Tim Montgomerie @TimMontgomerie · 2m Are the Lib Dems ready to bring the government down if Cameron and Hammond won't suspend arms licences to Israel? This seems big.
Golly, brave to torpedo the coalition with his ratings where they are.
And patent political positioning.
I'd say there's nothing he could do to make the LD rating worse, therefore doing anything different would surely make them better, but the LDs have proved they have a lower floor to descend to than most of us thought possible, so perhaps not.
Tim Montgomerie @TimMontgomerie · 2m Are the Lib Dems ready to bring the government down if Cameron and Hammond won't suspend arms licences to Israel? This seems big.
Again, these things the Lib Dems always do to try to "differentiate" themselves from the Conservatives only make their problems worse. It's ALWAYS going to lead to the question of: if you disagree with the Tories so much, why are you still in government with them? They can go on all they want about being "mature" and "acting in the national interest", but as far as the public sees it, they're just being unprincipled and thinking getting their snouts in the trough of "power" is more important than anything else.
At least dissolving the government doesn't fall foul of the "why are you still in government with them?" point (which has, in my opinion, a fair amount of truth to it). Frankly it wouldn't be the most pathetic thing to dissolve the government over; it isn't a Westminster-bubble issue. However I would be surprised if even it could trump whatever plan the LibDems had laid - unless now was the ending anyway.
Plus: I'm doing the debate/Ipsos-Mori thread this evening.
Thank God I am also boozing tonight! The hangover tomorrow will be worth it
So if I post this evening, I've backed Ireland to win next year's rugby world cup.....
You'd be wasting your money!
Currently we're giving the All Blacks a good match in the women's world cup though.
Women's rugby just isn't right or natural
Why aren't boys allowed to play netball
Netball is so freaking boring it should be classified as torture to be made to play and / or watch it.
But Test Cricket is the most boring sport in the entire world, clearly invented by people with FAR too much time on their hands.
And golf.
Nosense. Test Cricket is the best game in the world bar none
I'm a proper football nut, been going to Chelsea since 1963 and played myself to a decent standard. I still like the drama of the Premier League but as I've got older I find I can't stand the ludicrous amounts of money washing around at the top level.
Whereas these days I can watch a Test match from the first ball to the last, I love it.
Test cricket knows what it's aiming for. Netball, on the other hand...
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Of the dead (91) in the King David hotel, many were arabs and jews. 28 were British, 13 of them soldiers. Many British troops were killed in other attacks of course. The Stern Gang were terrorists and various members were hanged, Stern himself was shot by the British in1942. Irgun 'declared war' in 1946. So yes they were terrorists and at one time the British swept 20,000 troops through Tel Aviv with orders to shoot curfew breakers on sight. The terrorists were condemned in the USA and both British and US Jewish authorities condemned the terrorism, as did the UN security council. The soviets were helping the Jewish terrorists at this time.
I was taught 2 wrongs do not make a right.
One of those in the act became an Israeli Prime Minister.
And Mandela became President of S. Africa - your point is????
Nelson Mandela was a great man and Menachen Begin was a fucking terrorist !
They were both terrorists when younger, politicians/statesmen later in life. I am not sure why that should be considered controversial.
Watching STV now. Almost all the ads come with English accents - only ScottishSPCA and Blair Drummond Safari Park with Scottish accents. That would really grate with me after a bit if I were a Scot. I wonder if that will change after independence.
Plus: I'm doing the debate/Ipsos-Mori thread this evening.
Thank God I am also boozing tonight! The hangover tomorrow will be worth it
So if I post this evening, I've backed Ireland to win next year's rugby world cup.....
You'd be wasting your money!
Currently we're giving the All Blacks a good match in the women's world cup though.
Women's rugby just isn't right or natural
Why aren't boys allowed to play netball
Netball is so freaking boring it should be classified as torture to be made to play and / or watch it.
But Test Cricket is the most boring sport in the entire world, clearly invented by people with FAR too much time on their hands.
And golf.
Nosense. Test Cricket is the best game in the world bar none
I'm a proper football nut, been going to Chelsea since 1963 and played myself to a decent standard. I still like the drama of the Premier League but as I've got older I find I can't stand the ludicrous amounts of money washing around at the top level.
Whereas these days I can watch a Test match from the first ball to the last, I love it.
I've gotten into Twenty20 quite a bit, given with the IPL you get dozens of matches on the free ITV4 and I can actually find the time to watch the things, but Test Cricket will always be my preferred form. Even if I cannot watch the whole of a match, I can still read every part of it on Cricinfo and the BBC. Love it.
Can only speak for myself, but I don't understand why any Englishman is bothered one way or the other whether Scotland stay or goes.
any such pride and enhancement, but it surely is not hard to see why others might feel that way.
Not knocking anyone, just can't see a reason to get personally fussed about it (as a southern Englishman)
It's fair enough that you don't personally see any fuss - from my point of view as an firm supporter of the Union (also from southern England) it is unfortunate and worrying, but there are a great many who feel the same way - it's just that it should not be baffling, even if someone does not share the sentiment of those such as myself.
A US general was killed in Afghanistan today, according to an El Pais report I've just read. If true, he is the highest ranked American soldier to have died on active service since 2001.
Thank God I am also boozing tonight! The hangover tomorrow will be worth it
So if I post this evening, I've backed Ireland to win next year's rugby world cup.....
You'd be wasting your money!
Currently we're giving the All Blacks a good match in the women's world cup though.
Women's rugby just isn't right or natural
Why aren't boys allowed to play netball
Netball is so freaking boring it should be classified as torture to be made to play and / or watch it.
But Test Cricket is the most boring sport in the entire world, clearly invented by people with FAR too much time on their hands.
And golf.
Nosense. Test Cricket is the best game in the world bar none
I'm a proper football nut, been going to Chelsea since 1963 and played myself to a decent standard. I still like the drama of the Premier League but as I've got older I find I can't stand the ludicrous amounts of money washing around at the top level.
Whereas these days I can watch a Test match from the first ball to the last, I love it. I've gotten into Twenty20 quite a bit, given with the IPL you get dozens of matches on the free ITV4 and I can actually find the time to watch the things, but Test Cricket will always be my preferred form. Even if I cannot watch the whole of a match, I can still read every part of it on Cricinfo and the BBC. Love it.
Can only speak for myself, but I don't understand why any Englishman is bothered one way or the other whether Scotland stay or goes.
any such pride and enhancement, but it surely is not hard to see why others might feel that way.
Not knocking anyone, just can't see a reason to get personally fussed about it (as a southern Englishman)
It's fair enough that you don't personally see any fuss - from my point of view as an firm supporter of the Union (also from southern England) it is unfortunate and worrying, but there are a great many who feel the same way - it's just that it should not be baffling, even if someone does not share the sentiment of those such as myself.
Cricinfo is my favourite site, and T20 is brilliant for trading on the exchanges. The Sky coverage of the Tests is superb and they seem to have garnered the old Test Match Special bonhomie in the commentary box.
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Of the dead (91) in the King David hotel, many were arabs and jews. 28 were British, 13 of them soldiers. Many British troops were killed in other attacks of course. The Stern Gang were terrorists and various members were hanged, Stern himself was shot by the British in1942. Irgun 'declared war' in 1946. So yes they were terrorists and at one time the British swept 20,000 troops through Tel Aviv with orders to shoot curfew breakers on sight. The terrorists were condemned in the USA and both British and US Jewish authorities condemned the terrorism, as did the UN security council. The soviets were helping the Jewish terrorists at this time.
I was taught 2 wrongs do not make a right.
One of those in the act became an Israeli Prime Minister.
And Mandela became President of S. Africa - your point is????
Nelson Mandela was a great man and Menachen Begin was a fucking terrorist !
They were both terrorists when younger, politicians/statesmen later in life. I am not sure why that should be considered controversial.
There are examples closer to home: Martin McGuinness, for instance.
Um. Can someone repeat TSE's instrux for finding STV on Sky?
For those with sky boxes but aren't in Scotland, you can watch the debate via this little trick
For those with sky but not living in Scotland, you can add STV to your sky box and watch the debate live
1) Press services on your sky box
2) Scroll down to 'Add channels' (Another menu will appear displaying Frequency, Polarization, Symbol Rate and FEC)
3) Change the frequency to 10906
4) Change the Polarization to "V"
5) Change the Symbol Rate to 22.0
6)Change the FEC number to 5/6
7)Select ''Find channels'' at the bottom of the menu
8)You will now see a list of available channels including STV. Simply highlight STV and press the yellow button. A tick will now appear next to STV. Press "Select" again to store STV.
9)Press "Back Up" several times to come out of all the menus until you get your Sky picture again. ( DON'T PRESS TV)
10)Whenever you wish to watch STV in the future simply press "Services" on your remote control which will bring up the menu. Select "Other Channels" and you will then be able to highlight STV and press "Select" to watch.
Um. Can someone repeat TSE's instrux for finding STV on Sky?
For those with sky boxes but aren't in Scotland, you can watch the debate via this little trick
For those with sky but not living in Scotland, you can add STV to your sky box and watch the debate live
1) Press services on your sky box
2) Scroll down to 'Add channels' (Another menu will appear displaying Frequency, Polarization, Symbol Rate and FEC)
3) Change the frequency to 10906
4) Change the Polarization to "V"
5) Change the Symbol Rate to 22.0
6)Change the FEC number to 5/6
7)Select ''Find channels'' at the bottom of the menu
8)You will now see a list of available channels including STV. Simply highlight STV and press the yellow button. A tick will now appear next to STV. Press "Select" again to store STV.
9)Press "Back Up" several times to come out of all the menus until you get your Sky picture again. ( DON'T PRESS TV)
10)Whenever you wish to watch STV in the future simply press "Services" on your remote control which will bring up the menu. Select "Other Channels" and you will then be able to highlight STV and press "Select" to watch.
It would have been so simple if there was a unified media market in the UK.
A US general was killed in Afghanistan today, according to an El Pais report I've just read. If true, he is the highest ranked American soldier to have died on active service since 2001.
A US general was killed in Afghanistan today, according to an El Pais report I've just read. If true, he is the highest ranked American soldier to have died on active service since 2001.
Has ANYONE any confidence that a democratic and stable Afghanistan will exist in the near future?
A US general was killed in Afghanistan today, according to an El Pais report I've just read. If true, he is the highest ranked American soldier to have died on active service since 2001.
Has ANYONE any confidence that a democratic and stable Afghanistan will exist in the near future?
A US general was killed in Afghanistan today, according to an El Pais report I've just read. If true, he is the highest ranked American soldier to have died on active service since 2001.
Has ANYONE any confidence that a democratic and stable Afghanistan will exist in the near future?
A US general was killed in Afghanistan today, according to an El Pais report I've just read. If true, he is the highest ranked American soldier to have died on active service since 2001.
Has ANYONE any confidence that a democratic and stable Afghanistan will exist in the near future?
There simply being an Afghanistan at all seems like the most likely positive outcome, and that really ain't saying much.
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Of the dead (91) in the King David hotel, many were arabs and jews. 28 were British, 13 of them soldiers. Many British troops were killed in other attacks of course. The Stern Gang were terrorists and various members were hanged, Stern himself was shot by the British in1942. Irgun 'declared war' in 1946. So yes they were terrorists and at one time the British swept 20,000 troops through Tel Aviv with orders to shoot curfew breakers on sight. The terrorists were condemned in the USA and both British and US Jewish authorities condemned the terrorism, as did the UN security council. The soviets were helping the Jewish terrorists at this time.
I was taught 2 wrongs do not make a right.
One of those in the act became an Israeli Prime Minister.
And Mandela became President of S. Africa - your point is????
Nelson Mandela was a great man and Menachen Begin was a fucking terrorist !
ROFL - you really didn't know that Mandela was a terrorist in his youth did you:))
A US general was killed in Afghanistan today, according to an El Pais report I've just read. If true, he is the highest ranked American soldier to have died on active service since 2001.
Has ANYONE any confidence that a democratic and stable Afghanistan will exist in the near future?
No.The figures on opium production tell the story.
OKC Afghans turned out in vast numbers to elect their new president, it was never going to be stable, aim was to remove Taliban from power and get rid of Bin Laden, both achieved
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Of the dead (91) in the King David hotel, many were arabs and jews. 28 were British, 13 of them soldiers. Many British troops were killed in other attacks of course. The Stern Gang were terrorists and various members were hanged, Stern himself was shot by the British in1942. Irgun 'declared war' in 1946. So yes they were terrorists and at one time the British swept 20,000 troops through Tel Aviv with orders to shoot curfew breakers on sight. The terrorists were condemned in the USA and both British and US Jewish authorities condemned the terrorism, as did the UN security council. The soviets were helping the Jewish terrorists at this time.
I was taught 2 wrongs do not make a right.
One of those in the act became an Israeli Prime Minister.
And Mandela became President of S. Africa - your point is????
Nelson Mandela was a great man and Menachen Begin was a fucking terrorist !
ROFL - you really didn't know that Mandela was a terrorist in his youth did you:))
Who decided he was a terrorist ? Vorster or Thatcher ?
5 live not covering it either, ridiculous when it covered the US debates, we do not need another night of footy discussion off season instead, even in mainstream BBC channels not covering
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Of the dead (91) in the King David hotel, many were arabs and jews. 28 were British, 13 of them soldiers. Many British troops were killed in other attacks of course. The Stern Gang were terrorists and various members were hanged, Stern himself was shot by the British in1942. Irgun 'declared war' in 1946. So yes they were terrorists and at one time the British swept 20,000 troops through Tel Aviv with orders to shoot curfew breakers on sight. The terrorists were condemned in the USA and both British and US Jewish authorities condemned the terrorism, as did the UN security council. The soviets were helping the Jewish terrorists at this time.
I was taught 2 wrongs do not make a right.
One of those in the act became an Israeli Prime Minister.
And Mandela became President of S. Africa - your point is????
Nelson Mandela was a great man and Menachen Begin was a fucking terrorist !
ROFL - you really didn't know that Mandela was a terrorist in his youth did you:))
Who decided he was a terrorist ? Vorster or Thatcher ?
He was a great freedom fighter.
OMG - Thatcher - are you for real? you're just embarrasing yourself now.
Um. Can someone repeat TSE's instrux for finding STV on Sky?
For those with sky boxes but aren't in Scotland, you can watch the debate via this little trick
For those with sky but not living in Scotland, you can add STV to your sky box and watch the debate live
1) Press services on your sky box
2) Scroll down to 'Add channels' (Another menu will appear displaying Frequency, Polarization, Symbol Rate and FEC)
3) Change the frequency to 10906
4) Change the Polarization to "V"
5) Change the Symbol Rate to 22.0
6)Change the FEC number to 5/6
7)Select ''Find channels'' at the bottom of the menu
8)You will now see a list of available channels including STV. Simply highlight STV and press the yellow button. A tick will now appear next to STV. Press "Select" again to store STV.
9)Press "Back Up" several times to come out of all the menus until you get your Sky picture again. ( DON'T PRESS TV)
10)Whenever you wish to watch STV in the future simply press "Services" on your remote control which will bring up the menu. Select "Other Channels" and you will then be able to highlight STV and press "Select" to watch.
Are you kidding?
Yes, I'm interested, but I'm sure as hell not that interested!
Okay. Can anyone touch type? What's going on? The twitter # is mainly folk moaning they can't see it.
'Want to watch independence debate in England?Broken STV player? Download iphone app TvCatchup, set to "Glasgow" ITV region and it works....' @samcoatestimes
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Of the dead (91) in the King David hotel, many were arabs and jews. 28 were British, 13 of them soldiers. Many British troops were killed in other attacks of course. The Stern Gang were terrorists and various members were hanged, Stern himself was shot by the British in1942. Irgun 'declared war' in 1946. So yes they were terrorists and at one time the British swept 20,000 troops through Tel Aviv with orders to shoot curfew breakers on sight. The terrorists were condemned in the USA and both British and US Jewish authorities condemned the terrorism, as did the UN security council. The soviets were helping the Jewish terrorists at this time.
I was taught 2 wrongs do not make a right.
One of those in the act became an Israeli Prime Minister.
And Mandela became President of S. Africa - your point is????
Nelson Mandela was a great man and Menachen Begin was a fucking terrorist !
ROFL - you really didn't know that Mandela was a terrorist in his youth did you:))
Who decided he was a terrorist ? Vorster or Thatcher ?
He was a great freedom fighter.
I think it was the great Scotsman Bobby Gillespie that said
Salmond's opening statement about food-banks, weapons of mass destruction and those nasty people ruling us from Westminster.... - Darling gets a very lack luster applause after his.
I put my Freesat box through its Initial Intallation procedure using the Glaswegian postcode of G2 4PP. This reconfigured my program listing to include STV. I suspect the same procedure will work for Freeview boxes. Certainly worth trying!
Cyclefree writes good stuff here in PB. Except those with a soecial interest in Israel are totally blind about Israel's conduct. Israel can bomb Gaza until every human is dead and yet they will find some excuse to justify it.
I hear ad nauseum about Hamas' "terrorist" link. I have only one question.
When Menachem Begin and the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and killed 108 British soldiers. Was that an act of terrorism ?
Of the dead (91) in the King David hotel, many were arabs and jews. 28 were British, 13 of them soldiers. Many British troops were killed in other attacks of course. The Stern Gang were terrorists and various members were hanged, Stern himself was shot by the British in1942. Irgun 'declared war' in 1946. So yes they were terrorists and at one time the British swept 20,000 troops through Tel Aviv with orders to shoot curfew breakers on sight. The terrorists were condemned in the USA and both British and US Jewish authorities condemned the terrorism, as did the UN security council. The soviets were helping the Jewish terrorists at this time.
I was taught 2 wrongs do not make a right.
One of those in the act became an Israeli Prime Minister.
And Mandela became President of S. Africa - your point is????
Nelson Mandela was a great man and Menachen Begin was a fucking terrorist !
ROFL - you really didn't know that Mandela was a terrorist in his youth did you:))
Who decided he was a terrorist ? Vorster or Thatcher ?
Mandela himself admitted that he planned violence. His greatness was not that he was not a terrorist. He was. But that he had the greatness of character to transcend that and offer the hand of friendship to those who had cruelly oppressed him and his people.
I do not think that McGuinness is yet in the same league. But he too has learnt to move onto the democratic stage and reach out to unionists.
The leaders of Hamas have not done that. They still openly and unapologetically say that they want to kill every Jew and blame the Jews for everything from the French Revolution onwards and cite the Protocol of the Elders of Zion, the Tsarist invention created to justify pogroms, as "evidence".
(BTW this is not Zionish propaganda as some have - rather intemperately - previously stated but what their own Charter says.)
If they were to forswear their desire to kill all Jews then we might start getting somewhere in the Middle East.
Comments
As to the second point, it seems that way.
Ominous...
Thank God I am also boozing tonight! The hangover tomorrow will be worth it
So if I post this evening, I've backed Ireland to win next year's rugby world cup.....
You'd be wasting your money!
Currently we're giving the All Blacks a good match in the women's world cup though.
Women's rugby just isn't right or natural
Why aren't boys allowed to play netball
Netball is so freaking boring it should be classified as torture to be made to play and / or watch it.
But Test Cricket is the most boring sport in the entire world, clearly invented by people with FAR too much time on their hands.
And golf.
Nosense. Test Cricket is the best game in the world bar none
I'm a proper football nut, been going to Chelsea since 1963 and played myself to a decent standard. I still like the drama of the Premier League but as I've got older I find I can't stand the ludicrous amounts of money washing around at the top level.
Whereas these days I can watch a Test match from the first ball to the last, I love it.
I've gotten into Twenty20 quite a bit, given with the IPL you get dozens of matches on the free ITV4 and I can actually find the time to watch the things, but Test Cricket will always be my preferred form. Even if I cannot watch the whole of a match, I can still read every part of it on Cricinfo and the BBC. Love it. It's fair enough that you don't personally see any fuss - from my point of view as an firm supporter of the Union (also from southern England) it is unfortunate and worrying, but there are a great many who feel the same way - it's just that it should not be baffling, even if someone does not share the sentiment of those such as myself.
Cricinfo is my favourite site, and T20 is brilliant for trading on the exchanges. The Sky coverage of the Tests is superb and they seem to have garnered the old Test Match Special bonhomie in the commentary box.
For those with sky but not living in Scotland, you can add STV to your sky box and watch the debate live
1) Press services on your sky box
2) Scroll down to 'Add channels' (Another menu will appear displaying Frequency, Polarization, Symbol Rate and FEC)
3) Change the frequency to 10906
4) Change the Polarization to "V"
5) Change the Symbol Rate to 22.0
6)Change the FEC number to 5/6
7)Select ''Find channels'' at the bottom of the menu
8)You will now see a list of available channels including STV. Simply highlight STV and press the yellow button. A tick will now appear next to STV. Press "Select" again to store STV.
9)Press "Back Up" several times to come out of all the menus until you get your Sky picture again. ( DON'T PRESS TV)
10)Whenever you wish to watch STV in the future simply press "Services" on your remote control which will bring up the menu. Select "Other Channels" and you will then be able to highlight STV and press "Select" to watch.
Scottish independence referendum debate: the drinking game!
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/aug/04/scottish-independence-referendum-debate-drinking-game
Live blog from the Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11014686/Scottish-independence-TV-debate-live-blog-Alex-Salmond-v-Alistair-Darling.html
"Deliberately fails to mention Gordon Brown by name during a question about Gordon Brown".
http://player.stv.tv/live/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11013994/Yes-Scotland-tells-supporters-what-to-tweet-during-TV-debate.html
Its a victory for Eck!
Got a tick against STV.
When press Back-up I just return to BBC1.
Go into Other Channels and it isn't there.
http://www.dw.de/unprecedented-increase-in-opium-production/a-17428227
He was a great freedom fighter.
STV @WeAreSTV · 4m
For those having problems with the STV Player at the moment we are aware of this and are working hard to fix it.
Yes, I'm interested, but I'm sure as hell not that interested!
Utterly useless.
'Want to watch independence debate in England?Broken STV player? Download iphone app TvCatchup, set to "Glasgow" ITV region and it works....' @samcoatestimes
"One mans freedom fighter is another's terrorist"
Darling: polls haven't drifted since 2012.
Mandela himself admitted that he planned violence. His greatness was not that he was not a terrorist. He was. But that he had the greatness of character to transcend that and offer the hand of friendship to those who had cruelly oppressed him and his people.
I do not think that McGuinness is yet in the same league. But he too has learnt to move onto the democratic stage and reach out to unionists.
The leaders of Hamas have not done that. They still openly and unapologetically say that they want to kill every Jew and blame the Jews for everything from the French Revolution onwards and cite the Protocol of the Elders of Zion, the Tsarist invention created to justify pogroms, as "evidence".
(BTW this is not Zionish propaganda as some have - rather intemperately - previously stated but what their own Charter says.)
If they were to forswear their desire to kill all Jews then we might start getting somewhere in the Middle East.