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A look ahead to the midterms – politicalbetting.com

Please tell me what the prospects are for the Democrats in the upcoming midterms this November, bearing in mind their recent successes, but also Trump’s ability to interfere with the election. I’d like you to do it in two modes. 

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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,300
    Do we know if Musky Baby is still planning to run spoiler candidates? I can see how that might make matters worse for the Republicans if he did.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,727
    Good morning, everyone.

    I have a vague memory of my guesses being far more optimistic for the Democrats than most here. There's an off-chance Trump's lunacy might make my ill-informed forecasts more accurate than they should be.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,300

    Good morning, everyone.

    I have a vague memory of my guesses being far more optimistic for the Democrats than most here. There's an off-chance Trump's lunacy might make my ill-informed forecasts more accurate than they should be.

    If this goes on and the Republicans pick the ultra-loon rather than the very-loon in Texas, you can see the Dems picking up five Senate seats.

    But if oil really does hit $200 a barrel it’s going to be total chaos anyway and all predictions are off.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,370
    Thanks for the header, I agree with your conclusion, Democrat House but Republican Senate looks almost nailed on.

    Which is a shame as the Senate is the far more important chamber being the one needed for eg appointments. Trump having 2 more years of a compliant Senate is concerning.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,038
    In the Senate the Dems have 2 relatively easy pick ups in Maine and North Carolina (which is an open seat this time around). They need 2 more but first they need to hold Georgia and Michigan, neither of which are looking easy. If they do their next targets are Alaska, Ohio and Texas and they need 2 from 3. Nebraska is surely out of reach.

    If Trump has succeeded by then in seriously damaging the US economy, if the Iran war is still staggering on and if his collapse into imbecility continues on his current trend then this might be possible but it still looks unlikely to me. I think best case scenario is 50:50 in the Senate with the VP deciding vote giving the GOP the edge.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,725
    edited 6:21AM

    Thanks for the header, I agree with your conclusion, Democrat House but Republican Senate looks almost nailed on.

    Which is a shame as the Senate is the far more important chamber being the one needed for eg appointments. Trump having 2 more years of a compliant Senate is concerning.

    So... that's what I thought, but I'm beginning to think I might be wrong.

    There are -give or take- about five Republican Senate seats in play. The Democrats need to win four (and not lose any of their own) to capture the Senate.

    Two should be relatively easy pickups.

    Ms Collins in Maine hasn't had to run in a midterm with an unpopular Republican in the White House since... well... never. She's been a Senator since 1996 (30 years!). The only time she's been up for election at a midtern with a Republican President was way back in 2002, when George W Bush was riding high on the back of 9/11. She is now the second most unpopular Senator in the country with her constituents. It's a Blue State. It's the midterms. She's toast. Probably by double digits. (Oh yes, and the Democrats chose Janet Mills, the popular ex-Governor.)

    North Carolina. Open seat. Only narrowly won by the Republicans in 2024. Very strong, moderate, Democratic candidate. Narrow but relatively comfortable win - 52:47.

    Then it gets harder.

    But I think they pickup Alaska. Mary Peltola won the House of Representatives seat at the trough of Biden midterm unpopularity. Dan Sullivan is the third most unpopular Senator in the US with only 39% of his constituents giving him a positive rating. Peltola is leading in basically all the polls. Unless the economy suddenly revives then Dan Sullivan is more likely than not to be an ex-Senator. I'd make the Dems the slight favorites here.

    Now there are two possibles. (And two wildcard.)

    Ohio. It's Sherrod Brown. I'm not a fan. But it's an open seat (it's JD Vance's seat). And Brown won in 2018 at the first Trump midterms. And Trump is less popular now than then. Ohio is also getting massacred by high oil prices. Polymarket makes him favorite. Will he win? It's an uphill battle, but if the economy worsens, then he's in with a good shot.

    Texas. Yes it always flatters to decieve. But the Dems have chosen a moderate Pastor, while the Republicans look like they're going with Ken Paxton. Also: you know what group the Republicans are getting massacred by? Hispanics. And you know what Texas is full of? Hispanics. It's far from impossible that the Dems win Texas.

    (An aside: the Republicans gerrymandering in Texas might well lose them seats.)

    Here are the wildcards

    Iowa. If Jodi Ernst had run again, I think the Dems could have won. They probably won't. But It could be closer than people expect.

    Florida. Holy shit did you see the special election results last week? If Mar-al-Largo is falling, then so is Florida. I mean the midterms will be better for Trump, right? Right?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,878
    I absolutely expect there will be no free midterms. He can’t.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,725
    DavidL said:

    In the Senate the Dems have 2 relatively easy pick ups in Maine and North Carolina (which is an open seat this time around). They need 2 more but first they need to hold Georgia and Michigan, neither of which are looking easy. If they do their next targets are Alaska, Ohio and Texas and they need 2 from 3. Nebraska is surely out of reach.

    If Trump has succeeded by then in seriously damaging the US economy, if the Iran war is still staggering on and if his collapse into imbecility continues on his current trend then this might be possible but it still looks unlikely to me. I think best case scenario is 50:50 in the Senate with the VP deciding vote giving the GOP the edge.

    Michigan will be an easy Democrat hold. It's the midterms. Michigan is being massacred by high oil prices.

    Georgia will be harder... but Ossoff is a very strong candidate.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,801
    Thanks to @Barnesian for the header. The numbers say one thing but how effective will Trump be in getting GOP Senators to toe the line if he's a liability to votes in 2028?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,300

    I absolutely expect there will be no free midterms. He can’t.

    The cost of free midterms would be high for him.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,725
    rcs1000 said:

    Thanks for the header, I agree with your conclusion, Democrat House but Republican Senate looks almost nailed on.

    Which is a shame as the Senate is the far more important chamber being the one needed for eg appointments. Trump having 2 more years of a compliant Senate is concerning.

    So... that's what I thought, but I'm beginning to think I might be wrong.

    There are -give or take- about five Republican Senate seats in play. The Democrats need to win four (and not lose any of their own) to capture the Senate.

    Two should be relatively easy pickups.

    Ms Collins in Maine hasn't had to run in a midterm with an unpopular Republican in the White House since... well... never. She's been a Senator since 1996 (30 years!). The only time she's been up for election at a midtern with a Republican President was way back in 2002, when George W Bush was riding high on the back of 9/11. She is now the second most unpopular Senator in the country with her constituents. It's a Blue State. It's the midterms. She's toast. Probably by double digits. (Oh yes, and the Democrats chose Janet Mills, the popular ex-Governor.)

    North Carolina. Open seat. Only narrowly won by the Republicans in 2024. Very strong, moderate, Democratic candidate. Narrow but relatively comfortable win - 52:47.

    Then it gets harder.

    But I think they pickup Alaska. Mary Peltola won the House of Representatives seat at the trough of Biden midterm unpopularity. Dan Sullivan is the third most unpopular Senator in the US with only 39% of his constituents giving him a positive rating. Peltola is leading in basically all the polls. Unless the economy suddenly revives then Dan Sullivan is more likely than not to be an ex-Senator. I'd make the Dems the slight favorites here.

    Now there are two possibles. (And two wildcard.)

    Ohio. It's Sherrod Brown. I'm not a fan. But it's an open seat (it's JD Vance's seat). And Brown won in 2018 at the first Trump midterms. And Trump is less popular now than then. Ohio is also getting massacred by high oil prices. Polymarket makes him favorite. Will he win? It's an uphill battle, but if the economy worsens, then he's in with a good shot.

    Texas. Yes it always flatters to decieve. But the Dems have chosen a moderate Pastor, while the Republicans look like they're going with Ken Paxton. Also: you know what group the Republicans are getting massacred by? Hispanics. And you know what Texas is full of? Hispanics. It's far from impossible that the Dems win Texas.

    (An aside: the Republicans gerrymandering in Texas might well lose them seats.)

    Here are the wildcards

    Iowa. If Jodi Ernst had run again, I think the Dems could have won. They probably won't. But It could be closer than people expect.

    Florida. Holy shit did you see the special election results last week? If Mar-al-Largo is falling, then so is Florida. I mean the midterms will be better for Trump, right? Right?
    You know what... Janet Mills may not be the Democratic candidate in Maine. Collins is still toast. But it may be Graham Platner who benefits.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,790
    edited 6:32AM
    Good morning, and thank-you for the header.

    Yes, that seems a likely possible outcome. I'm a little more optimistic on the Senate changing control, but Trump/MAGA corrupting the process mitigates against.

    A straw in the wind on the other side is that No Kings rellies maintained or somewhat increased their attendance at 8 million plus, which is almost 2.5% of the population - which is a lot.

    I don't think I recall a set of demonstrations of that scale in the UK in my lifetime, which would need 1.75 million now or 1.5 million in 2000 - the closest on independent estimates being Stop the War in 2003.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,878
    ydoethur said:

    I absolutely expect there will be no free midterms. He can’t.

    The cost of free midterms would be high for him.
    They can’t even hold Trump Beach, so we know they will be absolutely smashed in a free election.

    So why bother? All of the people voting against them are terrorists and traitors, the people organising these elections are antifa, the coup can’t be allowed to take place.

    Plenty of options available. State of Emergency thanks to war, state of emergency thanks to civil unrest, send in ICE and the good ol boys with rifles to shoot anyone who looks black gay Latino or liberal, force all elections to be federal - or any combination of the above you fancy.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,725
    rcs1000 said:

    Thanks for the header, I agree with your conclusion, Democrat House but Republican Senate looks almost nailed on.

    Which is a shame as the Senate is the far more important chamber being the one needed for eg appointments. Trump having 2 more years of a compliant Senate is concerning.

    So... that's what I thought, but I'm beginning to think I might be wrong.

    There are -give or take- about five Republican Senate seats in play. The Democrats need to win four (and not lose any of their own) to capture the Senate.

    Two should be relatively easy pickups.

    Ms Collins in Maine hasn't had to run in a midterm with an unpopular Republican in the White House since... well... never. She's been a Senator since 1996 (30 years!). The only time she's been up for election at a midtern with a Republican President was way back in 2002, when George W Bush was riding high on the back of 9/11. She is now the second most unpopular Senator in the country with her constituents. It's a Blue State. It's the midterms. She's toast. Probably by double digits. (Oh yes, and the Democrats chose Janet Mills, the popular ex-Governor.)

    North Carolina. Open seat. Only narrowly won by the Republicans in 2024. Very strong, moderate, Democratic candidate. Narrow but relatively comfortable win - 52:47.

    Then it gets harder.

    But I think they pickup Alaska. Mary Peltola won the House of Representatives seat at the trough of Biden midterm unpopularity. Dan Sullivan is the third most unpopular Senator in the US with only 39% of his constituents giving him a positive rating. Peltola is leading in basically all the polls. Unless the economy suddenly revives then Dan Sullivan is more likely than not to be an ex-Senator. I'd make the Dems the slight favorites here.

    Now there are two possibles. (And two wildcard.)

    Ohio. It's Sherrod Brown. I'm not a fan. But it's an open seat (it's JD Vance's seat). And Brown won in 2018 at the first Trump midterms. And Trump is less popular now than then. Ohio is also getting massacred by high oil prices. Polymarket makes him favorite. Will he win? It's an uphill battle, but if the economy worsens, then he's in with a good shot.

    Texas. Yes it always flatters to decieve. But the Dems have chosen a moderate Pastor, while the Republicans look like they're going with Ken Paxton. Also: you know what group the Republicans are getting massacred by? Hispanics. And you know what Texas is full of? Hispanics. It's far from impossible that the Dems win Texas.

    (An aside: the Republicans gerrymandering in Texas might well lose them seats.)

    Here are the wildcards

    Iowa. If Jodi Ernst had run again, I think the Dems could have won. They probably won't. But It could be closer than people expect.

    Florida. Holy shit did you see the special election results last week? If Mar-al-Largo is falling, then so is Florida. I mean the midterms will be better for Trump, right? Right?
    Separately... the Dems aren't contesting Nebraska. They're leaving the field clear for Independent Dan Osborn, who lost to Deb Fisher by just seven percentage points in 2024. (Given Trump won by more than 20 points, that's a big outperformance.)
  • eekeek Posts: 33,107

    ydoethur said:

    I absolutely expect there will be no free midterms. He can’t.

    The cost of free midterms would be high for him.
    They can’t even hold Trump Beach, so we know they will be absolutely smashed in a free election.

    So why bother? All of the people voting against them are terrorists and traitors, the people organising these elections are antifa, the coup can’t be allowed to take place.

    Plenty of options available. State of Emergency thanks to war, state of emergency thanks to civil unrest, send in ICE and the good ol boys with rifles to shoot anyone who looks black gay Latino or liberal, force all elections to be federal - or any combination of the above you fancy.
    State of emergency due to price and supply of oil so only essential journeys are allowed?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,300

    ydoethur said:

    I absolutely expect there will be no free midterms. He can’t.

    The cost of free midterms would be high for him.
    They can’t even hold Trump Beach, so we know they will be absolutely smashed in a free election.

    So why bother? All of the people voting against them are terrorists and traitors, the people organising these elections are antifa, the coup can’t be allowed to take place.

    Plenty of options available. State of Emergency thanks to war, state of emergency thanks to civil unrest, send in ICE and the good ol boys with rifles to shoot anyone who looks black gay Latino or liberal, force all elections to be federal - or any combination of the above you fancy.
    A state of emergency in the US doesn't cancel elections.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,300
    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    I absolutely expect there will be no free midterms. He can’t.

    The cost of free midterms would be high for him.
    They can’t even hold Trump Beach, so we know they will be absolutely smashed in a free election.

    So why bother? All of the people voting against them are terrorists and traitors, the people organising these elections are antifa, the coup can’t be allowed to take place.

    Plenty of options available. State of Emergency thanks to war, state of emergency thanks to civil unrest, send in ICE and the good ol boys with rifles to shoot anyone who looks black gay Latino or liberal, force all elections to be federal - or any combination of the above you fancy.
    State of emergency due to price and supply of oil so only essential journeys are allowed?
    That would likely hurt the Republicans more than the Dems given the use of mailed ballots by the latter.

    Not that things being insane have ever stopped the Trumpster fire, of course.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,039

    ydoethur said:

    I absolutely expect there will be no free midterms. He can’t.

    The cost of free midterms would be high for him.
    They can’t even hold Trump Beach, so we know they will be absolutely smashed in a free election.

    So why bother? All of the people voting against them are terrorists and traitors, the people organising these elections are antifa, the coup can’t be allowed to take place.

    Plenty of options available. State of Emergency thanks to war, state of emergency thanks to civil unrest, send in ICE and the good ol boys with rifles to shoot anyone who looks black gay Latino or liberal, force all elections to be federal - or any combination of the above you fancy.
    Easier if Trump were only slightly unpopular. In a normal year, there are so few competitive districts and states that it would be feasible for the Federal government to support states in ensuring the election is free and fair. Whether states want that support or not.

    That is somewhat stuffed by the mega unpopularity of MAGA- ICE is too small to provide a threatening presence in all the necessary places.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 40,864
    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I have a vague memory of my guesses being far more optimistic for the Democrats than most here. There's an off-chance Trump's lunacy might make my ill-informed forecasts more accurate than they should be.

    If this goes on and the Republicans pick the ultra-loon rather than the very-loon in Texas, you can see the Dems picking up five Senate seats.

    But if oil really does hit $200 a barrel it’s going to be total chaos anyway and all predictions are off.
    Not to mention that the ultra-loon in Texas is utterly corrupt.

    I have lost count of the number of high profile races which the Republicans have lost in my lifetime, because their primary voters decided that the candidate who could win was not loony enough, and that they needed the looniest of the loons.

    I mean how do the Republicans throw away Senate seats in places like Indiana, Arkansas, Alabama? Well, they left no stone unturned in finding candidates who were too batshit, even for the electorate in such States.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,790
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I absolutely expect there will be no free midterms. He can’t.

    The cost of free midterms would be high for him.
    They can’t even hold Trump Beach, so we know they will be absolutely smashed in a free election.

    So why bother? All of the people voting against them are terrorists and traitors, the people organising these elections are antifa, the coup can’t be allowed to take place.

    Plenty of options available. State of Emergency thanks to war, state of emergency thanks to civil unrest, send in ICE and the good ol boys with rifles to shoot anyone who looks black gay Latino or liberal, force all elections to be federal - or any combination of the above you fancy.
    A state of emergency in the US doesn't cancel elections.
    The most likely vite-suppressing intervention to me is ICE and the border police given free rein to do sweeps outside polling stations.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,300
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I have a vague memory of my guesses being far more optimistic for the Democrats than most here. There's an off-chance Trump's lunacy might make my ill-informed forecasts more accurate than they should be.

    If this goes on and the Republicans pick the ultra-loon rather than the very-loon in Texas, you can see the Dems picking up five Senate seats.

    But if oil really does hit $200 a barrel it’s going to be total chaos anyway and all predictions are off.
    Not to mention that the ultra-loon in Texas is utterly corrupt.

    I have lost count of the number of high profile races which the Republicans have lost in my lifetime, because their primary voters decided that the candidate who could win was not loony enough, and that they needed the looniest of the loons.

    I mean how do the Republicans throw away Senate seats in places like Indiana, Arkansas, Alabama? Well, they left no stone unturned in finding candidates who were too batshit, even for the electorate in such States.

    To be fair, he's rather less corrupt than Trump and Texas still voted for him.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,790
    Coincidentally with the Yankee-Doodle header, I've listened this morning to the Liz Truss speech at CPAC 2025, not being able to find the 2026 versions from a day or two ago (links are welcome).

    It was only 15 minutes.

    Does anyone still want a Trump-like revolution in the UK? Or a DOGE initiative following the Elon Musk method by the "Muskrats"? There's a fair amount of made up BS in it, but she was there to fluff the USA Christian Right.

    Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUFQ4Z8cbF4

    Will anyone be paying attention to, or attending) CPAC UK 2026?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,449
    edited 6:49AM
    The SAVE act has one of those typically sounding slogans pushed by the GOP which sounds good but is designed to suppress votes and allow the federal government to interfere .

    It’s not however just a one way suppression tool against the Dems . Married women are also effected because of their last name change which will disproportionately effect the GOP in that area.

    The act was always designed to allow Trump to scream steal if it wasn’t passed .

    It’s probably likely that the SCOTUS will restrict mail ballots that arrive after election day but postmarked before from being counted.

    On the face of it this doesn’t seem that controversial as in the UK the cut off is election day but this really is a Trojan horse because the GOP are likely to come back again for more restrictions.



  • TazTaz Posts: 26,387
    Good morning and what a nice one it is.

    As reported in the previous thread. By @Brixian59 Any ground incursion into Iran will not see the Israelis participating.

    They really mugged Trump off with this war.

    Hopefully the democrats will win the Senate and the House.

    In spite of the conspiracists I expect the elections to go ahead and be pretty free.

    Gerrymandering goes on by both sides too. Dems currently doing it in Virginia. But they’re the good guys and raising it triggers people for some reason.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Virginia_redistricting_amendment#:~:text=If voters approve the referendum,out of 11 congressional districts.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,109
    I think Gemini is in the right area, messy legalism and non-confirmation, plus muscular ballot access measures is more likely than the sort of Rochdale thing that would render the election unambiguously not free and fair. In the latter NoKings is much more likely to become a full on Maidan style occupation of many cities (US employment law is Trump's friend here), the former could also see big protests but the timings of things could keep it still as a more, still large scale but, activist level pursuit.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,190
    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,449
    edited 6:55AM
    Taz said:

    Good morning and what a nice one it is.

    As reported in the previous thread. By @Brixian59 Any ground incursion into Iran will not see the Israelis participating.

    They really mugged Trump off with this war.

    Hopefully the democrats will win the Senate and the House.

    In spite of the conspiracists I expect the elections to go ahead and be pretty free.

    Gerrymandering goes on by both sides too. Dems currently doing it in Virginia. But they’re the good guys and raising it triggers people for some reason.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Virginia_redistricting_amendment#:~:text=If voters approve the referendum,out of 11 congressional districts.

    Only the Dems have tried to bring legislation forward in Congress to ban gerrymandering and have independent boards deciding .

    And it’s not the Dems trying to suppress votes by putting up obstacles to people voting . Nice try at some false equivalence but the Dems have no option but to respond to the GOP gerrymandering. Or do you expect them to be all moral whilst the other side is totally corrupt .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,300
    Here is a thought. Any suggestions on how plausible it is welcomed.

    If the Democrats win the House and the Senate, could they bring forward a bill saying that any individual involved in the Capitol Riots is ineligible to serve under the Fourteenth Amendment? (They should have done this in 2021, of course, but it doesn't seem to have occurred to them that the situation they faced of fraud and corruption in the Republicans would mean it was needed.)

    Yes, I know Trump would veto, but it would look bad for him.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,449
    ydoethur said:

    Here is a thought. Any suggestions on how plausible it is welcomed.

    If the Democrats win the House and the Senate, could they bring forward a bill saying that any individual involved in the Capitol Riots is ineligible to serve under the Fourteenth Amendment? (They should have done this in 2021, of course, but it doesn't seem to have occurred to them that the situation they faced of fraud and corruption in the Republicans would mean it was needed.)

    Yes, I know Trump would veto, but it would look bad for him.

    It wouldn’t get through the Senate as it would need 60 votes to overcome a GOP filibuster.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,856
    MattW said:

    Coincidentally with the Yankee-Doodle header, I've listened this morning to the Liz Truss speech at CPAC 2025, not being able to find the 2026 versions from a day or two ago (links are welcome).

    It was only 15 minutes.

    Does anyone still want a Trump-like revolution in the UK? Or a DOGE initiative following the Elon Musk method by the "Muskrats"? There's a fair amount of made up BS in it, but she was there to fluff the USA Christian Right.

    Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUFQ4Z8cbF4

    Will anyone be paying attention to, or attending) CPAC UK 2026?

    https://open.spotify.com/episode/3JSYh52RsGNJV54ayQqZhk?si=6Bw-zZ1mTNGt2w3F1QwvaA

    The News Agents were at CPAC 2026. It Includes part of a Liz Truss speech.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,300
    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Here is a thought. Any suggestions on how plausible it is welcomed.

    If the Democrats win the House and the Senate, could they bring forward a bill saying that any individual involved in the Capitol Riots is ineligible to serve under the Fourteenth Amendment? (They should have done this in 2021, of course, but it doesn't seem to have occurred to them that the situation they faced of fraud and corruption in the Republicans would mean it was needed.)

    Yes, I know Trump would veto, but it would look bad for him.

    It wouldn’t get through the Senate as it would need 60 votes to overcome a GOP filibuster.
    As long as the Republican caucus hasn't got rid of the filibuster as they have threatened to.

    I realise, that said, that it would be performative. I was just wondering what the impact might be.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,693
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I absolutely expect there will be no free midterms. He can’t.

    The cost of free midterms would be high for him.
    They can’t even hold Trump Beach, so we know they will be absolutely smashed in a free election.

    So why bother? All of the people voting against them are terrorists and traitors, the people organising these elections are antifa, the coup can’t be allowed to take place.

    Plenty of options available. State of Emergency thanks to war, state of emergency thanks to civil unrest, send in ICE and the good ol boys with rifles to shoot anyone who looks black gay Latino or liberal, force all elections to be federal - or any combination of the above you fancy.
    A state of emergency in the US doesn't cancel elections.
    It hasn’t previously, but precedent and the rules mean nothing to the Trump administration.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,727
    Once I finish The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, my next book will be Appian's account of The Civil Wars. One suspects there might be some parallels to modern times.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,300

    Once I finish The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, my next book will be Appian's account of The Civil Wars. One suspects there might be some parallels to modern times.

    Nah, Trump isn't civil, more Wormwood and Gaul.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,416
    edited 7:06AM
    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    And Labour will be decimated.

    Nigel and Kemi have it sewn up. If the Government issued new North Sea drilling licences for 2030 there would be no fuel crisis now. It is a compelling argument supported by Donald Trump, GB News, the Telegraph, the Mail, the Express and Nick Ferrari.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,154

    Once I finish The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, my next book will be Appian's account of The Civil Wars. One suspects there might be some parallels to modern times.

    ICYMI

    FPT

    Look, I know he won the Trojan war but surely there is a better name for a defensive system, if only this name wasn't synonomous with weakness despite overall strength.

    Greece has approved a €3 billion defense program to build “Achilles Shield,” a multi-layered air defense system designed to counter missiles and drones. The project is expected to include advanced Israeli technology, with Israeli firms likely playing a central role.

    https://x.com/israelnewspulse/status/2037986001457406316
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,960
    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    Tories and Reform will rightly oppose on the basis that once introduced as a temporary measure, this Government will never have the desire to return us to the status quo ante.

    Although it will be another good reason to turf them out.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 21,518
    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Here is a thought. Any suggestions on how plausible it is welcomed.

    If the Democrats win the House and the Senate, could they bring forward a bill saying that any individual involved in the Capitol Riots is ineligible to serve under the Fourteenth Amendment? (They should have done this in 2021, of course, but it doesn't seem to have occurred to them that the situation they faced of fraud and corruption in the Republicans would mean it was needed.)

    Yes, I know Trump would veto, but it would look bad for him.

    It wouldn’t get through the Senate as it would need 60 votes to overcome a GOP filibuster.
    Would also be a performative waste of time
  • eekeek Posts: 33,107
    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    You don't need to cut speed limits just get Martim Lewis to remind people that if you do 60 rather than 70 you will drive 10% further and that result in enough behaviour change that you get your result anyway.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,960
    For those thinking the Dems won't get the Senate, the latest poll in Alaska (which has a great record of accuracy) now gives the Dems a 7% lead.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,259
    Lol, after yesterday’s brief foray into the history of the flying ace, the MoD in a spasm of Starship Trooper-ism have promoted ar brave lads on the ground to ace status.

    ‘ During WWII, an Ace was a pilot credited with five confirmed enemy aircraft strikes in combat.

    For the first time, as part of defensive operations in the Middle East, multiple gunners from @RoyalAirForce Regiment have hit this historic benchmark.’

    https://x.com/defencehq/status/2038193304915837331?s=46&t=fJymV-V84rexmlQMLXHHJQ
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,387
    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Good morning and what a nice one it is.

    As reported in the previous thread. By @Brixian59 Any ground incursion into Iran will not see the Israelis participating.

    They really mugged Trump off with this war.

    Hopefully the democrats will win the Senate and the House.

    In spite of the conspiracists I expect the elections to go ahead and be pretty free.

    Gerrymandering goes on by both sides too. Dems currently doing it in Virginia. But they’re the good guys and raising it triggers people for some reason.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Virginia_redistricting_amendment#:~:text=If voters approve the referendum,out of 11 congressional districts.

    Only the Dems have tried to bring legislation forward in Congress to ban gerrymandering and have independent boards deciding .

    And it’s not the Dems trying to suppress votes by putting up obstacles to people voting . Nice try at some false equivalence but the Dems have no option but to respond to the GOP gerrymandering. Or do you expect them to be all moral whilst the other side is totally corrupt .
    God bless the Dems for their intestinal fortitude and not being totally corrupt.

    Those nasty people made them do it.

    😝
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,982

    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    Tories and Reform will rightly oppose on the basis that once introduced as a temporary measure, this Government will never have the desire to return us to the status quo ante.

    Although it will be another good reason to turf them out.
    France introduced 80kph limits on national roads after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and lifted them last year. Interesting to see if the Iran war makes them slap them back on again.
  • Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,300

    Once I finish The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, my next book will be Appian's account of The Civil Wars. One suspects there might be some parallels to modern times.

    ICYMI

    FPT

    Look, I know he won the Trojan war but surely there is a better name for a defensive system, if only this name wasn't synonomous with weakness despite overall strength.

    Greece has approved a €3 billion defense program to build “Achilles Shield,” a multi-layered air defense system designed to counter missiles and drones. The project is expected to include advanced Israeli technology, with Israeli firms likely playing a central role.

    https://x.com/israelnewspulse/status/2037986001457406316
    As befits a Roman, @Cicero had the best comment on that:

    Even if it takes them to Helen back, they'll always have Paris.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,387

    For those thinking the Dems won't get the Senate, the latest poll in Alaska (which has a great record of accuracy) now gives the Dems a 7% lead.

    I think they have a chance. If Trumps war continues I’d look at a bet on them.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,727

    Once I finish The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, my next book will be Appian's account of The Civil Wars. One suspects there might be some parallels to modern times.

    ICYMI

    FPT

    Look, I know he won the Trojan war but surely there is a better name for a defensive system, if only this name wasn't synonomous with weakness despite overall strength.

    Greece has approved a €3 billion defense program to build “Achilles Shield,” a multi-layered air defense system designed to counter missiles and drones. The project is expected to include advanced Israeli technology, with Israeli firms likely playing a central role.

    https://x.com/israelnewspulse/status/2037986001457406316
    Aegis would be perfect but I suspect that's been used already.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,387
    eek said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    You don't need to cut speed limits just get Martim Lewis to remind people that if you do 60 rather than 70 you will drive 10% further and that result in enough behaviour change that you get your result anyway.
    Exactly.

    Demand destruction.

    We drove back and forth to the midlands this weekend.

    Didn’t go as fast as normal and got back with far more in the tank.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,107
    edited 7:27AM

    For those thinking the Dems won't get the Senate, the latest poll in Alaska (which has a great record of accuracy) now gives the Dems a 7% lead.

    So pump gas/ petrol prices in Alaska are now $1 or 22% more than a month ago
    Diesel prices are up 45% from $3.87 to $5.60

    The all time high price for diesel is $6.11 in July 2022 - it's going to hit that very soon..

    https://gasprices.aaa.com/?state=AK
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,387

    Once I finish The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, my next book will be Appian's account of The Civil Wars. One suspects there might be some parallels to modern times.

    I’m currently on Bret ‘the hitman’ Hart’s book, Hitman.

    It’s brilliant.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,693

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    Is anyone on PB still of the view the US was right to pick Trump over Harris?
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,387

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    Only the resident warmonger. But he’d have us join any war.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,767
    Taz said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    Only the resident warmonger. But he’d have us join any war.
    And accolytes of Badenoch and Farage.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,812

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    Is anyone on PB still of the view the US was right to pick Trump over Harris?
    That laugh would be annoying and we wouldn't have such a magnificent ballroom, with Corinthian columns no less.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,815

    For those thinking the Dems won't get the Senate, the latest poll in Alaska (which has a great record of accuracy) now gives the Dems a 7% lead.

    But will the winning candidate be able to see Russia from their house?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,767
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    You don't need to cut speed limits just get Martim Lewis to remind people that if you do 60 rather than 70 you will drive 10% further and that result in enough behaviour change that you get your result anyway.
    Exactly.

    Demand destruction.

    We drove back and forth to the midlands this weekend.

    Didn’t go as fast as normal and got back with far more in the tank.
    I can get Brixham to Lichfield and back at 85mph on. M5 440 miles Xc60 D5 diesel

    At 70mph steady I can get there and back and to Michaelwoid on next journey that's approx 570 miles

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,259

    Once I finish The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, my next book will be Appian's account of The Civil Wars. One suspects there might be some parallels to modern times.

    ICYMI

    FPT

    Look, I know he won the Trojan war but surely there is a better name for a defensive system, if only this name wasn't synonomous with weakness despite overall strength.

    Greece has approved a €3 billion defense program to build “Achilles Shield,” a multi-layered air defense system designed to counter missiles and drones. The project is expected to include advanced Israeli technology, with Israeli firms likely playing a central role.

    https://x.com/israelnewspulse/status/2037986001457406316
    Greece had always had an eccentric attitude to defence. I recently read that they had the largest amount of various marks of Leopard tanks outside Germany (before their financial crisis which was probably connected). Not sure a huge Panzerarmee was necessarily the best choice for a small, mountainous country with numerous islands as part of its territory.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,812
    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    Better still, apply speed limits to ICE vehicles only, thereby encouraging the switch to EVs.

    I am Ed Milliband and claim my £5.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,767

    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    And Labour will be decimated.

    Nigel and Kemi have it sewn up. If the Government issued new North Sea drilling licences for 2030 there would be no fuel crisis now. It is a compelling argument supported by Donald Trump, GB News, the Telegraph, the Mail, the Express and Nick Ferrari.
    Yes Kemi and Nigel the lunatics from the asylum who can click a finger dressed like a clown on an oil rig and promise an instant solution

    They should be certified
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,977

    ydoethur said:

    I absolutely expect there will be no free midterms. He can’t.

    The cost of free midterms would be high for him.
    They can’t even hold Trump Beach, so we know they will be absolutely smashed in a free election.

    So why bother? All of the people voting against them are terrorists and traitors, the people organising these elections are antifa, the coup can’t be allowed to take place.

    Plenty of options available. State of Emergency thanks to war, state of emergency thanks to civil unrest, send in ICE and the good ol boys with rifles to shoot anyone who looks black gay Latino or liberal, force all elections to be federal - or any combination of the above you fancy.
    Easier if Trump were only slightly unpopular. In a normal year, there are so few competitive districts and states that it would be feasible for the Federal government to support states in ensuring the election is free and fair. Whether states want that support or not.

    That is somewhat stuffed by the mega unpopularity of MAGA- ICE is too small to provide a threatening presence in all the necessary places.
    With social media just do a couple of ICE raids on queues in high Hispanic areas in Texas, say, and let the internet do the rest
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 127,154

    Once I finish The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, my next book will be Appian's account of The Civil Wars. One suspects there might be some parallels to modern times.

    ICYMI

    FPT

    Look, I know he won the Trojan war but surely there is a better name for a defensive system, if only this name wasn't synonomous with weakness despite overall strength.

    Greece has approved a €3 billion defense program to build “Achilles Shield,” a multi-layered air defense system designed to counter missiles and drones. The project is expected to include advanced Israeli technology, with Israeli firms likely playing a central role.

    https://x.com/israelnewspulse/status/2037986001457406316
    Aegis would be perfect but I suspect that's been used already.
    It has.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Combat_System
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,977
    Taz said:

    Good morning and what a nice one it is.

    As reported in the previous thread. By @Brixian59 Any ground incursion into Iran will not see the Israelis participating.

    They really mugged Trump off with this war.

    Hopefully the democrats will win the Senate and the House.

    In spite of the conspiracists I expect the elections to go ahead and be pretty free.

    Gerrymandering goes on by both sides too. Dems currently doing it in Virginia. But they’re the good guys and raising it triggers people for some reason.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Virginia_redistricting_amendment#:~:text=If voters approve the referendum,out of 11 congressional districts.

    Community note: for context this is explicitly a temporary measure for 2026 and 2028 and was introduced (as was California) to offset the Texan gerrymander. I don’t like it as an approach but they are included safeguards at least
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,116
    edited 7:50AM
    On the other hand, the last President to see their party hold Congress in their second term was LBJ in the middle of the Vietnam War so Trump would hope for a bit of a rally to the flag bounce from the conflict in Iran. George W Bush's Republicans also won Congress in the 2002 midterms after the Afghanistan Invasion and as the Iraq War loomed albeit by 2006 as the Iraq War in particular became more unpopular the Democrats too both chambers of Congress in Bush's second term.

    On current polls it certainly looks like the Democrats will retake the House. The Senate will be close and the Democrats need 4 gains to take control, potentially they could come in North Carolina, Ohio and what could be the real shocks of the night, Alaska and Texas, all races where at least some of the recent polls have put the Democratic candidate for the currently GOP held US Senate seat in the state ahead
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_Senate_elections
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,977
    ydoethur said:

    Here is a thought. Any suggestions on how plausible it is welcomed.

    If the Democrats win the House and the Senate, could they bring forward a bill saying that any individual involved in the Capitol Riots is ineligible to serve under the Fourteenth Amendment? (They should have done this in 2021, of course, but it doesn't seem to have occurred to them that the situation they faced of fraud and corruption in the Republicans would mean it was needed.)

    Yes, I know Trump would veto, but it would look bad for him.

    Wouldn’t a pardon cleanse that though?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,977

    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    And Labour will be decimated.

    Nigel and Kemi have it sewn up. If the Government issued new North Sea drilling licences for 2030 there would be no fuel crisis now. It is a compelling argument supported by Donald Trump, GB News, the Telegraph, the Mail, the Express and Nick Ferrari.
    Objectively though it’s daft to shut down profitable production. It won’t change prices globally but it would create wealth and tax income in the uk which could be used to subsidise prices if the government chose to
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,960
    Foxy said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    Is anyone on PB still of the view the US was right to pick Trump over Harris?
    That laugh would be annoying and we wouldn't have such a magnificent ballroom, with Corinthian columns no less.
    Hand-carved Corinthian columns.

    They're the best, you know.

    He has all the details of this goddam ballroom at his fingertips. The Iranain defence capabilities of the Straits of Hormuz? Not so much...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,116
    edited 7:53AM

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    We should have sent the RAF to attack Iranian missile sites as Kemi rightly said. If Trump commits ground troops we should join Israel and provide them with support from the air in my view too as that would be the only way to topple the regime.

    However as Starmer is in power neither will happen as he is sticking to his line offensive actions in Iran are not authorised under international law
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,693

    ydoethur said:

    Here is a thought. Any suggestions on how plausible it is welcomed.

    If the Democrats win the House and the Senate, could they bring forward a bill saying that any individual involved in the Capitol Riots is ineligible to serve under the Fourteenth Amendment? (They should have done this in 2021, of course, but it doesn't seem to have occurred to them that the situation they faced of fraud and corruption in the Republicans would mean it was needed.)

    Yes, I know Trump would veto, but it would look bad for him.

    Wouldn’t a pardon cleanse that though?
    A pardon doesn't change the facts of what happened. If a bill says involvement in the Capitol Riots makes you ineligible, then being pardoned for any crimes committed is by the by, I would've thought, although it would depend on the precise wording of the bill and the Supreme (but very partisan) Court's interpretation.

    But the whole suggestion is a non-starter for many other reasons.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,107
    HYUFD said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    We should have sent the RAF to attack Iranian missile sites as Kemi rightly said. If Trump commits ground troops we should join Israel and provide them with support from the air in my view too as that would be the only way to topple the regime.

    However as Starmer is in power neither will happen as he is sticking to his line offensive actions in Iran are not authorised under international law
    How many times do we have to tell you this is a stupid war that we should have nothing to do with.

    In fact the end result is always going to be paying Iran for access through the Straits so we may as well get on and start paying it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,657

    Once I finish The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, my next book will be Appian's account of The Civil Wars. One suspects there might be some parallels to modern times.

    ICYMI

    FPT

    Look, I know he won the Trojan war but surely there is a better name for a defensive system, if only this name wasn't synonomous with weakness despite overall strength.

    Greece has approved a €3 billion defense program to build “Achilles Shield,” a multi-layered air defense system designed to counter missiles and drones. The project is expected to include advanced Israeli technology, with Israeli firms likely playing a central role.

    https://x.com/israelnewspulse/status/2037986001457406316
    Aegis would be perfect but I suspect that's been used already.
    Currently in service with various navies.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,657

    Once I finish The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, my next book will be Appian's account of The Civil Wars. One suspects there might be some parallels to modern times.

    ICYMI

    FPT

    Look, I know he won the Trojan war but surely there is a better name for a defensive system, if only this name wasn't synonomous with weakness despite overall strength.

    Greece has approved a €3 billion defense program to build “Achilles Shield,” a multi-layered air defense system designed to counter missiles and drones. The project is expected to include advanced Israeli technology, with Israeli firms likely playing a central role.

    https://x.com/israelnewspulse/status/2037986001457406316
    The Auden poem is pretty good.
    https://poets.org/poem/shield-achilles
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,416

    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    And Labour will be decimated.

    Nigel and Kemi have it sewn up. If the Government issued new North Sea drilling licences for 2030 there would be no fuel crisis now. It is a compelling argument supported by Donald Trump, GB News, the Telegraph, the Mail, the Express and Nick Ferrari.
    Objectively though it’s daft to shut down profitable production. It won’t change prices globally but it would create wealth and tax income in the uk which could be used to subsidise prices if the government chose to
    I don't think Nigel and Kemi's narrative has to be true for it to work electorally.

    The new licenses aside the intimation by certain players that the drilling has already stopped due a decade of Labour Net Zero is reaching the voter and this will be even more stark when the pumps run dry. It is extremely clever, if disingenuous politics, particularly from Kemi. She is way better at politics than Starmer.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,693
    HYUFD said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    We should have sent the RAF to attack Iranian missile sites as Kemi rightly said. If Trump commits ground troops we should join Israel and provide them with support from the air in my view too as that would be the only way to topple the regime.

    However as Starmer is in power neither will happen as he is sticking to his line offensive actions in Iran are not authorised under international law
    The US does not have a clear war aim. It is unclear how much they are aiming to topple the regime. Should we commit military forces to try to achieve our war aim (regime change) if we can't agree with the US what the war aims are?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,116
    edited 8:02AM
    HYUFD said:

    On the other hand, the last President to see their party hold Congress in their second term was LBJ in the middle of the Vietnam War so Trump would hope for a bit of a rally to the flag bounce from the conflict in Iran. George W Bush's Republicans also won Congress in the 2002 midterms after the Afghanistan Invasion and as the Iraq War loomed albeit by 2006 as the Iraq War in particular became more unpopular the Democrats too both chambers of Congress in Bush's second term.

    On current polls it certainly looks like the Democrats will retake the House. The Senate will be close and the Democrats need 4 gains to take control, potentially they could come in North Carolina, Ohio and what could be the real shocks of the night, Alaska and Texas, all races where at least some of the recent polls have put the Democratic candidate for the currently GOP held US Senate seat in the state ahead
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_Senate_elections

    Maine should also be a likely Democratic gain as GOP incumbent Senator Susan Collins who has long defied the shift of her state to the Democrats finally cannot hold back the blue tide (for evidence in 1988 Maine voted 55% for George HW Bush but by 2024 52% for Harris even as she lost nationally)
  • eekeek Posts: 33,107

    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    And Labour will be decimated.

    Nigel and Kemi have it sewn up. If the Government issued new North Sea drilling licences for 2030 there would be no fuel crisis now. It is a compelling argument supported by Donald Trump, GB News, the Telegraph, the Mail, the Express and Nick Ferrari.
    Objectively though it’s daft to shut down profitable production. It won’t change prices globally but it would create wealth and tax income in the uk which could be used to subsidise prices if the government chose to
    I don't think Nigel and Kemi's narrative has to be true for it to work electorally.

    The new licenses aside the intimation by certain players that the drilling has already stopped due a decade of Labour Net Zero is reaching the voter and this will be even more stark when the pumps run dry. It is extremely clever, if disingenuous politics, particularly from Kemi. She is way better at politics than Starmer.
    How can it be a Labour policy for 10 years when they've only been in power for 20 months?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,039
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    We should have sent the RAF to attack Iranian missile sites as Kemi rightly said. If Trump commits ground troops we should join Israel and provide them with support from the air in my view too as that would be the only way to topple the regime.

    However as Starmer is in power neither will happen as he is sticking to his line offensive actions in Iran are not authorised under international law
    How many times do we have to tell you this is a stupid war that we should have nothing to do with.

    In fact the end result is always going to be paying Iran for access through the Straits so we may as well get on and start paying it.
    Interesting overlap between the realpolitik/powerful nations can do what they like types and denial of how powerful Iran is in this one specific way types.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,116
    edited 8:06AM
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    We should have sent the RAF to attack Iranian missile sites as Kemi rightly said. If Trump commits ground troops we should join Israel and provide them with support from the air in my view too as that would be the only way to topple the regime.

    However as Starmer is in power neither will happen as he is sticking to his line offensive actions in Iran are not authorised under international law
    How many times do we have to tell you this is a stupid war that we should have nothing to do with.

    In fact the end result is always going to be paying Iran for access through the Straits so we may as well get on and start paying it.
    Iran executes homosexuals and hangs students who protested against its regime and oppresses women and has funded terrorism against Israel and the wider West. As a conservative I believe that if Trump fully commits to remove the evil regime in Iran we should join Israel and back him, having removed it we would also control the Straits again with a more sympathetic Iranian regime hopefully headed by the son of the late Shah and regime opponents in Iran and in exile
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,416
    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    And Labour will be decimated.

    Nigel and Kemi have it sewn up. If the Government issued new North Sea drilling licences for 2030 there would be no fuel crisis now. It is a compelling argument supported by Donald Trump, GB News, the Telegraph, the Mail, the Express and Nick Ferrari.
    Yes Kemi and Nigel the lunatics from the asylum who can click a finger dressed like a clown on an oil rig and promise an instant solution

    They should be certified
    But it is a simple argument to promote and gain traction. It's nonsense but so was Brexit and that didn't stop the voter.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,275

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    Is anyone on PB still of the view the US was right to pick Trump over Harris?
    I think the argument is a bit different. It's that Trump's election was entirely the fault of the Democrats by not being sufficiently Trumpian. Suggesting the people voting for him might have some responsibility is "blaming the voters" (too right!)
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,767
    eek said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    And Labour will be decimated.

    Nigel and Kemi have it sewn up. If the Government issued new North Sea drilling licences for 2030 there would be no fuel crisis now. It is a compelling argument supported by Donald Trump, GB News, the Telegraph, the Mail, the Express and Nick Ferrari.
    Objectively though it’s daft to shut down profitable production. It won’t change prices globally but it would create wealth and tax income in the uk which could be used to subsidise prices if the government chose to
    I don't think Nigel and Kemi's narrative has to be true for it to work electorally.

    The new licenses aside the intimation by certain players that the drilling has already stopped due a decade of Labour Net Zero is reaching the voter and this will be even more stark when the pumps run dry. It is extremely clever, if disingenuous politics, particularly from Kemi. She is way better at politics than Starmer.
    How can it be a Labour policy for 10 years when they've only been in power for 20 months?
    MP is very good at being a sarcastic right wing thicko

    His point is that Farage and Badenoch don't tell the truth, they just lie to the inherently thick

    They are currently trying to out do each other in the race to the sewers
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,039
    eek said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    And Labour will be decimated.

    Nigel and Kemi have it sewn up. If the Government issued new North Sea drilling licences for 2030 there would be no fuel crisis now. It is a compelling argument supported by Donald Trump, GB News, the Telegraph, the Mail, the Express and Nick Ferrari.
    Objectively though it’s daft to shut down profitable production. It won’t change prices globally but it would create wealth and tax income in the uk which could be used to subsidise prices if the government chose to
    I don't think Nigel and Kemi's narrative has to be true for it to work electorally.

    The new licenses aside the intimation by certain players that the drilling has already stopped due a decade of Labour Net Zero is reaching the voter and this will be even more stark when the pumps run dry. It is extremely clever, if disingenuous politics, particularly from Kemi. She is way better at politics than Starmer.
    How can it be a Labour policy for 10 years when they've only been in power for 20 months?
    It's bollocks.

    But things being bollocks has never stopped them being effective political messages.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,982

    Once I finish The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, my next book will be Appian's account of The Civil Wars. One suspects there might be some parallels to modern times.

    ICYMI

    FPT

    Look, I know he won the Trojan war but surely there is a better name for a defensive system, if only this name wasn't synonomous with weakness despite overall strength.

    Greece has approved a €3 billion defense program to build “Achilles Shield,” a multi-layered air defense system designed to counter missiles and drones. The project is expected to include advanced Israeli technology, with Israeli firms likely playing a central role.

    https://x.com/israelnewspulse/status/2037986001457406316
    Greece had always had an eccentric attitude to defence. I recently read that they had the largest amount of various marks of Leopard tanks outside Germany (before their financial crisis which was probably connected). Not sure a huge Panzerarmee was necessarily the best choice for a small, mountainous country with numerous islands as part of its territory.
    It does, however, make a lot of sense if you expect to be rolling across the wide expanses of the Anatolian plateau or the plains of Thrace in a war of conquest.
  • Why didn’t the Tories drill all of the oil they’ve apparently discovered since they left office?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,767
    edited 8:09AM
    HYUFD said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    We should have sent the RAF to attack Iranian missile sites as Kemi rightly said. If Trump commits ground troops we should join Israel and provide them with support from the air in my view too as that would be the only way to topple the regime.

    However as Starmer is in power neither will happen as he is sticking to his line offensive actions in Iran are not authorised under international law
    If we'd done that we'd be counting body bags in London, Birmingham, Glasgow, Cardiff, Belfast, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Edinburgh and any other town or city

    Sleepers in our midst revenge lone rangers martyrs
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,977

    For those thinking the Dems won't get the Senate, the latest poll in Alaska (which has a great record of accuracy) now gives the Dems a 7% lead.

    But will the winning candidate be able to see Russia from their house?
    You know it was Tina Fey who said that not Sarah Palin, right?

    Palin said that you can see Russia from parts of Alaska - which is true even if she was referring to some godforsaken uninhabited islands
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,116
    edited 8:13AM

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    Is anyone on PB still of the view the US was right to pick Trump over Harris?
    If Trump topples the Iranian regime yes, given Harris has come out against Trump's strikes on Iran.

    I say that as someone who reluctantly backed Harris over Trump in 2024 as she was more supportive of Ukraine getting military supplies to push back the Russians mainly. Plus Trump's expansion of tariffs beyond those Biden had imposed on China to most of the rest of the world would be damaging to global trade and while I backed immigration control I thought his deportations went a bit too far. I am not opposed to the US SC now letting states decide on abortion and Trump's appointments got the SC verdict on that
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,982

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    We should have sent the RAF to attack Iranian missile sites as Kemi rightly said. If Trump commits ground troops we should join Israel and provide them with support from the air in my view too as that would be the only way to topple the regime.

    However as Starmer is in power neither will happen as he is sticking to his line offensive actions in Iran are not authorised under international law
    How many times do we have to tell you this is a stupid war that we should have nothing to do with.

    In fact the end result is always going to be paying Iran for access through the Straits so we may as well get on and start paying it.
    Interesting overlap between the realpolitik/powerful nations can do what they like types and denial of how powerful Iran is in this one specific way types.
    I think two understandable misconceptions have come into play based on Middle Eastern recent history:

    1. The surprisingly rapid collapse of the Iraqi regime in 2003
    2. The coverage of mass protests suggesting the Iranian people would happily topple their regime if given the chance

    Number 2 may yet happen, but that reckons without a highly determined Junta-style government. For the military elite, just as for Syria’s Alawites during the civil war, keeping power is existential.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,977

    Once I finish The Romanovs, by Simon Sebag Montefiore, my next book will be Appian's account of The Civil Wars. One suspects there might be some parallels to modern times.

    ICYMI

    FPT

    Look, I know he won the Trojan war but surely there is a better name for a defensive system, if only this name wasn't synonomous with weakness despite overall strength.

    Greece has approved a €3 billion defense program to build “Achilles Shield,” a multi-layered air defense system designed to counter missiles and drones. The project is expected to include advanced Israeli technology, with Israeli firms likely playing a central role.

    https://x.com/israelnewspulse/status/2037986001457406316
    Greece had always had an eccentric attitude to defence. I recently read that they had the largest amount of various marks of Leopard tanks outside Germany (before their financial crisis which was probably connected). Not sure a huge Panzerarmee was necessarily the best choice for a small, mountainous country with numerous islands as part of its territory.
    It was probably the best choice… for the chooser.

    Where the Greek military is involved the general rule is “follow the money”. And Germany has historically been more morally flexible than the post FCPA/Bribery Act US and UK.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,693
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    We should have sent the RAF to attack Iranian missile sites as Kemi rightly said. If Trump commits ground troops we should join Israel and provide them with support from the air in my view too as that would be the only way to topple the regime.

    However as Starmer is in power neither will happen as he is sticking to his line offensive actions in Iran are not authorised under international law
    How many times do we have to tell you this is a stupid war that we should have nothing to do with.

    In fact the end result is always going to be paying Iran for access through the Straits so we may as well get on and start paying it.
    Iran executes homosexuals and hangs students who protested against its regime and oppresses women and has funded terrorism against Israel and the wider West. As a conservative I believe that if Trump fully commits to remove the evil regime in Iran we should join Israel and back him, having removed it we would also control the Straits again with a more sympathetic Iranian regime hopefully headed by the son of the late Shah and regime opponents in Iran and in exile
    I think some minor corrections on your comments are worth making. Iran is hugely oppressive towards the lesbian and gay community, but Iran has not executed anyone for consensual homosexual acts alone for 20 years. Iran has funded terrorism against Israel, but then Israel has funded terrorism against Israel, and numerous other countries in the region have funded terrorism, including the UAE, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

    More importantly, you suggest what we should do "if Trump fully commits to remove the evil regime in Iran", but Trump has not fully committed to removing the Iranian regime. So, what should we do given that?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,767

    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    And Labour will be decimated.

    Nigel and Kemi have it sewn up. If the Government issued new North Sea drilling licences for 2030 there would be no fuel crisis now. It is a compelling argument supported by Donald Trump, GB News, the Telegraph, the Mail, the Express and Nick Ferrari.
    Objectively though it’s daft to shut down profitable production. It won’t change prices globally but it would create wealth and tax income in the uk which could be used to subsidise prices if the government chose to
    They both want to abolish the windfall tax

    Handing money to oil companies who avoid and evade tax.

    Approaching summer we are closer to higher levels of solar and wind renewable are quickly reducing heating...

    Thats where quick reinvestment wins can be gleaned faster than drilling and cheaper.

    More wind, more solar, specifically more DIY solar that can generate we've in a few hours of winter sun.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,116

    HYUFD said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    We should have sent the RAF to attack Iranian missile sites as Kemi rightly said. If Trump commits ground troops we should join Israel and provide them with support from the air in my view too as that would be the only way to topple the regime.

    However as Starmer is in power neither will happen as he is sticking to his line offensive actions in Iran are not authorised under international law
    The US does not have a clear war aim. It is unclear how much they are aiming to topple the regime. Should we commit military forces to try to achieve our war aim (regime change) if we can't agree with the US what the war aims are?
    If they commit ground troops yes as that shows they want to topple the regime
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,190
    Foxy said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Starmer needs to get ahead of this oil crisis. Do some unpopular stuff that people will come to appreciate and will signal this is a big deal.

    Cut speed limits, mandate wfh where possible, introduce carpool lanes all over the place...

    Tories and Reform will oppose on reflex and it will show he's the serious politician thinking about national interest.

    Better still, apply speed limits to ICE vehicles only, thereby encouraging the switch to EVs.

    I am Ed Milliband and claim my £5.
    That would be top trolling of the petrol heads.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,767

    Why didn’t the Tories drill all of the oil they’ve apparently discovered since they left office?

    Why didn't they drill it all in 14 years in office
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,977

    ydoethur said:

    Here is a thought. Any suggestions on how plausible it is welcomed.

    If the Democrats win the House and the Senate, could they bring forward a bill saying that any individual involved in the Capitol Riots is ineligible to serve under the Fourteenth Amendment? (They should have done this in 2021, of course, but it doesn't seem to have occurred to them that the situation they faced of fraud and corruption in the Republicans would mean it was needed.)

    Yes, I know Trump would veto, but it would look bad for him.

    Wouldn’t a pardon cleanse that though?
    A pardon doesn't change the facts of what happened. If a bill says involvement in the Capitol Riots makes you ineligible, then being pardoned for any crimes committed is by the by, I would've thought, although it would depend on the precise wording of the bill and the Supreme (but very partisan) Court's interpretation.

    But the whole suggestion is a non-starter for many other reasons.
    I think the whole point of the presidential pardon is that it wipes the slate clean. It doesn’t change the facts but I am sure the courts would (rightly) say that the pardon would cancel any punishment.

    Pardons as used in the US are a complete abuse. At least in the UK we use them very sparingly
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,072
    edited 8:16AM

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    Was anyone ever that stupid

    HYFUD steps up and says Hell Yes
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,270
    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    We should have sent the RAF to attack Iranian missile sites as Kemi rightly said. If Trump commits ground troops we should join Israel and provide them with support from the air in my view too as that would be the only way to topple the regime.

    However as Starmer is in power neither will happen as he is sticking to his line offensive actions in Iran are not authorised under international law
    If we'd done that we'd be counting body bags in London, Birmingham, Glasgow, Cardiff, Belfast, Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle, Edinburgh and any other town or city

    Sleepers in our midst revenge lone rangers martyrs
    Forget all that. That is not the reason we should not be doing this. If Iran was a genuine threat to us and we needed to change the regime there then attacks in the UK are simply part of that scenario and one we have to deal with.

    The real issue here is we should not be attacking Iran or supporting the US and Israel in attacking them. They are not and were not a threat to ourselves, Europe or the US. They did not attack us. They did not attack the US or Israel. They were attacked and we should not be supporting or condoning the aggressors.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,072
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    We should have sent the RAF to attack Iranian missile sites as Kemi rightly said. If Trump commits ground troops we should join Israel and provide them with support from the air in my view too as that would be the only way to topple the regime.

    However as Starmer is in power neither will happen as he is sticking to his line offensive actions in Iran are not authorised under international law
    How many times do we have to tell you this is a stupid war that we should have nothing to do with.

    In fact the end result is always going to be paying Iran for access through the Straits so we may as well get on and start paying it.
    Iran executes homosexuals and hangs students who protested against its regime and oppresses women and has funded terrorism against Israel and the wider West. As a conservative I believe that if Trump fully commits to remove the evil regime in Iran we should join Israel and back him, having removed it we would also control the Straits again with a more sympathetic Iranian regime hopefully headed by the son of the late Shah and regime opponents in Iran and in exile
    NUTTER
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 135,116
    edited 8:16AM

    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Is anyone on Pb still of the view the UK should have joined the war?

    We should have sent the RAF to attack Iranian missile sites as Kemi rightly said. If Trump commits ground troops we should join Israel and provide them with support from the air in my view too as that would be the only way to topple the regime.

    However as Starmer is in power neither will happen as he is sticking to his line offensive actions in Iran are not authorised under international law
    How many times do we have to tell you this is a stupid war that we should have nothing to do with.

    In fact the end result is always going to be paying Iran for access through the Straits so we may as well get on and start paying it.
    Iran executes homosexuals and hangs students who protested against its regime and oppresses women and has funded terrorism against Israel and the wider West. As a conservative I believe that if Trump fully commits to remove the evil regime in Iran we should join Israel and back him, having removed it we would also control the Straits again with a more sympathetic Iranian regime hopefully headed by the son of the late Shah and regime opponents in Iran and in exile
    I think some minor corrections on your comments are worth making. Iran is hugely oppressive towards the lesbian and gay community, but Iran has not executed anyone for consensual homosexual acts alone for 20 years. Iran has funded terrorism against Israel, but then Israel has funded terrorism against Israel, and numerous other countries in the region have funded terrorism, including the UAE, Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

    More importantly, you suggest what we should do "if Trump fully commits to remove the evil regime in Iran", but Trump has not fully committed to removing the Iranian regime. So, what should we do given that?

    https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/iran-executes-2-gay-men-sodomy-charges-rights-group-says-rcna14540

    Plus
    https://fortune.com/2026/03/21/iran-executions-19-year-old-star-wrestler-regime-crackdown-dissent-us-war/
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