The overwhelming military might of the Israelis becomes counterproductive after a time. Brave, outnumbered and outgunned Israel has become the school yard bully imposing disproportionate grief on the weak and generating never ending hatred. It is never easy to sympathise with a bully and Israel has grown vicious.
Six Arab nations joined forces to wipe Israel from the face of the earth - were they 'bullies' ?
No they were heroic and had supporters all around the world as a result (including me). But that was then and this is now. Hundreds slaughtered with overpowering force, hitting someone incapable of hitting back. It is sickening. And completely counterproductive.
After 40+ years I must admit to ‘Palestinian victim fatigue’ – This latest conflict started with the cold blooded kidnap and murder of three innocent Israeli teenagers , after a while one begins to think, if you don’t want the dog to bite you, perhaps you should stop kicking it.
Maybe but this dog bites every day, destroying their economy, restricting their trade, denying them water, restricting their movements, making them aid junkies and imposing endless humiliations. What happened to those youngsters was horrible and vile but if I lived in those conditions the need to strike back somehow some way would be overpowering.
Personally, if Miliband loses I think the leadership contest for Labour would be between Cooper and Umunna in a British version of Clinton v Obama. Burnham is better than Ed, but in such a contest he would probably end up playing the John Edwards role
Personally, if Miliband loses I think the leadership contest for Labour would be between Cooper and Umunna in a British version of Clinton v Obama. Burnham is better than Ed, but in such a contest he would probably end up playing the John Edwards role
SeanT Generally a good philosophy, though it depends on the looks of the person offering of course and the security of the place visited, while all for adventure, I think I could turn down travel to N Korea, Iraq or the Sudan at the moment without too many regrets
The overwhelming military might of the Israelis becomes counterproductive after a time. Brave, outnumbered and outgunned Israel has become the school yard bully imposing disproportionate grief on the weak and generating never ending hatred. It is never easy to sympathise with a bully and Israel has grown vicious.
Six Arab nations joined forces to wipe Israel from the face of the earth - were they 'bullies' ?
No they were heroic and had supporters all around the world as a result (including me). But that was then and this is now. Hundreds slaughtered with overpowering force, hitting someone incapable of hitting back. It is sickening. And completely counterproductive.
After 40+ years I must admit to ‘Palestinian victim fatigue’ – This latest conflict started with the cold blooded kidnap and murder of three innocent Israeli teenagers , after a while one begins to think, if you don’t want the dog to bite you, perhaps you should stop kicking it.
After 40+ years I must admit to "Israel victim fatigue". This latest conflict started with the cold blooded murder of 38 Palestinians in the year before, as against 6 Israelis, after a while one begins to think, if you want the dog to stop biting you, perhaps you should stop electrocuting its testicles, year after year.
The Holocaust was 70 years ago. This trauma no longer justifies racist Israelis forever torturing their weaker neighbours, like some Jimmy Savile in the discotheque of the Middle East, perpetually fiddling with the kids.
Interesting notion - but a lot of water has past under the bridge since the then and I’m not entirely convinced the Holocaust is the basis for the past few decades of conflict - although I’m sure it will have something to do with their present psyche – It seems both Israel and Palestine have been the play things of other nation my entire life, I don’t judge either too highly, nor do I see both entirely innocent.
Personally, if Miliband loses I think the leadership contest for Labour would be between Cooper and Umunna in a British version of Clinton v Obama. Burnham is better than Ed, but in such a contest he would probably end up playing the John Edwards role
Israelis gathering to cheer and eat popcorn as they watch Gaza being obliterated, from a nice safe hilltop. They then physically threaten the CNN reporter for daring to report what she saw.
This is Israel's moral decline, its descent into decadent racism, captured in a moment.
Would you rather they sat in their gardens watching as the rockets rained down on them before scurrying into their bunkers and out of your condescending sight?
I can understand their quiet if sad satisfaction in seeing their opponents humbled (even if the Gazans were already quintessentially humiliated). But this is a bunch of sad, fat, popcorn-scoffing f*cks sitting on a hill, cheering on bombers killing children, and then violently threatening a CNN journo for reporting their behaviour.
Israel is sick. Sick to the heart. It is a diseased country.
This is to be expected. Occupations always corrode the occupier, morally speaking. Israel is now in the tertiary stage. Madness beckons.
It's an occupation within a siege. God knows what sort of psychology that results in.
Ask Yokel. A huge part of the problem in Northern Ireland is that both the Catholics and the Unionists viewed themselves as minorities (in N Ireland / Ireland respectively)
One of my great travel moments - not an amazing story in itself - but still a poignantly brilliant memory, was a night in Saigon (aka Ho Chi Minh City) about 15-20 years ago.
A friend and I arrived there, and did all the usual bars and pseudo-bordellos, and then at about midnight, some rickshaw driver caught us returning to our hotel and he said "you want girl?" and we said NO (a lie) but then, for some unknown reason, I said "we want opium" and the guy nodded and laughed and they took us by rickshaw to a cafe on the riverfront where we all smoked opium, outdoors, all night, laughing and dreaming and eating eerie snacks, quite blatantly. Indeed the cafe owner joined us at about 4am and torched up some heroin. Outdoors. In full view of the world.
Then as dawn broke over the Mekong Delta, and the sleepy city, the rickshaw drivers and my friend and me made a wager as to who could make it back to our hotel first and we raced through the deserted boulevards, cantering and giggling - just as the officer workers came out to play badminton before work, on the roads, in the riverine mist.
The comedic, exhilarating, piercing spleandour of the moment will stay with me til I die.
I was in the States with two mates back in 1978, the days of the Freddie Laker flights. We were three young blokes who didn't give a toss about anything, we flew to New York and had a flight back from LA five weeks later. We had no plans in between other than to go where life took us.
We found ourselves down in New Orleans one Friday evening, in a bar in the French Quarter with a bunch of rough blokes who had just finished work. All of a sudden my mate jumps up and shouts loudly that his compatriot (me) could do between two and three hundred press ups. We had loads of takers for bets, and had over $400 in a beer jug for the winner of the wager.
I managed about six, my mate shouted out 'that's between two and three hundred' as he grabbed the money, we legged it down the road chased by some irate rednecks.
Israelis gathering to cheer and eat popcorn as they watch Gaza being obliterated, from a nice safe hilltop. They then physically threaten the CNN reporter for daring to report what she saw.
This is Israel's moral decline, its descent into decadent racism, captured in a moment.
Would you rather they sat in their gardens watching as the rockets rained down on them before scurrying into their bunkers and out of your condescending sight?
I can understand their quiet if sad satisfaction in seeing their opponents humbled (even if the Gazans were already quintessentially humiliated). But this is a bunch of sad, fat, popcorn-scoffing f*cks sitting on a hill, cheering on bombers killing children, and then violently threatening a CNN journo for reporting their behaviour.
Israel is sick. Sick to the heart. It is a diseased country.
This is to be expected. Occupations always corrode the occupier, morally speaking. Israel is now in the tertiary stage. Madness beckons.
Israel does not occupy Gaza. They removed Israeli settlers from there by force. The bunch of cowboys who run Gaza (and humiliate its inhabitants) use it as a base to fire rockets into Israel. Unsurprisingly this p!$$es of quite a number of Israelis and are quite delighted to see it stopped. The West Bank settlements are a different issue and its resolution seems intractable. Yep the middle east is a poser - but I doubt anyone will resolve its problems by bringing your peculiar brand of simplistic crudity to it. I must add that - athough skinny and sylph-like myself - I object to your pejorative use of the word 'fat'. I am not sure how any of the world's problems relating to the crass hatred of whole groups are best served when allegedly literate people like you casually drop such sneering catch-alls.
I managed about six, my mate shouted out 'that's between two and three hundred' as he grabbed the money, we legged it down the road chased by some irate rednecks.
Awesome - one of life's anecdote to tell the grand children when they're old enough.
I managed about six, my mate shouted out 'that's between two and three hundred' as he grabbed the money, we legged it down the road chased by some irate rednecks.
Awesome - one of life's anecdote to tell the grand children when they're old enough.
The overwhelming military might of the Israelis becomes counterproductive after a time. Brave, outnumbered and outgunned Israel has become the school yard bully imposing disproportionate grief on the weak and generating never ending hatred. It is never easy to sympathise with a bully and Israel has grown vicious.
Six Arab nations joined forces to wipe Israel from the face of the earth - were they 'bullies' ?
time after time Israel is told it will be wiped off the map. Look at the cr*p that passes for kids tv in neighbouring countries to indoctrinate with a hatred of the jew.
As you point out they have faced wars of anhilation in the past.
Of course they are going to react strongly to attacks.
How about the neighbours actually give peace a chance?
not going to happen is it, but Israel is somehow the bad guy in this?
I managed about six, my mate shouted out 'that's between two and three hundred' as he grabbed the money, we legged it down the road chased by some irate rednecks.
Awesome - one of life's anecdote to tell the grand children when they're old enough.
Great story!
Indeed Sam - but if you haven't accrued such daft things in life, you really haven't lived. ; )
The overwhelming military might of the Israelis becomes counterproductive after a time. Brave, outnumbered and outgunned Israel has become the school yard bully imposing disproportionate grief on the weak and generating never ending hatred. It is never easy to sympathise with a bully and Israel has grown vicious.
Six Arab nations joined forces to wipe Israel from the face of the earth - were they 'bullies' ?
time after time Israel is told it will be wiped off the map. Look at the cr*p that passes for kids tv in neighbouring countries to indoctrinate with a hatred of the jew.
As you point out they have faced wars of anhilation in the past.
Of course they are going to react strongly to attacks.
How about the neighbours actually give peace a chance?
not going to happen is it, but Israel is somehow the bad guy in this?
I managed about six, my mate shouted out 'that's between two and three hundred' as he grabbed the money, we legged it down the road chased by some irate rednecks.
Awesome - one of life's anecdote to tell the grand children when they're old enough.
Great story!
Indeed Sam - but if you haven't accrued such daft things in life, you really haven't lived. ; )
I managed about six, my mate shouted out 'that's between two and three hundred' as he grabbed the money, we legged it down the road chased by some irate rednecks.
Awesome - one of life's anecdote to tell the grand children when they're old enough.
Great story!
Indeed Sam - but if you haven't accrued such daft things in life, you really haven't lived. ; )
I wasn't taking the mick, I thought it was funny
It was a great story - I didn't think you were taking the mick at all - why should I... pax
Israelis gathering to cheer and eat popcorn as they watch Gaza being obliterated, from a nice safe hilltop. They then physically threaten the CNN reporter for daring to report what she saw.
This is Israel's moral decline, its descent into decadent racism, captured in a moment.
Would you rather they sat in their gardens watching as the rockets rained down on them before scurrying into their bunkers and out of your condescending sight?
That's a Blair-type false dividing line, as if those are the only two possible options.
Israel has the right to exist and that some of its neighbours don't accept that right is a deep problem. It also has the right to protect itself, within the bounds of international law and norms. But *only* within those bounds, even against those who would wish it annihilation.
Israels 'right to exist' is predicated on the major mistake of housing the European Jews there in 1947 and some mumbo jumbo written thousands of years ago. They are infiltrators, backed by the west out of guilt. They are also some of the most seditious and barbarous a holes in the world. Sometimes our friends are regrettably utter cock heads
It's an occupation within a siege. God knows what sort of psychology that results in.
Ask Yokel. A huge part of the problem in Northern Ireland is that both the Catholics and the Unionists viewed themselves as minorities (in N Ireland / Ireland respectively)
The problem that Labour faces is that no-one will actually believe them. They have made lots of spending commitments (even their new rail policy will have significant costs) - and yet they have made no effort to show how it can be paid for - other than from Bashing the Bankers. Now the bank bonus tax has been spent at least 10 times (probably more)
The public know Labour and spending more than is raised through taxation go hand in hand. All this rubbish about 'borrowing for investment' is still borrowing that will need to be paid back.
So the abolition of the Spare Room Subsidy changes, the new rail policy, the increase in benefits for middle class people who are made redundant and all the other things they are saying they would do all come at a cost - and yet they have not identified the revenue streams (or additional cuts) to pay for them.
Until they do, they will never be credible on the economy.
The overwhelming military might of the Israelis becomes counterproductive after a time. Brave, outnumbered and outgunned Israel has become the school yard bully imposing disproportionate grief on the weak and generating never ending hatred. It is never easy to sympathise with a bully and Israel has grown vicious.
Six Arab nations joined forces to wipe Israel from the face of the earth - were they 'bullies' ?
time after time Israel is told it will be wiped off the map. Look at the cr*p that passes for kids tv in neighbouring countries to indoctrinate with a hatred of the jew.
As you point out they have faced wars of anhilation in the past.
Of course they are going to react strongly to attacks.
How about the neighbours actually give peace a chance?
not going to happen is it, but Israel is somehow the bad guy in this?
The overwhelming military might of the Israelis becomes counterproductive after a time. Brave, outnumbered and outgunned Israel has become the school yard bully imposing disproportionate grief on the weak and generating never ending hatred. It is never easy to sympathise with a bully and Israel has grown vicious.
Six Arab nations joined forces to wipe Israel from the face of the earth - were they 'bullies' ?
time after time Israel is told it will be wiped off the map. Look at the cr*p that passes for kids tv in neighbouring countries to indoctrinate with a hatred of the jew.
As you point out they have faced wars of anhilation in the past.
Of course they are going to react strongly to attacks.
How about the neighbours actually give peace a chance?
not going to happen is it, but Israel is somehow the bad guy in this?
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I love those kind of stories. You lived!
One of my great travel moments - not an amazing story in itself - but still a poignantly brilliant memory, was a night in Saigon (aka Ho Chi Minh City) about 15-20 years ago.
A friend and I arrived there, and did all the usual bars and pseudo-bordellos, and then at about midnight, some rickshaw driver caught us returning to our hotel and he said "you want girl?" and we said NO (a lie) but then, for some unknown reason, I said "we want opium" and the guy nodded and laughed and they took us by rickshaw to a cafe on the riverfront where we all smoked opium, outdoors, all night, laughing and dreaming and eating eerie snacks, quite blatantly. Indeed the cafe owner joined us at about 4am and torched up some heroin. Outdoors. In full view of the world.
Then as dawn broke over the Mekong Delta, and the sleepy city, the rickshaw drivers and my friend and me made a wager as to who could make it back to our hotel first and we raced through the deserted boulevards, cantering and giggling - just as the officer workers came out to play badminton before work, on the roads, in the riverine mist.
The comedic, exhilarating, piercing spleandour of the moment will stay with me til I die.
I was in the States with two mates back in 1978, the days of the Freddie Laker flights. We were three young blokes who didn't give a toss about anything, we flew to New York and had a flight back from LA five weeks later. We had no plans in between other than to go where life took us.
We found ourselves down in New Orleans one Friday evening, in a bar in the French Quarter with a bunch of rough blokes who had just finished work. All of a sudden my mate jumps up and shouts loudly that his compatriot (me) could do between two and three hundred press ups. We had loads of takers for bets, and had over $400 in a beer jug for the winner of the wager.
I managed about six, my mate shouted out 'that's between two and three hundred' as he grabbed the money, we legged it down the road chased by some irate rednecks.
N'avi = Palestinians
Humans = Israelis
The West Bank settlements are a different issue and its resolution seems intractable. Yep the middle east is a poser - but I doubt anyone will resolve its problems by bringing your peculiar brand of simplistic crudity to it.
I must add that - athough skinny and sylph-like myself - I object to your pejorative use of the word 'fat'. I am not sure how any of the world's problems relating to the crass hatred of whole groups are best served when allegedly literate people like you casually drop such sneering catch-alls.
As you point out they have faced wars of anhilation in the past.
Of course they are going to react strongly to attacks.
How about the neighbours actually give peace a chance?
not going to happen is it, but Israel is somehow the bad guy in this?
Sometimes our friends are regrettably utter cock heads
http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=12
The public know Labour and spending more than is raised through taxation go hand in hand. All this rubbish about 'borrowing for investment' is still borrowing that will need to be paid back.
So the abolition of the Spare Room Subsidy changes, the new rail policy, the increase in benefits for middle class people who are made redundant and all the other things they are saying they would do all come at a cost - and yet they have not identified the revenue streams (or additional cuts) to pay for them.
Until they do, they will never be credible on the economy.