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Wroxham on Broadland (Lib Dem defence)
Result of last election to council (2011): Conservatives 34, Liberal Democrats 11, Labour 1 (Conservative majority of 21)
Result of last election in ward (2011): Emboldened denotes elected
Liberal Democrats 985, 829
Conservatives 741, 537
Labour 227
Greens 197
Candidates duly nominated:

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  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Osborne is crap
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited August 2014

    Osborne is crap

    Moderated
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    They were 1.01 at 3 - 0, for what it's worth...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    edited August 2014
    JBriskin said:

    Osborne is crap

    Moderated
    LOL

    the eloquence of the Osbornites never ceases to impress.

    Debt going up, deficit going up, it's a success I tell you.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    JBriskin said:

    Osborne is crap

    Fuck your shit - Osborne FTW - GDP going up - Eng 4, Wal 0 (Bbc3)
    LOL

    the eloquence of the Osbornites never ceases to impress.

    Debt going up, deficit going up, it's a success I tell you.
    Yeah, well I'm a PB Scot watching the wimmin's football - so I guess-

    ....Touché!!!
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:

    Osborne is crap

    Fuck your shit - Osborne FTW - GDP going up - Eng 4, Wal 0 (Bbc3)
    LOL

    the eloquence of the Osbornites never ceases to impress.

    Debt going up, deficit going up, it's a success I tell you.
    Yeah, well I'm a PB Scot watching the wimmin's football - so I guess-

    ....Touché!!!
    Thought you'd be off hanging on Eck's latest musings.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.

    Mr. Brooke, point of order: even if the deficit were falling the debt would be rising.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514

    Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.

    Mr. Brooke, point of order: even if the deficit were falling the debt would be rising.

    yes I think that's a point of order the cameroons would like to take up.

    but can't
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited August 2014

    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:

    Osborne is crap

    Fuck your shit - Osborne FTW - GDP going up - Eng 4, Wal 0 (Bbc3)
    LOL

    the eloquence of the Osbornites never ceases to impress.

    Debt going up, deficit going up, it's a success I tell you.
    Yeah, well I'm a PB Scot watching the wimmin's football - so I guess-

    ....Touché!!!
    Thought you'd be off hanging on Eck's latest musings.
    I listen to FMQs as often as I listen to PMQs - infrequently - but sometimes, often.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:

    JBriskin said:

    Osborne is crap

    Fuck your shit - Osborne FTW - GDP going up - Eng 4, Wal 0 (Bbc3)
    LOL

    the eloquence of the Osbornites never ceases to impress.

    Debt going up, deficit going up, it's a success I tell you.
    Yeah, well I'm a PB Scot watching the wimmin's football - so I guess-

    ....Touché!!!
    Thought you'd be off hanging on Eck's latest musings.
    I listen to FMQs as often as I listen to PMQs - infrequently - but sometimes, often.

    you're a glutton for punishment :-)
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Fpt.

    @jayfdee said:
    » show previous quotes
    I suspect all political persuasions are guilty of the dog cr@p problem,round here they sometimes scoop it up in pink plastic bags and hang it on trees and fences.
    The local paper always has a letter from "Disgusted of ****" complaining of dog cr@p on the pavements,even takes priority of the trolls moaning about local councillors.
    Currently in Normandy,amazed at the phenominal achievement of D day.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1236839/Solicitor-General-Vera-Baird-embroiled-row-failing-pick-dogs-mess-railway-station.html

    Even senior figures in a Labour Government have incontinent dogs.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @DavidL
    " This is going to be seriously close. "
    More than likely.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.

    Oh I don;t see why you're so down, except being told to sod off for the nth time. The Indy demographic is skewed to the Rab C Nesbitt demographic you can't judge the outcome if you're trawling their key constituency.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014

    DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.

    Oh I don;t see why you're so down, except being told to sod off for the nth time. The Indy demographic is skewed to the Rab C Nesbitt demographic you can't judge the outcome if you're trawling their key constituency.
    Actually people are generally fairly polite although there are an increasing number who are plainly just fed up of the whole thing. And Carnoustie, where I was a couple of weeks ago, was about as far away from the Nesbitt tendency as you could get.

    My biggest concern is the sort of mindset that I think Charles exhibited when he said recently "put a fork in it, its done." It really isn't and it will only take a relatively small number of no supporters to have that sort of delusion for us to have a disaster on our hands.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    PCCs were a terrible idea 2 years ago and they are still a terrible idea, politicising something that should not be political. How low the turnout will end up being for this one should be worth a watch though, as the result seems a foregone conclusion. Have Labour committed to abolishing them, or are we going to be stuck with them after they come to power as well?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.

    Oh I don;t see why you're so down, except being told to sod off for the nth time. The Indy demographic is skewed to the Rab C Nesbitt demographic you can't judge the outcome if you're trawling their key constituency.
    Actually people are generally fairly polite although there are an increasing number who are plainly just fed up of the whole thing. And Carnoustie, where I was a couple of weeks ago, was about as far away from the Nesbitt tendency as you could get.

    My biggest concern is the sort of mindset that I think Charles exhibited when he said recently "put a fork in it, its done." It really isn't and it will only take a relatively small number of no supporters to have that sort of delusion for us to have a disaster on our hands.
    It isn't done until the fat lady sings as you rightly point out, however the onus is still on yes what with just 4 weeks to go. Clearly not impossible for them but a lot of ground to be covered and whatever happens salmond has left a divided people behind him.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited August 2014
    Since I've been blethering about it-

    Final score-

    Wales 0 - England 4
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    That is for women's football qualifier's for the European championships.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    I presume it's the Euro's anyway...
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 606
    JBriskin said:

    Since I've been blethering about it-

    Final score-

    Wales 0 - England 4

    Decent game. relieved that it finished 4-0
    Anyway, about this Malky Mackay business!
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Oh, It's the World Cup - and England wimmin have qualified.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    valleyboy said:

    JBriskin said:

    Since I've been blethering about it-

    Final score-

    Wales 0 - England 4

    Decent game. relieved that it finished 4-0
    Anyway, about this Malky Mackay business!
    Well quite!!

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2014
    DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.

    Personally I expect Dundee to be the most pro-Yes area in mainland Scotland. (The former Western Isles will probably be higher).

    My guess is that a 55% Yes vote in Dundee would equate to something like a 40-45% Yes vote overall.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,529
    edited August 2014
    DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.

    BT must assume it's seriously close, and act as if it is, up till the close of polls.

    But, I don't think it is close.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    valleyboy said:

    JBriskin said:

    Since I've been blethering about it-

    Final score-

    Wales 0 - England 4

    Decent game. relieved that it finished 4-0
    Anyway, about this Malky Mackay business!
    He's running away from the Milibandwagon.

    http://order-order.com/2014/08/21/miliband-and-malky-mackay-arm-in-arm/
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    AndyJS said:

    DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.

    Personally I expect Dundee to be the most pro-Yes area in mainland Scotland. (The former Western Isles will probably be higher).

    My guess is that a 55% Yes vote in Dundee would equate to something like a 40-45% Yes vote overall.

    It is very hard to judge. My own experience would be that Aberdeen is at least as no as Dundee is yes, possibly even more so. The majority in Edinburgh seems to be no (not surprising given the financial services implications for the City) as do the borders.

    I really don't have much information on Glasgow personally. There was some exasperation that BT was taking time to get its act together there but there have been a lot of suggestions that Labour in particular are much more active now.
  • valleyboyvalleyboy Posts: 606
    dr_spyn said:

    valleyboy said:

    JBriskin said:

    Since I've been blethering about it-

    Final score-

    Wales 0 - England 4

    Decent game. relieved that it finished 4-0
    Anyway, about this Malky Mackay business!
    He's running away from the Milibandwagon.

    http://order-order.com/2014/08/21/miliband-and-malky-mackay-arm-in-arm/
    LOL LOL LOL
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Tamzin Outhwaite showing her amazement that enemy aliens were interned in 1940...or is it just sheer ignorance of DORA.

    What else did she expect HMG to do when Italy went to war with GB?
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @KLE

    'PCCs were a terrible idea 2 years ago and they are still a terrible idea, politicising something that should not be political'

    And Police Authorities weren't political? Your having a laugh.



  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited August 2014
    john_zims said:

    @KLE

    'PCCs were a terrible idea 2 years ago and they are still a terrible idea, politicising something that should not be political'

    And Police Authorities weren't political? Your having a laugh.

    They weren't ideal, but PCCs are worse, particularly as we still have PCPs to monitor them so all we've done is add another political figure to the mix.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    dr_spyn said:

    Tamzin Outhwaite showing her amazement that enemy aliens were interned in 1940...or is it just sheer ignorance of DORA.

    What else did she expect HMG to do when Italy went to war with GB?

    DORA was WWI.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    DavidL said:

    AndyJS said:

    DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.

    Personally I expect Dundee to be the most pro-Yes area in mainland Scotland. (The former Western Isles will probably be higher).

    My guess is that a 55% Yes vote in Dundee would equate to something like a 40-45% Yes vote overall.

    It is very hard to judge. My own experience would be that Aberdeen is at least as no as Dundee is yes, possibly even more so. The majority in Edinburgh seems to be no (not surprising given the financial services implications for the City) as do the borders.

    I really don't have much information on Glasgow personally. There was some exasperation that BT was taking time to get its act together there but there have been a lot of suggestions that Labour in particular are much more active now.
    Some knowledgable people have been predicting a Yes vote in the Highland area which I find a bit surprising but they probably know more about it than I do.

    As you say Edinburgh and Aberdeen are likely to vote No. Glasgow is difficult to predict. Could be very close there.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited August 2014
    corporeal said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Tamzin Outhwaite showing her amazement that enemy aliens were interned in 1940...or is it just sheer ignorance of DORA.

    What else did she expect HMG to do when Italy went to war with GB?

    DORA was WWI.
    Emergency Powers (Defence) Act 1939 - similar in many ways to DORA. Just very hacked off by the programme on BBC1. Thanks for making me look again.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Former UKIP candidate Julia Gasper has claimed that the party is “plagued” with “grotesque” transsexuals."

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/08/18/former-ukip-candidate-party-is-plagued-with-grotesque-transsexuals/
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @KLE

    'They weren't ideal, but PCCs are worse, particularly as we still have PCPs to monitor them so all we've done is add another political figure to the mix.'

    At least the PCC's are accountable to the public and can be voted out unlike the unelected / unaccountable Police Authorities.
  • DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.

    Depressing? You admit your in a poor area, and find people might like the thought of a better future for themselves as depressing.


  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited August 2014

    DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.

    Depressing? You admit your in a poor area, and find people might like the thought of a better future for themselves as depressing.


    You live in Scotland then Eh_ehm_a_eh?

  • JBriskin said:

    DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.

    Depressing? You admit your in a poor area, and find people might like the thought of a better future for themselves as depressing.


    You live in Scotland then Eh_ehm_a_eh?

    Dundee

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    JBriskin said:

    DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.

    Depressing? You admit your in a poor area, and find people might like the thought of a better future for themselves as depressing.


    You live in Scotland then Eh_ehm_a_eh?

    Dundee

    Ah well, I'm a Britnat in case you didn't know.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    john_zims said:

    @KLE

    'They weren't ideal, but PCCs are worse, particularly as we still have PCPs to monitor them so all we've done is add another political figure to the mix.'

    At least the PCC's are accountable to the public and can be voted out unlike the unelected / unaccountable Police Authorities.

    Or, since figures most likely to win are standing as representatives of a political party first and foremost, if a region turns against Labour/Conservatives for national or local political reasons which have nothing to do with the responsibilities of the the PCC, they can get voted out no matter how good or bad a job they are doing.

    I'm sure the fine men and women doing the job will do all they can to focus on their responsibility toward all residents of their area - my local PCC has put great effort into community outreach and local schemes - but if they want to remain in office they will have to make sure they appeal to the electorate on a partisan basis, as merely being a really great PCC would probably not save a Tory PCC whose area has swung heavily to Labour as a result of Cameron, or some Labour PCC facing the same situation if people turn against PM Miliband.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited August 2014
    A couple of things about the murder of James Foley...

    Do you think its a bit much to keep showing the picture of his last moments, as a lot of papers are? Some things are best left unseen, or at least only if you want to find them maybe?

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited August 2014
    AndyJS said:

    "Former UKIP candidate Julia Gasper has claimed that the party is “plagued” with “grotesque” transsexuals."

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/08/18/former-ukip-candidate-party-is-plagued-with-grotesque-transsexuals/

    Haha


    FORMER UKIP CANDIDATE

    who stood for the english democrats in may
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    isam said:

    A couple of things about the murder of James Foley...

    Do you think its a bit much to keep showing the picture of his last moments, as a lot of papers are? Some things are best left unseen, or at least only if you want to find them maybe?

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?

    He may well have been drugged
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    Why don't they just admit they haven't got a clue what is going on and it's all down to natural evolution:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28870988

    Oh I forgot, they would lose their meal ticket.....
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    isam said:

    ...

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?

    Perhaps they threatened to torture him unless he said that message?

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics · 36 secs
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour has five-point lead. Con 33%, Lab 38%, LD 8%, UKIP 12%

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    AndyJS said:

    "Former UKIP candidate Julia Gasper has claimed that the party is “plagued” with “grotesque” transsexuals."

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/08/18/former-ukip-candidate-party-is-plagued-with-grotesque-transsexuals/

    How many makes a plague I wonder?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,529
    edited August 2014
    isam said:

    A couple of things about the murder of James Foley...

    Do you think its a bit much to keep showing the picture of his last moments, as a lot of papers are? Some things are best left unseen, or at least only if you want to find them maybe?

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?

    Maybe they promised to spare him, if he said what he did.

    Or maybe they promised him a quick death, as opposed to death by torture.




  • Ah well, I'm a Britnat in case you didn't know.

    I'll pray for you.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    ...

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?

    Perhaps they threatened to torture him unless he said that message?

    Yes that would seem the most plausible explanation to me, and yes @rcs1000 I guess he could have been drugged too

    Seems ISIS wanted $132m or the release of Affia Siddique in exchange for Foley

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2731164/ISIS-offered-swap-Foley-Lady-Al-Qaeda-Terrorists-wanted-return-MIT-graduate-jailed-U-S-planning-mass-casualty-strike-dirty-bomb-ebola-chemical-weapon-spared-children.html
  • They count tomorrow in West Midlands
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    LD selections:

    Sheffield SE, Gail Smith.
    http://www.libdems.org.uk/gail_smith

    Penrith & The Border: Neil Hughes (isn't this the guy from the 7 Up, 14 Up, etc programmes?)
    http://www.libdems.org.uk/neil_hughes

    Oldham West & Royton: Garth Harkness.
    http://www.libdems.org.uk/garth_harkness

    Kenilworth & Southam: Richard Dickson.
    http://www.libdems.org.uk/richard_dickson
  • isam said:

    A couple of things about the murder of James Foley...

    Do you think its a bit much to keep showing the picture of his last moments, as a lot of papers are? Some things are best left unseen, or at least only if you want to find them maybe?

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?

    What did he say? (sorry not seen the video)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    A couple of things about the murder of James Foley...

    Do you think its a bit much to keep showing the picture of his last moments, as a lot of papers are? Some things are best left unseen, or at least only if you want to find them maybe?

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?

    What did he say? (sorry not seen the video)
    You think I have??!??! Sod that.

    I read it in the paper

    "The ISIS thugs made James, 40, read a speech immediately before he was executed in which he laid the blame for his death on recent U.S. bombings in Iraq and singled out his brother.

    'Think about what you are doing. Think about the lives you destroy, including those of your own family,' Foley was made to say. 'I call on you, John. Think about who made the decision to bomb Iraq recently and kill those people, whoever they may have been.

    'Think, John. Who did they really kill? And did they think about me, you and our family when they made that decision?” he asked.

    'I died that day, John, when your colleagues dropped that bomb on those people, they signed my death certificate. I wish I had more time. I wish I could have the hope of freedom and seeing my family once again, but that ship has sailed. I guess all in all, I wish I wasn’t American.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2730361/Revealed-James-Foley-ISIS-whipping-boy-Terrorist-captors-discovered-pictures-U-S-Air-Force-officer-brother-laptop-suffer-mock-executions-including-crucified-against-wall.html#ixzz3B3zNtHpg
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  • "DavidL said:


    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.
    Depressing? You admit your in a poor area, and find people might like the thought of a better future for themselves as depressing."

    Interesting. It is perhaps worth pointing that Dundee East is one of only six Westminster SNP seats and the only urban one. Dundee West is also pretty nationalist. In canvassing a council estate in Dundee you are probably canvassing the most pro-nationalist demographic in Scotland. (Carnoustie, btw, is in Angus. Also an SNP seat at Westminster). You might be better off canvassing somewhere else, rather than stirring up SNP hotbeds!!

    Nevertheless BT should not assume it is in the bag - I can't help feeling that Darling could be vulnerable in the next debate. He would have been outshone by Salmond if not for the car-crash over the currency. And the more you provide evidence of the potential economic disaster indy could be the more some folk of a certain mindset seem determined to vote for it. Something cussed about folk up here.
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    A couple of things about the murder of James Foley...

    Do you think its a bit much to keep showing the picture of his last moments, as a lot of papers are? Some things are best left unseen, or at least only if you want to find them maybe?

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?

    What did he say? (sorry not seen the video)
    You think I have??!??! Sod that.

    I read it in the paper

    "The ISIS thugs made James, 40, read a speech immediately before he was executed in which he laid the blame for his death on recent U.S. bombings in Iraq and singled out his brother.

    'Think about what you are doing. Think about the lives you destroy, including those of your own family,' Foley was made to say. 'I call on you, John. Think about who made the decision to bomb Iraq recently and kill those people, whoever they may have been.

    'Think, John. Who did they really kill? And did they think about me, you and our family when they made that decision?” he asked.

    'I died that day, John, when your colleagues dropped that bomb on those people, they signed my death certificate. I wish I had more time. I wish I could have the hope of freedom and seeing my family once again, but that ship has sailed. I guess all in all, I wish I wasn’t American.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2730361/Revealed-James-Foley-ISIS-whipping-boy-Terrorist-captors-discovered-pictures-U-S-Air-Force-officer-brother-laptop-suffer-mock-executions-including-crucified-against-wall.html#ixzz3B3zNtHpg
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    Thanks for that - yes, I agree it is strange that he didn't refuse, if he knew his end was near.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    A BBC mystery:

    This has long puzzled me.

    The home page of the BBC News website is a precious resource, right? It receives millions of hits per week, from people wanting up-to-date news. Obviously the Beeb can't put everything on that front page, it has to be very selective, and choose to headline those stories which are of wide appeal and up to date. It's meant to be 'News', after all.

    So why on earth does the BBC News main home page on the 21st August still have a headline under 'Democracy Live' which relates to a story which has been there - largely unread, I imagine - for a whole month (from 22nd July)?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were. Bit depressing really. Anyone claiming this is over really has no contact with what is going on on the ground. This is going to be seriously close.

    Oh I don;t see why you're so down, except being told to sod off for the nth time. The Indy demographic is skewed to the Rab C Nesbitt demographic you can't judge the outcome if you're trawling their key constituency.
    Actually people are generally fairly polite although there are an increasing number who are plainly just fed up of the whole thing. And Carnoustie, where I was a couple of weeks ago, was about as far away from the Nesbitt tendency as you could get.

    My biggest concern is the sort of mindset that I think Charles exhibited when he said recently "put a fork in it, its done." It really isn't and it will only take a relatively small number of no supporters to have that sort of delusion for us to have a disaster on our hands.
    To be honest, I have no idea how the Scots are going to vote - I'm just bored of interminal threads full of people repeating themselves endlessly.

    On balance, I'd like the Scots to want to say. But if they don't want to, I want them out sharpish. Same way that if someone quits I want them out of the office immediately rather than hanging around with a bad attitude to work their notice.

    And anyway, I suspect the chances of my family representing central Glasgow in Parliament (as they did for several generations) are relatively low...
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    isam said:

    isam said:

    A couple of things about the murder of James Foley...

    Do you think its a bit much to keep showing the picture of his last moments, as a lot of papers are? Some things are best left unseen, or at least only if you want to find them maybe?

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?

    What did he say? (sorry not seen the video)
    You think I have??!??! Sod that.

    I read it in the paper

    "The ISIS thugs made James, 40, read a speech immediately before he was executed in which he laid the blame for his death on recent U.S. bombings in Iraq and singled out his brother.

    'Think about what you are doing. Think about the lives you destroy, including those of your own family,' Foley was made to say. 'I call on you, John. Think about who made the decision to bomb Iraq recently and kill those people, whoever they may have been.

    'Think, John. Who did they really kill? And did they think about me, you and our family when they made that decision?” he asked.

    'I died that day, John, when your colleagues dropped that bomb on those people, they signed my death certificate. I wish I had more time. I wish I could have the hope of freedom and seeing my family once again, but that ship has sailed. I guess all in all, I wish I wasn’t American.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2730361/Revealed-James-Foley-ISIS-whipping-boy-Terrorist-captors-discovered-pictures-U-S-Air-Force-officer-brother-laptop-suffer-mock-executions-including-crucified-against-wall.html#ixzz3B3zNtHpg
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    Thanks for that - yes, I agree it is strange that he didn't refuse, if he knew his end was near.
    Use your brain and a modicum of empathy. He'll have been subjected to mock executions before this.
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    Vote NO, get Ed! :)
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    A BBC mystery:

    This has long puzzled me.

    The home page of the BBC News website is a precious resource, right? It receives millions of hits per week, from people wanting up-to-date news. Obviously the Beeb can't put everything on that front page, it has to be very selective, and choose to headline those stories which are of wide appeal and up to date. It's meant to be 'News', after all.

    So why on earth does the BBC News main home page on the 21st August still have a headline under 'Democracy Live' which relates to a story which has been there - largely unread, I imagine - for a whole month (from 22nd July)?

    Often I click on the "most popular" link on the BBC News website and it turns out to be a story from five years' ago. Very odd.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    It's pretty galling IMO that other European governments keep paying out to secure hostages while the US and UK correctly, in my view, refuse to do so.
  • A poor week for the Tories as regards the YouGov/Sun polls. As a result the UKPR average is likely to show a 4% Labour lead and Stephen Fisher's GE 2015 Seats Projection tomorrow might well show Labour edging into a narrow lead.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    AndyJS said:

    A BBC mystery:

    This has long puzzled me.

    The home page of the BBC News website is a precious resource, right? It receives millions of hits per week, from people wanting up-to-date news. Obviously the Beeb can't put everything on that front page, it has to be very selective, and choose to headline those stories which are of wide appeal and up to date. It's meant to be 'News', after all.

    So why on earth does the BBC News main home page on the 21st August still have a headline under 'Democracy Live' which relates to a story which has been there - largely unread, I imagine - for a whole month (from 22nd July)?

    Often I click on the "most popular" link on the BBC News website and it turns out to be a story from five years' ago. Very odd.
    Old stories sometimes suddenly get very popular again for some reason, possibly as they were linked to as relevant to some new story, it had a catchier title, and so ends up being necroed. That's my guess. Democracy live never seems to show anything recent though as far as I can recall.
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    A couple of things about the murder of James Foley...

    Do you think its a bit much to keep showing the picture of his last moments, as a lot of papers are? Some things are best left unseen, or at least only if you want to find them maybe?

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?

    What did he say? (sorry not seen the video)
    You think I have??!??! Sod that.

    I read it in the paper

    "The ISIS thugs made James, 40, read a speech immediately before he was executed in which he laid the blame for his death on recent U.S. bombings in Iraq and singled out his brother.

    'Think about what you are doing. Think about the lives you destroy, including those of your own family,' Foley was made to say. 'I call on you, John. Think about who made the decision to bomb Iraq recently and kill those people, whoever they may have been.

    'Think, John. Who did they really kill? And did they think about me, you and our family when they made that decision?” he asked.

    'I died that day, John, when your colleagues dropped that bomb on those people, they signed my death certificate. I wish I had more time. I wish I could have the hope of freedom and seeing my family once again, but that ship has sailed. I guess all in all, I wish I wasn’t American.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2730361/Revealed-James-Foley-ISIS-whipping-boy-Terrorist-captors-discovered-pictures-U-S-Air-Force-officer-brother-laptop-suffer-mock-executions-including-crucified-against-wall.html#ixzz3B3zNtHpg
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    Thanks for that - yes, I agree it is strange that he didn't refuse, if he knew his end was near.
    He'd been a captive for a couple of years, so I guess his spirit had pretty much been broken. Who knows what those bastards have subjected him to?



  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    AndyJS said:

    A BBC mystery:

    This has long puzzled me.

    The home page of the BBC News website is a precious resource, right? It receives millions of hits per week, from people wanting up-to-date news. Obviously the Beeb can't put everything on that front page, it has to be very selective, and choose to headline those stories which are of wide appeal and up to date. It's meant to be 'News', after all.

    So why on earth does the BBC News main home page on the 21st August still have a headline under 'Democracy Live' which relates to a story which has been there - largely unread, I imagine - for a whole month (from 22nd July)?

    Often I click on the "most popular" link on the BBC News website and it turns out to be a story from five years' ago. Very odd.
    Aiui most popular is based on number of hit/shares/etc. What can happen is if a link goes viral in some way in some part of the web you get a sudden spike in these and it can push an old story back into the charts.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    corporeal said:

    AndyJS said:

    A BBC mystery:

    This has long puzzled me.

    The home page of the BBC News website is a precious resource, right? It receives millions of hits per week, from people wanting up-to-date news. Obviously the Beeb can't put everything on that front page, it has to be very selective, and choose to headline those stories which are of wide appeal and up to date. It's meant to be 'News', after all.

    So why on earth does the BBC News main home page on the 21st August still have a headline under 'Democracy Live' which relates to a story which has been there - largely unread, I imagine - for a whole month (from 22nd July)?

    Often I click on the "most popular" link on the BBC News website and it turns out to be a story from five years' ago. Very odd.
    Aiui most popular is based on number of hit/shares/etc. What can happen is if a link goes viral in some way in some part of the web you get a sudden spike in these and it can push an old story back into the charts.
    They should at least flag it up as an old story in the chart, to avoid confusing readers.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Wrong-Way Motorway Smash Captured On Video
    A police officer yells "He's gonna hit us", moments before a driver going the wrong way down a motorway smashes into his car."

    http://news.sky.com/story/1322479/wrong-way-motorway-smash-captured-on-video
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    A couple of things about the murder of James Foley...

    Do you think its a bit much to keep showing the picture of his last moments, as a lot of papers are? Some things are best left unseen, or at least only if you want to find them maybe?

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?

    What did he say? (sorry not seen the video)
    You think I have??!??! Sod that.

    I read it in the paper

    "The ISIS thugs made James, 40, read a speech immediately before he was executed in which he laid the blame for his death on recent U.S. bombings in Iraq and singled out his brother.

    'Think about what you are doing. Think about the lives you destroy, including those of your own family,' Foley was made to say. 'I call on you, John. Think about who made the decision to bomb Iraq recently and kill those people, whoever they may have been.

    'Think, John. Who did they really kill? And did they think about me, you and our family when they made that decision?” he asked.

    'I died that day, John, when your colleagues dropped that bomb on those people, they signed my death certificate. I wish I had more time. I wish I could have the hope of freedom and seeing my family once again, but that ship has sailed. I guess all in all, I wish I wasn’t American.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2730361/Revealed-James-Foley-ISIS-whipping-boy-Terrorist-captors-discovered-pictures-U-S-Air-Force-officer-brother-laptop-suffer-mock-executions-including-crucified-against-wall.html#ixzz3B3zNtHpg
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    Thanks for that - yes, I agree it is strange that he didn't refuse, if he knew his end was near.
    Use your brain and a modicum of empathy. He'll have been subjected to mock executions before this.
    There you go, you're cleverer than me. That's why I asked
  • A BBC mystery:

    This has long puzzled me.

    The home page of the BBC News website is a precious resource, right? It receives millions of hits per week, from people wanting up-to-date news. Obviously the Beeb can't put everything on that front page, it has to be very selective, and choose to headline those stories which are of wide appeal and up to date. It's meant to be 'News', after all.

    So why on earth does the BBC News main home page on the 21st August still have a headline under 'Democracy Live' which relates to a story which has been there - largely unread, I imagine - for a whole month (from 22nd July)?

    Use your brain and a modicum of empathy. Links can go viral, especially if shared on Twitter or Facebook or other social media.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Is this the most bizarre episode of Newsnight ever broadcast?
  • Scott_P said:

    Is this the most bizarre episode of Newsnight ever broadcast?

    Haven't seen Rory Bremner on TV in ages!
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited August 2014
    Interesting story from the papers review that tory MPs are calling for a tightening of the laws on radicalism in Britain.

    That might need Ed's support to get through quickly. He may have to come dangerously close to a stance on the threat of radical islam. He may have to decide on a policy.

    Wonder what he will do....
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523

    Why don't they just admit they haven't got a clue what is going on and it's all down to natural evolution:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-28870988

    Oh I forgot, they would lose their meal ticket.....


    Fourteen years they denied it had "paused" at all.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    I wonder if the Mirror's front page is an indicator of the labour view on the threat of IS. They just wish it would go away.

    Whilst all of Fleet street is dripping with terrrorism, they lead with Gazza. (the former footballer, not the islamist rocket firing strip).

    The ultimate look squirrel?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    taffys said:


    Wonder what he will do....

    Just a guess but: assess any proposed policy on its merits and do what he thinks is best for the country?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Just a guess but: assess any proposed policy on its merits and do what he thinks is best for the country?

    And risk sacrificing the muslim vote? Its a bold strategy...
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @alstewitn: I may be wrong but a lot of pro-independence folk on @BBCNewsnight seem to be 'bigging up' DevoMax in an 'if only' sense.
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    What's the bet the political class' response will involve a set of policies that makes the problem less visible but doesn't actually do anything to stop it growing.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited August 2014
    Newsnight debate on Scottish independence ends with Rory Bremner making a silly joke about Nigel Farage. Everyone in the studio laughs.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    MrJones said:

    What's the bet the political class' response will involve a set of policies that makes the problem less visible but doesn't actually do anything to stop it growing.

    Honestly, the idea a policy would be implemented and have an impact, if only superficially, seems like a stretch.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    edited August 2014
    I wonder how far we are from crowd-funded ransom demands, posted on kickstarter etc.

    (I was wondering about writing a thought piece about it, but not sure whether it'd fit on PB, or where to put it elsewhere).

    (Of course someone's probably already written it)
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    AndyJS said:

    Newsnight debate on Scottish independence ends with Rory Bremner making a silly joke about Nigel Farage. Everyone in the studio laughs.

    @adjwilson: Go home Newsnight, you're drunk.

    RT @BBCNewsnight: And here's #Newsnight's house band 'Federation of the Disco Pimp' http://t.co/Q6QeklPws2
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Mike_Donachie: @PeteWishart In an independent Scotland, the jokes would be better than that! ;-)
  • corporeal said:

    I wonder how far we are from crowd-funded ransom demands, posted on kickstarter etc.

    The organisers and donors to any such scheme would be liable to be proceeded against and punished for funding terrorism. While I oppose most of the terrorism laws in principle, such prosecutions would not merely be lawful but manifestly just.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    In fact this whole ISIS thing is doing my head in.

    To think we invaded Iraq, for no reason.

    But can't sort these scumbags out.

    Blair and the Tories who enthusiastically cheered him on, you have a lot to answer for.
  • HughHugh Posts: 955
    isam said:

    A couple of things about the murder of James Foley...

    Do you think its a bit much to keep showing the picture of his last moments, as a lot of papers are? Some things are best left unseen, or at least only if you want to find them maybe?

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?

    Sam you can be very foolish at times.

    Think what this bloke went through, you would say anything - anything.


    (sorry for initial post Mods!)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited August 2014
    Hugh said:

    isam said:

    A couple of things about the murder of James Foley...

    Do you think its a bit much to keep showing the picture of his last moments, as a lot of papers are? Some things are best left unseen, or at least only if you want to find them maybe?

    Secondly, and I don't want this to sound at all like I am having a go at Foley because nothing could be further from my thinking, but I wonder why, if he knew he was going to be executed, he said what he did on camera. He seemed to know he was going to be killed, so why not just say "Fuck you" to the Muslim from East London who murdered him?

    Sam you can be very foolish at times.

    Think what this bloke went through, you would say anything - anything.


    (sorry for initial post Mods!)
    Jesus I only asked. We can't all be politicians

    Reminds me of 1984 when Winston blames Julia after he has been tortured by the rats, I guess that's what happened

    Freaks me out that anyone can actually cut someone's head off. Just doesn't seem real
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Interesting article by AEP in the tele

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100027956/nobel-guru-fears-it-may-be-nigh-impossible-to-stop-deflation/

    I wonder if the fear of future tax rises perpetuates the blame the electorate places on Labour for getting us into this mess.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    Blue_rog said:

    Interesting article by AEP in the tele

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100027956/nobel-guru-fears-it-may-be-nigh-impossible-to-stop-deflation/

    I wonder if the fear of future tax rises perpetuates the blame the electorate places on Labour for getting us into this mess.

    I do enjoy reading his articles, but I can't seem to recall how well his previous predictions have been. I think eurogeddon is a common theme for him!
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Hugh said:

    In fact this whole ISIS thing is doing my head in.

    To think we invaded Iraq, for no reason.

    But can't sort these scumbags out.

    Blair and the Tories who enthusiastically cheered him on, you have a lot to answer for.

    We invaded iraq to remove Saddam and set up a democracy. Iraqis have their own country now and their own forces - so do the Kurds.
    Its their fight of they want to and we can help. But its their fight.

    I don't see this or any other executions as being a move from strength, but as a move of weakness. American airpower is not insignificant. ISIS does not have much of a future.
  • Hugh said:

    In fact this whole ISIS thing is doing my head in.

    To think we invaded Iraq, for no reason.

    But can't sort these scumbags out.

    Blair and the Tories who enthusiastically cheered him on, you have a lot to answer for.

    We invaded iraq to remove Saddam and set up a democracy. Iraqis have their own country now and their own forces - so do the Kurds.
    Its their fight of they want to and we can help. But its their fight.

    I don't see this or any other executions as being a move from strength, but as a move of weakness. American airpower is not insignificant. ISIS does not have much of a future.
    Agreed - Isis' strength comes from projecting an image of invulnerability This attracts new converts and helps strike fear into opponents. This has been dented by losing territory following the air strikes so something needed to be done to seize back the initiative.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Hugh said:

    Blair and the Tories who enthusiastically cheered him on, you have a lot to answer for.

    Nice elision of the Labour government and the Labour Party there! Talk about re-writing history!

    Meanwhile, what about the current Labour Party and current Leader?

    I wonder how kindly history will treat Miliband's parliamentary stunt a year ago?

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    DavidL said:

    Went canvassing for BT in Dundee again this evening. Poor area, mainly council. Clear majority for yes, even among Labour voters as most of them were.

    Fintry? I remember in the 60s in the (unequal) tussle over local government, Dundee councillors proudly proclaiming we've got a Housing Scheme that's bigger than Forfar!

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    On IS I am reminded of 1066 and All That's analysis of one of the late Victorian wars:

    War with Zulus.
    Cause: the Zulus.
    Zulus exterminated.
    Peace with Zulus.

    While the Zulus didn't deserve (nor did they get) that, IS on the other hand needs to be suppressed with either 1) hand wringing editorials in the Guardian or 2) Violence.

    I'm pondering which might work better......
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    RobD said:

    Blue_rog said:

    Interesting article by AEP in the tele

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100027956/nobel-guru-fears-it-may-be-nigh-impossible-to-stop-deflation/

    I wonder if the fear of future tax rises perpetuates the blame the electorate places on Labour for getting us into this mess.

    I do enjoy reading his articles, but I can't seem to recall how well his previous predictions have been. I think eurogeddon is a common theme for him!
    AEP is Hunchman, and I claim my 5 pounds
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    It certainly is quiet tonight...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    RobD said:

    It certainly is quiet tonight...

    The calm before the storm dear boy......the calm before the storm !

    Four weeks tonight,......,
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