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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    justin124 said:

    Polliing Day in the general election is as close to today as the end of first week of August 2013.At that time YouGov were putting Lab at 38-39% Con 31-34% LD 10-11% UKIP 11-12%. Not a lot has changed.

    What WILL change is a vote-winning Budget and a vote-losing Labour manifesto....
  • OlusholaOlushola Posts: 1
    The suppliers sometimes lie and say the can cater for Vegan and all food requirements to win the contract for the government institution. The kids need an opt out option for the failings of the food prepindustory. E.g. the food companies find and prepare tastie nutritional with caloris to help the children with their mathematics andsupport for the calorie exstimation.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    taffys said:

    Gove will lose the election for the Tories. Today's polling is a further indication of this.

    Hmmn.

    I wonder what this year's PISA results will tell us. How will state-run Wales fare against academy England??

    It would be interesting if Free school academy England started to shake itself out of the educational torpor that has afflicted the country since Labour took over (Labour Wales has already told people not to expect any improvement).

    State-run England against state-run Wales, you mean.

    Groups who naturally want good education: parents, teachers, and Michael Gove. It is, then, a remarkable political failure for Gove to have alienated the people who started out in his corner. Not to mention school places, school playing fields, and the paradox of the man who proclaims freedom turning his own desk into the biggest LEA in the country.
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    edited June 2014

    Another example of the long shadow cast on the Conservatives' natural allies by the decision to form the ECR group (aka as the Latvian homophobes issue):

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/22/jean-claude-juncker-britain-eu

    The members of the EPP are not natural allies of the Tories; they are essentially Blairites (or more accurately, Blair was essentially a Christian Democrat). They are a federalist grouping which is a long way out of line with majority Conservative thinking.
    How would Conservative Party policy differ if they were a 'federalist' party?
    It wouldn't be looking for the sort of reform it is, nor threatening to leave if it can't get it, for a start.
    What reform are they looking for? The governments Review of Competences found none required. Mr Hannan reports none are being sought.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100264175/david-cameron-wants-to-stay-in-the-eu-on-something-like-the-current-terms-but-hes-our-only-chance-of-a-referendum/
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    stodge said:

    Afternoon (just about) all :)

    The big problem in education at the moment isn't the issue of free schools, it's the provision of school places themselves. One County Council in the south for whom I do some work has to find an additional 900 places for this autumn's intake - I found about this at the end of last month.

    That's a huge task which I understand is being repeated across much of the country. It's an issue around how quickly new classrooms can be added, how quickly local planning issues can be resolved and how quickly the rest of the school infrastructure (including the provision of meals) can be put in place.

    New secondary schools are being built as are new primaries to take on this influx of children and the "free" schools have to fight for availability of land - there's a massive issue around land at the moment. Between the demands for additional school places and additional space for residential accommodation for the elderly on top of the Government requirement for building new homes the planning process in some areas is on the cusp of meltdown.

    It's not just about the "i" word - there are other demographic and economic pressures at work which knock on to other areas such as the provision of medical and transport services.

    But it's not as though we are actually short of land - there's masses of it but its usage for anything meaningful is blocked by antiquated concepts of "green belt" and the like but that blockage serves a purpose as well as the current infrastructure could not stand a house building free-for-all while the cynic in me suspects successive Governments have realised that keeping homeowners sweet by keeping the value of their capital asset high by manipulating supply and demand is the key to electoral success.

    When I moved to Colchester last year most of the local primary schools would not even return phone calls they were so overcrowded.

    As it happens that worked in our favour, but it was a real eye opener at the time.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,816
    MrJones said:



    I think you need competition and incentives for things to work properly. If someone invents a version of socialism that includes those things then i'll go back to it. In the mean time there's only free market capitalism.

    However the natural end result of free market capitalism *isn't* free markets, it's cartels i.e. the end result of free market competition isn't free market competition.

    So *continuing* free market competition *requires* the state to constantly break up cartels as they form.

    Hence the point about regulatory capture.

    It's a capitalist argument. It just sounds socialist because a lot of the free market people have never actually thought about the mechanics of why free markets work better.

    Very well said. Adam Smith himself warned of the power of corporations. Which is why it's so idiotic when people claim 'capitalism has failed'. It hasn't failed; it's not being operated correctly.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Balls

    Dan Roan ‏@danroan 2m

    Telegraph front page tmrw "match-fixing deal casts cloud over World Cup"

    pic.twitter.com/EyoKjSArpj
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564



    Speak for yourself ! If I don;t get an appointment same day I'm fed up. Provided you turn up first thing in the morning at the surgery you can normally get one of the appointments that are only released that mornings. If its really busy so you can't get a doctor you can normally see the practice nurse and she can make prescriptions for run of the mill things. But then I live somewhere civilized, not London :-) I don't think people are generally aware of the massive massive difference in the quality of public services such as schools and hospitals between cities and market towns in rural areas, despite the fact that we get much lower grants per head than inner cities.

    I'm struggling to get a clear picture of how big the issue is. Both when I lived in Broxtowe and now in London I've had no problem whatever in seeing a GP within a day or so when I ask. In both cases I've signed onto large group practices and I don't demand to see one particular doctor - perhaps that's the reason? But I've asked around, and none of my acquaintances - including Labour people who are not averse to complaining about the government - have a problem either. Are we just lucky, or is the issue very localised?

    And neither practice has the ridiculous "ring up/turn up at 815am and keep trying till you get through" system - they both have appointment books like every normal business. Why doesn't everyone?
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Leafy areas of the Home Counties are not where the GP shortage is.

    Perhaps sub 48 hour appointments could be delivered if the parties seriously addressed the crisis in General Practice recruitment, or even aknowledged the problem exists.

    True enough. My vote is more likely to be shifted by health policy than most.

    Incidentally, every one of my GP friends heads sank at Milibands 48 hour pledge for appointments. More arbitrary targets to be met by putting something else on the back burner. No wonder the East Midlands GP scheme has 38% vacancies unfilled in the training scheme.

    Sean_F said:

    It does look as if it is going to be a tight election, so even if education only matters to a few percent it may be all the difference.

    Sean_F said:

    On topic, education policy will be marginal, not decisive, at the next election.

    That could true of many issues, which excite passionate interest among a small number, though.

    Such a pledge is but one example of a knee-jerk reaction to a problem, not a properly thought through response. Both sides do it!
    Speak for yourself ! If I don;t get an appointment same day I'm fed up. Provided you turn up first thing in the morning at the surgery you can normally get one of the appointments that are only released that mornings. If its really busy so you can't get a doctor you can normally see the practice nurse and she can make prescriptions for run of the mill things. But then I live somewhere civilized, not London :-) I don't think people are generally aware of the massive massive difference in the quality of public services such as schools and hospitals between cities and market towns in rural areas, despite the fact that we get much lower grants per head than inner cities.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Surely if free schools get good results they can stay, if they get poor results they can close. Maybe, offering parents the chance to ballot to open some new grammar schools as well as closing them would also be beneficial
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,592
    HYUFD said:

    Surely if free schools get good results they can stay, if they get poor results they can close. Maybe, offering parents the chance to ballot to open some new grammar schools as well as closing them would also be beneficial

    Would you ballot them on opening new Secondary Moderns?


  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322



    Speak for yourself ! If I don;t get an appointment same day I'm fed up. Provided you turn up first thing in the morning at the surgery you can normally get one of the appointments that are only released that mornings. If its really busy so you can't get a doctor you can normally see the practice nurse and she can make prescriptions for run of the mill things. But then I live somewhere civilized, not London :-) I don't think people are generally aware of the massive massive difference in the quality of public services such as schools and hospitals between cities and market towns in rural areas, despite the fact that we get much lower grants per head than inner cities.

    I'm struggling to get a clear picture of how big the issue is. Both when I lived in Broxtowe and now in London I've had no problem whatever in seeing a GP within a day or so when I ask. In both cases I've signed onto large group practices and I don't demand to see one particular doctor - perhaps that's the reason? But I've asked around, and none of my acquaintances - including Labour people who are not averse to complaining about the government - have a problem either. Are we just lucky, or is the issue very localised?

    And neither practice has the ridiculous "ring up/turn up at 815am and keep trying till you get through" system - they both have appointment books like every normal business. Why doesn't everyone?
    I'm in London and at the surgeries around me it's rare to get a same week appointment. I'm now on my third surgery and have the same issue.

    If it's a really localised issue than the obvious solution is to abolish catchment areas. I'd happily travel twenty minutes on the tube to some other part of London if I could get healthcare when I wanted it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Good to see Darling has agreed to debate Salmond on the Union. Though it seems illogical for Salmond to demand Cameron debates with him considering Cameron is English, albeit with Scot ancestors, and therefore cannot vote in the referendum. If he were to debate then logic would suggest the English and rUK can also have a vote in the referendum too
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    taffys said:

    Gove will lose the election for the Tories. Today's polling is a further indication of this.

    Hmmn.

    I wonder what this year's PISA results will tell us. How will state-run Wales fare against academy England??

    It would be interesting if Free school academy England started to shake itself out of the educational torpor that has afflicted the country since Labour took over (Labour Wales has already told people not to expect any improvement).

    State-run England against state-run Wales, you mean.

    Groups who naturally want good education: parents, teachers, and Michael Gove. It is, then, a remarkable political failure for Gove to have alienated the people who started out in his corner. Not to mention school places, school playing fields, and the paradox of the man who proclaims freedom turning his own desk into the biggest LEA in the country.
    When you look at how the teaching unions react to proposals like shortening the summer break, for which the empirical evidence clearly says is better for children, it becomes clear that their primary agenda is their own perks, rather than quality of education.

    I've also met a number of headteachers who privately agree with Gove but know that it would go down like a lead balloon if they mentioned that to their staff. One specifically told me that he had to carefully raise points on an issue by issue basis about how a particular reform has advantages, as it's the only way to get a hearing. If he had come out and said most of Gove's stuff is good, their staff just won't listen.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Just thinking about Chukka's very strange (some might even say wild eyed) notions about UKIP.

    It seems to me that the clearest evidence against his proposition that UKIP voters are less technologically advanced than other voters is the fact that, as has often been pointed out on PB, UKIP seems to get better poll ratings in the online polls than in the old fashioned phone polls. Surely this indicates that UKIP supporters are more, rather than less, au fait with email and browsing the internet than the average voter?

    Sean_F said:

    Another example of the long shadow cast on the Conservatives' natural allies by the decision to form the ECR group (aka as the Latvian homophobes issue):

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/22/jean-claude-juncker-britain-eu

    Christian Democracy does not have much in common with British Conservatism. That's why a separate group is needed.

    The "natural allies" line is a bizarre one to trot out. National sovereignty is a central tenet of British conservatism. People that believe in the diametric opposite to that aren't allies, they're opponents. It would be like the Greens being part of a grouping that supported more coal power plants to provide energy jobs, just because they're both left-wing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Comment by a new Labour veteran 'I think the next election is pretty clear. The voters won't have Ed. And we better hope they don't. If he won, it would set the party back 20 years.'
    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/columns/adamboulton/article1425088.ece
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    First episode of Alan B'Stard now on ITV 1
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T:

    Is TSE around? I'd like to ask him whether WIFI is available in the stands at Headingley cricket ground.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    NoOffenceAlan They can already ballot to close grammar schools if they wish if that is such a fear (but selective areas like Bucks and Trafford have above average GCSE results), so only seems fair they should also be able to ballot to open new ones
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    edited June 2014
    SeanF/Socrates On the EPP there is an argument, as Sikorski the Polish FM made today, that had the Tories stayed in the EPP there MEPs could have blocked his leadership and this would never have been an issue. The ECR, while ideologically purer with the likes of the AfD, never had a chance of being the largest party in the parliament unlike the EPP. While it makes sense for UKIP to join an anti federalist group, as all its MEPs are anti EU, many MEPs on the Tory side are actually pretty pro-EU
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    French politician with some words for Britain"

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/06/french-message-britain-get-out-european-union

    His biggest complaint is that we are opposing the democratic choice to head the EU executive.

    Surely the rest of the Europeans can see that a party grouping that got only 0.2% of the vote in the UK has no legitimacy at all to rule over us?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Socrates Of course Rocard completely ignored the fact the French Euro elections were won by a fiercely nationalist and anti EU party in the FN with a rather less savourary past than UKIOP
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    edited June 2014
    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Is TSE around? I'd like to ask him whether WIFI is available in the stands at Headingley cricket ground.

    I don't use public wifi, but I can confirm that with EE I got very good 4G coverage at the ground.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    O/T:

    Is TSE around? I'd like to ask him whether WIFI is available in the stands at Headingley cricket ground.

    I don't use public wifi, but I can confirm that with EE I got very good 4G coverage at the ground.
    Thanks.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    Portugal actually score a goal against the US!
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 758
    edited June 2014
    http://www.newsweek.com/polls-show-scottish-independence-vote-closer-ever-254972

    "The Panelbase poll of 1060 voters, commissioned by the "Yes" campaign, found that once undecideds were excluded, support for secession grew to 48 percent, with 52 percent against.

    In ICM's latest poll, support for separation improved by 2 points to 36 percent while those rejecting independence fell by three points to 43 percent."
  • BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    AndyJS said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    I don't know about the rest of Britain, but in London N2 Michael Gove's "flagship policy" is very popular, and this is quite a lefty suburb.

    So lefty that the people of Finchley were among the first to elect a woman to parliament when no-one had even heard of AWS's. Margaret Somehing-or-other; went on to be Prime Minister.
    East Finchley is now fashionable (believe it or not) when once it was dowdy. Hence the influx of Guardian reading, affluent, trendy families, and lots of leftier voters.

    Not unrelatedly, a pleasant two bed flat in East Finchley costs £400,000. Quite cheap for a well connected London suburb, horribly expensive for anywhere else in the world.

    London is different to the UK, and gets more different by the day.
    The situation isn't sustainable. Something has to give. Either London has to try harder to be like the rest of the country, or it should become an independent city state.
    That's just an extraordinary request. How does an entire metropolis of 10 million people "try harder to be like the rest of the country"? What should it do exactly? Fill in the tubes and deregulate the buses so everyone drives instead? Chuck out the immigrants? Knock down all towers and stick a few Beazer Homes on there? Build a CentreParcs on Epping Forest?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564
    Socrates said:



    I'm in London and at the surgeries around me it's rare to get a same week appointment. I'm now on my third surgery and have the same issue.

    If it's a really localised issue than the obvious solution is to abolish catchment areas. I'd happily travel twenty minutes on the tube to some other part of London if I could get healthcare when I wanted it.

    Yes, what's the argument against it? It doesn't apply to dentists - my NHS dentist is up in Barnet, which is nowhere near where I live, but he was recommended to me and he's good: there wasn't any trouble in signing up with him, and as you say it's worth travelling for 20 minutes to go to someone readily available. Why are GPs different? (I know this was the case when I was an MP too, but it isn't really a big issue in Broxtowe so I never looked into it.)

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited June 2014

    Yes, what's the argument against it? It doesn't apply to dentists - my NHS dentist is up in Barnet, which is nowhere near where I live, but he was recommended to me and he's good: there wasn't any trouble in signing up with him, and as you say it's worth travelling for 20 minutes to go to someone readily available. Why are GPs different? (I know this was the case when I was an MP too, but it isn't really a big issue in Broxtowe so I never looked into it.)

    Presumably it's a legacy from the days when GPs did home visits. Even now there is a theoretical possibility that they might actually come and see you if you're ill.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
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  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    HYUFD said:

    Socrates Of course Rocard completely ignored the fact the French Euro elections were won by a fiercely nationalist and anti EU party in the FN with a rather less savourary past than UKIOP

    They're Euro elections, you look at the results across the whole EU.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Socrates said:

    French politician with some words for Britain"

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/06/french-message-britain-get-out-european-union

    His biggest complaint is that we are opposing the democratic choice to head the EU executive.

    Surely the rest of the Europeans can see that a party grouping that got only 0.2% of the vote in the UK has no legitimacy at all to rule over us?

    Northern Ireland is a close parallel here. Would you say a Conservative Party that wins a UK election no legitimacy to rule over Northern Ireland?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121

    Socrates said:

    French politician with some words for Britain"

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/06/french-message-britain-get-out-european-union

    His biggest complaint is that we are opposing the democratic choice to head the EU executive.

    Surely the rest of the Europeans can see that a party grouping that got only 0.2% of the vote in the UK has no legitimacy at all to rule over us?

    Northern Ireland is a close parallel here. Would you say a Conservative Party that wins a UK election no legitimacy to rule over Northern Ireland?
    Or even over Scotland?

    :)
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
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  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312
    HYUFD said:

    Surely if free schools get good results they can stay, if they get poor results they can close.

    Good heavens! Common sense about schools.

    Rare indeed as I have lost count on the number of articles I've read advocating the closure of Faith Schools without even mentioning their exam results.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,564

    Yes, what's the argument against it? It doesn't apply to dentists - my NHS dentist is up in Barnet, which is nowhere near where I live, but he was recommended to me and he's good: there wasn't any trouble in signing up with him, and as you say it's worth travelling for 20 minutes to go to someone readily available. Why are GPs different? (I know this was the case when I was an MP too, but it isn't really a big issue in Broxtowe so I never looked into it.)

    Presumably it's a legacy from the days when GPs did home visits. Even now there is a theoretical possibility that they might actually come and see you if you're ill.
    Something else that we could (re)learn from other countries, perhaps. Come to that, I remember with great affection our vet in Switzerland, who paid two house visits, one of them late on Christmas Eve, to treat our sick cat. He didn't seem to feel it was special service, just part of his job.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    USA equalise 1 - 1 against Portugal!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    EdinTokyo Across the EU populist anti EU parties won in France, Greece, Denmark and the UK and made gains elsewhere
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    FT Westminster ‏@ftwestminster 48s
    Osborne to propose Leeds-Manchester ‘HS3’ http://on.ft.com/1sxCoDF

    Another possible high speed rail extension would be London-Reading-Bristol-Cardiff-Swansea.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    Ninoinoz Exactly
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    USA score a few seconds after I put £10 on a draw.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Israelis appear to have launched artillery and air strikes into Syria. They look fairly heavy.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Y0kel said:

    Israelis appear to have launched artillery and air strikes into Syria. They look fairly heavy.

    Do you have any news on whether the oil refinery is in rebel hands or not?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    2-1 to the USA!!!!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Portugal on the rocks.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,959
    Cash out time baby
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    HYUFD said:

    EdinTokyo Across the EU populist anti EU parties won in France, Greece, Denmark and the UK and made gains elsewhere

    Sure but they lost in the EU as a whole, which is obviously what you need to look at to decide who leads the whole EU.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    AndyJS said:

    Y0kel said:

    Israelis appear to have launched artillery and air strikes into Syria. They look fairly heavy.

    Do you have any news on whether the oil refinery is in rebel hands or not?
    Last I'd heard was no. Maliki's forces are shelling the place as if they intend to leave nothing of it though.

    I'm just hoping the USA hold on. Ive got the USA and Germany to get out of this group and its looking pretty good.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited June 2014
    Portugal equalise in injury time! Wow
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,031

    Portugal equalise in injury time! Wow

    Wow, right at the end of injury time too!
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Another fantastic match.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    EdinTokyo The EPP and the SPD both lost seats, and the EPP did not win a majority, Juncker may lead the largest party, but it was not exactly a mandate. Anyway, night!
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    HYUFD said:

    EdinTokyo The EPP and the SPD both lost seats, and the EPP did not win a majority, Juncker may lead the largest party, but it was not exactly a mandate. Anyway, night!

    It's a mandate when you first get the most seats then get other parties to support you to make 50%, hence David Cameron PM. Really, this stuff isn't complicated.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    There was a general election in Antigua a few days ago which resulted in a change of government:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigua_and_Barbuda_general_election,_2014
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    For each World Cup match I assess various criteria in determining which team I should support. It was particularly evenly balanced between the USA and Portugal:

    Geography? Portugal, because it's European.
    Politics? (e.g. is it in the Commonwealth?) equal, because both are reasonably liberal & democratic
    Language? USA (English)
    Family? USA (my brother lives in NY)
    Colour? Portugal (red = bright) rather than USA (white = boring)
    Anthem? USA (the Portuguese anthem is difficult and awkward)
    Culture? Portugal, because the Americans still incorrectly call it "soccer"

    So I found myself supporting both teams and cheering all 4 goals. After the 2nd goal I predicted (in about the 82nd minute) that there would probably be a 3rd goal. After the 3rd goal, I predicted that there was still a 30% chance that there would be a 4th goal, and that Portugal would equalise. Even in the last minute I thought it was about 20%.

    So, commiserations to all the USA supporters but still a bit of Schadenfreude at their last-minute disappointment.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    SeanT said:

    This is a stunning World Cup. Endlessly absorbing matches. Best I can remember... since... well, ever?

    It's kinda tragic that this marvellous global tournament of the world's favourite sport-invented-by-the-English is gonna be demeaned by the very idea of Qatar 2022. Absurd.

    Perhaps the only good thing about Qatar 2022 is that Fifa will insist on proper recognition of Israel (especially after the disappearing flags at the swimming) and unlike certain Middle East peace envoys, is powerful enough to do so. Whether Israel qualifies is another matter,
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409



    Speak for yourself ! If I don;t get an appointment same day I'm fed up. Provided you turn up first thing in the morning at the surgery you can normally get one of the appointments that are only released that mornings. If its really busy so you can't get a doctor you can normally see the practice nurse and she can make prescriptions for run of the mill things. But then I live somewhere civilized, not London :-) I don't think people are generally aware of the massive massive difference in the quality of public services such as schools and hospitals between cities and market towns in rural areas, despite the fact that we get much lower grants per head than inner cities.

    I'm struggling to get a clear picture of how big the issue is. Both when I lived in Broxtowe and now in London I've had no problem whatever in seeing a GP within a day or so when I ask. In both cases I've signed onto large group practices and I don't demand to see one particular doctor - perhaps that's the reason? But I've asked around, and none of my acquaintances - including Labour people who are not averse to complaining about the government - have a problem either. Are we just lucky, or is the issue very localised?

    And neither practice has the ridiculous "ring up/turn up at 815am and keep trying till you get through" system - they both have appointment books like every normal business. Why doesn't everyone?
    We have the 8.15 phone in session. But you can short circuit it by turning up at the surgery in person at 8AM or booking online at 8.15.

    Agree if you want a specific doctor book well in advance. Theres a specific doctor I *wont" see but thats easier.
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409

    Leafy areas of the Home Counties are not where the GP shortage is.

    Perhaps sub 48 hour appointments could be delivered if the parties seriously addressed the crisis in General Practice recruitment, or even aknowledged the problem exists.

    True enough. My vote is more likely to be shifted by health policy than most.

    Incidentally, every one of my GP friends heads sank at Milibands 48 hour pledge for appointments. More arbitrary targets to be met by putting something else on the back burner. No wonder the East Midlands GP scheme has 38% vacancies unfilled in the training scheme.

    Sean_F said:

    It does look as if it is going to be a tight election, so even if education only matters to a few percent it may be all the difference.

    Sean_F said:

    On topic, education policy will be marginal, not decisive, at the next election.

    That could true of many issues, which excite passionate interest among a small number, though.

    Such a pledge is but one example of a knee-jerk reaction to a problem, not a properly thought through response. Both sides do it!
    Speak for yourself ! If I don;t get an appointment same day I'm fed up. Provided you turn up first thing in the morning at the surgery you can normally get one of the appointments that are only released that mornings. If its really busy so you can't get a doctor you can normally see the practice nurse and she can make prescriptions for run of the mill things. But then I live somewhere civilized, not London :-) I don't think people are generally aware of the massive massive difference in the quality of public services such as schools and hospitals between cities and market towns in rural areas, despite the fact that we get much lower grants per head than inner cities.
    I'm in Bedfordshire thank you very much in the south Midlands (chimney country - alright disused chimney country and now Centerparcs country), the leafy home counties end abruptly when you hit Luton. We vote UKIP up here not tory like Harpenden do. There are even roadsigns with "THE SOUTH" on the A6 at the northern end of the county.

    OOOOH - the cheek of it

    ;-)
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Err!

    GPs do home visits, and are indeed obliged to do so in certain circumstances, mostly these domestic visits are to the frail elderly. They also coordinate with other locality based services such as district nurses and community psychiatric services. Under Labour's internal market and under the more recent Lansley reforms, GPs are responsible for commissioning care with local providers. Coordinating care with units remote from the practice makes the logistics more difficult.

    Abolishing catchment areas requires either the above roles end or are fundamentally altered.

    Yes, what's the argument against it? It doesn't apply to dentists - my NHS dentist is up in Barnet, which is nowhere near where I live, but he was recommended to me and he's good: there wasn't any trouble in signing up with him, and as you say it's worth travelling for 20 minutes to go to someone readily available. Why are GPs different? (I know this was the case when I was an MP too, but it isn't really a big issue in Broxtowe so I never looked into it.)

    Presumably it's a legacy from the days when GPs did home visits. Even now there is a theoretical possibility that they might actually come and see you if you're ill.
    Something else that we could (re)learn from other countries, perhaps. Come to that, I remember with great affection our vet in Switzerland, who paid two house visits, one of them late on Christmas Eve, to treat our sick cat. He didn't seem to feel it was special service, just part of his job.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    For all the criticism in advance, Brazil has organised a stunning world cup, with great atmosphere and games. Its what happens when you put the World Cup in a country with a football culture and allow fans to have a good time. Qatar will be dismal and sterile, if it actually happens.

    SeanT said:

    This is a stunning World Cup. Endlessly absorbing matches. Best I can remember... since... well, ever?

    It's kinda tragic that this marvellous global tournament of the world's favourite sport-invented-by-the-English is gonna be demeaned by the very idea of Qatar 2022. Absurd.

    Perhaps the only good thing about Qatar 2022 is that Fifa will insist on proper recognition of Israel (especially after the disappearing flags at the swimming) and unlike certain Middle East peace envoys, is powerful enough to do so. Whether Israel qualifies is another matter,
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,878
    EdinTokyo Cameron gained seats in 2010, and most Tory voters were clearly voting for him to be PM, less clear EPP voters were voting for Juncker to be Commission President
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