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And so England will head home from the World Cup after the first round for the first time since 1958.  The result may be disappointing for England fans even if the standard of play – bar a few lapses – was generally better than expected.  Lapses, however, count dearly at this level.  How the results are seen in other parts of the UK is another matter.  In large parts of Wales and Northern Ireland…

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  • First .... again!
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    You are just an insomniac Peter.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited June 2014
    Will Salmond try to show that his ancestors were there at Bannockburn.

    Will he try to do a Kinnock next weekend in an OTT rally to his troops? Of course the Cyber Nats will try to stress the inclusive nature of this battle, the English, and Welsh were there too.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Labour Election Anxiety Grows.

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/480093858567819264/photo/1

    Something in the air, Midsummer Madness. Good day to bury Ed?
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Anybody stupid enough to allow the result of a game of kick ball to sway their decision on something as far reaching as independence, should not be allowed to vote.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    dr_spyn said:

    Labour Election Anxiety Grows.

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/480093858567819264/photo/1

    Something in the air, Midsummer Madness. Good day to bury Ed?

    One former minister said Miliband could not be compared to Kinnock, who modernised the party and led a professional campaign in 1987. The MP said: "People used to say Ed Miliband was Neil Kinnock. But people are increasingly thinking he is Iain Duncan Smith. Kinnock improved Labour's standing."

    I think they are optimistic. Miliband isn't IDS: he's Hague.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    edited June 2014
    O/T
    Luis Suarez's extraordinary and somewhat ungracious anti-English rant following his two goals in Uraguay's victory on Thursday, appears deliberately designed to engineer an early departure from these shores during the summer transfer window.
    Providing the price is right, i.e. somewhere between £60 - £80 million, it would be difficult and perhaps foolish of Liverpool to stand in his way.
    I therefore expect him to leave and have wagered accordingly at odds of 6/4 with SkyBet.
    As ever, DYOR.
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420

    O/T
    Luis Suarez's extraordinary and somewhat ungracious anti-English rant following his two goals in Uraguay's victory on Thursday, appears deliberately designed to engineer an early departure from these shores during the summer transfer window.

    He plays for a team in Rod Crosby country. DYOR!
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,561
    Charles said:

    Miliband isn't IDS: he's Hague.

    And Cameron is Tony Blair? Lol.

    Historical analogies basically don't work in modern politics - the sample pool is too small and everyone is sui generis.

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited June 2014

    Charles said:

    Miliband isn't IDS: he's Hague.

    And Cameron is Tony Blair? Lol.

    Historical analogies basically don't work in modern politics - the sample pool is too small and everyone is sui generis.

    EdM is certainly sui generis. Labour has never had such a disliked leader while in opposition. Which is hard cheese for your personal ambitions.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    saddened said:

    Anybody stupid enough to allow the result of a game of kick ball to sway their decision on something as far reaching as independence, should not be allowed to vote.

    Anybody thick enough to believe that anybody would base their decision on it needs sectioned.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    Not half as nasty as cretins who believe what they read in the Daily heil
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    I see politeness passes you by even at 7.30am..
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Miliband isn't IDS: he's Hague.

    And Cameron is Tony Blair? Lol.

    Historical analogies basically don't work in modern politics - the sample pool is too small and everyone is sui generis.

    Actually, I was making the point that I don't think Labour has yet earned "the right to be heard".

    They've been following a strategy of trying to piece together an anti-Coalition vote rather than to present a distinctive vision; they've not recanted for any of their errors of the past (in any meaningful way) or showed signs of learning from them.

    I'm not a political professional, but I suspect (hope?) that the electorate will see through that when they really start to think through the issue.

    Hague made some silly mistakes as leader, but the basic problem was the country didn't want a Tory government and were broadly satisfied with Blair. IDS was a dead-end. I think Miliband is more the former than the latter.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    I see politeness passes you by even at 7.30am..

    LOL, did you read your own post you numpty, if you are stupid enough to smear people based on the daily Mail, you don't deserve any politeness. You deserve to be pilloried for the nasty numpty you are.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    It must be depressing for people like NPXMP who got elected under Blair and see their prospects next year sinking down the toilet under Milibland. Anna Soubry's majority will be heading north comfortably into 4 figures.

    On thread, I have to confess that here in North Britain there is a great deal of delight at England exiting from the World Cup at the earliest possible moment. However David you are wrong to suggest it will be forgotten by September. Your London media are still reminding us on an almost daily basis of the football match your national team won in 1966.

    Tomorrow sees the kick-off of the Bannockburn 700 commemorations with a 2 hour special on SKY. The 3 now 2 day bunfight to commemorate the event next weekend is a fiasco with the majority of the overpriced tickets unsold and a great many of us who should be there (i.e. descendants of Bruce and the other Scots nobles) boycotting it because it has been hijacked by the YESNP to peddle their independence message. The re-enactments will be great theatre but the audiences will be a poor reflection on the original spin and hype. Then again VisitScotland wouldn't know anything about tourism if it bounced up and hit them on the chin.

    It will be interesting to see how both sides try to maintain interest in their campaigns as the main Scottish summer holidays start with schools finishing next weekend.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    malcolmg said:

    Not half as nasty as cretins who believe what they read in the Daily heil
    "New information about Rowling's estimated $160 million in charitable giving ....bumped the Harry Potter scribe from our list this year,” Forbes noted in its "Billionaire Dropoffs" list.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    edited June 2014
    malcolmg said:

    I see politeness passes you by even at 7.30am..

    LOL, did you read your own post you numpty, if you are stupid enough to smear people based on the daily Mail, you don't deserve any politeness. You deserve to be pilloried for the nasty numpty you are.
    Oh Dear Malcolm, you are all to ready to use anything that supports your case, but if its the Daily Mail (Which I agree is a rag and rarely to be trusted) suddenly it cannot be true. It strikes me that there is a lot of truth to the article, given what ACTUALLY happened/.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    Anybody stupid enough to allow the result of a game of kick ball to sway their decision on something as far reaching as independence, should not be allowed to vote.

    Anybody thick enough to believe that anybody would base their decision on it needs sectioned.
    Malcolm your side is pinning its hopes on there being a 1966 element to encourage more Scots to vote YES. As I have said to you often, being down right rude and offensive to other PBers does not enhance your arguments. It just makes you look small and you are not that!
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    On the world cup and Suarez comments, wasn't a similar charge levelled at Ronaldo at a previous tournament when he played a prominent role in England's exit from it, he being at Man Utd at the time.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Morning, Happy Solstice all. I shall be raising a glass later to HRH The Duke of Cambridge and also to the victory of Hannibal at Lake Trasimene on this day in 217BC. On topic if far more relevant issues have failed significantly to shift the balance of opinion in the debate on independence not sure something like football will but then voters are a capricious and quixotic lot so who knows.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    saddened said:

    Anybody stupid enough to allow the result of a game of kick ball to sway their decision on something as far reaching as independence, should not be allowed to vote.

    People vote for all sorts of reasons, many of them trivial, many of them emotional but - if they stopped to think about it - irrational. But that's the point: they don't stop to think about it, they're not tuned in, they're not engaged. But their votes are worth as much as anyone else's.

    The Scottish referendum will probably see many people cast a vote for the first time; the sort of people who abstain at general elections never mind local or European ones. They are a highly unpolitical part of the population and their votes may be swayed by all sorts of reasons.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Dear Malcolm,

    You are doing an excellent job of correcting the false impression that cybernats are bitter foul mouthed losers. Keep up the good work!
    malcolmg said:

    I see politeness passes you by even at 7.30am..

    LOL, did you read your own post you numpty, if you are stupid enough to smear people based on the daily Mail, you don't deserve any politeness. You deserve to be pilloried for the nasty numpty you are.
  • woody662woody662 Posts: 255
    Ed is whiny amd weird. No getting away from it.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    Anybody stupid enough to allow the result of a game of kick ball to sway their decision on something as far reaching as independence, should not be allowed to vote.

    Anybody thick enough to believe that anybody would base their decision on it needs sectioned.
    Malcolm your side is pinning its hopes on there being a 1966 element to encourage more Scots to vote YES. As I have said to you often, being down right rude and offensive to other PBers does not enhance your arguments. It just makes you look small and you are not that!
    Easteross, Nobody in Scotland cares about 1966, only English care as it is the only time they have ever won anything. Nobody with a modicum of intelligence could possibly imagine that anyone in Scotland will vote based on a lucky win over 60 years ago.
    With regards to your second point , I am replying in kind as I always do , to polite intelligent posters I respond the same , if you care to look at the trash the cretin wrote earlier you will see why I replied in the same vein. There are some very nasty Scottish hating posters on here and I will answer them as they post.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    A glorious midsummer day here for the sellout Kasabian concert in Victoria Park. Its going to be a great day.
    ToryJim said:

    Morning, Happy Solstice all. I shall be raising a glass later to HRH The Duke of Cambridge and also to the victory of Hannibal at Lake Trasimene on this day in 217BC. On topic if far more relevant issues have failed significantly to shift the balance of opinion in the debate on independence not sure something like football will but then voters are a capricious and quixotic lot so who knows.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    It does sound a bit wobbly on the Labour benches.

    But too late for action methinks. The election campaignwill be led by Ed, but there is a real risk that he will be in Downing street this time next year, with his owl.
    woody662 said:

    Ed is whiny amd weird. No getting away from it.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    malcolmg said:

    I see politeness passes you by even at 7.30am..

    LOL, did you read your own post you numpty, if you are stupid enough to smear people based on the daily Mail, you don't deserve any politeness. You deserve to be pilloried for the nasty numpty you are.
    Oh Dear Malcolm, you are all to ready to use anything that supports your case, but if its the Daily Mail (Which I agree is a rag and rarely to be trusted) suddenly it cannot be true. It strikes me that there is a lot of truth to the article, given what ACTUALLY happened/.
    Next you will be telling me that the vile stuff from the NO campaign , which the Mail missed , is just imaginary. There are some idiots on twitter, internet etc who abuse people on every topic , even children's Lego sites. Contrary to what you idiots believe there is not some army of SNP supporters being controlled by Alex Salmond. It is the usual cretins that are on the web and they will comment on any topic whether interested or not.
    I do not use anything to support my case , I support YES because I want to , not because of what anyone else says. I will repeat if you use the Mail as your guide you are not very intelligent, their character assassination of people who are commenting politely on what they believe in is pathetic. Britnats seem to want to close down opinions , not happy with controlling all the media they now do not want people to be able to express their opinion on the internet , unless of course it is the Britnat establishment opinion. Have a thought before you post about people being nasty trash, look in the mirror now and again.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    Dear Malcolm,

    You are doing an excellent job of correcting the false impression that cybernats are bitter foul mouthed losers. Keep up the good work!

    malcolmg said:

    I see politeness passes you by even at 7.30am..

    LOL, did you read your own post you numpty, if you are stupid enough to smear people based on the daily Mail, you don't deserve any politeness. You deserve to be pilloried for the nasty numpty you are.
    You are confirming the fact that Britnats are childish morons , continuously whining about "cybernats" rather than addressing the topic.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Apparently.in Scotland,1966 was over 60 years ago..says a lot really..
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    have a look at how Britnats operate, supposed to be a human rights lawyer as well. Creepy and evil, not long till they will be wanting to sew patches on people.
    https://twitter.com/mikedailly
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Jim, huzzah for Hannibal!

    P3 starts at 10am. Will endeavour to have the pre-qualifying piece up shortly after it finishes at 11am.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Cyber Nat's are doing an excellent job for the No campaign. More power to their elbow!
    malcolmg said:

    Dear Malcolm,

    You are doing an excellent job of correcting the false impression that cybernats are bitter foul mouthed losers. Keep up the good work!

    malcolmg said:

    I see politeness passes you by even at 7.30am..

    LOL, did you read your own post you numpty, if you are stupid enough to smear people based on the daily Mail, you don't deserve any politeness. You deserve to be pilloried for the nasty numpty you are.
    You are confirming the fact that Britnats are childish morons , continuously whining about "cybernats" rather than addressing the topic.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    Apparently.in Scotland,1966 was over 60 years ago..says a lot really..

    With the constant whining about it it feels like more than 60 years, you saddos need to get over it and accept that you are crap and could not win anything. Talk about living on past glories.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Is Labour on a shugglie peg in Telford? I ask because I have seen various comments on Twitter this morning alluding to a possible Tory gain next year and David Wright the sitting MP having problems.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    Cyber Nat's are doing an excellent job for the No campaign. More power to their elbow!


    malcolmg said:

    Dear Malcolm,

    You are doing an excellent job of correcting the false impression that cybernats are bitter foul mouthed losers. Keep up the good work!

    malcolmg said:

    I see politeness passes you by even at 7.30am..

    LOL, did you read your own post you numpty, if you are stupid enough to smear people based on the daily Mail, you don't deserve any politeness. You deserve to be pilloried for the nasty numpty you are.
    You are confirming the fact that Britnats are childish morons , continuously whining about "cybernats" rather than addressing the topic.
    LOL, how long did it take you to think up that one.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    malcolmg said:

    Apparently.in Scotland,1966 was over 60 years ago..says a lot really..

    With the constant whining about it it feels like more than 60 years, you saddos need to get over it and accept that you are crap and could not win anything. Talk about living on past glories.
    I suppose you'll be boycotting the Bannockburn celebrations.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Blunkett to retire..good riddance..
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    Anybody stupid enough to allow the result of a game of kick ball to sway their decision on something as far reaching as independence, should not be allowed to vote.

    Anybody thick enough to believe that anybody would base their decision on it needs sectioned.
    Malcolm your side is pinning its hopes on there being a 1966 element to encourage more Scots to vote YES. As I have said to you often, being down right rude and offensive to other PBers does not enhance your arguments. It just makes you look small and you are not that!
    Easteross, Nobody in Scotland cares about 1966, only English care as it is the only time they have ever won anything. Nobody with a modicum of intelligence could possibly imagine that anyone in Scotland will vote based on a lucky win over 60 years ago.
    With regards to your second point , I am replying in kind as I always do , to polite intelligent posters I respond the same , if you care to look at the trash the cretin wrote earlier you will see why I replied in the same vein. There are some very nasty Scottish hating posters on here and I will answer them as they post.
    Voting on a football match 48 years ago? No. Would the world cup this year have had an influence had England done better? Perhaps, depending on how far the team had gone. But they didn't and it won't.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    F1: Red Bull threaten to abandon Renault and make their own engines after 2015 (they're definitely using Renault engines next year):
    http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report/12475/9356020/red-bull-considering-manufacturing-their-own-engines-after-2015

    I think that's really rather harsh on Renault. No team, engine supplier or what have you will always be dominant, and it's generally acknowledged Mercedes has done a stunning job with both engine and chassis.

    May well just be a kick up the arse to Renault, but after supplying title-winning engines for four years to be immediately threatened with abandonment speaks ill of Red Bull.
  • Blunkett to retire..good riddance..

    Yes, nasty authoritarian.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    F1: Red Bull threaten to abandon Renault and make their own engines after 2015 (they're definitely using Renault engines next year):
    http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report/12475/9356020/red-bull-considering-manufacturing-their-own-engines-after-2015

    I think that's really rather harsh on Renault. No team, engine supplier or what have you will always be dominant, and it's generally acknowledged Mercedes has done a stunning job with both engine and chassis.

    May well just be a kick up the arse to Renault, but after supplying title-winning engines for four years to be immediately threatened with abandonment speaks ill of Red Bull.

    Mr Dancer that does strike as somewhat petulant.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Tick, tock, not long now loser.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,528
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I see politeness passes you by even at 7.30am..

    LOL, did you read your own post you numpty, if you are stupid enough to smear people based on the daily Mail, you don't deserve any politeness. You deserve to be pilloried for the nasty numpty you are.
    Oh Dear Malcolm, you are all to ready to use anything that supports your case, but if its the Daily Mail (Which I agree is a rag and rarely to be trusted) suddenly it cannot be true. It strikes me that there is a lot of truth to the article, given what ACTUALLY happened/.
    Next you will be telling me that the vile stuff from the NO campaign , which the Mail missed , is just imaginary. There are some idiots on twitter, internet etc who abuse people on every topic , even children's Lego sites. Contrary to what you idiots believe there is not some army of SNP supporters being controlled by Alex Salmond. It is the usual cretins that are on the web and they will comment on any topic whether interested or not.
    I do not use anything to support my case , I support YES because I want to , not because of what anyone else says. I will repeat if you use the Mail as your guide you are not very intelligent, their character assassination of people who are commenting politely on what they believe in is pathetic. Britnats seem to want to close down opinions , not happy with controlling all the media they now do not want people to be able to express their opinion on the internet , unless of course it is the Britnat establishment opinion. Have a thought before you post about people being nasty trash, look in the mirror now and again.
    I regard the Daily Mail as a beacon of truth and reason.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    I doubt it will sway many votes one way or the other - and I see the unioníst's "useful idiot" is in full flow....".
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I agree that David Blunkett was rather too authoritarian at the Home Office, but he was undoubtably a political heavyweight, and also an example to other disabled people.

    It is more interesting that he seemingly feels driven out by the clique in control of the Labour party. Ed is a ruthless tactitian in his purges.

    Blunkett to retire..good riddance..

    Yes, nasty authoritarian.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Jim, Red Bull are getting a reputation for it, and for trying to game the system (there were genuine tyre concerns last year, but after the major changes were made Red Bull won 9 races in a row and a very close title battle became a procession for Vettel).

    I think that's why some are less warm towards the team now, whereas others, even without success, enjoy a better reputation (Williams, for example).
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    Blunkett to retire..good riddance..

    Whilst I dislike his politics I can't help but admire him getting as far as he did given the disadvantages he had. It speaks to a certain level of character that we should recognise.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    edited June 2014
    Blunkett opened the doors to uncontrolled immigration..He did a great dis-service to the British people. Lots of disabled people show great character..most don't set out to destroy their country.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    edited June 2014
    ToryJim said:

    Blunkett to retire..good riddance..

    Whilst I dislike his politics I can't help but admire him getting as far as he did given the disadvantages he had. It speaks to a certain level of character that we should recognise.
    Agreed. He was far too authoritarian for my tastes and had far too much belief in the power and redeeming character of the State but I find him interesting to listen to. Compared with most, pretty much all of the current shadow front bench, he is an intellectual heavyweight.

  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    I'm beginning to think that an EdM government won't be much different from a Tory or Coalition one. He'll wibble and wobble a bit but the changes will be only cosmetic and skin deep, full of vacuous phrases and meaningless soundbites.

    I can abstain, for the first time, in peace.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Foxinsox, when Commodus started knocking off senior men for fun the excellent body of skilled and patriotic leaders that had grown under the Golden Age of emperors withered, and he (permanently, one might argue) robbed the empire of a strong class of leaders happy to work under an emperor in the knowledge of their safety and reward should they succeed.

    A more recent example would be Brown wiping out his rivals whilst the idiot Blair did nothing, leaving Labour with a far worse pool of candidates for Brown's eventual successor.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189

    Mr. Jim, Red Bull are getting a reputation for it, and for trying to game the system (there were genuine tyre concerns last year, but after the major changes were made Red Bull won 9 races in a row and a very close title battle became a procession for Vettel).

    I think that's why some are less warm towards the team now, whereas others, even without success, enjoy a better reputation (Williams, for example).

    Mr Dancer as you know I'm not a follower of the minutiae but having caught a couple of races last season when bored I have a slightly higher regard for it. I still am not entirely convinced though.
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited June 2014

    Blunkett opened the doors to uncontrolled immigration..He did a great dis-service to the British people. Lots of disabled people show great character..most don't set out to destroy their country.

    The man who sponsored the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc.) Act 2004 did not open 'the doors to uncontrolled immigration'. Far from it. Unfortunately, however, the man's vicious authoritarianism at the Home Department continues to be championed by his successors.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    Anybody stupid enough to allow the result of a game of kick ball to sway their decision on something as far reaching as independence, should not be allowed to vote.

    Anybody thick enough to believe that anybody would base their decision on it needs sectioned.
    Malcolm your side is pinning its hopes on there being a 1966 element to encourage more Scots to vote YES. As I have said to you often, being down right rude and offensive to other PBers does not enhance your arguments. It just makes you look small and you are not that!
    Easteross, Nobody in Scotland cares about 1966, only English care as it is the only time they have ever won anything. Nobody with a modicum of intelligence could possibly imagine that anyone in Scotland will vote based on a lucky win over 60 years ago.
    With regards to your second point , I am replying in kind as I always do , to polite intelligent posters I respond the same , if you care to look at the trash the cretin wrote earlier you will see why I replied in the same vein. There are some very nasty Scottish hating posters on here and I will answer them as they post.
    Voting on a football match 48 years ago? No. Would the world cup this year have had an influence had England done better? Perhaps, depending on how far the team had gone. But they didn't and it won't.
    David, not really convinced it would have made any difference how far they went, possibly some YES votes to get rid of the commentators but little else.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Alex Salmond gives go-ahead to calculate cost of independence.. but Scots won't find out until AFTER referendum

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/alex-salmond-gives-go-ahead-calculate-3735312
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    On topic I cannot deny that I have come across several Scots enjoying an element of schadenfreude about England's travails but I find the idea that this might move anyone's vote fairly absurd. If they are minded to vote yes the motivation comes from this anti English sentiment which underlies the attitude to the football, not the football itself.

    I have never understood this sentiment myself and was cheering on England against Uruguay. But then I consider myself British first. The thread has cause and effect the wrong way around.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,608
    Sean_F said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I see politeness passes you by even at 7.30am..

    LOL, did you read your own post you numpty, if you are stupid enough to smear people based on the daily Mail, you don't deserve any politeness. You deserve to be pilloried for the nasty numpty you are.
    Oh Dear Malcolm, you are all to ready to use anything that supports your case, but if its the Daily Mail (Which I agree is a rag and rarely to be trusted) suddenly it cannot be true. It strikes me that there is a lot of truth to the article, given what ACTUALLY happened/.
    Next you will be telling me that the vile stuff from the NO campaign , which the Mail missed , is just imaginary. There are some idiots on twitter, internet etc who abuse people on every topic , even children's Lego sites. Contrary to what you idiots believe there is not some army of SNP supporters being controlled by Alex Salmond. It is the usual cretins that are on the web and they will comment on any topic whether interested or not.
    I do not use anything to support my case , I support YES because I want to , not because of what anyone else says. I will repeat if you use the Mail as your guide you are not very intelligent, their character assassination of people who are commenting politely on what they believe in is pathetic. Britnats seem to want to close down opinions , not happy with controlling all the media they now do not want people to be able to express their opinion on the internet , unless of course it is the Britnat establishment opinion. Have a thought before you post about people being nasty trash, look in the mirror now and again.
    I regard the Daily Mail as a beacon of truth and reason.

    So long as the truth you seek is nestled in the bosom of some young starlet...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Jim, after Austria the next race is at Silverstone. I'd suggest giving that and Spa (August, I think) a look. Both are cracking circuits.

    At processional circuits like Monaco and Singapore, it can be boring (although there are sometimes crashes to liven it up). At proper circuits like Silverstone, Spa, Suzuka, Texas, Interlagos, Canada, etc it's fantastic.

    Another thought on engines: this might be Red Bull's way of trying to get around homologation rules which, I believe, significantly curtail development of an existing engine. It might just be a Renault with a Red Bull label on to get around the limitation on development.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Tick, tock, not long now loser.
    Oh diddums , did you think that up all by yourself or did your nurse whisper it to you.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    Got a mirror, dear?

  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    Good to see Scotland are still world leaders in self awareness bypass surgery.

    Tick rock, soon be over loser.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    malcolmg said:

    Apparently.in Scotland,1966 was over 60 years ago..says a lot really..

    With the constant whining about it it feels like more than 60 years, you saddos need to get over it and accept that you are crap and could not win anything. Talk about living on past glories.
    I suppose you'll be boycotting the Bannockburn celebrations.
    I prefer the Britnat wake in Stirling , they are celebrating 100 years of murder around the world by imperialists. Those lovely Britnat servile Tory and Labour councilors have arranged it all for us. They do love to try and brainwash us.
    All that just because they got their butts kicked there regularly as well.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    I see politeness passes you by even at 7.30am..

    LOL, did you read your own post you numpty, if you are stupid enough to smear people based on the daily Mail, you don't deserve any politeness. You deserve to be pilloried for the nasty numpty you are.
    Oh Dear Malcolm, you are all to ready to use anything that supports your case, but if its the Daily Mail (Which I agree is a rag and rarely to be trusted) suddenly it cannot be true. It strikes me that there is a lot of truth to the article, given what ACTUALLY happened/.
    Next you will be telling me that the vile stuff from the NO campaign , which the Mail missed , is just imaginary. There are some idiots on twitter, internet etc who abuse people on every topic , even children's Lego sites. Contrary to what you idiots believe there is not some army of SNP supporters being controlled by Alex Salmond. It is the usual cretins that are on the web and they will comment on any topic whether interested or not.
    I do not use anything to support my case , I support YES because I want to , not because of what anyone else says. I will repeat if you use the Mail as your guide you are not very intelligent, their character assassination of people who are commenting politely on what they believe in is pathetic. Britnats seem to want to close down opinions , not happy with controlling all the media they now do not want people to be able to express their opinion on the internet , unless of course it is the Britnat establishment opinion. Have a thought before you post about people being nasty trash, look in the mirror now and again.
    I regard the Daily Mail as a beacon of truth and reason.

    So long as the truth you seek is nestled in the bosom of some young starlet...
    Are we allowed to say "bosom" before 9:00am ?!?

  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    To describe Colin and Chris as fat isn't an insult , it's euphemistic.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10823322/Yes-Scotland-almost-entirely-bankrolled-by-lottery-winners.html
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    Alex Salmond gives go-ahead to calculate cost of independence.. but Scots won't find out until AFTER referendum

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/alex-salmond-gives-go-ahead-calculate-3735312

    You are not too bright are you, hard to calculate it before it has happened, oops forgot we are talking unionists here any old lie would do for you.
    Desperate lying smearing Britnats down to quoting Daily Heil , Daily Retard and Liberal Voice, LOL, how the mighty have fallen.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    Good to see Scotland are still world leaders in self awareness bypass surgery.

    Tick rock, soon be over loser.
    Get a life saddo
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    Good to see Scotland are still world leaders in self awareness bypass surgery.

    Tick rock, soon be over loser.
    Get a life saddo
    tick tick, loser.

  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    England away from home have always struggled.
    They never even qualified in 74 and 78 when there was hardly any foreign players in the
    first division and their club teams were winning European cups.

    It will not make a difference.

    The only factor which could make a difference is the thought for many Scots especially
    Labour voters, is more Conservative rule from Westminster.

    I had a vote living in Scotland , I would vote yes, then you make your own choice and don`t have to worry ever again of the possibility of the conservative party from England ruling over you.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Morning all

    Speaking of celebrations, the annual migration of hippies, pagans, druids and drop-outs has descended once more upon Stonehenge. The sun rise this morning will have been spectacular, as Salisbury, under a clear blue sky is bathed in sunshine and the rain and mud of previous years but a distant memory – Normality resumes, thank God, as the daily commute so often blighted by a procession of hairies on tandems, rickshaws or those on Shanks's pony nears at an end .
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    I note @malcolmg is making a bid for Wee Eck's diplomatic service .... he may get the job too.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    To describe Colin and Chris as fat isn't an insult , it's euphemistic.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10823322/Yes-Scotland-almost-entirely-bankrolled-by-lottery-winners.html
    It is green cheese, I see they have given £1.2M to build a local sports centre in Largs. If only Britnat supporters would use their good fortune to fund anything other than labour or Tory parties. Some people give money for the benefit of others not to purchase benefit for themselves. Britnats are the latter just in case that is too deep for you.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    Good to see Scotland are still world leaders in self awareness bypass surgery.

    Tick rock, soon be over loser.
    Get a life saddo
    tick tick, loser.

    Saddo
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Morning all

    Speaking of celebrations, the annual migration of hippies, pagans, druids and drop-outs has descended once more upon Stonehenge. The sun rise this morning will have been spectacular, as Salisbury, under a clear blue sky is bathed in sunshine and the rain and mud of previous years but a distant memory – Normality resumes, thank God, as the daily commute so often blighted by a procession of hairies on tandems, rickshaws or those on Shanks's pony nears at an end .

    Sounds like the precursor to the LibDem Spring Conference to me ....

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    JackW said:

    I note @malcolmg is making a bid for Wee Eck's diplomatic service .... he may get the job too.

    You hoping to be his pie maker
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    Good to see Scotland are still world leaders in self awareness bypass surgery.

    Tick rock, soon be over loser.
    Get a life saddo
    tick tick, loser.

    Saddo
    Tick tock, loser.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    Yorkcity said:

    England away from home have always struggled.
    They never even qualified in 74 and 78 when there was hardly any foreign players in the
    first division and their club teams were winning European cups.

    It will not make a difference.

    The only factor which could make a difference is the thought for many Scots especially
    Labour voters, is more Conservative rule from Westminster.

    I had a vote living in Scotland , I would vote yes, then you make your own choice and don`t have to worry ever again of the possibility of the conservative party from England ruling over you.

    Sounds sensible to me
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    Good to see Scotland are still world leaders in self awareness bypass surgery.

    Tick rock, soon be over loser.
    Get a life saddo
    tick tick, loser.

    Saddo
    Tick tock, loser.
    Weird creepy saddo
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    malcolmg said:

    JackW said:

    I note @malcolmg is making a bid for Wee Eck's diplomatic service .... he may get the job too.

    You hoping to be his pie maker
    I've finally determined you come to PB to make the other CyberNats appear respectable.

  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    JackW said:

    Morning all

    Speaking of celebrations, the annual migration of hippies, pagans, druids and drop-outs has descended once more upon Stonehenge. The sun rise this morning will have been spectacular, as Salisbury, under a clear blue sky is bathed in sunshine and the rain and mud of previous years but a distant memory – Normality resumes, thank God, as the daily commute so often blighted by a procession of hairies on tandems, rickshaws or those on Shanks's pony nears at an end .

    Sounds like the precursor to the LibDem Spring Conference to me ....
    No comment! ; )
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    Good to see Scotland are still world leaders in self awareness bypass surgery.

    Tick rock, soon be over loser.
    Get a life saddo
    tick tick, loser.

    Saddo
    Tick tock, loser.
    Weird creepy saddo
    Tick tock, loser.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Re England football.
    The UKIP solution is neatest. Withdraw from the EU, get rid of Bosman, make it one overseas player per team maximum. Job done. Who knew Farage would be the saviour of English kickball?
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Dear Lord, please let September come soon :).

    Perhaps the BT folks can celebrate the anniversaries of Flodden (9th Sep) and Homildon Hill (14th Sep) , just to make the whole experience even more ill-tempered and petty.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited June 2014
    And whilst we are on the subject of football, Steven Gerrard can give me some of his millions to make up for the loss in trade I will suffer due to his incompetence.
    Make it so.
    Then he can sod off back to Liverpool and be miserable about spazzing up the premiership and the World Cup in one glorious season.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Apologies to Herders as this thread has been hijacked by @malcolmg and his fatuous trolling to which I have foolishly replied.

    ................................................................................

    Meanwhile .... Mrs JackW and I are heading for the smoke for some upmarket nosh and retail therapy for she who must be obeyed.

    Wish my wallet well ....

  • Mr. Foxinsox, when Commodus started knocking off senior men for fun the excellent body of skilled and patriotic leaders that had grown under the Golden Age of emperors withered, and he (permanently, one might argue) robbed the empire of a strong class of leaders happy to work under an emperor in the knowledge of their safety and reward should they succeed. A more recent example would be Brown wiping out his rivals whilst the idiot Blair did nothing, leaving Labour with a far worse pool of candidates for Brown's eventual successor.

    Very true. Something that NickexMP should think long about when they view the Balls/Dugher/Watson folk that remain festering away.

    That said the electoral research is showing that NickexMP is heading to victory against Soubry - just look at Ashcroft's marginal report from April. What NickexMP needs to work out is what is he actually going to do when elected to clean up his party and also to bring sound Govt finances to it? Or is he back to the "eat his own feet" label?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    JackW said:

    malcolmg said:

    JackW said:

    I note @malcolmg is making a bid for Wee Eck's diplomatic service .... he may get the job too.

    You hoping to be his pie maker
    I've finally determined you come to PB to make the other CyberNats appear respectable.

    Wrong it is to get a laugh at clowns
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    JackW said:

    Apologies to Herders as this thread has been hijacked by @malcolmg and his fatuous trolling to which I have foolishly replied.

    ................................................................................

    Meanwhile .... Mrs JackW and I are heading for the smoke for some upmarket nosh and retail therapy for she who must be obeyed.

    Wish my wallet well ....

    Don't choke on your pie dearie
  • PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 665
    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    saddened said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    Good to see Scotland are still world leaders in self awareness bypass surgery.

    Tick rock, soon be over loser.
    Get a life saddo
    tick tick, loser.

    Saddo
    Tick tock, loser.
    Weird creepy saddo
    Tick tock, loser.
    As reluctant as I am to stifle this witty repartee, knock it off.
  • malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    Malcolmg, please reassure the Yes supporters that SNP's ground campaign is out stripping the No campaign?

    Also if unfortunately the Yes campaign does fall short, the SNP in 2015 will oust a lot of SLAB at GE15.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    John_M said:

    Dear Lord, please let September come soon :).

    Perhaps the BT folks can celebrate the anniversaries of Flodden (9th Sep) and Homildon Hill (14th Sep) , just to make the whole experience even more ill-tempered and petty.

    John, It will be here straight after August.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Morning all. I've looked at the constituency markets from the Labour side:

    http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/the-labour-battleground-in-june-2014.html

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496
    JackW said:

    Apologies to Herders as this thread has been hijacked by @malcolmg and his fatuous trolling to which I have foolishly replied.

    ................................................................................

    Meanwhile .... Mrs JackW and I are heading for the smoke for some upmarket nosh and retail therapy for she who must be obeyed.

    Wish my wallet well ....

    Certainly better than you talking through your ARSE.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366

    I'll forgive the Scots their Schadenfreude.

    I well remember us being urged to support the Jocks in 1978. The difference is that the Scots went out with high expectations, even though they had the same wall to wall advertising opportunities.

    Their first match was against Peru and their thirty eight year old centre forward, Cubillas. I remember it fondly; he scored twice in an easy 3-1 victory. After the match, I walked out into the back garden and glanced over at my next door neighbour who'd just come out too.

    We both collapsed in almost hysterical laughter. Thanks for that glorious memory, Scotland.

    Will England respond in the same manner by giving an Archie Gemmill-like performance in the last match against Costa Rica? Somehow I doubt it. The Scots did have a good team and were hurt by all the insults they had endured back home. The English public, by comparison, almost expected it.

    Costa Rica 2 England 1 has a nice symmetry.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,496

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:

    malcolmg said:

    TGOHF said:
    Ha ha ha , Liberal voice, you could not make it up. You are really desperate now Flash.
    Still there is always Pat Kane and the fat lottery winner ....
    Good old unionists, always personal insults, all they have to offer. I see carlotta whining elsewhere as normal, like an old broken record. Just needs Scott to post someone else's opinions to make a full house on Britnat Bingo.
    Malcolmg, please reassure the Yes supporters that SNP's ground campaign is out stripping the No campaign?

    Also if unfortunately the Yes campaign does fall short, the SNP in 2015 will oust a lot of SLAB at GE15.
    Well you certainly don't see many BT meetings publicised , but YES are being held all the time. BT also never join meetings unless they are one sided and organised by them, they pull out of any meeting where it is likely they will not be able to stage manage it. Not a surprise mind you , most YES groups are run by local people, BT is just salaried yes MEN, they even publicly admit they are in it to pay the mortgage. So establishment versus the people , just a case of seeing whether they can frighten enough people to vote NO.
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