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Labour become the favourites to win most seats at the next general election – politicalbetting.com

Five days later, Labour are now favourites to win the most seats at the next General ElectionLabour – 13/8Reform UK – 7/4Conservatives – 9/2Restore Britain – 12/1Green Party – 16/1Liberal Democrats – 40/1200/1 bar https://t.co/JRYlJV4Mfe

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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,928
    Good morning, everyone.

    Strange times when a party with a landslide becoming favourite for most seats counts as genuine news.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,339
    Jeff Bezos attacks Trump’s ‘crony capitalism’ tax system
    Amazon founder says the US is experiencing a growing divide between top earners and struggling workers

    Jeff Bezos has attacked Donald Trump’s “crony capitalism” tax system and called for the bottom half of American earners to pay no tax at all.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/05/20/jeff-bezos-attacks-trumps-crony-capitalism-tax-system/ (£££)
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 41,035
    The odds are about right for the top three. The Greens and Restore should be 1000 to 1.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566

    Good morning, everyone.

    Strange times when a party with a landslide becoming favourite for most seats counts as genuine news.

    Happened in 2003 IIRC
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,339
    As linked towards the end of the last thread, the Conservatives are calling for more air-conditioning in new builds, and less subsidy of heat pumps for the well-off. This might be early positioning for the general election, especially if there is another heatwave in the summer of 2029.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,339
    Sean_F said:

    The odds are about right for the top three. The Greens and Restore should be 1000 to 1.

    The key question for punters psephologists is whether Reform can keep its mojo and not implode as tired Tory retreads or social media embarrassments, leaving aside Farage's history of falling out with colleagues. It is surely Reform's odds that are most vulnerable to events.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    R is for Reform, R is for Russia

    Reform Makerfield candidate: Russia ‘within their rights’ to take Crimea

    Robert Kenyon compared Putin’s 2014 invasion to Britain’s action in Falklands


    Reform UK’s candidate in the Makerfield by-election said Russia was “within their rights” to invade Crimea in 2014.

    In an online forum, Robert Kenyon agreed with a post that described the annexation of Crimea as “democracy in action”.

    Under a post titled “Hypocrisy of the West regarding Ukraine in the sin bin”, one forum member wrote: “The people of the Crimea want to be in Russia, for me that is democracy in action.

    “The government should work for the people, not the other way round. The people have spoken and they have what they want. The Falklands and Gibraltar, they want to stay British, so be it.”

    Mr Kenyon replied: “I agree totally, Russia are well within their rights to do what they have done, as we did with the Falklands. However, will Latvia be next?”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/27/reform-makerfield-candidate-russia-within-rights-crimea/
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860

    Good morning, everyone.

    Strange times when a party with a landslide becoming favourite for most seats counts as genuine news.

    More that the betting odds have spent the last year or so over-reacting.

    Yes, I know about the polls and the seat projections and the local election results. But:

    1 Some of the stuff the government has done (on energy, say) has been slow-burn. Things will look different and (from their point of view) a bit better in 2029.
    2 Thanks to being in government, Labour have buttons they can press that aren't available to other parties- including the one labelled "change the Prime Minister".
    3 Despite everything- the tripping over their own feet, the rise of the Greens, the woodenness of Starmer, the inherent difficulty of being a government in 2026- Labour have remained in the top two in the polls. That may turn out to be too broadly-spread for their own good, but in very many places, that gives them a "Want to stop Farage? Vote for the twit with the red rosette." message which will be awfully potent.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,104
    Burnhams Manchesterism no different to the U.K.

    Wealthy areas prosper. The rest don’t.

    “ This is a brilliant piece of work by @tomelleryrees

    Data shows Andy Burnham’s ‘Manchesterism’ boom has been largely confined to wealthy areas like the city centre

    Towns on the outskirts like Wigan have seen GDP growth per head below the national average

    bloomberg.com/news/articles/…”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2059529832883462287?s=61

    https://x.com/jpft123/status/2059531562987696242?s=61
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,928
    Post Office investigation could take years longer than intended:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2422y4ldymo
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,942

    Jeff Bezos attacks Trump’s ‘crony capitalism’ tax system
    Amazon founder says the US is experiencing a growing divide between top earners and struggling workers

    Jeff Bezos has attacked Donald Trump’s “crony capitalism” tax system and called for the bottom half of American earners to pay no tax at all.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/05/20/jeff-bezos-attacks-trumps-crony-capitalism-tax-system/ (£££)

    Wow, when you've lost Bezos...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Thoughts and prayers for me please.

    Today's Eid and I've not been able to get out of going to the mosque today.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,928

    Thoughts and prayers for me please.

    Today's Eid and I've not been able to get out of going to the mosque today.

    Sacre bleu!
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,104

    R is for Reform, R is for Russia

    Reform Makerfield candidate: Russia ‘within their rights’ to take Crimea

    Robert Kenyon compared Putin’s 2014 invasion to Britain’s action in Falklands


    Reform UK’s candidate in the Makerfield by-election said Russia was “within their rights” to invade Crimea in 2014.

    In an online forum, Robert Kenyon agreed with a post that described the annexation of Crimea as “democracy in action”.

    Under a post titled “Hypocrisy of the West regarding Ukraine in the sin bin”, one forum member wrote: “The people of the Crimea want to be in Russia, for me that is democracy in action.

    “The government should work for the people, not the other way round. The people have spoken and they have what they want. The Falklands and Gibraltar, they want to stay British, so be it.”

    Mr Kenyon replied: “I agree totally, Russia are well within their rights to do what they have done, as we did with the Falklands. However, will Latvia be next?”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/27/reform-makerfield-candidate-russia-within-rights-crimea/

    Big deal.

    It’s all pretty thin gruel now.

    We have had parties in govt of both colours dancing to the Russians and the Chinese govts tune. That should be more of a concern.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Texas!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,149
    "Labour has 'no coherent plan' for country, says Blair"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx211r9nm3lo
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,149
    "Labour has 'no coherent plan' for country, says Blair"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx211r9nm3lo
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,429
    Sean_F said:

    The odds are about right for the top three. The Greens and Restore should be 1000 to 1.

    Hills still have Reform in top place for most seats.

  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,354

    rkrkrk said:

    Scrap net zero, don't rejoin EU, befriend Trump, do whatever it takes to stop small boats.

    Blair sounds like he will vote reform.

    God, is everyone on here fucking thick, lazy, or both?
    Charming.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,104
    algarkirk said:

    Sean_F said:

    The odds are about right for the top three. The Greens and Restore should be 1000 to 1.

    Hills still have Reform in top place for most seats.

    I’d be surprised if that holds for long now.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,030
    edited May 27
    Taz said:

    Burnhams Manchesterism no different to the U.K.

    Wealthy areas prosper. The rest don’t.

    “ This is a brilliant piece of work by @tomelleryrees

    Data shows Andy Burnham’s ‘Manchesterism’ boom has been largely confined to wealthy areas like the city centre

    Towns on the outskirts like Wigan have seen GDP growth per head below the national average

    bloomberg.com/news/articles/…”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2059529832883462287?s=61

    https://x.com/jpft123/status/2059531562987696242?s=61

    Is this based on businesses in Wigan? If so, then it’s the same problem as the rest of the country in that profits are booked elsewhere due to headquarters. If people who live in Wigan have good jobs in Central Manchester, for example, is that a problem?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,892

    Thoughts and prayers for me please.

    Today's Eid and I've not been able to get out of going to the mosque today.

    Still, you'll be able to make a big production of taking off whatever fabulously expensive shoes you're wearing and reveal the brand to the lads.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,892

    R is for Reform, R is for Russia

    Reform Makerfield candidate: Russia ‘within their rights’ to take Crimea

    Robert Kenyon compared Putin’s 2014 invasion to Britain’s action in Falklands


    Reform UK’s candidate in the Makerfield by-election said Russia was “within their rights” to invade Crimea in 2014.

    In an online forum, Robert Kenyon agreed with a post that described the annexation of Crimea as “democracy in action”.

    Under a post titled “Hypocrisy of the West regarding Ukraine in the sin bin”, one forum member wrote: “The people of the Crimea want to be in Russia, for me that is democracy in action.

    “The government should work for the people, not the other way round. The people have spoken and they have what they want. The Falklands and Gibraltar, they want to stay British, so be it.”

    Mr Kenyon replied: “I agree totally, Russia are well within their rights to do what they have done, as we did with the Falklands. However, will Latvia be next?”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/27/reform-makerfield-candidate-russia-within-rights-crimea/

    I bet Rob the Rimmer is dying to explain what he meant. If only Reform hadn't banned him from doing media interviews, must be very frustrating for him I'm sure.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860
    Andy_JS said:

    "Labour has 'no coherent plan' for country, says Blair"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx211r9nm3lo

    It's trite, I know, but...

    ... doesn't Blair look old in that photo? And quite sinister, come to think of it.

    In a way that John Major doesn't.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,429

    Good morning, everyone.

    Strange times when a party with a landslide becoming favourite for most seats counts as genuine news.

    More that the betting odds have spent the last year or so over-reacting.

    Yes, I know about the polls and the seat projections and the local election results. But:

    1 Some of the stuff the government has done (on energy, say) has been slow-burn. Things will look different and (from their point of view) a bit better in 2029.
    2 Thanks to being in government, Labour have buttons they can press that aren't available to other parties- including the one labelled "change the Prime Minister".
    3 Despite everything- the tripping over their own feet, the rise of the Greens, the woodenness of Starmer, the inherent difficulty of being a government in 2026- Labour have remained in the top two in the polls. That may turn out to be too broadly-spread for their own good, but in very many places, that gives them a "Want to stop Farage? Vote for the twit with the red rosette." message which will be awfully potent.
    The debate about how to vote in the next GE if you in the 60%+ who want to stop the far right has not yet started because it's three years away. But one day it will. When it does, the fact that Labour are the current MP in about 65% of GB seats will be important. Will tactical voters who don't want Reform vote Tory as the way of beating Reform and an unpopular Labour government at the same time, or Labour because they are the default.

    My seat is (Penrith) is a nice example. Generally Toryish, went Labour in 2024, now projected safe Reform win. There are loads of these seats.

  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,459

    Jeff Bezos attacks Trump’s ‘crony capitalism’ tax system
    Amazon founder says the US is experiencing a growing divide between top earners and struggling workers

    Jeff Bezos has attacked Donald Trump’s “crony capitalism” tax system and called for the bottom half of American earners to pay no tax at all.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/05/20/jeff-bezos-attacks-trumps-crony-capitalism-tax-system/ (£££)

    Wow, when you've lost Bezos...
    Don't worry, I read the headlines from this interview as they came in on Bloomberg, it was mostly exactly as you would imagine from a Gazillionaire Dr Evil impersonator.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,378

    Post Office investigation could take years longer than intended:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2422y4ldymo

    Whose "intentions" though? Those who might be spending time in chokey will be happy for it to take decades...
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,104

    Post Office investigation could take years longer than intended:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2422y4ldymo

    Whose "intentions" though? Those who might be spending time in chokey will be happy for it to take decades...
    Indeed. Trebles all round for sure.

    The likes of Paula Vennells will never be held to account in a court of law.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,675
    Morning all :)

    It's a paradox of politics that while there can be popular Prime Ministers, there are no popular living ex-Prime Ministers. At death, of course, it becomes very different and no doubt on that day hopefully far in the future someone will have something nice to say about Liz Truss.

    Tony Blair joins John Major in the camp of former Prime Ministers we love to hate with his "intervention" this morning.

    It's curious he's getting plenty of vitriol from all parts of the political spectrum which suggests he's probably talking some degree of sense. I'll have to try and read the whole essay when time allows.

    Is this periodic intervention as practiced by Blair and Major different to the weekly sniping of Johnson in the Mail or Truss on one of her podcasts? I'm not sure - are there any true Blairites? Were there any at the time?

    My recollection remains a missed opportunity of sorts in the first term and a second term delineated by events elsewhere and leading ultimately to a finaincial crisis from which the politics of economics has never recovered (along with growth)? That era of cheap food, cheap energy, cheap money and endlessly rising asset values was nirvana for "Middle England" which probably explains the two re-election victories.

    Indeed, I'd argue the events of 2008 remain the seminal experience with which we are still coming to terms.
  • My God, bring Tony back. He’s head and shoulders above all of this lot.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,615
    edited May 27
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    It's a paradox of politics that while there can be popular Prime Ministers, there are no popular living ex-Prime Ministers. At death, of course, it becomes very different and no doubt on that day hopefully far in the future someone will have something nice to say about Liz Truss.

    Tony Blair joins John Major in the camp of former Prime Ministers we love to hate with his "intervention" this morning.

    It's curious he's getting plenty of vitriol from all parts of the political spectrum which suggests he's probably talking some degree of sense. I'll have to try and read the whole essay when time allows.

    Is this periodic intervention as practiced by Blair and Major different to the weekly sniping of Johnson in the Mail or Truss on one of her podcasts? I'm not sure - are there any true Blairites? Were there any at the time?

    My recollection remains a missed opportunity of sorts in the first term and a second term delineated by events elsewhere and leading ultimately to a finaincial crisis from which the politics of economics has never recovered (along with growth)? That era of cheap food, cheap energy, cheap money and endlessly rising asset values was nirvana for "Middle England" which probably explains the two re-election victories.

    Indeed, I'd argue the events of 2008 remain the seminal experience with which we are still coming to terms.

    Is Major not popular ?
    I greatly prefer him to the meretricious, self-aggrandising Blair.
  • R is for Reform, R is for Russia

    Reform Makerfield candidate: Russia ‘within their rights’ to take Crimea

    Robert Kenyon compared Putin’s 2014 invasion to Britain’s action in Falklands


    Reform UK’s candidate in the Makerfield by-election said Russia was “within their rights” to invade Crimea in 2014.

    In an online forum, Robert Kenyon agreed with a post that described the annexation of Crimea as “democracy in action”.

    Under a post titled “Hypocrisy of the West regarding Ukraine in the sin bin”, one forum member wrote: “The people of the Crimea want to be in Russia, for me that is democracy in action.

    “The government should work for the people, not the other way round. The people have spoken and they have what they want. The Falklands and Gibraltar, they want to stay British, so be it.”

    Mr Kenyon replied: “I agree totally, Russia are well within their rights to do what they have done, as we did with the Falklands. However, will Latvia be next?”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/27/reform-makerfield-candidate-russia-within-rights-crimea/

    Somebody is running a very smart campaign to delegitimise Reform. It hasn’t worked before because of one Keir Starmer but I wonder if with a new Labour leader, people will be able to see Reform’s obvious problems more…well, obviously.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,030
    edited May 27

    Taz said:

    Burnhams Manchesterism no different to the U.K.

    Wealthy areas prosper. The rest don’t.

    “ This is a brilliant piece of work by @tomelleryrees

    Data shows Andy Burnham’s ‘Manchesterism’ boom has been largely confined to wealthy areas like the city centre

    Towns on the outskirts like Wigan have seen GDP growth per head below the national average

    bloomberg.com/news/articles/…”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2059529832883462287?s=61

    https://x.com/jpft123/status/2059531562987696242?s=61

    Is this based on businesses in Wigan? If so, then it’s the same problem as the rest of the country in that profits are booked elsewhere due to headquarters. If people who live in Wigan have good jobs in Central Manchester, for example, is that a problem?
    Does BAe Systems contribute to the GDP of Barrow in Furness in similar data? Their HQ is in London and they don’t appear to have an entity headquartered in Barrow, so probably not but happy to be corrected.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,459

    My God, bring Tony back. He’s head and shoulders above all of this lot.

    For a piece arguing that we need a solutions-driven politics of the radical centre I thought it was a bit lacking in actual solutions and quite long on platitudes. But I agree, he is good at putting together a convincing sounding argument. A once in several generations political talent.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,186
    Major is the model of an ex PM. IMO his reputation has grown since defeat.

    Blair could learn from him.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    @ShippersUnbound
    Further to Blair. Literally every honest sensible person in all the main parties privately agrees with all these propositions:

    - welfare spending is too high and is throwing good people on the scrapheap
    - defence spending is too low
    - the triple lock is unsustainable
    - without cheap energy we cannot exploit the AI revolution
    - we should be investing in EVERY form of energy: renewables, nuclear and the North Sea
    - migration needs to be controlled to boost social cohesion and because the boats look like a huge failure of the state
    - any new relationship with the EU will be imposed on us until we are stronger and cannot involve the closeness some desire without freedom of movement
    - we are deeply embedded with America in ways which the public does not understand and cannot be told and however joyous it makes us feel to hate Trump, disengagement at the deep state level is not only wholly unrealistic but also undesirable
    - Whitehall needs a total overhaul so specific project expertise and political appointees can be brought in quickly

    Blair basically says all that.

    The one thing he doesn’t say and which the same group of people agree on is this and it’s something Blair left behind:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2059540987995705567?s=20
  • My God, bring Tony back. He’s head and shoulders above all of this lot.

    For a piece arguing that we need a solutions-driven politics of the radical centre I thought it was a bit lacking in actual solutions and quite long on platitudes. But I agree, he is good at putting together a convincing sounding argument. A once in several generations political talent.
    He nailed the need to reform planning and to remove people being able to oppose things. As I’ve argued here constantly to much opposition.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    That the polls can shift so significantly, and on such a thin pretext, from being the most unpopular government ever with ratings that FPTP would convert into a derisory haul of fewer than fifty seats, to a position where the same government could be in the lead with ratings that, with judicious tactical voting, would see them returned to power, in just a few days, tells us that….neither the polls before nor these latest ones can tell us very much at all about how people might decide to vote in 2029
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,429
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    It's a paradox of politics that while there can be popular Prime Ministers, there are no popular living ex-Prime Ministers. At death, of course, it becomes very different and no doubt on that day hopefully far in the future someone will have something nice to say about Liz Truss.

    Tony Blair joins John Major in the camp of former Prime Ministers we love to hate with his "intervention" this morning.

    It's curious he's getting plenty of vitriol from all parts of the political spectrum which suggests he's probably talking some degree of sense. I'll have to try and read the whole essay when time allows.

    Is this periodic intervention as practiced by Blair and Major different to the weekly sniping of Johnson in the Mail or Truss on one of her podcasts? I'm not sure - are there any true Blairites? Were there any at the time?

    My recollection remains a missed opportunity of sorts in the first term and a second term delineated by events elsewhere and leading ultimately to a finaincial crisis from which the politics of economics has never recovered (along with growth)? That era of cheap food, cheap energy, cheap money and endlessly rising asset values was nirvana for "Middle England" which probably explains the two re-election victories.

    Indeed, I'd argue the events of 2008 remain the seminal experience with which we are still coming to terms.

    Yes. The essay is worth a read. What is not worth a read is the stuff, of which there is already loads, indulging in ad hominem criticism (as if this would be difficult!), or criticism based on the difficulty of doing stuff - as if we didn't know, or based on the fact that Labour MPs like a quiet life, or based on the fact that the Tory party stand for some of his things, or that he deals in a world of horrible leaders, or that it somehow harms the religion of Labour. Gosh.

    If you look carefully TB is raising the same issues as that leftish outfit the New Statesman has been continuously, and rather boringly, going on about from the moment Starmer came to power.

    The Guardian's take is typically useless:



    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/26/tony-blair-essay-labour-failings-unhelpful
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,467

    R is for Reform, R is for Russia

    Reform Makerfield candidate: Russia ‘within their rights’ to take Crimea

    Robert Kenyon compared Putin’s 2014 invasion to Britain’s action in Falklands


    Reform UK’s candidate in the Makerfield by-election said Russia was “within their rights” to invade Crimea in 2014.

    In an online forum, Robert Kenyon agreed with a post that described the annexation of Crimea as “democracy in action”.

    Under a post titled “Hypocrisy of the West regarding Ukraine in the sin bin”, one forum member wrote: “The people of the Crimea want to be in Russia, for me that is democracy in action.

    “The government should work for the people, not the other way round. The people have spoken and they have what they want. The Falklands and Gibraltar, they want to stay British, so be it.”

    Mr Kenyon replied: “I agree totally, Russia are well within their rights to do what they have done, as we did with the Falklands. However, will Latvia be next?”


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/27/reform-makerfield-candidate-russia-within-rights-crimea/

    From what we have seen, it is a common view in "Reform". The fact that Farage used to take a large salary from Putin's "Russia Today" propaganda mouthpiece is just part of a pattern. The B&%#@rds are bought and sold for Rusdian gold, with the moral compass of Goebbels.

    Morning everyone.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424

    Finally nailed "Geoff" in the garden....

    Alabonia geoffrella, the "Hedge Beauty". Been hoping to see this for an age.



    Hand-painting cockroaches is an unusual hobby, for sure
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860
    Scott_xP said:

    @adambienkov.bsky.social‬

    Tony Blair tells Radio 4 that the £257 million his institute has received from a billionaire AI investor has absolutely nothing to with his lobbying for the AI industry

    What? That's 51.4 Nigels.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,675
    Jonathan said:

    Major is the model of an ex PM. IMO his reputation has grown since defeat.

    Blair could learn from him.

    Oddly enough, and I take your point, the criticism of Major is strongest from the Conservative side. Do they blame him personally for 1997? It's hard to think of any other leader at that time who would have done demonstrably better against Blair.

    I presume it's all about Maastricht and the marginalisation of those who would eventually come totake over the party such as IDS and others. Remembering the seaside picture of Tony Marlow, Theresa Gorman and those who stood with Redwood in 1995.

    The critique of Blair seems strongest from the Labour side but also from the Conservative side. He will never be forgiven for Iraq by many and I suppose the counterfactual is had that never happened, he'd have won another huge victory in 2005 and perhaps, pace Thatcher, decided to "go on and on".

    We can perhaps agree both Major and Blair did sterling work in Northern Ireland and that should be recognised.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,429
    Scott_xP said:

    @adambienkov.bsky.social‬

    Tony Blair tells Radio 4 that the £257 million his institute has received from a billionaire AI investor has absolutely nothing to with his lobbying for the AI industry

    Let us suppose that the massive cash affects Blair's thinking. That fact does nothing to prevent reasoned appraisal, agreement and disagreement with what he says.

    Since it is universally agreed that AI is here, is here to stay, and the issues are how to use and regulate and avert disaster, the subject is bound to come up.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    algarkirk said:

    Since it is universally agreed that AI is here, is here to stay, and the issues are how to use and regulate and avert disaster, the subject is bound to come up.

    @fintwitter.bsky.social‬

     MAJOR COMPANIES ARE STARTING TO CUT BACK ON AI USE AS COSTS IN SOME CASES ARE NOW HIGHER THAN HUMAN WORKERS.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,334
    Hello from the salubrious delights of Premier Inn Gatwick North. My flight down arrived 30 mins early, a mere 3 hours before team Spain land from Madrid. In need of breakfast and somewhere quiet to work. Premier Inn brekkie is better than anything on offer in Spoons or elsewhere, is cheaper and unlimited for long form grazing.

    Anyway, enforced time off has cleared my head and now have productive work ideas pouring out of me. Marvellous. Today's lesson: worrk less to work more...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    It's a paradox of politics that while there can be popular Prime Ministers, there are no popular living ex-Prime Ministers. At death, of course, it becomes very different and no doubt on that day hopefully far in the future someone will have something nice to say about Liz Truss.

    Tony Blair joins John Major in the camp of former Prime Ministers we love to hate with his "intervention" this morning.

    It's curious he's getting plenty of vitriol from all parts of the political spectrum which suggests he's probably talking some degree of sense. I'll have to try and read the whole essay when time allows.

    Is this periodic intervention as practiced by Blair and Major different to the weekly sniping of Johnson in the Mail or Truss on one of her podcasts? I'm not sure - are there any true Blairites? Were there any at the time?

    My recollection remains a missed opportunity of sorts in the first term and a second term delineated by events elsewhere and leading ultimately to a finaincial crisis from which the politics of economics has never recovered (along with growth)? That era of cheap food, cheap energy, cheap money and endlessly rising asset values was nirvana for "Middle England" which probably explains the two re-election victories.

    Indeed, I'd argue the events of 2008 remain the seminal experience with which we are still coming to terms.

    On the contrary, I’d say that Major has grown in stature and reputation since his premiership, whereas Blair has grown merely in hubris (and wealth)
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860
    stodge said:

    Jonathan said:

    Major is the model of an ex PM. IMO his reputation has grown since defeat.

    Blair could learn from him.

    Oddly enough, and I take your point, the criticism of Major is strongest from the Conservative side. Do they blame him personally for 1997? It's hard to think of any other leader at that time who would have done demonstrably better against Blair.

    I presume it's all about Maastricht and the marginalisation of those who would eventually come totake over the party such as IDS and others. Remembering the seaside picture of Tony Marlow, Theresa Gorman and those who stood with Redwood in 1995.

    The critique of Blair seems strongest from the Labour side but also from the Conservative side. He will never be forgiven for Iraq by many and I suppose the counterfactual is had that never happened, he'd have won another huge victory in 2005 and perhaps, pace Thatcher, decided to "go on and on".

    We can perhaps agree both Major and Blair did sterling work in Northern Ireland and that should be recognised.
    A fair bit of it is personal blame for 1990. It doesn't entirely make sense, but people have never been required to make sense.

    I can't help wondering if letting Maggie lose in 1992- defeat nature's way, rather than the artificial party process that happened- would have saved us all quite a bit of psychodrama in the following decades.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,516
    Scott_xP said:

    @adambienkov.bsky.social‬

    Tony Blair tells Radio 4 that the £257 million his institute has received from a billionaire AI investor has absolutely nothing to with his lobbying for the AI industry

    And people say that Nigel will quit with his 5 Bernies.

    There’s so much more room for him to grow his career in grift.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,675
    Don't know if anyone has quoted the week's More In Common numbers:

    ➡️ REF: 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (-3)
    🌳 CON: 19% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 13% (+3)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (-1)
    ☑️ OTH: 3% (=)

    I look at numbers like that and wonder about rounding - Labour could have gone from 22.5 to 20.4 and it would be a three point drop.

    You could argue the brief pre-local election decline of the insurgents being reversed but it's more likely just noise.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,914
    Scott_xP said:

    algarkirk said:

    Since it is universally agreed that AI is here, is here to stay, and the issues are how to use and regulate and avert disaster, the subject is bound to come up.

    @fintwitter.bsky.social‬

     MAJOR COMPANIES ARE STARTING TO CUT BACK ON AI USE AS COSTS IN SOME CASES ARE NOW HIGHER THAN HUMAN WORKERS.
    Ai has for years been sold at below cost to encourage people to use it.

    Add the additional issue that as models have increased in size the number of tokens used also increases and it’s getting to the point that a human being is cheaper than AI for the same task.

    That isn’t to say that AI is a dead end but it’s going to be a niche product that doesn’t justify the current optimistic valuations
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    The 2 polls we have had from MiC and Deltapoll do suggest that if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election then Labour would win most votes and seats, if still short of a majority. Yet the Makerfield poll from Survation and the canvass reports from the seat suggest that Reform and Restore's combined votes will still be more than the Labour vote, so if Labour do win most seats at the next general election and that is down to Burnham replacing Starmer, they may have to thank Rupert Lowe
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858

    stodge said:

    Jonathan said:

    Major is the model of an ex PM. IMO his reputation has grown since defeat.

    Blair could learn from him.

    Oddly enough, and I take your point, the criticism of Major is strongest from the Conservative side. Do they blame him personally for 1997? It's hard to think of any other leader at that time who would have done demonstrably better against Blair.

    I presume it's all about Maastricht and the marginalisation of those who would eventually come totake over the party such as IDS and others. Remembering the seaside picture of Tony Marlow, Theresa Gorman and those who stood with Redwood in 1995.

    The critique of Blair seems strongest from the Labour side but also from the Conservative side. He will never be forgiven for Iraq by many and I suppose the counterfactual is had that never happened, he'd have won another huge victory in 2005 and perhaps, pace Thatcher, decided to "go on and on".

    We can perhaps agree both Major and Blair did sterling work in Northern Ireland and that should be recognised.
    A fair bit of it is personal blame for 1990. It doesn't entirely make sense, but people have never been required to make sense.

    I can't help wondering if letting Maggie lose in 1992- defeat nature's way, rather than the artificial party process that happened- would have saved us all quite a bit of psychodrama in the following decades.
    Would have had the high tax disaster of a Kinnock premiership though
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,490
    IanB2 said:

    The fortified Visconti Bridge, originally conceived in the 1300s as a cunning plan to dam and divert the river so that the lakes and moats surrounding downstream Mantova would dry out leaving it defenceless, the plan went the way of Baldrick’s and it became a bridge; the metal span (from about 1900) was bombed by the Americans in 1944, but they missed it. DFS. And its f****** hot again and only 10 o’clock.


    Serious q: I'm interested how a doglet is OK in these weather conditions?

    Around here when it gets very hot (which probably means high 20s), the dog walkers shift to 6am or mid-late evening.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    edited May 27
    IanB2 said:

    stodge said:

    Morning all :)

    It's a paradox of politics that while there can be popular Prime Ministers, there are no popular living ex-Prime Ministers. At death, of course, it becomes very different and no doubt on that day hopefully far in the future someone will have something nice to say about Liz Truss.

    Tony Blair joins John Major in the camp of former Prime Ministers we love to hate with his "intervention" this morning.

    It's curious he's getting plenty of vitriol from all parts of the political spectrum which suggests he's probably talking some degree of sense. I'll have to try and read the whole essay when time allows.

    Is this periodic intervention as practiced by Blair and Major different to the weekly sniping of Johnson in the Mail or Truss on one of her podcasts? I'm not sure - are there any true Blairites? Were there any at the time?

    My recollection remains a missed opportunity of sorts in the first term and a second term delineated by events elsewhere and leading ultimately to a finaincial crisis from which the politics of economics has never recovered (along with growth)? That era of cheap food, cheap energy, cheap money and endlessly rising asset values was nirvana for "Middle England" which probably explains the two re-election victories.

    Indeed, I'd argue the events of 2008 remain the seminal experience with which we are still coming to terms.

    On the contrary, I’d say that Major has grown in stature and reputation since his premiership, whereas Blair has grown merely in hubris (and wealth)
    Ironically I would also now say Blair is slightly right of Major, certainly based on his latest article and the Labour left despise Blair now in a way they don't Major
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,104
    stodge said:

    Don't know if anyone has quoted the week's More In Common numbers:

    ➡️ REF: 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (-3)
    🌳 CON: 19% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 13% (+3)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (-1)
    ☑️ OTH: 3% (=)

    I look at numbers like that and wonder about rounding - Labour could have gone from 22.5 to 20.4 and it would be a three point drop.

    You could argue the brief pre-local election decline of the insurgents being reversed but it's more likely just noise.

    How !!!

    I just don’t get this.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860
    kinabalu said:

    My God, bring Tony back. He’s head and shoulders above all of this lot.

    I'd rewrite as my god bring the pre GFC economy and public finances and stable cold war dividend international environment back - it's head and shoulders above this 2026 malarky.

    Blair was a great politician and a good PM (ex Iraq) but he had such an easier task than a UK government has today. It'd be nice if he gave this weighty and undeniable fact a tad more recognition.
    Also, he made the mistake that we nearly(?) all made; he assumed that the good times he got to run the country in were normal, rather than predicatably transient.

    He wasn't unique in that- I don't remember anyone asking "what happens when the oil runs out and when all these boomer workers retire?", but with hindsight it was a blooming obvious question to ask. We needed an ant but voted for a grasshopper.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    edited May 27
    The Blair Essay is a lot better than the headlines about it would suggest.

    For example, the headlines say, "Blair tells Labour to ditch net zero and drill in the North Sea," but what the essay actually says is, "We must prioritise cheaper energy and electrification over net zero and use what is left of our North Sea oil and gas resources."

    "Electrification" is the process of replacing fossil fuels with renewable electricity. It's the principle means by which net zero is delivered. The continued technological development of renewables makes them the cheap energy option in an age of geopolitical instability and fossil fuel supply disruption.

    I wouldn't see this as abandoning net zero, but choosing a carrot-led approach - of concentrating on better technology to replace fossil fuels - rather than a stick-reliant approach - of restricting fossil fuel use to force adoption of other technologies. This is a long way from Trump's ideological opposition to renewables, for example.

    I think Blair's Essay is weakest on Trump. He is in denial of Trump's weakness in relation to, and adulation of, Putin, Xi and other dictators, and the stark consequences this has for democracies. But I think that, as a starting point for a serious discussion about Britain's future it has a lot of merit, and is a more useful contribution than anything that has emerged from Labour's leadership wrangling, the Tories, or the Lib Dems.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858

    Jonathan said:

    Major is the model of an ex PM. IMO his reputation has grown since defeat.

    Blair could learn from him.

    Major and Blair were both good PMs, IMHO. Major has been a better ex PM. He is also a thoroughly decent man.
    Bar Edwina
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858
    stodge said:

    Don't know if anyone has quoted the week's More In Common numbers:

    ➡️ REF: 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (-3)
    🌳 CON: 19% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 13% (+3)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (-1)
    ☑️ OTH: 3% (=)

    I look at numbers like that and wonder about rounding - Labour could have gone from 22.5 to 20.4 and it would be a three point drop.

    You could argue the brief pre-local election decline of the insurgents being reversed but it's more likely just noise.

    Main shift Labour to Green which Burnham is hoping to reverse
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,490
    edited May 27
    Have we noted that the Pope has put out an encyclical about AI - Magnifica humanitas?

    By all accounts it is a serious and thoughtful document - no less than ~40,000 words.

    The Grown Ups have arrived at the party.

    Here's a thoughtful commentary which touches on it from Mallen Baker, whom I appreciate (16 minutes):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7cKK7R61Ts
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,615

    Taz said:

    Burnhams Manchesterism no different to the U.K.

    Wealthy areas prosper. The rest don’t.

    “ This is a brilliant piece of work by @tomelleryrees

    Data shows Andy Burnham’s ‘Manchesterism’ boom has been largely confined to wealthy areas like the city centre

    Towns on the outskirts like Wigan have seen GDP growth per head below the national average

    bloomberg.com/news/articles/…”

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2059529832883462287?s=61

    https://x.com/jpft123/status/2059531562987696242?s=61

    Is this based on businesses in Wigan? If so, then it’s the same problem as the rest of the country in that profits are booked elsewhere due to headquarters. If people who live in Wigan have good jobs in Central Manchester, for example, is that a problem?
    Does BAe Systems contribute to the GDP of Barrow in Furness in similar data? Their HQ is in London and they don’t appear to have an entity headquartered in Barrow, so probably not but happy to be corrected.
    The analysis rather misses the point (though as the article is paywalled, I haven't read it in full).
    Without Manchester's success, the whole region would look much worse.

    The question is what can be done to revive regional towns. Transport infrastructure is surely part of that, and that might also make the task of remodelling town centres for living in (a significant part of Manchester's success) a slightly less Herculean task.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,129
    edited May 27
    Scott_xP said:

    @ShippersUnbound
    Further to Blair. Literally every honest sensible person in all the main parties privately agrees with all these propositions:

    - welfare spending is too high and is throwing good people on the scrapheap
    - defence spending is too low
    - the triple lock is unsustainable
    - without cheap energy we cannot exploit the AI revolution
    - we should be investing in EVERY form of energy: renewables, nuclear and the North Sea
    - migration needs to be controlled to boost social cohesion and because the boats look like a huge failure of the state
    - any new relationship with the EU will be imposed on us until we are stronger and cannot involve the closeness some desire without freedom of movement
    - we are deeply embedded with America in ways which the public does not understand and cannot be told and however joyous it makes us feel to hate Trump, disengagement at the deep state level is not only wholly unrealistic but also undesirable
    - Whitehall needs a total overhaul so specific project expertise and political appointees can be brought in quickly

    Blair basically says all that.

    The one thing he doesn’t say and which the same group of people agree on is this and it’s something Blair left behind:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2059540987995705567?s=20

    Good morning

    I have not posted much recently, probably because there is so much division and discourse I just cannot see a solution

    However, Blair reminds me why I voted for him twice and everything he highlights is spot on

    Instead of engaging with his thoughts we have labour going into a tailspin over Irag and Blair's millions/billions whilst seeking to drift to the left that will result in simply more failure

    Blair at least has opened a debate that is long overdue and maybe listen to the message rather than deflect by raising Blair's failures as an excuse to dismiss his opinions

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,421

    Jonathan said:

    Major is the model of an ex PM. IMO his reputation has grown since defeat.

    Blair could learn from him.

    Major and Blair were both good PMs, IMHO. Major has been a better ex PM. He is also a thoroughly decent man.
    I've 'liked' that, but when Major had an affair with Edwina Currie. Norma forgave him, as far as we know. I can only imagine what Cherie would have done to Tony, if she'd discovered he was having, or had had, an affair!
    Blair was OK until Iraq, from which several of our present Middle Eastern troubles descend.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,675
    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Don't know if anyone has quoted the week's More In Common numbers:

    ➡️ REF: 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (-3)
    🌳 CON: 19% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 13% (+3)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (-1)
    ☑️ OTH: 3% (=)

    I look at numbers like that and wonder about rounding - Labour could have gone from 22.5 to 20.4 and it would be a three point drop.

    You could argue the brief pre-local election decline of the insurgents being reversed but it's more likely just noise.

    How !!!

    I just don’t get this.
    It's one poll - it could be an outlier.We don't know about sampling, weighting, methodology or rounding until or unless we get the data tables.

    No need to get excited.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    The fortified Visconti Bridge, originally conceived in the 1300s as a cunning plan to dam and divert the river so that the lakes and moats surrounding downstream Mantova would dry out leaving it defenceless, the plan went the way of Baldrick’s and it became a bridge; the metal span (from about 1900) was bombed by the Americans in 1944, but they missed it. DFS. And its f****** hot again and only 10 o’clock.


    Serious q: I'm interested how a doglet is OK in these weather conditions?

    Around here when it gets very hot (which probably means high 20s), the dog walkers shift to 6am or mid-late evening.
    I’m suffering as much as he is! We’re not doing anything particularly energetic - I’m now sitting in a bar having a coffee and cold water and he’s sheltering under the table. We get out early, shelter during the heat of the day (today I feel a long lunch coming on) and then reemerge for the evening. Italy in May isn’t, however, usually this hot - unlike the UK, the July-like temperatures are forecast to continue for the next week or more, but with some rain forecast for the evenings, maybe even a temporale. After a few days sweltering on the plain, we’re next headed back to the mountains where altitude offers some respite.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,378
    IanB2 said:

    Finally nailed "Geoff" in the garden....

    Alabonia geoffrella, the "Hedge Beauty". Been hoping to see this for an age.



    Hand-painting cockroaches is an unusual hobby, for sure
    Niche, even for War Hammer 40K...
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860
    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Don't know if anyone has quoted the week's More In Common numbers:

    ➡️ REF: 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (-3)
    🌳 CON: 19% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 13% (+3)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (-1)
    ☑️ OTH: 3% (=)

    I look at numbers like that and wonder about rounding - Labour could have gone from 22.5 to 20.4 and it would be a three point drop.

    You could argue the brief pre-local election decline of the insurgents being reversed but it's more likely just noise.

    How !!!

    I just don’t get this.
    It's one poll - it could be an outlier.We don't know about sampling, weighting, methodology or rounding until or unless we get the data tables.

    No need to get excited.
    Doesn't even need to be an outlier.

    If their last poll put Labour 1.5% too high (well within MoE) and this one has Labour similarly low (still within MoE), you can get -3 without anything untoward.

    Trying to find differences by subtracting one fuzzy number from another is a mug's game. But we do it all the time.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    HYUFD said:

    Jonathan said:

    Major is the model of an ex PM. IMO his reputation has grown since defeat.

    Blair could learn from him.

    Major and Blair were both good PMs, IMHO. Major has been a better ex PM. He is also a thoroughly decent man.
    Bar Edwina
    Is that the latest Epping cocktail joint?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,339
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    algarkirk said:

    Since it is universally agreed that AI is here, is here to stay, and the issues are how to use and regulate and avert disaster, the subject is bound to come up.

    @fintwitter.bsky.social‬

     MAJOR COMPANIES ARE STARTING TO CUT BACK ON AI USE AS COSTS IN SOME CASES ARE NOW HIGHER THAN HUMAN WORKERS.
    Ai has for years been sold at below cost to encourage people to use it.

    Add the additional issue that as models have increased in size the number of tokens used also increases and it’s getting to the point that a human being is cheaper than AI for the same task.

    That isn’t to say that AI is a dead end but it’s going to be a niche product that doesn’t justify the current optimistic valuations
    Out-of-control employees are blowing AI budgets alarmingly fast
    A rising number of businesses must re-evaluate their strategies as the technology’s costs mount
    ...
    Uber’s chief technology officer, revealed in April that the ride-hailing giant had burned through its entire annual AI budget in less than four months as staff swarmed to programming tool Claude Code.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/17da6d6fb02383c1

    Gift link so no paywall.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,490
    edited May 27
    stodge said:

    Jonathan said:

    Major is the model of an ex PM. IMO his reputation has grown since defeat.

    Blair could learn from him.

    Oddly enough, and I take your point, the criticism of Major is strongest from the Conservative side. Do they blame him personally for 1997? It's hard to think of any other leader at that time who would have done demonstrably better against Blair.

    I presume it's all about Maastricht and the marginalisation of those who would eventually come totake over the party such as IDS and others. Remembering the seaside picture of Tony Marlow, Theresa Gorman and those who stood with Redwood in 1995.

    The critique of Blair seems strongest from the Labour side but also from the Conservative side. He will never be forgiven for Iraq by many and I suppose the counterfactual is had that never happened, he'd have won another huge victory in 2005 and perhaps, pace Thatcher, decided to "go on and on".

    We can perhaps agree both Major and Blair did sterling work in Northern Ireland and that should be recognised.
    I find the Maggie-fixation an interesting phenomenon, especially after nearly 5 decades.

    I don't see that those who rhetoricise about "Maggie" actually want to do what she said and did, and she is more of a marketing symbol for whatever they want to do of their own bat.

    There are things that she was fairly clearly mistaken about, and the world has changed in ways that make some of it obsolete.

    Were there people in the 1930s/1940s still dreaming of how they imagined Viscount Curzon dealt with India in the 1890s?

    If I were to raise one point for now contra Maggie, it would be that we need urgently to adapt for a "post-Usonian" (clunky, but fairly clear as a term) age.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,781
    MattW said:

    Have we noted that the Pope has put out an encyclical about AI - Magnifica humanitas?

    By all accounts it is a serious and thoughtful document - no less than ~40,000 words.

    The Grown Ups have arrived at the party.

    Here's a thoughtful commentary which touches on it from Mallen Baker, whom I appreciate (16 minutes):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7cKK7R61Ts

    Since when have the Catholic Church been the Grown Ups when it comes to science and technology?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424
    edited May 27
    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Jonathan said:

    Major is the model of an ex PM. IMO his reputation has grown since defeat.

    Blair could learn from him.

    Oddly enough, and I take your point, the criticism of Major is strongest from the Conservative side. Do they blame him personally for 1997? It's hard to think of any other leader at that time who would have done demonstrably better against Blair.

    I presume it's all about Maastricht and the marginalisation of those who would eventually come totake over the party such as IDS and others. Remembering the seaside picture of Tony Marlow, Theresa Gorman and those who stood with Redwood in 1995.

    The critique of Blair seems strongest from the Labour side but also from the Conservative side. He will never be forgiven for Iraq by many and I suppose the counterfactual is had that never happened, he'd have won another huge victory in 2005 and perhaps, pace Thatcher, decided to "go on and on".

    We can perhaps agree both Major and Blair did sterling work in Northern Ireland and that should be recognised.
    I find the Maggie-fixation an interesting phenomenon, especially after nearly 5 decades.

    I don't see that those who rhetoricise about "Maggie" actually want to do what she said and did, and she is more of a marketing symbol for whatever they want to do of their own bat.

    There are things that she was fairly clearly mistaken about, and the world has changed in ways that make some of it obsolete.

    Were there people in the 1930s/1940s still dreaming of how they imagined Viscount Curzon dealt with India in the 1890s?

    Wasn’t that Churchill himself?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,615
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    algarkirk said:

    Since it is universally agreed that AI is here, is here to stay, and the issues are how to use and regulate and avert disaster, the subject is bound to come up.

    @fintwitter.bsky.social‬

     MAJOR COMPANIES ARE STARTING TO CUT BACK ON AI USE AS COSTS IN SOME CASES ARE NOW HIGHER THAN HUMAN WORKERS.
    Ai has for years been sold at below cost to encourage people to use it.

    Add the additional issue that as models have increased in size the number of tokens used also increases and it’s getting to the point that a human being is cheaper than AI for the same task.

    That isn’t to say that AI is a dead end but it’s going to be a niche product that doesn’t justify the current optimistic valuations
    That's far from clear.
    But a bubble does seem to be forming.

    The race to be first has driven up margins on what was commodity hardware to unprecedented levels (Micron just became a trillion dollar company on the back of that), while manufacturers of the more advanced kit (TSMC, followed by Samsung and SK Hynix etc) are enjoying even higher gross margins on record volumes.

    Chip manufacturing accounted for around 0.5% off global GDP at the beginning of the decades; it's now on the way to 2%.

    That growth and those margins aren't sustainable for long, and a customer strike might pop the bubble in a similar manner to the previous internet one.

    It's not a straight comparison, though, as unlike the first proliferation of overpriced dotcoms, these companies are generating large cash flows at the moment.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,892
    MattW said:

    Have we noted that the Pope has put out an encyclical about AI - Magnifica humanitas?

    By all accounts it is a serious and thoughtful document - no less than ~40,000 words.

    The Grown Ups have arrived at the party.

    Here's a thoughtful commentary which touches on it from Mallen Baker, whom I appreciate (16 minutes):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7cKK7R61Ts

    I sense the arrival of the grown ups at the party isn't going to calm the shit-smeared kids on sugar highs from changing their behaviour.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,914

    Scott_xP said:

    @ShippersUnbound
    Further to Blair. Literally every honest sensible person in all the main parties privately agrees with all these propositions:

    - welfare spending is too high and is throwing good people on the scrapheap
    - defence spending is too low
    - the triple lock is unsustainable
    - without cheap energy we cannot exploit the AI revolution
    - we should be investing in EVERY form of energy: renewables, nuclear and the North Sea
    - migration needs to be controlled to boost social cohesion and because the boats look like a huge failure of the state
    - any new relationship with the EU will be imposed on us until we are stronger and cannot involve the closeness some desire without freedom of movement
    - we are deeply embedded with America in ways which the public does not understand and cannot be told and however joyous it makes us feel to hate Trump, disengagement at the deep state level is not only wholly unrealistic but also undesirable
    - Whitehall needs a total overhaul so specific project expertise and political appointees can be brought in quickly

    Blair basically says all that.

    The one thing he doesn’t say and which the same group of people agree on is this and it’s something Blair left behind:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2059540987995705567?s=20

    Good morning

    I have not posted much recently, probably because there is so much division and discourse I just cannot see a solution

    However, Blair reminds me why I voted for him twice and everything he highlights is spot on

    Instead of engaging with his thoughts we have labour going into a tailspin over Irag and Blair's millions/billions whilst seeking to drift to the left that will result in simply more failure

    Blair at least has opened a debate that is long overdue and maybe listen to the message rather than deflect by raising Blair's failures as an excuse to dismiss his opinions

    The problem with the boats is that although they are highly visible it restricts the number who arrive here and apply for asylum.

    Attach that to the fact that most (well over 50%) of those applying will get asylum and every other option is worse because while it would remove the visible boats it will increase the total number of people arriving with valid claims.

    So there is no fix without changing global asylum rules and while most of Europe agree the practical side is rather difficult
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,128
    edited May 27
    The best endorsement I've seen for Andy Burnham comes in the last five minutes of 'The Rest is Politics'. Most of it is about Trump being 'The most corrupt poitician of all time' (Well worth listening to and leaves you open mouthed!) but at the end they have a millenial who has been doing some market research with MORI and she went to Manchester and met Burnham and said the only other politician she had ever met who had this sort of connection with the public was Boris.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s568yek7m8s
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,615

    kinabalu said:

    My God, bring Tony back. He’s head and shoulders above all of this lot.

    I'd rewrite as my god bring the pre GFC economy and public finances and stable cold war dividend international environment back - it's head and shoulders above this 2026 malarky.

    Blair was a great politician and a good PM (ex Iraq) but he had such an easier task than a UK government has today. It'd be nice if he gave this weighty and undeniable fact a tad more recognition.
    Also, he made the mistake that we nearly(?) all made; he assumed that the good times he got to run the country in were normal, rather than predicatably transient.

    He wasn't unique in that- I don't remember anyone asking "what happens when the oil runs out and when all these boomer workers retire?", but with hindsight it was a blooming obvious question to ask. We needed an ant but voted for a grasshopper.
    I can recall that being debated back when the oil started flowing during Mrs Thatcher's time in office.
    It then got forgotten about in the glow of the Thatcherite miracle.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,011
    edited May 27
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Jonathan said:

    Major is the model of an ex PM. IMO his reputation has grown since defeat.

    Blair could learn from him.

    Oddly enough, and I take your point, the criticism of Major is strongest from the Conservative side. Do they blame him personally for 1997? It's hard to think of any other leader at that time who would have done demonstrably better against Blair.

    I presume it's all about Maastricht and the marginalisation of those who would eventually come totake over the party such as IDS and others. Remembering the seaside picture of Tony Marlow, Theresa Gorman and those who stood with Redwood in 1995.

    The critique of Blair seems strongest from the Labour side but also from the Conservative side. He will never be forgiven for Iraq by many and I suppose the counterfactual is had that never happened, he'd have won another huge victory in 2005 and perhaps, pace Thatcher, decided to "go on and on".

    We can perhaps agree both Major and Blair did sterling work in Northern Ireland and that should be recognised.
    A fair bit of it is personal blame for 1990. It doesn't entirely make sense, but people have never been required to make sense.

    I can't help wondering if letting Maggie lose in 1992- defeat nature's way, rather than the artificial party process that happened- would have saved us all quite a bit of psychodrama in the following decades.
    Would have had the high tax disaster of a Kinnock premiership though
    'High tax disaster' as in taxes still lower than most Scandanavian countries, Germany, France etc...

    Yes, I can see from the shocking state of those countries what a terrible disaster that would have been.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860

    MattW said:

    Have we noted that the Pope has put out an encyclical about AI - Magnifica humanitas?

    By all accounts it is a serious and thoughtful document - no less than ~40,000 words.

    The Grown Ups have arrived at the party.

    Here's a thoughtful commentary which touches on it from Mallen Baker, whom I appreciate (16 minutes):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7cKK7R61Ts

    Since when have the Catholic Church been the Grown Ups when it comes to science and technology?
    If you're talking science and technology as themselves, not so great.

    If you're talking the interaction between fast-changing technology and slow-changing people, then religious traditions have an awful lot to say, some of it pretty wise. No institution survives that long without applying some insight into the human condition.

    You don't have to agree with all of this, but there are some good points clearly made in this official summary;

    https://www.cbcew.org.uk/magnifica-humanitas-overview/
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,760
    stodge said:

    Taz said:

    stodge said:

    Don't know if anyone has quoted the week's More In Common numbers:

    ➡️ REF: 30% (+1)
    🌹 LAB: 20% (-3)
    🌳 CON: 19% (+1)
    🟢 GRN: 13% (+3)
    🔶 LDEM: 12% (-1)
    ☑️ OTH: 3% (=)

    I look at numbers like that and wonder about rounding - Labour could have gone from 22.5 to 20.4 and it would be a three point drop.

    You could argue the brief pre-local election decline of the insurgents being reversed but it's more likely just noise.

    How !!!

    I just don’t get this.
    It's one poll - it could be an outlier.We don't know about sampling, weighting, methodology or rounding until or unless we get the data tables.

    No need to get excited.
    Most likely the last one was the outlier.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,421
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ShippersUnbound
    Further to Blair. Literally every honest sensible person in all the main parties privately agrees with all these propositions:

    - welfare spending is too high and is throwing good people on the scrapheap
    - defence spending is too low
    - the triple lock is unsustainable
    - without cheap energy we cannot exploit the AI revolution
    - we should be investing in EVERY form of energy: renewables, nuclear and the North Sea
    - migration needs to be controlled to boost social cohesion and because the boats look like a huge failure of the state
    - any new relationship with the EU will be imposed on us until we are stronger and cannot involve the closeness some desire without freedom of movement
    - we are deeply embedded with America in ways which the public does not understand and cannot be told and however joyous it makes us feel to hate Trump, disengagement at the deep state level is not only wholly unrealistic but also undesirable
    - Whitehall needs a total overhaul so specific project expertise and political appointees can be brought in quickly

    Blair basically says all that.

    The one thing he doesn’t say and which the same group of people agree on is this and it’s something Blair left behind:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2059540987995705567?s=20

    Good morning

    I have not posted much recently, probably because there is so much division and discourse I just cannot see a solution

    However, Blair reminds me why I voted for him twice and everything he highlights is spot on

    Instead of engaging with his thoughts we have labour going into a tailspin over Irag and Blair's millions/billions whilst seeking to drift to the left that will result in simply more failure

    Blair at least has opened a debate that is long overdue and maybe listen to the message rather than deflect by raising Blair's failures as an excuse to dismiss his opinions

    The problem with the boats is that although they are highly visible it restricts the number who arrive here and apply for asylum.

    Attach that to the fact that most (well over 50%) of those applying will get asylum and every other option is worse because while it would remove the visible boats it will increase the total number of people arriving with valid claims.

    So there is no fix without changing global asylum rules and while most of Europe agree the practical side is rather difficult
    Somebody made the point yesterday (I think) that we've not had figures (guesstimates?) for illegal crossings for some time. Of course, it's ben a bit breezy (here anyway) so that might have put people off.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,339
    IanB2 said:

    MattW said:

    stodge said:

    Jonathan said:

    Major is the model of an ex PM. IMO his reputation has grown since defeat.

    Blair could learn from him.

    Oddly enough, and I take your point, the criticism of Major is strongest from the Conservative side. Do they blame him personally for 1997? It's hard to think of any other leader at that time who would have done demonstrably better against Blair.

    I presume it's all about Maastricht and the marginalisation of those who would eventually come totake over the party such as IDS and others. Remembering the seaside picture of Tony Marlow, Theresa Gorman and those who stood with Redwood in 1995.

    The critique of Blair seems strongest from the Labour side but also from the Conservative side. He will never be forgiven for Iraq by many and I suppose the counterfactual is had that never happened, he'd have won another huge victory in 2005 and perhaps, pace Thatcher, decided to "go on and on".

    We can perhaps agree both Major and Blair did sterling work in Northern Ireland and that should be recognised.
    I find the Maggie-fixation an interesting phenomenon, especially after nearly 5 decades.

    I don't see that those who rhetoricise about "Maggie" actually want to do what she said and did, and she is more of a marketing symbol for whatever they want to do of their own bat.

    There are things that she was fairly clearly mistaken about, and the world has changed in ways that make some of it obsolete.

    Were there people in the 1930s/1940s still dreaming of how they imagined Viscount Curzon dealt with India in the 1890s?

    Wasn’t that Churchill himself?
    What was the old saw about Churchill? Something like: He was wrong about everything except the one thing that really mattered.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,615

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    Jonathan said:

    Major is the model of an ex PM. IMO his reputation has grown since defeat.

    Blair could learn from him.

    Oddly enough, and I take your point, the criticism of Major is strongest from the Conservative side. Do they blame him personally for 1997? It's hard to think of any other leader at that time who would have done demonstrably better against Blair.

    I presume it's all about Maastricht and the marginalisation of those who would eventually come totake over the party such as IDS and others. Remembering the seaside picture of Tony Marlow, Theresa Gorman and those who stood with Redwood in 1995.

    The critique of Blair seems strongest from the Labour side but also from the Conservative side. He will never be forgiven for Iraq by many and I suppose the counterfactual is had that never happened, he'd have won another huge victory in 2005 and perhaps, pace Thatcher, decided to "go on and on".

    We can perhaps agree both Major and Blair did sterling work in Northern Ireland and that should be recognised.
    A fair bit of it is personal blame for 1990. It doesn't entirely make sense, but people have never been required to make sense.

    I can't help wondering if letting Maggie lose in 1992- defeat nature's way, rather than the artificial party process that happened- would have saved us all quite a bit of psychodrama in the following decades.
    Would have had the high tax disaster of a Kinnock premiership though
    'High tax disaster' as in taxes still lower than most Scandanavian countries, Germany, France etc...

    Yes, I can see from the shocking state of those countries what a terrible disaster that would have been.
    The Scandinavians, at least, have far better records on business investment than do we.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,675
    edited May 27
    On some of the key points in the Blair Essay as mentioned by Shipman.

    welfare spending is too high and is throwing good people on the scrapheap- I don't understand.

    defence spending is too low - I don't agree. I think the "threat" from Russia is being overstated to create a climate in which increased defence spending (especially simultaenous with cuts in welfare) can be sold. Yes, we can move a little higher but whan I see 5% of GDP being mentioned, no, not sustainable.

    the triple lock is unsustainable yes but as we all know pensioners vote and turkeys rarely vote for Christmas. It can be sold within the context of a general belt tightening.

    without cheap energy we cannot exploit the AI revolution - we can do a lot with cheap energy but from where is that cheap energy coming? I'd argue if we could get back to the kind of energy pricing we enjoyed in the early 2000s we'd see economic growth resume. I'd also question the amount of energy wr use to store all the data we are creating and look at data de-carbonisation.

    we should be investing in EVERY form of energy: renewables, nuclear and the North Sea - quite right.

    migration needs to be controlled to boost social cohesion and because the boats look like a huge failure of the state
    - like everyone else, he has no answer to the "small boats" but at least he isn't talking about wide scale deportation.

    any new relationship with the EU will be imposed on us until we are stronger and cannot involve the closeness some desire without freedom of movement - I'm afraid those who want us to Rejoin miss this point. FoM and the Single Currency have never been popular and until they become so we will be outside the EU.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,490
    IanB2 said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    The fortified Visconti Bridge, originally conceived in the 1300s as a cunning plan to dam and divert the river so that the lakes and moats surrounding downstream Mantova would dry out leaving it defenceless, the plan went the way of Baldrick’s and it became a bridge; the metal span (from about 1900) was bombed by the Americans in 1944, but they missed it. DFS. And its f****** hot again and only 10 o’clock.


    Serious q: I'm interested how a doglet is OK in these weather conditions?

    Around here when it gets very hot (which probably means high 20s), the dog walkers shift to 6am or mid-late evening.
    I’m suffering as much as he is! We’re not doing anything particularly energetic - I’m now sitting in a bar having a coffee and cold water and he’s sheltering under the table. We get out early, shelter during the heat of the day (today I feel a long lunch coming on) and then reemerge for the evening. Italy in May isn’t, however, usually this hot - unlike the UK, the July-like temperatures are forecast to continue for the next week or more, but with some rain forecast for the evenings, maybe even a temporale. After a few days sweltering on the plain, we’re next headed back to the mountains where altitude offers some respite.
    Thank-you. Have a fantastic holiday.

    A further thought for a component of your alternative career - I think there may be a (possibly easier to manage logistically than something on the continental) niche for lead-walks on lesser known longish (several days to a week) UK routes. There are long distance paths everywhere. I think here we have a more intricate and interesting historical landscape than almost anywhere else. In Derbyshire one could be created around the well dressing calendar.

    I can even imagine something interesting "long distance walk with your dog" as an added value, Though that could queer visits to local attractions (National Trust< English Heritage.

    I constantly get adverts for such through, for example, Ramblers, National Trust, Cycling UK and other periodicals.

    One thing I am itching to do as I get older is what in cycling we call "source to the sea" routes. Yes, I'd love to cycle the Rhine, but the Derwent will be just as good and is only a couple of days.

    Musings.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,914

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ShippersUnbound
    Further to Blair. Literally every honest sensible person in all the main parties privately agrees with all these propositions:

    - welfare spending is too high and is throwing good people on the scrapheap
    - defence spending is too low
    - the triple lock is unsustainable
    - without cheap energy we cannot exploit the AI revolution
    - we should be investing in EVERY form of energy: renewables, nuclear and the North Sea
    - migration needs to be controlled to boost social cohesion and because the boats look like a huge failure of the state
    - any new relationship with the EU will be imposed on us until we are stronger and cannot involve the closeness some desire without freedom of movement
    - we are deeply embedded with America in ways which the public does not understand and cannot be told and however joyous it makes us feel to hate Trump, disengagement at the deep state level is not only wholly unrealistic but also undesirable
    - Whitehall needs a total overhaul so specific project expertise and political appointees can be brought in quickly

    Blair basically says all that.

    The one thing he doesn’t say and which the same group of people agree on is this and it’s something Blair left behind:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2059540987995705567?s=20

    Good morning

    I have not posted much recently, probably because there is so much division and discourse I just cannot see a solution

    However, Blair reminds me why I voted for him twice and everything he highlights is spot on

    Instead of engaging with his thoughts we have labour going into a tailspin over Irag and Blair's millions/billions whilst seeking to drift to the left that will result in simply more failure

    Blair at least has opened a debate that is long overdue and maybe listen to the message rather than deflect by raising Blair's failures as an excuse to dismiss his opinions

    The problem with the boats is that although they are highly visible it restricts the number who arrive here and apply for asylum.

    Attach that to the fact that most (well over 50%) of those applying will get asylum and every other option is worse because while it would remove the visible boats it will increase the total number of people arriving with valid claims.

    So there is no fix without changing global asylum rules and while most of Europe agree the practical side is rather difficult
    Somebody made the point yesterday (I think) that we've not had figures (guesstimates?) for illegal crossings for some time. Of course, it's ben a bit breezy (here anyway) so that might have put people off.
    The figures are published at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days over 1000 over the past 4 days but none in the weeks before that
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,421
    Roger said:

    The best endorsement I've seen for Andy Burnham comes in the last five minutes of 'The Rest is Politics'. Most of it is about Trump being 'The most corrupt poitician of all time' (Well worth listening to and leaves you open mouthed!) but at the end they have a millenial who has been doing some market research with MORI and she went to Manchester and met Burnham and said the only other politician she had ever met who had this sort of connection with the public was Boris.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s568yek7m8s

    "the only other politician she had ever met who had this sort of connection with the public was Boris. "

    Is that supposed to be a recommendation?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ShippersUnbound
    Further to Blair. Literally every honest sensible person in all the main parties privately agrees with all these propositions:

    - welfare spending is too high and is throwing good people on the scrapheap
    - defence spending is too low
    - the triple lock is unsustainable
    - without cheap energy we cannot exploit the AI revolution
    - we should be investing in EVERY form of energy: renewables, nuclear and the North Sea
    - migration needs to be controlled to boost social cohesion and because the boats look like a huge failure of the state
    - any new relationship with the EU will be imposed on us until we are stronger and cannot involve the closeness some desire without freedom of movement
    - we are deeply embedded with America in ways which the public does not understand and cannot be told and however joyous it makes us feel to hate Trump, disengagement at the deep state level is not only wholly unrealistic but also undesirable
    - Whitehall needs a total overhaul so specific project expertise and political appointees can be brought in quickly

    Blair basically says all that.

    The one thing he doesn’t say and which the same group of people agree on is this and it’s something Blair left behind:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2059540987995705567?s=20

    Good morning

    I have not posted much recently, probably because there is so much division and discourse I just cannot see a solution

    However, Blair reminds me why I voted for him twice and everything he highlights is spot on

    Instead of engaging with his thoughts we have labour going into a tailspin over Irag and Blair's millions/billions whilst seeking to drift to the left that will result in simply more failure

    Blair at least has opened a debate that is long overdue and maybe listen to the message rather than deflect by raising Blair's failures as an excuse to dismiss his opinions

    The problem with the boats is that although they are highly visible it restricts the number who arrive here and apply for asylum.

    Attach that to the fact that most (well over 50%) of those applying will get asylum and every other option is worse because while it would remove the visible boats it will increase the total number of people arriving with valid claims.

    So there is no fix without changing global asylum rules and while most of Europe agree the practical side is rather difficult
    Somebody made the point yesterday (I think) that we've not had figures (guesstimates?) for illegal crossings for some time. Of course, it's ben a bit breezy (here anyway) so that might have put people off.
    Figures are here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

    Appear to be updated daily.

    Politicians/media only refer to them when they can use them to make a point.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,315
    edited May 27

    The Blair Essay is a lot better than the headlines about it would suggest.

    For example, the headlines say, "Blair tells Labour to ditch net zero and drill in the North Sea," but what the essay actually says is, "We must prioritise cheaper energy and electrification over net zero and use what is left of our North Sea oil and gas resources."

    "Electrification" is the process of replacing fossil fuels with renewable electricity. It's the principle means by which net zero is delivered. The continued technological development of renewables makes them the cheap energy option in an age of geopolitical instability and fossil fuel supply disruption.

    I wouldn't see this as abandoning net zero, but choosing a carrot-led approach - of concentrating on better technology to replace fossil fuels - rather than a stick-reliant approach - of restricting fossil fuel use to force adoption of other technologies. This is a long way from Trump's ideological opposition to renewables, for example.

    I think Blair's Essay is weakest on Trump. He is in denial of Trump's weakness in relation to, and adulation of, Putin, Xi and other dictators, and the stark consequences this has for democracies. But I think that, as a starting point for a serious discussion about Britain's future it has a lot of merit, and is a more useful contribution than anything that has emerged from Labour's leadership wrangling, the Tories, or the Lib Dems.

    The problem is that if every country decides to use what is left of their fossil fuel reserves, the world is doomed. How can we avoid this?
  • eekeek Posts: 33,914
    edited May 27
    stodge said:

    On some of the key points in the Blair Essay as mentioned by Shipman.

    welfare spending is too high and is throwing good people on the scrapheap- I don't understand.

    defence spending is too low - I don't agree. I think the "threat" from Russia is being overstated to create a climate in which increased defence spending (especially simultaenous with cuts in welfare) can be sold. Yes, we can move a little higher but whan I see 5% of GDP being mentioned, no, not sustainable.

    the triple lock is unsustainable yes but as we all know pensioners vote and turkeys rarely vote for Christmas. It can be sold within the context of a general belt tightening.

    without cheap energy we cannot exploit the AI revolution - we can do a lot with cheap energy but from where is that cheap energy coming? I'd argue if we could get back to the kind of energy pricing we enjoyed in the early 2000s we'd see economic growth resume. I'd also question the amount of energy wr use to store all the data we are creating and look at data de-carbonisation.

    we should be investing in EVERY form of energy: renewables, nuclear and the North Sea - quite right.

    migration needs to be controlled to boost social cohesion and because the boats look like a huge failure of the state
    - like everyone else, he has no answer to the "small boats" but at least he isn't talking about wide scale deportation.

    any new relationship with the EU will be imposed on us until we are stronger and cannot involve the closeness some desire without freedom of movement - I'm afraid those who want us to Rejoin miss this point. FoM and the Single Currency have never been popular and until they become so we will be outside the EU.

    I’m at a loss as to why we need to host AI here - data centers don’t create many jobs, use stupid amounts of energy and there is something called the internet which means I can use minimax in China from my desk at home

    My viewpoint is that hosting data centers for AI is a fools game unless you have sovereignty over the AI company (and we currently don’t).
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,421

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @ShippersUnbound
    Further to Blair. Literally every honest sensible person in all the main parties privately agrees with all these propositions:

    - welfare spending is too high and is throwing good people on the scrapheap
    - defence spending is too low
    - the triple lock is unsustainable
    - without cheap energy we cannot exploit the AI revolution
    - we should be investing in EVERY form of energy: renewables, nuclear and the North Sea
    - migration needs to be controlled to boost social cohesion and because the boats look like a huge failure of the state
    - any new relationship with the EU will be imposed on us until we are stronger and cannot involve the closeness some desire without freedom of movement
    - we are deeply embedded with America in ways which the public does not understand and cannot be told and however joyous it makes us feel to hate Trump, disengagement at the deep state level is not only wholly unrealistic but also undesirable
    - Whitehall needs a total overhaul so specific project expertise and political appointees can be brought in quickly

    Blair basically says all that.

    The one thing he doesn’t say and which the same group of people agree on is this and it’s something Blair left behind:

    https://x.com/ShippersUnbound/status/2059540987995705567?s=20

    Good morning

    I have not posted much recently, probably because there is so much division and discourse I just cannot see a solution

    However, Blair reminds me why I voted for him twice and everything he highlights is spot on

    Instead of engaging with his thoughts we have labour going into a tailspin over Irag and Blair's millions/billions whilst seeking to drift to the left that will result in simply more failure

    Blair at least has opened a debate that is long overdue and maybe listen to the message rather than deflect by raising Blair's failures as an excuse to dismiss his opinions

    The problem with the boats is that although they are highly visible it restricts the number who arrive here and apply for asylum.

    Attach that to the fact that most (well over 50%) of those applying will get asylum and every other option is worse because while it would remove the visible boats it will increase the total number of people arriving with valid claims.

    So there is no fix without changing global asylum rules and while most of Europe agree the practical side is rather difficult
    Somebody made the point yesterday (I think) that we've not had figures (guesstimates?) for illegal crossings for some time. Of course, it's ben a bit breezy (here anyway) so that might have put people off.
    Figures are here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

    Appear to be updated daily.

    Politicians/media only refer to them when they can use them to make a point.
    Thanks.Boats seem to be severely overcrowded. We knew that, of course, but 70+ in one of those rubber dinghies!!!!
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