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  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    edited June 2014
    In addition, full colour photos

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/10/passport-office-photographs-row-delays

    I wonder who the "source" is?
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    ToryJim said:

    Julius Caesar was second only to Alexander, surely! Caesar never ventured as far east as India!

    I always have a tendency to place Caesar third in a list of ancient generals.

    We on PB are probably a little western-centric in such disucssions.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    The Times are reporting an Indyref poll

    A TNS poll, published today, shows that overall support for independence dipped slightly at the end of last month by one point to 34 per cent among those certain to vote, with support for the Union remaining at 44 per cent compared with the previous month.

    The good news for Yes keeps on coming.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,114

    Nice to see the DM references in header, TSE :)

    You noticed the subtle references then?
    It's No Good, TSE!

    If you think you're Walking In My Shoes, then Dream on! It's just a Question Of Time before PB is Stripped of its Policy of Truth.

    But, in your guise as our Personal Jesus, at least you're injecting New Life into the site, and I hope you Never Let Me Down Again!
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    edited June 2014

    Nice to see the DM references in header, TSE :)

    You noticed the subtle references then?
    It's No Good, TSE!

    If you think you're Walking In My Shoes, then Dream on! It's just a Question Of Time before PB is Stripped of its Policy of Truth.

    But, in your guise as our Personal Jesus, at least you're injecting New Life into the site, and I hope you Never Let Me Down Again!
    Eesh, I need to keep you two on a tighter rein.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    corporeal said:

    ToryJim said:

    Julius Caesar was second only to Alexander, surely! Caesar never ventured as far east as India!

    I always have a tendency to place Caesar third in a list of ancient generals.

    We on PB are probably a little western-centric in such disucssions.
    Oh my second is western. Agrippa. I rate him slightly higher than Caesar because he was as competent on sea as on land and helped Octavian take charge of the entire Roman Empire seeing off Antony who was a very good general in his own right.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,114
    corporeal said:

    ToryJim said:

    Julius Caesar was second only to Alexander, surely! Caesar never ventured as far east as India!

    I always have a tendency to place Caesar third in a list of ancient generals.

    We on PB are probably a little western-centric in such disucssions.
    At least Alexander is well known in both east and west.
  • corporealcorporeal Posts: 2,549
    ToryJim said:

    corporeal said:

    ToryJim said:

    Julius Caesar was second only to Alexander, surely! Caesar never ventured as far east as India!

    I always have a tendency to place Caesar third in a list of ancient generals.

    We on PB are probably a little western-centric in such disucssions.
    Oh my second is western. Agrippa. I rate him slightly higher than Caesar because he was as competent on sea as on land and helped Octavian take charge of the entire Roman Empire seeing off Antony who was a very good general in his own right.
    Excuse me a couple of minutes while I google a couple of good Chinese generals to drop in to the discussion as if I have more than the vaguest idea of Chinese history.

    Ahem, personally I rate Han Xin highly.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    The Clinton woman has the mad look in her eye again, at her booksigning 'event'.

    She's crazy enough to run, I suppose...

    If her party are dumb enough to give her the nomination (doubtful, as they preferred an unknown to her last time), the Republicans can look forward to an easy victory.

    The witch is looking rather obviously geriatric now too. Overweight, stiff, and into her 70s, whatever her birth certificate says...
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited June 2014
    @Rod

    Well, you cant call them all right!

    ps probably wisest not to start questioning the authenticity of birth certs again though ;)
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Are we back on the subject of birth certificates for US presidential candidates? This will not end well.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    antifrank said:

    Are we back on the subject of birth certificates for US presidential candidates? This will not end well.

    It might have crossed your mind that the birth-certificate goose-hunt was a diversion, when the real problem was hidden in plain sight...

    I never passed an opinion on the birth certificate; it's quite likely genuine, just like Boris Johnson's...
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    corporeal said:

    ToryJim said:

    corporeal said:

    ToryJim said:

    Julius Caesar was second only to Alexander, surely! Caesar never ventured as far east as India!

    I always have a tendency to place Caesar third in a list of ancient generals.

    We on PB are probably a little western-centric in such disucssions.
    Oh my second is western. Agrippa. I rate him slightly higher than Caesar because he was as competent on sea as on land and helped Octavian take charge of the entire Roman Empire seeing off Antony who was a very good general in his own right.
    Excuse me a couple of minutes while I google a couple of good Chinese generals to drop in to the discussion as if I have more than the vaguest idea of Chinese history.

    Ahem, personally I rate Han Xin highly.
    I think you'd be better off looking at Wang Jian, Bai Qi, Lian Po or Li Mu as decent Chinese ancient generals as they helped Qin Shi Huang unify the Kingdoms into China.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Any Smiths fans should follow @troubledmozza
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited June 2014
    RodCrosby said:

    It might have crossed your mind that the birth-certificate goose-hunt was a diversion, when the real problem was hidden in plain sight...

    Your argument was, indeed, based on an utterly spurious reading of Minor v Happersett 88 US 162.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    @RodCrosby‌
    As far as I can see almost everyone they name on the GOP side currently gets stuffed in the polling by Clinton. Of course things may change but at the moment she runs, she wins.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    RodCrosby said:

    antifrank said:

    Are we back on the subject of birth certificates for US presidential candidates? This will not end well.

    It might have crossed your mind that the birth-certificate goose-hunt was a diversion, when the real problem was hidden in plain sight...

    Oh Rod, we're pulling your leg. We know you werent that kind of birther. You didnt rely on problems with the birth cert. No, a court case in Georgia was going to sort it all out based on a proper interpretation of the constitution alone.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    ToryJim said:

    @RodCrosby‌
    As far as I can see almost everyone they name on the GOP side currently gets stuffed in the polling by Clinton. Of course things may change but at the moment she runs, she wins.

    Rod underestimates Hillary. He never thought she would run in the first place. I cant remember what she did to make him think she was a witch though.
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Neil said:

    ToryJim said:

    @RodCrosby‌
    As far as I can see almost everyone they name on the GOP side currently gets stuffed in the polling by Clinton. Of course things may change but at the moment she runs, she wins.

    Rod underestimates Hillary. He never thought she would run in the first place. I cant remember what she did to make him think she was a witch though.
    Perhaps in a past life he lived in Salem....
  • ToryJimToryJim Posts: 4,189
    Obama quacking like a lame one on guns....

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-27789110
  • dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    ToryJim said:


    Perhaps in a past life he lived in Salem....

    TSE, perhaps a thread header based upon the songs of "The Fall"?
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    It might have crossed your mind that the birth-certificate goose-hunt was a diversion, when the real problem was hidden in plain sight...

    Your argument was, indeed, based on an utterly spurious reading of Minor v Happersett 88 US 162.
    Oh dear, do tell us what you know about it then, and Supreme Court constitutional construction and ratio decidendi. :roll

    Hint:- don't go to Wikipedia, the Obot gatekeepers there have already surgically removed the facts...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    So the House majority leader Eric Cantor has just lost his primary according to AP. I assume that means he is out for good for the next election (unless he stands as an independent).
  • Life_ina_market_townLife_ina_market_town Posts: 2,319
    edited June 2014
    RodCrosby said:

    Oh dear, do tell us what you know about it then, and Supreme Court constitutional construction and ratio decidendi. :roll

    Hint:- don't go to Wikipedia, the Obot gatekeepers there have already surgically removed the facts...

    How much weight is today assigned to decisions of the Chase and Waite courts on the scope of the Reconstruction amendments? Next you will be claiming that the Slaughterhouse Cases and Reese represent the true construction of the fourteenth and fifteenth amendments respectively....
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    RobD said:

    So the House majority leader Eric Cantor has just lost his primary according to AP. I assume that means he is out for good for the next election (unless he stands as an independent).

    lol
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    RobD said:

    So the House majority leader Eric Cantor has just lost his primary according to AP. I assume that means he is out for good for the next election (unless he stands as an independent).

    lol
    If only TSE had introduced the 'LOL' button ;-)
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    RodCrosby said:


    Oh dear, do tell us what you know about it then, and Supreme Court constitutional construction and ratio decidendi. :roll

    Do you not remember arguing this with the same poster the first time around?!
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Lots of "monsters coming back for their masters" action this year. It turns out that getting the voters riled up about immigrants year after year has some downsides. (See also Con losing votes to UKIP.)
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Neil said:


    Oh Rod, we're pulling your leg. We know you werent that kind of birther. You didnt rely on problems with the birth cert. No, a court case in Georgia was going to sort it all out based on a proper interpretation of the constitution alone.

    Sadly the judge in the equivalent of the Georgia county court made an ass of himself. Some have done it in front of me in our own jurisdiction. It's quite commonplace...

    I'm reminded of a quote:- "Not until I faced the House of Lords did I meet my intellectual equals."

    They finally agreed with him that he was right, as it happens...

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    RodCrosby said:

    Neil said:


    Oh Rod, we're pulling your leg. We know you werent that kind of birther. You didnt rely on problems with the birth cert. No, a court case in Georgia was going to sort it all out based on a proper interpretation of the constitution alone.

    Sadly the judge in the equivalent of the Georgia county court made an ass of himself. Some have done it in front of me in our own jurisdiction. It's quite commonplace...

    Oh I'm sure you're very used to it, Rod!
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited June 2014
    Neil said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Neil said:


    Oh Rod, we're pulling your leg. We know you werent that kind of birther. You didnt rely on problems with the birth cert. No, a court case in Georgia was going to sort it all out based on a proper interpretation of the constitution alone.

    Sadly the judge in the equivalent of the Georgia county court made an ass of himself. Some have done it in front of me in our own jurisdiction. It's quite commonplace...

    Oh I'm sure you're very used to it, Rod!
    Used to it enough to know that lower courts, on obscure matters, know diddly squat.

    I got the distinct impression on several occasions that the judge was looking to me for guidance, ignoring the junior barrister from the other side, who had simply shot their bolt with a couple of 'impressive' sounding cases or arguments (which on close inspection would have proved to be irrelevant or materially counter-productive).

    I take no shit. I asked one judge to recuse himself (which he did), and another was hauled over the coals later by the senior circuit judge for apologising for her fuck-up to me in an emergency ex parte hearing (fee waived at her discretion). A large notice went up later at the Liverpool County Court forbidding such things to occur again... I mean, how embarrassing is that?

    Anyhow, I got the result I was seeking, which was sweet.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    My god, Cantor spent $4m on his campaign?! 100 times more than Brat. Unless I am misreading this.

    http://ballotpedia.org/Virginia's_7th_Congressional_District_elections,_2014
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Yeah I know Cantor has lost, the biggest defeat in the US house of representatives since 1994.
    This is what they thought would happen this morning.
    http://www.salon.com/2014/06/10/drudges_new_fixation_eric_cantor_and_the_rights_frenzied_paranoia/

    The victor, Brat, will face another professor working in the same college as him running as the democrat.

    Awkward meeting in the hallway "I'm running for congress" "You too? so am I. Which district?" "The Virginia 7th" "Wait a moment, I'm running for the 7th" "True, but i'm going to win" "No you are going to lose" etc etc.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited June 2014
    RobD said:

    My god, Cantor spent $4m on his campaign?! 100 times more than Brat. Unless I am misreading this.

    http://ballotpedia.org/Virginia's_7th_Congressional_District_elections,_2014

    Actually money left in the bank for their campaign is 2 million to 40 thousand dollars, so Cantor had underspent.
    I'm now looking for L. Graham in the S.Carolina primary, he is looking to win so far with about 50% of the vote though 50 is the mark for a runoff, so it's a close thing (republicans hate him because he is best buddies with McCain).
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030
    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    My god, Cantor spent $4m on his campaign?! 100 times more than Brat. Unless I am misreading this.

    http://ballotpedia.org/Virginia's_7th_Congressional_District_elections,_2014

    Actually money left in the bank for their campaign is 2 million to 40 thousand dollars, so Cantor had underspent.
    I'm now looking for L. Graham in the S.Carolina primary, he is looking to win so far with about 50% of the vote though 50 is the mark for a runoff, so it's a close thing (republicans hate him because he is best buddies with McCain).
    He still spent $4m, didn't he? (actual question, not sarcasm!)
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    (FPT)


    ...
    47. Croydon Central Majority 2879 (5.8%)

    These plus a few more for me. Otherwise Ed falls well short and lose many of these and Lab will even struggle for biggest party

    The majority in Croydon Central in 2010 was 2,969 not 2,879. This is because Gavin Barwell got 19,657 votes not 19,567 (which is given erroneously by some sources).
  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    FPT
    ToryJim said:

    Looks like the great unwashed will get a good hosing if they go looting again...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-27781673

    In a normal riot where people are angry about something they gather together in a big static lump making them good targets for water cannon.

    Even if the met after 40 years of PC beasting from the media decided to use water cannon on anybody except countryside protestors and football hoolies (which i doubt) it won't help in a shopping riot.

    The shopping riots were mostly the gang culture (which the BBC and political class deny exists) going on a mass raid. This involves multiple groups of 40-60 descending on shopping parades, looting the jewellers etc and setting a few fires as a distraction before rapidly moving on to the next target area.

    They're not going to stand around waiting to be hosed so water cannon are no use for that except to make up the shortfall in the number of available fire engines (as engine numbers are being based on "normal" use not emergencies like massive shopping riots).
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    Neil said:

    I think young Harry will get by just fine without a Dukedom. He's a handsome young chap, I'm sure there are women out there who would marry him even without the prospect of him becoming a Duke.

    and men

  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    As an aside on the riot front i'd guess one more riot would turn Croydon perma-labour.
  • JohnLoonyJohnLoony Posts: 1,790
    ToryJim said:

    Erm only one party has ever had a woman leader.

    Conservative Party (Margaret Thatcher)
    Labour Party (Margaret Beckett)
    Green Party (Caroline Lucas, Natalie Bennett)
    Progressive Unionist Party (Dawn Purvis)
    SDLP (Margaret Ritchie)
    Plaid Cymru (Leanne Wood)
    Communist Party of Great Britain (Nina Temple)
    Peace and Progress Party (Vanessa Redgrave)
    Respect (Salma Yaqoob)

    and some other woman leaders of parliamentary groups (e.g. SNP) and/or joint leaders or spokespersons (e.g. Jenny Jones, Sarah Parkin, Shirley Williams)

    and perhaps one or two in other countries as well
    http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/woman_party_leaders.htm

  • MrJonesMrJones Posts: 3,523
    #2 "Giving up on the “white working class” is a 20% strategy"

    Only temporarily. As the native working class population are replaced it eventually turns into a 50%+ strategy (as shown by the metro elections) but with this dip at the midway point.

    Also it doesn't matter any more if Lab change now because Con want unlimited mass immigration as well (except for cheap labour reasons rather than votes) so Lab have basically given them the perfect cover (PC ideology) for creating a plantation economy.


    #3 Anti-Ukip move?
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