Speculation about Boris as Prime Minister heightened in the run up to Cameron's election campaign is a good thing? Any denials Boris makes about his future plans in the "House" will be met by skepticism, and a future poll repeating the last one showing an improvement in Tory fortunes would set the party alight. The odds of such a poll being conducted are vanishingly small of course.
Boris is best priced at 11/4 with Paddy Power to be the Tories' next leader. This doesn't look remotely like value to me, not least because one could be waiting years for such a bet to be settled.
Find it quite comical that OGH thinks Boris could be the man to win over UKIP supporters. A lot of Kippers tend not to be very keen on the metropolitan elite and Boris is most definitely part of the metropolitan elite.
Far better to try and find Boris a seat in/near London and then send him off to shore up the vote in places like Hendon and Enfield North
Find it quite comical that OGH thinks Boris could be the man to win over UKIP supporters.
Boris has already said that Britain could have a great future outside the EU. Inside a reformed EU would be better, but still, if we're out, so be it. What isn;t acceptable is staying in an unreformed EU.
Boris has been clearer on Europe in four sentences than Dave has in four years.
Find it quite comical that OGH thinks Boris could be the man to win over UKIP supporters. A lot of Kippers tend not to be very keen on the metropolitan elite and Boris is most definitely part of the metropolitan elite.
Far better to try and find Boris a seat in/near London and then send him off to shore up the vote in places like Hendon and Enfield North
Boris is popular with Con/UKIP waverers. Whether he would remain popular with them as Conservative leader is another matter.
The thing that's attractive about Boris is that he is able to articulate a very positive and believable vision for voters.
Whether his visions come true or not is another question. London didn't seem to be too shabby, last time I looked.
Yes you have a point - he is articulate - in a stuttering sort of way. But what he adds I think is a way of confronting an issue in (and I am struggling for a word here) a 'fearless' or up front' way rather than be say 'nuanced' or 'coy' because of a fear of leaving a hostage to fortune. I don't think I have got the right word but he is able to disarm his critics and interviewers by going along with them.
Speculation about Boris as Prime Minister heightened in the run up to Cameron's election campaign is a good thing? Any denials Boris makes about his future plans in the "House" will be met by skepticism, and a future poll repeating the last one showing an improvement in Tory fortunes would set the party alight. The odds of such a poll being conducted are vanishingly small of course.
Agree but I am not clear on whether this will be a good or bad thing for the Cons.
If Cam wins 2015 and steps down 2017 (as has been mentioned on here) then you have Boris presiding over a referendum but then presumably you will have a pro-exit Cons party.
Is that good?
btw are all these posts off-topic as this is an "undefined discussion topic"?
Find it quite comical that OGH thinks Boris could be the man to win over UKIP supporters. A lot of Kippers tend not to be very keen on the metropolitan elite and Boris is most definitely part of the metropolitan elite.
Far better to try and find Boris a seat in/near London and then send him off to shore up the vote in places like Hendon and Enfield North
These are the same kippers who worship at the feet of city slicker public school educated camel hair coated Farage?
The above market is "the current cabinet to last until the GE". I thought it was widely accepted that Clegg was just waiting until the referendum was out of the way to have his reshuffle and put Jo Swinson in as Scottish Secretary? If that's the case then 8/11 on 'no' must be great value (not even counting the possibility of someone falling off the Cabinet wagon for other reasons).
If someone asked Boris how many families with school-age children have moved out of London or further out of London because of the gang culture the political class pretends doesn't exist I wonder what his answer would be.
If someone asked Boris how many families with school-age children have moved out of London or further out of London because of the gang culture the political class pretends doesn't exist I wonder what his answer would be.
@TOPPING It can't be off topic as the last sentence of the header is "Whatever Boris is now back as strong favourite for the leadership." I am not sure if Boris has much of a chance to be honest, but the media will play with the idea, and uncertainty is usually not a good thing for a government pushing a ticket of "steady as she goes"
This is quite amazing.... Black flight about to start? These white newcomers are making the locals feel alienated... I can understand why. As I said a hundred times, it's human nature to feel this way about an area you felt at home in... Wonder how those who mocked WWC will react
I used to be very pro US but after 9/11 they went insane imo.
If anybody thinks Israel/Gaza will be an important issue at the next election they are crazy.
I think it will have an effect on how the USUK governments are perceived around the world which may have some indirect side effects.
Britain's now very sizeable Muslim minority will sway a dozen seats, maybe more.
More because of the very high differential turnout imo.
Most voters also think Hamas is wrong to launch rockets into Israel. The election will be decided by UKIP voters, more of whom support Israel over Palestine
I'd guess that support may be qualified though. If people get rockets fired at them then it's understandable if they lash out but on the other hand it was still a punishment beating with tanks. As far as UK politics is concerned I'd say the important point is consistency - politicians who talk about "war crimes" and "international law" etc should either be completely consistent or don't talk about it at all.
The [Scottish] currency itself is a red herring
Disagree but even if it was true the **perception** of not having down their homework on the basics was a killer imo. They should have gone with their own currency right from the off just for simplicity's sake.
If gentrification is happening, its certainly not showing up in any voting changes. Islington is totally red, hackney still very red, and London went a fair bit redder overall in May.
The reason, I think, is that even those white hipsters who have moved in are only just able to afford the rent. They like Ed's rent freeze proposals.
That said, some Hackney pubs are like the White Horse in Parsons Green in the 1980s. Full of yuppies.
This is quite amazing.... Black flight about to start? These white newcomers are making the locals feel alienated... I can understand why. As I said a hundred times, it's human nature to feel this way about an area you felt at home in... Wonder how those who mocked WWC will react
One thing I don't like about PB nowadays is the 'do you want to bet on that' thing that's been with us for years now, crappy pub tactics, - it was done with an element of pb ideology when it started.
Andrew Neil set a very bad precedent when he engaged on a bet as an interviewer. It's fine for us - but A Neil should have known better than to allow a precedent like that.
A lot of peculiar volatility on the Inyref betting markets today.
At first they moved significantly towards YES, at one point NO was circling the airport at 1/5; but now the money is going the other way: most bookies are offering 1/7 or even shorter.
Not quite sure what it means. Probably nothing at all.
I'm not really replying to you - however - as a Britnat, I must say I do feel much perkier today. Whatever happens - certainly from last night I don't know how BT could have done much more. Like an idiot who mixes sports and politics - I feel - we gave it our best shot.
This is quite amazing.... Black flight about to start? These white newcomers are making the locals feel alienated... I can understand why. As I said a hundred times, it's human nature to feel this way about an area you felt at home in... Wonder how those who mocked WWC will react
The locals can't afford a coffee in the local cafe apparently... So I doubt the bargain "locally resourced" pulled pork baps at £6 a pop will make them welcome in the newbies
This is quite amazing.... Black flight about to start? These white newcomers are making the locals feel alienated... I can understand why. As I said a hundred times, it's human nature to feel this way about an area you felt at home in... Wonder how those who mocked WWC will react
Headline a bit misleading - its not the white hipsters who are going to be rioting..
Still an interesting investment opportunity for a community - vote Labour long enough until your borough becomes a benefit ridden dungheap - then buy up all the property cheap - make it nice again and cash in - trebles all round.
Christ, if the posts that got up there are the *moderated* ones?!
Indeed Neil. And what is particularly striking is that the more ..er....'radical' a post, the more likes it tends to get. I always take these things with a big pinch of salt, but there can be little doubt that the terms of the immigration/race debate have swung very markedly in the last few years.
What I find most baffling about the yougov grid in this post is that 8% of lib dem voters say would switch to "other" if it was Boris instead of Cameron as Tory leader.
I always take these things with a big pinch of salt, but there can be little doubt that the terms of the immigration/race debate have swung very markedly in the last few years.
Oh, I would take it with even more salt than that. It's just people on the internet. Everyone knows we're mad.
I linked to that piece earlier - there was an unflattering comment about how well sourced it was but I've seen enough speculation about it to be on this one (for a pittance, obviously).
Or semi evolved apes are screeching, if they start beating their chests...run for the hills. "Ukraine crisis: Putin orders retaliatory sanctions" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28680656 (sharpening sticks remains optional for the moment) ;-)
I linked to that piece earlier - there was an unflattering comment about how well sourced it was but I've seen enough speculation about it to be on this one (for a pittance, obviously).
A well renowned Lib Dem who blogs about betting on politics also has that story from a reputable source for quite some time.
Their source also tipped Michael Moore as next cabinet minister out next at 25/1 last year.
"Drug smugglers Michaella McCollum and Melissa Reid are told they could soon be on their way home after the Peruvian authorities agree to let them serve the rest of their sentences in the UK"
Why in Gods name do we want the expense of keeping this pair. They were prepared to spread human misery for their own gain so suddenly the British taxpayer has to fork out? Their offence had no connection with the UK (they were trying to smuggle drugs from Peru to Spain), so why should we be paying out. Their gaol in Peru is horrible and their family can't visit very often, who is responsible for them being in such a mess?
I would have thought one drawback of Boris is that he has just spent several years as mayor of London, arguing for the primacy of London and for an even greater skewing of investment priorities towards London. I wouldn’t have thought this would endear him to many outside the south-east? His ‘Heineken’ qualities are often cited (Boris reaches the parts that other Tories can’t reach i.e. the north of England) but I would have thought that due to the understandable enthusiasm with which he has embraced his current role, he is now significantly less attractive to northern voters. When John Prescott was feeling particularly belligerent in front of northern audiences he used to refer, pejoratively, to ‘the London Tories’ (and don’t doubt the extent to which ‘London’ is a pejorative term to the country north of Nottingham) – this is a label which is now more firmly attached to Boris than to any other prominent Conservative.
@JBriskin Never said I was anti fracking, I just hope they don't make as much of a mess this time as "Paraffin Young" made. ( BTW you do realise that not all deposits are economically recoverable? Ask the Poles )
FPT - there were a few wars mentioned by @DavidHerdson.
Very disappointed that he didn't mention my favorite one...
The War of the Spanish Succession:
Fought between the English and the French, with battles in Belgium, Germany and America as to whether an Bourbon or an Austrian got to be King of Spain
That article isam posted is starting to turn ugly.
Imagine how she would feel if these newcomers were being imported by the government like they are in Thurrock and Dagenham?
What she says is only natural when an areas nature changes rapidly, in but imagine if a white person said the same specifically about blacks? Probably be calls for them to be charged/imprisoned.
The sentiment behind it and even the mentions of urination resemble a misunderstood, happy shopper version of Enoch's speech
"Drug smugglers Michaella McCollum and Melissa Reid are told they could soon be on their way home after the Peruvian authorities agree to let them serve the rest of their sentences in the UK"
Why in Gods name do we want the expense of keeping this pair. They were prepared to spread human misery for their own gain so suddenly the British taxpayer has to fork out? Their offence had no connection with the UK (they were trying to smuggle drugs from Peru to Spain), so why should we be paying out. Their gaol in Peru is horrible and their family can't visit very often, who is responsible for them being in such a mess?
They are British citizens and entitled to the protection of the Crown.
Sometimes that is inconvenient and expensive, but as soon as you allow cost to dilute that principle you are on very dangerous ground.
Comments
Yes being Mayor is a job equivalent to cab minister.
If Tories lose in 2015, then it will Boris v. May. And I think Boris will win.
IMHO.
It'll be an outer to unite us with those turncoat kippers.
Any denials Boris makes about his future plans in the "House" will be met by skepticism, and a future poll repeating the last one showing an improvement in Tory fortunes would set the party alight.
The odds of such a poll being conducted are vanishingly small of course.
Great hair. I bought his fiction book, mainly on the basis of his hair, but I didn't get past chapter 1 - it was a bit crap.
Somewhere in Liverpool could prove entertaining?
Far better to try and find Boris a seat in/near London and then send him off to shore up the vote in places like Hendon and Enfield North
Whether his visions come true or not is another question. London didn't seem to be too shabby, last time I looked.
Boris has already said that Britain could have a great future outside the EU. Inside a reformed EU would be better, but still, if we're out, so be it. What isn;t acceptable is staying in an unreformed EU.
Boris has been clearer on Europe in four sentences than Dave has in four years.
Ukip voters in Grimsby aren't going to vote Tory because Boris is standing in Uxbridge
As for next PM, being Mayor of London trumps any cabinet post
If Cam wins 2015 and steps down 2017 (as has been mentioned on here) then you have Boris presiding over a referendum but then presumably you will have a pro-exit Cons party.
Is that good?
btw are all these posts off-topic as this is an "undefined discussion topic"?
Must agree Boris won't win back Kippers, given his general pro-EU outlook.
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/uk-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1835902
The above market is "the current cabinet to last until the GE". I thought it was widely accepted that Clegg was just waiting until the referendum was out of the way to have his reshuffle and put Jo Swinson in as Scottish Secretary? If that's the case then 8/11 on 'no' must be great value (not even counting the possibility of someone falling off the Cabinet wagon for other reasons).
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/07/lib-dems-delay-jo-swinsons-promotion-cabinet
(Other speculation also exists - as PfP would say, DYOR!)
Mind you it's not worth getting excited about at the amount I got on
One commentator's view on the above article:
"George Eaton your sources are rubbish and your speculation amateur. Learn to double source or at least speak to someone who makes the decision." !
It can't be off topic as the last sentence of the header is "Whatever Boris is now back as strong favourite for the leadership."
I am not sure if Boris has much of a chance to be honest, but the media will play with the idea, and uncertainty is usually not a good thing for a government pushing a ticket of "steady as she goes"
I see your point Mr Morris, but judging by the recent articles in the telly, he does appear to have tacked to kipboard somewhat.
Youse lookin' at a faceful of heid...
http://www.theoptimisticpatriot.co.uk/post/93887140448/beating-ukip-on-the-ground
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11014543/White-hipsters-not-black-looters-are-now-threatening-post-riots-London.html
I used to be very pro US but after 9/11 they went insane imo.
I think it will have an effect on how the USUK governments are perceived around the world which may have some indirect side effects.
More because of the very high differential turnout imo.
I'd guess that support may be qualified though. If people get rockets fired at them then it's understandable if they lash out but on the other hand it was still a punishment beating with tanks. As far as UK politics is concerned I'd say the important point is consistency - politicians who talk about "war crimes" and "international law" etc should either be completely consistent or don't talk about it at all.
Disagree but even if it was true the **perception** of not having down their homework on the basics was a killer imo. They should have gone with their own currency right from the off just for simplicity's sake.
Nobody mocks the WWC - they just wonder why they have to act so scary all time.
The Pinot makes me brave enough to comment on the WWC!!! 250ml all round!!!
Which, even today I think will count against him.
If gentrification is happening, its certainly not showing up in any voting changes. Islington is totally red, hackney still very red, and London went a fair bit redder overall in May.
The reason, I think, is that even those white hipsters who have moved in are only just able to afford the rent. They like Ed's rent freeze proposals.
That said, some Hackney pubs are like the White Horse in Parsons Green in the 1980s. Full of yuppies.
You couldn't make it up.
One thing I don't like about PB nowadays is the 'do you want to bet on that' thing that's been with us for years now, crappy pub tactics, - it was done with an element of pb ideology when it started.
Andrew Neil set a very bad precedent when he engaged on a bet as an interviewer. It's fine for us - but A Neil should have known better than to allow a precedent like that.
Two British medical students stabbed to death in Borneo:
http://news.sky.com/story/1314100/british-students-stabbed-to-death-in-borneo
Have you read the comments below that article? Not exactly dishing out the compliments.
Still an interesting investment opportunity for a community - vote Labour long enough until your borough becomes a benefit ridden dungheap - then buy up all the property cheap - make it nice again and cash in - trebles all round.
Only works if you are in London though. No prospect of a return on labour's other dung heaps.
That article isam posted is starting to turn ugly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28673046
Christ, if the posts that got up there are the *moderated* ones?!
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/28678139
Indeed Neil. And what is particularly striking is that the more ..er....'radical' a post, the more likes it tends to get. I always take these things with a big pinch of salt, but there can be little doubt that the terms of the immigration/race debate have swung very markedly in the last few years.
... It should have said.
"Cabinet *not* to go all the way"
Is "heavy petting" a void bet?
The plan is to make Jo Swinson Scotland Secretary to
1) Stop the Lib Dems being all male
2) Give her a better chance of holding her seat
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/07/lib-dems-delay-jo-swinsons-promotion-cabinet
I linked to that piece earlier - there was an unflattering comment about how well sourced it was but I've seen enough speculation about it to be on this one (for a pittance, obviously).
how about 1st/2nd/3rd/4th base instead??
Anyway - given our past interactions -I feel I should be allowed to ask the question that should come to all PBers at some stage-
Do You Bet On Politics?
"Ukraine crisis: Putin orders retaliatory sanctions"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28680656
(sharpening sticks remains optional for the moment) ;-)
Their source also tipped Michael Moore as next cabinet minister out next at 25/1 last year.
So the source has a great track record
With my political insight? Are you insan....don't bother answering
""Ukraine crisis: Putin orders retaliatory sanctions"
Mind your feet. Once he shuts down the gas, we'll need to start fracking underneath where you're standing.
"My sanctions are better than your sanctions!"
At least politicians are consistent across the world?
Why in Gods name do we want the expense of keeping this pair. They were prepared to spread human misery for their own gain so suddenly the British taxpayer has to fork out? Their offence had no connection with the UK (they were trying to smuggle drugs from Peru to Spain), so why should we be paying out. Their gaol in Peru is horrible and their family can't visit very often, who is responsible for them being in such a mess?
Come on then Smarmy-
Why are you and your hippy commie lot Anti-fracking?
Never said I was anti fracking, I just hope they don't make as much of a mess this time as "Paraffin Young" made.
( BTW you do realise that not all deposits are economically recoverable? Ask the Poles )
Well then your persona, Smarmy, as opposed to your ideology, is all over the place. I bet you even vote Labour - Eh? Oh pragmatic communist one.
http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/20140805-france-supply-lebanon-weapons-battle-islamist-insurgents
France to give weapons to Lebanon to fight syrian rebels.
Other than that, you will have to respect the sanctity of the ballot ;-)
War is hell, but a stunning marketing opportunity.
An Exocet in the cruiser is worth two in the practice range?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28678687
112 is my favourite.
And yet without Rangers Scottish football is a total farce
With Rangers its only a partial farce.
I wouldnt say that. The Championship is looking like it's going to be quite exiting this season.
Very disappointed that he didn't mention my favorite one...
The War of the Spanish Succession:
Fought between the English and the French, with battles in Belgium, Germany and America as to whether an Bourbon or an Austrian got to be King of Spain
What she says is only natural when an areas nature changes rapidly, in but imagine if a white person said the same specifically about blacks? Probably be calls for them to be charged/imprisoned.
The sentiment behind it and even the mentions of urination resemble a misunderstood, happy shopper version of Enoch's speech
One nation my arse
Boris Johnson's move shows he doesn't really believe the Tories can win in 2015.
Sometimes that is inconvenient and expensive, but as soon as you allow cost to dilute that principle you are on very dangerous ground.