appropriate officer.
  • Thanks anyway TSE.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2014
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy Of course the US does elect judges at the state level, the economist recently had a good article about it
    http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21613276-theyre-not-politicians-so-they-shouldnt-act-them-trouble-electing-judges

    Thanks for supporting my case, look what they write about it:
    " Alexis de Tocqueville, whose travels around the country coincided with the spread of judicial elections, predicted that “these innovations will, sooner or later, have disastrous results.” It is a view shared by many of the judges running for office around the country."

    "Electing judges is a bad idea because judges are not like politicians. It is fine for a politician to make deals with voters; to say, “Vote for me and I’ll raise the minimum wage” or “Vote for me and I’ll cut taxes.” But it is an abuse of power for a judge to promise—or even hint—that he will decide future cases on any basis other than the facts and the law. Standing for election gives judges an incentive to smile on people voters like and get tough on those they hate. That is hardly a recipe for impartiality."
    "Vote for me and I’ll jail the people you hate"

    "When first introduced, elections were seen as a way to insulate judicial nominations from the perception of corruption. Now they are having the opposite effect."

    I've got a better slogan "Vote for me I'll set you free"
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    12. None are me honest (!)

    There was a nightclub thing about 20 years ago about drinking beer through a sock in Cardiff. Which was sophisticated, I felt, for the times.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Cameron is half Scottish through his Scottish father, and a quarter Welsh and English through his half Welsh half English mother. So Cameron is more Scottish than English and is simply coming home!!
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    Interacial marriages are hardly an accurate measure of racial tensions, look at europe or america.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Also interesting that Cameron has an approval rating of 30% in Scotland, 10% more than the Scottish Tories' poll rating, and a dissatisfaction rating only 1% more than Salmond!
  • Another busy day on Betfair: over £2.2 million now matched on the IndyRef market, but despite constant trading prices have not moved.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    Another busy day on Betfair: over £2.2 million now matched on the IndyRef market, but despite constant trading prices have not moved.

    Do you have a sense of how much was bet in the last, say, day or week?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Also interesting that Cameron has an approval rating of 30% in Scotland, 10% more than the Scottish Tories' poll rating, and a dissatisfaction rating only 1% more than Salmond!

    That means the LD would get 10 % in scotland in 2015.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Speedy said:

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    Interacial marriages are hardly an accurate measure of racial tensions, look at europe or america.
    Racially mixed marriages are much less common in the states.

    And mixed marriages are a good proxy for other racial views. Young people are much more happy with racial and sexual equality than their elders. The party of Bloom is doomed. Tick, tock,tick tock...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    Anyone know why Baxter's site is down?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    edited August 2014
    1. You What Gov?

    2. Not a fan Re. this.

    3. Will PM Boris finish up facing off against LOTO Farage one day?

    4. Helpfully for the PM Parliament returns for a couple of weeks in early September.

    5. I'd like someone to go through Mr and Mrs Farage's gravy-train expense's with a fine tooth comb...

    6. UKIP is living in a fantasy world and anyway they don't want a referendum now or in the future as it put's them out of business and could take them off the gravy-train.

    7. Isn't it 18th September yet?

    8. Ditto.

    9. Ditto.

    10. The UK has always been one of the most peaceful and tolerant nations on Earth. And the trends look good.

    11. Cameron is entitled to go wherever the hell he likes in his own country.

    12. If Scotland slings their hook next month we should throw Wales a bone and change the British flag to Red, White and Green. IMO.

    13. Where does The Sunil get all this information from?

    14. War is hell.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    Interacial marriages are hardly an accurate measure of racial tensions, look at europe or america.
    Racially mixed marriages are much less common in the states.

    And mixed marriages are a good proxy for other racial views. Young people are much more happy with racial and sexual equality than their elders. The party of Bloom is doomed. Tick, tock,tick tock...
    Because young people have better things to do.
    When they become dads and moms their priorities start to change.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,526

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    UKIP don't oppose interracial marriage, so I'm not sure what your point is (other than your hope for Milliband to be PM).

    However, the Rotherham scandal indicates that in much of the country, the future well belong to UKIP.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,808

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    I agree 10 is excellent news. This post on the other hand is a lazy and reprehensible smear that trivialises genuine racism.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    edited August 2014
    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    Indeed.

    It's also vital we don't brush it all under the carpet because the truth of what went on is too uncomfortable to confront.

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.''

    Very poor and juvenile attempt to wind people up on the site.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    taffys said:

    ''It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.''

    Very poor and juvenile attempt to wind people up on the site.

    Why would it wind people up?

    There's no racists or people with aggressive anti-immigration agenda posting on PB are there?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Speedy There is a difference electing judges, who are supposed to be impartial and consider the facts, and prosecutors and sheriffs who can quite clearly be judged on what they are supposed to do, arrest and successfully prosecute criminals!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    I agree 10 is excellent news. This post on the other hand is a lazy and reprehensible smear that trivialises genuine racism.
    I am not saying that kippers are racist (which is something that crosses all political parties) but that younger people are much more comfortable with diversity than older generations.

    UKIPs xenophobia is not racist, it is mostly against white european immigration, but it is against diversity and how diversity changes society.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    There's no racists or people with aggressive anti-immigration agenda posting on PB are there?

    No I don't believe there are.

    That's why its a very poor and juvenile attempt....
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    And it is vital that we do not use anti racism as a smokescreen over events in Rotherham.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    welshowl said:

    12. None are me honest (!)

    There was a nightclub thing about 20 years ago about drinking beer through a sock in Cardiff. Which was sophisticated, I felt, for the times.

    Pfsh, Cardiff has never had anyone growing cannabis in the council flower pots in the city centre.

    Newport on the other hand...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-23566284

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Speedy On what basis would the LDs get that total? I would assume poll rating, same as the Tories?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312

    A by-election for the position of Police and Crime Commissioner for the South Yorkshire Police Area would be very interesting in the current climate. If the incumbent were to resign, under the provisions of section 51 of the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act 2011, a by-election must take place no later than 35 days after two electors registered within the police area have given notice to the appropriate officer.

    It would be good if a similar provision was enacted for MPs.

  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    welshowl said:

    12. None are me honest (!)

    There was a nightclub thing about 20 years ago about drinking beer through a sock in Cardiff. Which was sophisticated, I felt, for the times.

    About 20 years ago, Welsh beer would have been improved by the consumption method.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,036
    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    Its vital that we step up education and integration of immigrants so that a certain group of them don't view local girls as sub-human scum to be bought and sold like cattle.
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    labour sources say Shaun Wright will be suspended from the party unless he resigns by the morning @iainjwatson (BBC)
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy On what basis would the LDs get that total? I would assume poll rating, same as the Tories?

    If as I reason Cameron's popularity is the sum of the Tories and LDs.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    If the politically correct didn't cover up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children in scores of towns all over the country there'd be no ammunition to use.

    So one easy solution for the politically correct is to stop covering up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children.

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy There is a difference electing judges, who are supposed to be impartial and consider the facts, and prosecutors and sheriffs who can quite clearly be judged on what they are supposed to do, arrest and successfully prosecute criminals!

    Your own posted article from the Economist fully supports my argument.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    Carola said:

    labour sources say Shaun Wright will be suspended from the party unless he resigns by the morning @iainjwatson (BBC)

    The man probably should resign, but I get the feeling Labour is hanging him out to dry for some reason.

    What on Earth could it be?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    Was it right for Rotherham council to prevent a UKIP-supporting couple from adopting?
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    If the politically correct didn't cover up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children in scores of towns all over the country there'd be no ammunition to use.

    So one easy solution for the politically correct is to stop covering up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children.

    Errr..
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2014
    Carola said:

    labour sources say Shaun Wright will be suspended from the party unless he resigns by the morning @iainjwatson (BBC)

    So he is out of the Labour party.
    But no one can remove him from office, so he can still be in a position to cause trouble for the police.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    welshowl said:

    12. None are me honest (!)

    There was a nightclub thing about 20 years ago about drinking beer through a sock in Cardiff. Which was sophisticated, I felt, for the times.

    About 20 years ago, Welsh beer would have been improved by the consumption method.

    Yes you're not wrong. Albright bitter is thankfully a thing of the past I believe. There used to be a real thing here for drinking vast lakes of very weak beer. That seems to have passed too. The choice has improved since the 80's.

    Cardiff is something of a stag destination now too which I find odd, but then I live here.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    AndyJS said:

    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    Was it right for Rotherham council to prevent a UKIP-supporting couple from adopting?
    Sounds like there needs to be a root-and-branch clean out at Rotherham!
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    So he is out of the Labour party.

    Think it'll end there for labour, Mr Speedy? LOL
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    Quite. As the original problem seems to have been caused by, errm, racists pushing their vile political agenda.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Speedy The voters can, and now he has lost the Labour nomination, almost certainly will!
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Hugh said:

    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    If the politically correct didn't cover up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children in scores of towns all over the country there'd be no ammunition to use.

    So one easy solution for the politically correct is to stop covering up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children.

    Errr..
    if it's vital to prevent things like the grooming gangs being used as ammunition then one solution would be to stop the grooming gangs, yes?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Speedy No it doesn't, I never have supported electing judges, whose success you cannot measure, but you can measure the success of prosecutors, by their successful prosecution rate, and Sheriffs, by the successful arrest of convicted criminals
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Speedy I can see you logic on the LD vote total though
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,526

    Speedy said:

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    Interacial marriages are hardly an accurate measure of racial tensions, look at europe or america.
    Racially mixed marriages are much less common in the states.

    And mixed marriages are a good proxy for other racial views. Young people are much more happy with racial and sexual equality than their elders. The party of Bloom is doomed. Tick, tock,tick tock...
    It's called Denial. You think people shouldn't support UKIP, therefore they don't support UKIP. In 1999, UKIP got 7% in the Euro elections. This year, they got 28%. Back, then they had a couple of local councillors. Now they have 368. If your theory were correct, their voters would have died out by now.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    corporeal said:

    welshowl said:

    12. None are me honest (!)

    There was a nightclub thing about 20 years ago about drinking beer through a sock in Cardiff. Which was sophisticated, I felt, for the times.

    Pfsh, Cardiff has never had anyone growing cannabis in the council flower pots in the city centre.

    Newport on the other hand...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-23566284

    I know! Just an excellent story was that :-)
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Cardiff is something of a stag destination now too which I find odd, but then I live here.

    A couple of gay male friends have casually enquired as to Cardiff's totty potential, possibly after the Gareth Thomas' coming out.

    I couldn't possibly comment!!!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970

    "Also interesting that Cameron has an approval rating of 30% in Scotland"

    I think that's because a lot of Scots don't consider him anything to do with them. Berlusconi would I suspect have a huge approval rating in the UK. He doesn't interfere in our politics and he has a libido. What's not to like?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    Just reading the memo posted on Guido's blog. Looks like this clerk business isn't going anywhere soon. Poor Bercow.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2014
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy The voters can, and now he has lost the Labour nomination, almost certainly will!

    Until the next PCC election he can do whatever he likes, that is the problem.
    You shouldn't have a man like that in that position, it's too dangerous that he will abuse it, it's common sence, that is why PCC election turnouts are 10% or less, people have rejected the creation of the post.

    Instead of having the danger of elected PCC's abusing their office for political or personal gain you should abolish the post.

    If you disagree just read your own posted Economist article.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    It's called Denial.

    Don't be too hard on the fellah. I seem to remember he has a stake on zero UKIP seats.

    It must be a difficult time....
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    PB Nighthawks – only 14 links and no hidden 80’s pop song – poor show indeed....
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    edited August 2014
    Have to say this looks quite serious for Speaker B now;

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/08/exclusive-74-mps-support-campaign-against-bercows-clerk-appointment/

    Anybody think we could have a new Speaker by Bonfire Night? :D
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970
    "I agree 10 is excellent news. This post on the other hand is a lazy and reprehensible smear that trivialises genuine racism."

    A smear on whom?
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    If the politically correct didn't cover up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children in scores of towns all over the country there'd be no ammunition to use.

    So one easy solution for the politically correct is to stop covering up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children.

    Errr..
    if it's vital to prevent things like the grooming gangs being used as ammunition then one solution would be to stop the grooming gangs, yes?

    Well, racists and anti-immigration fanatics using horrific events as political "ammunition" is sickening no matter what.

    But of course, criminals should be brought to justice.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    GIN1138 said:

    Have to say this looks quite serious for Speaker B now;

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/08/exclusive-74-mps-support-campaign-against-bercows-clerk-appointment/

    Anybody think we could have a new Speaker by Bonfire Night? :D

    The thought of him being Speaker for the next ~15 years fills me with dread.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Have to say this looks quite serious for Speaker B now;

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/08/exclusive-74-mps-support-campaign-against-bercows-clerk-appointment/

    Anybody think we could have a new Speaker by Bonfire Night? :D

    The thought of him being Speaker for the next ~15 years fills me with dread.
    I thought when he stood for Speakership he claimed he'd stand down mind-way through 2015/2020 Parliament?

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited August 2014
    Post of the day on Guido -

    Panda faked pregnancy.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1325643/panda-may-have-faked-pregnancy-for-buns
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Hugh said:

    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    If the politically correct didn't cover up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children in scores of towns all over the country there'd be no ammunition to use.

    So one easy solution for the politically correct is to stop covering up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children.

    Errr..
    if it's vital to prevent things like the grooming gangs being used as ammunition then one solution would be to stop the grooming gangs, yes?

    Well, racists and anti-immigration fanatics using horrific events as political "ammunition" is sickening no matter what.

    But of course, criminals should be brought to justice.
    So we agree that a great solution to bad people using the grooming gangs as ammunition is to stop the grooming gangs.

    Goodo.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    GIN1138 said:

    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Have to say this looks quite serious for Speaker B now;

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/08/exclusive-74-mps-support-campaign-against-bercows-clerk-appointment/

    Anybody think we could have a new Speaker by Bonfire Night? :D

    The thought of him being Speaker for the next ~15 years fills me with dread.
    I thought when he stood for Speakership he claimed he'd stand down mind-way through 2015/2020 Parliament?

    I suppose he could change his mind. I'm not sure if the house has ever voted out a Speaker who is seeking reelection.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited August 2014
    HYUFD said:

    Speedy No it doesn't, I never have supported electing judges, whose success you cannot measure, but you can measure the success of prosecutors, by their successful prosecution rate, and Sheriffs, by the successful arrest of convicted criminals

    A white Sheriff can get white votes for arresting blacks but not whites.
    cough..Ferguson..cough

    http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ufqeuz/race-off
    http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/qtvov3/race-off---live-from-somewhere

    When you have an elected post the guy who gets elected will tend to cater to enough people he needs to get elected and shove the rest down the trash can, but when that post is a civil service function like Law and Order you need to take care of the whole of society not just a large enough share of voters.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,970
    "Panda faked pregnancy."

    The bitch! Was she trying to trap him..
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    drspyn Perhaps the Panda is a closet Scottish Tory and ensure that it is not too difficult for them to win more MPs next year than Pandas in Edinburgh zoo
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    If the politically correct didn't cover up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children in scores of towns all over the country there'd be no ammunition to use.

    So one easy solution for the politically correct is to stop covering up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children.

    Errr..
    if it's vital to prevent things like the grooming gangs being used as ammunition then one solution would be to stop the grooming gangs, yes?

    Well, racists and anti-immigration fanatics using horrific events as political "ammunition" is sickening no matter what.

    But of course, criminals should be brought to justice.
    So we agree that a great solution to bad people using the grooming gangs as ammunition is to stop the grooming gangs.

    Goodo.

    And we agree that racists and anti-immigration fanatics are vile if they try to use these events as political "ammunition", on internet forums or wherever?

    Ace. An unusual consensus we've reached, Mr Jones.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    edited August 2014
    Speedy As I said the economist article was about judges, an unelected police authority chair can be difficult to dismiss, with rights to compensation, employment tribunals etc, an elected PCC can be got rid of by the morning after election night with no right of appeal!

    The turnout problem was because the LDs made the idiotic decision to insist the elections be held in November rather than the same time as the local elections
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited August 2014
    Speedy said:

    HYUFD said:

    Speedy No it doesn't, I never have supported electing judges, whose success you cannot measure, but you can measure the success of prosecutors, by their successful prosecution rate, and Sheriffs, by the successful arrest of convicted criminals

    When you have an elected post the guy who gets elected will tend to cater enough people he need to get elected and shove the rest down the trash can, but when that post is civil service function like Law and Order you need to take care of the whole of society not just a large enough share of voters.
    Quite so. There will be exceptions and problems with either way of appointment, but the obvious nature of them and likelihood of it being established practice seems to me to be more apparent with electing them. It's easier, and people gravitate to that.
    GIN1138 said:

    Have to say this looks quite serious for Speaker B now;

    http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/08/exclusive-74-mps-support-campaign-against-bercows-clerk-appointment/

    Anybody think we could have a new Speaker by Bonfire Night? :D

    From what I understand he has been a pretty decent Speaker in some respects, but the more I read on this matter the more I question his motivations and the process to carry it out. Surely he would be safe, however? Granted, the last Speaker was forced out, the first in a long long time, and that creates a recent precedent, but Members don't like change and surely would e reluctant to take such a step again.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    One thing that disappoints me in the coverage about Rotherham is the lack of focus on class. Not of the perpetrators but of the victims. I simply do not believe that if the the gangs had decided to migrate from Rotherham to the other side of Sheffield - i.e Sheffield Hallam and started targeting and abusing nice middle class girls - that there would have been this inaction from the police. In fact I suspect they would have acted immediately and sod the consequences for social cohesion. It may be that many middle class girls would be less likely to fall prey to these gangs who seem to specialise in those at risk, but it's fairly obvious that the police and local government non-entities who failed to do anything were not too worried about any threat to their own daughters whom I'm sure they felt would never be targeted.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312
    Hugh said:

    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    If the politically correct didn't cover up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children in scores of towns all over the country there'd be no ammunition to use.

    So one easy solution for the politically correct is to stop covering up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children.

    Errr..
    if it's vital to prevent things like the grooming gangs being used as ammunition then one solution would be to stop the grooming gangs, yes?

    Well, racists and anti-immigration fanatics using horrific events as political "ammunition" is sickening no matter what.
    An "anti-immigration fanatic" being what, exactly? Someone who wants less of it, and who wants the UK to be choosier about who comes here?

    Are you saying that using a real example like Rotherham to make any sort of political point (like "Rotherham council services, schools and Police were doing a really crap job") is essentially racist?

    So are your posts simply a straw man argument that anyone making any sort of point from the Rotherham case is a racist?

    Because, of course, the real racists are those who did not aggressively prosecute serious crime because of the ethnic origin of the suspects.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    Hugh said:

    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    MrJones said:

    Hugh said:

    It's vital we don't let racists and those with an aggressive anti-immigration agenda use Rotherham to push their vile political agenda.

    If the politically correct didn't cover up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children in scores of towns all over the country there'd be no ammunition to use.

    So one easy solution for the politically correct is to stop covering up the gang-rape and torture of thousands of children.

    Errr..
    if it's vital to prevent things like the grooming gangs being used as ammunition then one solution would be to stop the grooming gangs, yes?

    Well, racists and anti-immigration fanatics using horrific events as political "ammunition" is sickening no matter what.

    But of course, criminals should be brought to justice.
    So we agree that a great solution to bad people using the grooming gangs as ammunition is to stop the grooming gangs.

    Goodo.

    And we agree that racists and anti-immigration fanatics are vile if they try to use these events as political "ammunition", on internet forums or wherever?

    Ace. An unusual consensus we've reached, Mr Jones.
    Are the politically correct people who covered up the gang-rape of thousands of children more or less vile? If they're more vile or equally vile then would they have the right to judge?

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Roger said:

    "Panda faked pregnancy."

    The bitch! Was she trying to trap him..

    Probably wanted a secure supply of the best bamboo, and to get to the top of the vacant enclosure list.

    I did wonder if it was straight out of The Daily Mash.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sean_F said:

    Speedy said:

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    Interacial marriages are hardly an accurate measure of racial tensions, look at europe or america.
    Racially mixed marriages are much less common in the states.

    And mixed marriages are a good proxy for other racial views. Young people are much more happy with racial and sexual equality than their elders. The party of Bloom is doomed. Tick, tock,tick tock...
    It's called Denial. You think people shouldn't support UKIP, therefore they don't support UKIP. In 1999, UKIP got 7% in the Euro elections. This year, they got 28%. Back, then they had a couple of local councillors. Now they have 368. If your theory were correct, their voters would have died out by now.
    I do recognise that UKIP do well in recent elections, but their long term prognosis is grim.

    They will struggle to get a single seat next year, then a Miliband government will finish them off.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    I agree 10 is excellent news. This post on the other hand is a lazy and reprehensible smear that trivialises genuine racism.
    I am not saying that kippers are racist (which is something that crosses all political parties) but that younger people are much more comfortable with diversity than older generations.

    UKIPs xenophobia is not racist, it is mostly against white european immigration, but it is against diversity and how diversity changes society.
    They don't want to lose British culture and identity, in the way it has been decimated in some parts of London. How awful of them.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312

    One thing that disappoints me in the coverage about Rotherham is the lack of focus on class. Not of the perpetrators but of the victims. I simply do not believe that if the the gangs had decided to migrate from Rotherham to the other side of Sheffield - i.e Sheffield Hallam and started targeting and abusing nice middle class girls - that there would have been this inaction from the police. In fact I suspect they would have acted immediately and sod the consequences for social cohesion. It may be that many middle class girls would be less likely to fall prey to these gangs who seem to specialise in those at risk, but it's fairly obvious that the police and local government non-entities who failed to do anything were not too worried about any threat to their own daughters whom I'm sure they felt would never be targeted.

    Quite. The girls were probably seen as skanks and slags. But having sex with a 12 year old girl should always be prosecuted. it's like a get out of jail free card for the police - you don't have to prove coercion, or even intent, just that it happened. Can't understand why "consent" was treated as a reason not to prosecute.

    Maybe we need to get rid of the crime of under-age sex and treat it as rape, the victim not having the capacity to consent.

  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    edited August 2014
    I've been thinking; if Scotland reneges on its debt to the Bank of England, would that set a precedent allowing me to renege on my debt to RBS?
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Tonight's YouGov/Sun poll - Labour a one point lead.. Con 34%, Lab 35%, Lib Dems 7%, UKIP 14%
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    Socrates said:

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    I agree 10 is excellent news. This post on the other hand is a lazy and reprehensible smear that trivialises genuine racism.
    I am not saying that kippers are racist (which is something that crosses all political parties) but that younger people are much more comfortable with diversity than older generations.

    UKIPs xenophobia is not racist, it is mostly against white european immigration, but it is against diversity and how diversity changes society.
    They don't want to lose British culture and identity, in the way it has been decimated in some parts of London. How awful of them.
    What do you mean by "British culture and identity", Socrates?

    Leather on willow? Tea? Real ale? Wars? Chips? White faces?
  • woody662woody662 Posts: 255
    YouGov/Sun poll - Labour a one point lead.. Con 34%, Lab 35%, Lib Dems 7%, UKIP 14%

    May have been level under last weeks methodology.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Speedy said:

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    Interacial marriages are hardly an accurate measure of racial tensions, look at europe or america.
    Racially mixed marriages are much less common in the states.

    And mixed marriages are a good proxy for other racial views. Young people are much more happy with racial and sexual equality than their elders. The party of Bloom is doomed. Tick, tock,tick tock...
    What's the source for racially mixed marraiges being less common the states? Something like 25% of Hispanics marry outside their group. Just 5% of British Asians do.

    As for the "party of Bloom", I don't know what you're referring to. He doesn't have a party since UKIP kicked him out.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    When do we expect the first post-Rotherham poll? (I know Yougov is daily but it depends when they did the research).
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    When do we expect the first post-Rotherham poll? (I know Yougov is daily but it depends when they did the research).

    The YouGov just announced will have had some of its fieldwork today (and some yesterday).
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    South Yorkshire's PCC won't be a Labour representative by tomorrow morning. The party says they'll expel him if he doesn't stand down by then.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Has the PM made any statement yet about tonight's Great British Bake Off outrage?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Hugh said:

    Socrates said:

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    I agree 10 is excellent news. This post on the other hand is a lazy and reprehensible smear that trivialises genuine racism.
    I am not saying that kippers are racist (which is something that crosses all political parties) but that younger people are much more comfortable with diversity than older generations.

    UKIPs xenophobia is not racist, it is mostly against white european immigration, but it is against diversity and how diversity changes society.
    They don't want to lose British culture and identity, in the way it has been decimated in some parts of London. How awful of them.
    What do you mean by "British culture and identity", Socrates?

    Leather on willow? Tea? Real ale? Wars? Chips? White faces?
    Do you have a problem with those things?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Socrates said:

    Speedy said:

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    Interacial marriages are hardly an accurate measure of racial tensions, look at europe or america.
    Racially mixed marriages are much less common in the states.

    And mixed marriages are a good proxy for other racial views. Young people are much more happy with racial and sexual equality than their elders. The party of Bloom is doomed. Tick, tock,tick tock...
    What's the source for racially mixed marraiges being less common the states? Something like 25% of Hispanics marry outside their group. Just 5% of British Asians do.

    As for the "party of Bloom", I don't know what you're referring to. He doesn't have a party since UKIP kicked him out.
    50% of Afro-Carribeans are in mixed race relationships, and the figures for Hindus and Sikhs are higher than Muslim Asians.

    So the party has kicked out Bloom (Farages old friend and flatmate), its a start I suppose. Hamilton is still Deputy Chair though in the party of the future...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,526

    One thing that disappoints me in the coverage about Rotherham is the lack of focus on class. Not of the perpetrators but of the victims. I simply do not believe that if the the gangs had decided to migrate from Rotherham to the other side of Sheffield - i.e Sheffield Hallam and started targeting and abusing nice middle class girls - that there would have been this inaction from the police. In fact I suspect they would have acted immediately and sod the consequences for social cohesion. It may be that many middle class girls would be less likely to fall prey to these gangs who seem to specialise in those at risk, but it's fairly obvious that the police and local government non-entities who failed to do anything were not too worried about any threat to their own daughters whom I'm sure they felt would never be targeted.

    I agree. If you're middle class, you know which buttons to push, to get redress for wrongs done to you and your family.

    In the case of Rotherham, you have a toxic combination of old fashioned snobbery towards "slutty" lower class girls, and modern political correctness which views "good community relations" as paramount.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    Has the PM made any statement yet about tonight's Great British Bake Off outrage?

    Not sure, but EdM has already promised an independent judge-led inquiry.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Hugh said:

    Socrates said:

    10 is excellent news, and shows why tomorrow does not belong to UKIP.

    If UKIP put Miliband in power in 2015, they will have missed the tide of history. I will be happy.

    I agree 10 is excellent news. This post on the other hand is a lazy and reprehensible smear that trivialises genuine racism.
    I am not saying that kippers are racist (which is something that crosses all political parties) but that younger people are much more comfortable with diversity than older generations.

    UKIPs xenophobia is not racist, it is mostly against white european immigration, but it is against diversity and how diversity changes society.
    They don't want to lose British culture and identity, in the way it has been decimated in some parts of London. How awful of them.
    What do you mean by "British culture and identity", Socrates?

    Leather on willow? Tea? Real ale? Wars? Chips? White faces?
    "White faces". I'm not even going to indulge scum like you that try to insert racism into every debate. Tactics like yours are exactly the ones that led to the atmosphere in Rotherham, where people felt scared to say Muslims were abusing kids for fear of being called a racist. Disgusting.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    When do we expect the first post-Rotherham poll? (I know Yougov is daily but it depends when they did the research).

    I think that you'll have to wait till the weekend for the first full post-Rotherham poll.

This discussion has been closed.