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A week is a long time in politics and war – politicalbetting.com

Trump 6 days ago: We don’t need the U.K.’s aircraft carriers.Trump today: “Hopefully China, France, Japan, South Korea, the UK, and others…will send Ships to the area” https://t.co/zeh1emFXqz pic.twitter.com/uBbaWJSJwl

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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646
    edited March 14
    First like England?

    Or Ireland...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,459
    In play ads can f##k right off.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,864

    In play ads can f##k right off.

    I am boycotting every company that has an ad in these matches.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,864
    It is a great tribute that the French are playing in the colour of the finest university in the world but holy hell, at times I cannot tell which team is which.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646
    Trump having a problem with the concept of "100%."

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,890
    How long does Trump now think this war is going to last? It took us a week to get 1 destroyer fit to leave port. 2 aircraft carriers? It will take months.

    And I would not be even remotely inclined to hurry to be frank.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,864
    Trump fundraising pitch features U.S. soldiers killed in Iran war

    The email solicitation to benefit Trump’s PAC also offers donors “private national security briefings.”


    https://www.ms.now/news/trump-fundraising-pitch-features-u-s-soldiers-killed-in-iran-war
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646

    It is a great tribute that the French are playing in the colour of the finest university in the world but holy hell, at times I cannot tell which team is which.

    They need to change to Oxford Blue at half time.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,892

    It is a great tribute that the French are playing in the colour of the finest university in the world but holy hell, at times I cannot tell which team is which.

    Talking of the French, some fake news flying around.

    ❌ No. 🇫🇷 aircraft carrier and its group staying the eastern Mediterranean. Posture has not changed: defensive it is.

    https://x.com/frenchresponse/status/2032887843954057364?s=46
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,547
    DavidL said:

    How long does Trump now think this war is going to last? It took us a week to get 1 destroyer fit to leave port. 2 aircraft carriers? It will take months.

    And I would not be even remotely inclined to hurry to be frank.

    What use are aicraft carriers as escort vessels?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,459
    edited March 14
    Stay calm...remember its the hope that kills you.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,914
    Repost as I posted this just before the new thread klaxon :

    As I know there are some people who like somewhat obscure shows kicking about, I've been rewatching this and quite enjoying it :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hine_(TV_series)

    "The series stars Barrie Ingham as international arms dealer Joe Hine. Paul Eddington portrays Astor Harris, an arms manufacturer with close ties to the British government, and John Steiner plays Hine's personal assistant Jeremy Windsor"

    Very much a time-capsule - but the familiar faces add a bit of colour. As does the make-up of some white actors as they play various different ethnicities. But as a little snapshot of the 'entrepreneur vs the blob' in 1971 terms - it's worth a shot. Ymmv :-)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,429
    "FAKE NEWS from the Cambridge-educated lawyer (aka. THE SCHEMING OGLES). Thank you for your attention to this matter!"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,429
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    How long does Trump now think this war is going to last? It took us a week to get 1 destroyer fit to leave port. 2 aircraft carriers? It will take months.

    And I would not be even remotely inclined to hurry to be frank.

    What use are aicraft carriers as escort vessels?
    Escort vessels? Epstein's kind of boats!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,890
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    How long does Trump now think this war is going to last? It took us a week to get 1 destroyer fit to leave port. 2 aircraft carriers? It will take months.

    And I would not be even remotely inclined to hurry to be frank.

    What use are aicraft carriers as escort vessels?
    If they are providing aircraft or helicopters to cover off drones or missiles I suppose.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,287
    Trump can fxck right off !

    I would love a European leader to stand up and tell him to do one. He’s done nothing but slag off Europe , hammered us with tariffs , insulted NATO troops and tried to interfere in elections , and betray Ukraine .

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,459
    edited March 14
    FFS England, they just needed to play out 1 minute and they concede multiple penalties.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,695

    Trump fundraising pitch features U.S. soldiers killed in Iran war

    The email solicitation to benefit Trump’s PAC also offers donors “private national security briefings.”


    https://www.ms.now/news/trump-fundraising-pitch-features-u-s-soldiers-killed-in-iran-war

    Why does Trump need or have a PAC?

    He cannot run again.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,429
    England ahead at HT??
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,676
    nico67 said:

    Trump can fxck right off !

    I would love a European leader to stand up and tell him to do one. He’s done nothing but slag off Europe , hammered us with tariffs , insulted NATO troops and tried to interfere in elections , and betray Ukraine .

    Meloni
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,775
    edited March 14

    Trump fundraising pitch features U.S. soldiers killed in Iran war

    The email solicitation to benefit Trump’s PAC also offers donors “private national security briefings.”


    https://www.ms.now/news/trump-fundraising-pitch-features-u-s-soldiers-killed-in-iran-war

    Why does Trump need or have a PAC?

    He cannot run again.
    Because he's willing to be very creative about how he uses the money donated to enrich himself.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,052

    England ahead at HT??

    Confident they'll manage to lose from.here.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,914
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    How long does Trump now think this war is going to last? It took us a week to get 1 destroyer fit to leave port. 2 aircraft carriers? It will take months.

    And I would not be even remotely inclined to hurry to be frank.

    What use are aicraft carriers as escort vessels?
    Drone-magnets. Cheap too, if they're not your aircraft carriers.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,086
    nico67 said:

    Trump can fxck right off !

    I would love a European leader to stand up and tell him to do one. He’s done nothing but slag off Europe , hammered us with tariffs , insulted NATO troops and tried to interfere in elections , and betray Ukraine .

    We should do it on condition that he publishes all the Epstein files that mention his name first.

    And then pays us $100 billion, cash, upfront.

    And then forget to send them.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646
    Arse.

    Penalty try.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,459
    edited March 14
    What a shit show....penalty try and yellow card...all they had to f##king do was keep the ball for 1 minute. Instead 3 penalties in 1 minute.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,904
    Cookie said:

    England ahead at HT??

    Confident they'll manage to lose from.here.
    All the signs are there...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646
    Cookie said:

    England ahead at HT??

    Confident they'll manage to lose from.here.
    Down a man for the first ten minutes of the second half.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,547
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    How long does Trump now think this war is going to last? It took us a week to get 1 destroyer fit to leave port. 2 aircraft carriers? It will take months.

    And I would not be even remotely inclined to hurry to be frank.

    What use are aicraft carriers as escort vessels?
    If they are providing aircraft or helicopters to cover off drones or missiles I suppose.
    Why not just base the aircraft and helicopters on land? The Strait of Hormuz is not wide.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,459
    edited March 14

    Arse.

    Penalty try.

    I think they f##ked up on basically every return of kick off be it knock on, penalty, etc in the first half.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,108
    MelonB said:

    It is a great tribute that the French are playing in the colour of the finest university in the world but holy hell, at times I cannot tell which team is which.

    Talking of the French, some fake news flying around.

    ❌ No. 🇫🇷 aircraft carrier and its group staying the eastern Mediterranean. Posture has not changed: defensive it is.

    https://x.com/frenchresponse/status/2032887843954057364?s=46
    I said on the last thread that this "ten warships" report was Les Bolleux, and I was right
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,892

    nico67 said:

    Trump can fxck right off !

    I would love a European leader to stand up and tell him to do one. He’s done nothing but slag off Europe , hammered us with tariffs , insulted NATO troops and tried to interfere in elections , and betray Ukraine .

    Meloni
    It seems so. The centrist’s favourite far right politician.

    Though Merz has got close today, and Macron is using the opportunity to show off the independent French deterrent, quite successfully.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,695
    British Trump latest:



    A Reform UK government would expect to dismiss the top civil servant in every government department and replace them with people seen as more likely to implement the party’s priorities, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/14/reform-uk-government-replace-top-civil-servants-people-aligned-policies
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,890
    Between this and the game at Murrayfield France are certainly providing the entertainment factor in this 6 nations.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,552
    A lot of anger here...The US fighting Netanyahu's wars isn't to everyone's taste......

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sGgW3LYzEYg
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,868
    DavidL said:

    Between this and the game at Murrayfield France are certainly providing the entertainment factor in this 6 nations.

    I think South Africa are the clear winners of this 6 nations...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,370

    British Trump latest:



    A Reform UK government would expect to dismiss the top civil servant in every government department and replace them with people seen as more likely to implement the party’s priorities, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/14/reform-uk-government-replace-top-civil-servants-people-aligned-policies

    Doesn't go nearly far enough.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,861
    @vcdgf555.bsky.social‬

    Drone strike hits Kuwait International Airport radar, no casualties reported.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,890
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    How long does Trump now think this war is going to last? It took us a week to get 1 destroyer fit to leave port. 2 aircraft carriers? It will take months.

    And I would not be even remotely inclined to hurry to be frank.

    What use are aicraft carriers as escort vessels?
    If they are providing aircraft or helicopters to cover off drones or missiles I suppose.
    Why not just base the aircraft and helicopters on land? The Strait of Hormuz is not wide.
    There may be a difference between a fixed location in an airfield and a target that moves around at sea. It depends on the level of technology they are facing.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,181
    nico67 said:

    Trump can fxck right off !

    I would love a European leader to stand up and tell him to do one. He’s done nothing but slag off Europe , hammered us with tariffs , insulted NATO troops and tried to interfere in elections , and betray Ukraine .

    Spain has done that right at the start. If only Starmer had stuck to his guns I suspect many more countries would have followed suit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646
    DavidL said:

    Between this and the game at Murrayfield France are certainly providing the entertainment factor in this 6 nations.

    By losing?

    Still going to be a tough 40 minute watch if you are Irish....
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,892

    British Trump latest:



    A Reform UK government would expect to dismiss the top civil servant in every government department and replace them with people seen as more likely to implement the party’s priorities, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/14/reform-uk-government-replace-top-civil-servants-people-aligned-policies

    They’ll replace them with apparatchiks and yes-men who don’t have a clue how to do the job. Half of them will realise this and just do what their junior civil servants suggest, meaning more of the same only less competent and with less review; the other half will go off on flights of fancy, wasting everyone’s time and money.
  • British Trump latest:



    A Reform UK government would expect to dismiss the top civil servant in every government department and replace them with people seen as more likely to implement the party’s priorities, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/14/reform-uk-government-replace-top-civil-servants-people-aligned-policies

    Civil Servants are supposed to be apolitical and implement the elected government's policies.

    It has been suggested for decades, eg Yes, Minister, let alone former politicians statements that the Civil Servants do instead obstruct the elected government's agenda.

    Any Civil Servant who is not prepared to implement the elected Government's agenda, whichever the Government, should see their employment terminated without compensation for Gross Misconduct.
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,303

    British Trump latest:



    A Reform UK government would expect to dismiss the top civil servant in every government department and replace them with people seen as more likely to implement the party’s priorities, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/14/reform-uk-government-replace-top-civil-servants-people-aligned-policies

    Doesn't go nearly far enough.
    I hope you'll be as sanguin when Prime Minister Polanski does the same thing.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646
    Scott_xP said:

    @vcdgf555.bsky.social‬

    Drone strike hits Kuwait International Airport radar, no casualties reported.

    At some point, the US military is going to get REALLY PISSED that the Russians are providing Iran with targetting data.

  • Stereodog said:

    British Trump latest:



    A Reform UK government would expect to dismiss the top civil servant in every government department and replace them with people seen as more likely to implement the party’s priorities, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/14/reform-uk-government-replace-top-civil-servants-people-aligned-policies

    Doesn't go nearly far enough.
    I hope you'll be as sanguin when Prime Minister Polanski does the same thing.
    If Polanski wins an election, he wins an election.

    That is democracy.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 22,264

    What a shit show....penalty try and yellow card...all they had to f##king do was keep the ball for 1 minute. Instead 3 penalties in 1 minute.

    The French seriously lucky earlier not to have had an equivalent. England scored so the offence was lost.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,892

    British Trump latest:



    A Reform UK government would expect to dismiss the top civil servant in every government department and replace them with people seen as more likely to implement the party’s priorities, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/14/reform-uk-government-replace-top-civil-servants-people-aligned-policies

    Civil Servants are supposed to be apolitical and implement the elected government's policies.

    It has been suggested for decades, eg Yes, Minister, let alone former politicians statements that the Civil Servants do instead obstruct the elected government's agenda.

    Any Civil Servant who is not prepared to implement the elected Government's agenda, whichever the Government, should see their employment terminated without compensation for Gross Misconduct.
    I’ve dealt with civil servants across multiple governments. Often the same people. They do exactly as you’d hope: focus on carrying out the programme of the government of the day.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,227
    A blast from the past from Trump:

    https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/147071816794509312

    Iran is closing the Strait of Hormuz for a military exercise. Imagine what they will do with nukes?!
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,892

    Scott_xP said:

    @vcdgf555.bsky.social‬

    Drone strike hits Kuwait International Airport radar, no casualties reported.

    At some point, the US military is going to get REALLY PISSED that the Russians are providing Iran with targetting data.

    They might, but Trump and friends won’t.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,181
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    How long does Trump now think this war is going to last? It took us a week to get 1 destroyer fit to leave port. 2 aircraft carriers? It will take months.

    And I would not be even remotely inclined to hurry to be frank.

    What use are aicraft carriers as escort vessels?
    That is exactly what they were used for in WW2 in the Atlantic. They were known as Escort Carriers

    That said, I get you point to some extent in the STraits but I suspect they would be kept at a distance and their aircraft used as the escorts
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,181
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    How long does Trump now think this war is going to last? It took us a week to get 1 destroyer fit to leave port. 2 aircraft carriers? It will take months.

    And I would not be even remotely inclined to hurry to be frank.

    What use are aicraft carriers as escort vessels?
    If they are providing aircraft or helicopters to cover off drones or missiles I suppose.
    Why not just base the aircraft and helicopters on land? The Strait of Hormuz is not wide.
    Perhaps because they wouild make good targets for missiles if they were flying from a fixed position.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646
    Arse.....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,683
    Has anyone actually replied to Trump's request for foreign ships?
    He's made it twice now.
    Is everyone just hoping he'll forget about it?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646
    Amateurs! Basic error....
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,181
    By the way I am amused to see @Luckyguy yet again going on about fracking at the end of the last thread. I have lost track of the number of times those who actually know something about this have told him it is not practical in the UK. Hell, even the head of Quadrilla who were at the forefront of exploring this has said it is not a viable proposition.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    How long does Trump now think this war is going to last? It took us a week to get 1 destroyer fit to leave port. 2 aircraft carriers? It will take months.

    And I would not be even remotely inclined to hurry to be frank.

    What use are aicraft carriers as escort vessels?
    If they are providing aircraft or helicopters to cover off drones or missiles I suppose.
    Why not just base the aircraft and helicopters on land? The Strait of Hormuz is not wide.
    Perhaps because they wouild make good targets for missiles if they were flying from a fixed position.
    The Americans don't seem to be able to protect a fixed location from missiles. It's a fundamental problem in this engagement.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646
    dixiedean said:

    Has anyone actually replied to Trump's request for foreign ships?
    He's made it twice now.
    Is everyone just hoping he'll forget about it?

    Ignore him - and he might go away....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,108

    British Trump latest:



    A Reform UK government would expect to dismiss the top civil servant in every government department and replace them with people seen as more likely to implement the party’s priorities, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/14/reform-uk-government-replace-top-civil-servants-people-aligned-policies

    Doesn't go nearly far enough.
    This paragraph is superb

    "The plan has prompted warnings that a shift towards a less stable and more politicised civil service could result in the loss of significant expertise and of institutional memory, and would make government less effective."

    Yes, because the main takeaway from the last 20 years of British governance is that it's "stable", full of "significant expertise" and "memory" and notably "effective"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,864
    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8
  • Well, at least England are very entertaining tonight..😏
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,683
    That bonus point draw scenario looks on.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,515

    Scott_xP said:

    @vcdgf555.bsky.social‬

    Drone strike hits Kuwait International Airport radar, no casualties reported.

    At some point, the US military is going to get REALLY PISSED that the Russians are providing Iran with targetting data.

    Are you talking about Hesgeth again?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,108

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,695

    By the way I am amused to see @Luckyguy yet again going on about fracking at the end of the last thread. I have lost track of the number of times those who actually know something about this have told him it is not practical in the UK. Hell, even the head of Quadrilla who were at the forefront of exploring this has said it is not a viable proposition.

    It's just become pure culture wars stuff. Nothing at all to do now with actual energy extraction or security. It is now apparently merely a test of whether you believe in Britain or not.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646
    What a game!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646
    77 points in 57 minutes...
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,539
    edited March 14
    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    As long as your cunning businessman politician is happy that joe average taxpayer is also doing everything possible to cleverly minimise their tax legally. If so, fair game.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,864
    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    Well as we saw with Angela Rayner and others the voters do not like tax minimisation strategies by politicians.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,864

    77 points in 57 minutes...

    I am not getting excited, England are going to lose this, I've made my peace with this situation.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,861

    77 points in 57 minutes...

    I am not getting excited, England are going to lose this, I've made my peace with this situation.
    England are going to extend Steve Borthwick's contract
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,287
    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    Tice used an elaborate tax avoidance scheme .

    I get your point but the optics are terrible . If you’re rich you can afford expensive accountants . Reforms core vote might wake up eventually and realize they’re being taken for fools .
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,108

    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    Well as we saw with Angela Rayner and others the voters do not like tax minimisation strategies by politicians.
    Rayner clearly broke the rules (and maybe the law? - I am not sure)

    Unless you can show the same with Tice - and maybe someone can - this story is a nothing-muffin

  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,892
    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    False dichotomy. You want an individual or business who has taken sensible steps not to pay more tax than they reasonably need to, but not strayed into tax planning that runs counter to the intent of the drafters of the legislation and would be likely to fail in court. Because the latter tends to suggest recklessness: many of Dan’s targets have ended up regretting their past behaviour.

    The good news is that by and large our largest and most successful businesses do exactly that.

    I’ve no idea whether Tice’s activities fall into that category, but they don’t smell entirely normal.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,227

    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    Well as we saw with Angela Rayner and others the voters do not like tax minimisation strategies by politicians.
    As we saw with Farage's house being owned by his girlfriend, when it's legal, the story doesn't go anywhere.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,287
    Are RU defences crap now or is this just a case of great attacking play ?

    This 6 nations has been wild .

  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,108
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    Tice used an elaborate tax avoidance scheme .

    I get your point but the optics are terrible . If you’re rich you can afford expensive accountants . Reforms core vote might wake up eventually and realize they’re being taken for fools .
    As a person currently intending to vote Reform, I assure you this is twaddle

    Reform's base is hardworking average Brits, like me. They see a man keeping his tax low - legally - they won't give a fuck. Many will admire it
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,861
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Iranian General Mohsen Rezaei outlined Iran’s demands for any Trump negotiations to end the war: “The US must compensate Iran for damage caused by the bombing.

    “American military bases must withdraw from the Gulf region.” (Iranian TV)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,108
    edited March 14
    MelonB said:

    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    False dichotomy. You want an individual or business who has taken sensible steps not to pay more tax than they reasonably need to, but not strayed into tax planning that runs counter to the intent of the drafters of the legislation and would be likely to fail in court. Because the latter tends to suggest recklessness: many of Dan’s targets have ended up regretting their past behaviour.

    The good news is that by and large our largest and most successful businesses do exactly that.

    I’ve no idea whether Tice’s activities fall into that category, but they don’t smell entirely normal.
    No one will give a fuck unless actual law-breaking is proven. This is, to say the least, moot

    Also, what utter fuckwittery is this

    "but not strayed into tax planning that runs counter to the intent of the drafters of the legislation and would be likely to fail in court"

    lol. Yeah. That's how everyone thinks

    Go back to yer Bacchus
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,227
    The peace process is complete.

    https://x.com/GerryAdamsSF/status/2032912813572698317

    Cmon England!!!
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 16,892

    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    Well as we saw with Angela Rayner and others the voters do not like tax minimisation strategies by politicians.
    As we saw with Farage's house being owned by his girlfriend, when it's legal, the story doesn't go anywhere.
    Not so much with the US tech giants though. Everything they did was not only legal, but far less egregious than much of the personal tax planning that our ultra rich do routinely.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,370
    Stereodog said:

    British Trump latest:



    A Reform UK government would expect to dismiss the top civil servant in every government department and replace them with people seen as more likely to implement the party’s priorities, the Guardian has learned.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/14/reform-uk-government-replace-top-civil-servants-people-aligned-policies

    Doesn't go nearly far enough.
    I hope you'll be as sanguin when Prime Minister Polanski does the same thing.
    I would be, because the Civil Service is there to implement the democratically expressed will of the people, through parliament.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,287
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    Tice used an elaborate tax avoidance scheme .

    I get your point but the optics are terrible . If you’re rich you can afford expensive accountants . Reforms core vote might wake up eventually and realize they’re being taken for fools .
    As a person currently intending to vote Reform, I assure you this is twaddle

    Reform's base is hardworking average Brits, like me. They see a man keeping his tax low - legally - they won't give a fuck. Many will admire it
    You just called yourself a hardworking average Brit !
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,108
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    Tice used an elaborate tax avoidance scheme .

    I get your point but the optics are terrible . If you’re rich you can afford expensive accountants . Reforms core vote might wake up eventually and realize they’re being taken for fools .
    As a person currently intending to vote Reform, I assure you this is twaddle

    Reform's base is hardworking average Brits, like me. They see a man keeping his tax low - legally - they won't give a fuck. Many will admire it
    You just called yourself a hardworking average Brit !
    Coz I is
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,864
    edited March 14
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    Well as we saw with Angela Rayner and others the voters do not like tax minimisation strategies by politicians.
    Rayner clearly broke the rules (and maybe the law? - I am not sure)

    Unless you can show the same with Tice - and maybe someone can - this story is a nothing-muffin

    So you're not sure but your pontificating on this subject, stick to subjects you're knowledgeable about like using drugs, hiring hookers, and saying Liz Truss would be an awesome PM.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,081

    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    Well as we saw with Angela Rayner and others the voters do not like tax minimisation strategies by politicians.
    As we saw with Farage's house being owned by his girlfriend, when it's legal, the story doesn't go anywhere.
    Farage having a tame media helps too.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,108

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    Well as we saw with Angela Rayner and others the voters do not like tax minimisation strategies by politicians.
    Rayner clearly broke the rules (and maybe the law? - I am not sure)

    Unless you can show the same with Tice - and maybe someone can - this story is a nothing-muffin

    So you're not sure but your pontificating on this subject, stick to subjects you're knowledgeable about like using drugs, hiring hookers, and saying Liz Truss would be an awesome PM.
    You live in SHEFFIELD with your MUM
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,864
    edited March 14
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Dan Neidle is on the case.

    Reform’s Richard Tice avoided nearly £600,000 in tax

    The deputy leader’s property company paid nothing in corporation tax on multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018-21


    The deputy leader of Reform UK avoided nearly £600,000 in corporation tax after obtaining a rare legal status for his company.

    Richard Tice then channelled dividends, paid by the company, into structures including an offshore trust and a string of dormant businesses. Several did not pay any tax during the relevant period.

    The MP for Boston & Skegness has served as Nigel Farage’s candidate for deputy prime minister since the last general election, and is also Reform’s spokesman for business, trade and energy.

    It can be revealed today that his property company paid nothing in corporation tax on its multimillion-pound profits for most of 2018 to 2021. During the period, he served as leader of Reform; chairman of its forerunner, the Brexit Party; and a member of the European parliament.

    He was still personally liable to pay tax on the dividends, but his company’s ownership structure — which included a trust in Jersey, three shell companies and a pension investment vehicle — further reduced his exposure to tax. In one year, four of six entities which received dividends paid no tax on them.

    Dan Neidle, founder of Tax Policy Associates, said it was possible Tice was engaged in “highly aggressive tax planning”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/reform-deputy-leader-richard-tice-tax-5r93t6dg8

    The very definition of a non-story, unless he's proven to have done something illegal

    Indeed, it makes me more likely to vote for him

    Do you want a businessman politician who dutifully pays the maximum amount of taxes without any attempt to legally lower them, or a cunning businessman poliitician who cleverly minimises tax, legally?

    You want the latter
    Well as we saw with Angela Rayner and others the voters do not like tax minimisation strategies by politicians.
    Rayner clearly broke the rules (and maybe the law? - I am not sure)

    Unless you can show the same with Tice - and maybe someone can - this story is a nothing-muffin

    So you're not sure but your pontificating on this subject, stick to subjects you're knowledgeable about like using drugs, hiring hookers, and saying Liz Truss would be an awesome PM.
    You live in SHEFFIELD with your MUM
    And?

    Oh by the way, I see you continue to talk about AI, next time you do, I shall be changing your username to Low_IQ_Leon, because you have such a low IQ you don't seem to understand simple site rules.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,515

    By the way I am amused to see @Luckyguy yet again going on about fracking at the end of the last thread. I have lost track of the number of times those who actually know something about this have told him it is not practical in the UK. Hell, even the head of Quadrilla who were at the forefront of exploring this has said it is not a viable proposition.

    It's just become pure culture wars stuff. Nothing at all to do now with actual energy extraction or security. It is now apparently merely a test of whether you believe in Britain or not.
    Sadly, this is completely true.

    It's like the WW1 "stabbed in the back" myth, that Germany would have won without the shadowy cabal having sabotaged them.

    Only in this case, it's a shadowy cabal that caused Cuadrilla and iGas to fail to drill a single well that encountered commercial quantities of natural gas.

    And the really bizarre thing is that there actually is a good story of the UK government having fucked up its hydrocarbons strategy: it's just in the North Sea, rather than the Bowland Shale.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,864
    rcs1000 said:

    By the way I am amused to see @Luckyguy yet again going on about fracking at the end of the last thread. I have lost track of the number of times those who actually know something about this have told him it is not practical in the UK. Hell, even the head of Quadrilla who were at the forefront of exploring this has said it is not a viable proposition.

    It's just become pure culture wars stuff. Nothing at all to do now with actual energy extraction or security. It is now apparently merely a test of whether you believe in Britain or not.
    Sadly, this is completely true.

    It's like the WW1 "stabbed in the back" myth, that Germany would have won without the shadowy cabal having sabotaged them.

    Only in this case, it's a shadowy cabal that caused Cuadrilla and iGas to fail to drill a single well that encountered commercial quantities of natural gas.

    And the really bizarre thing is that there actually is a good story of the UK government having fucked up its hydrocarbons strategy: it's just in the North Sea, rather than the Bowland Shale.
    Lest we forget Reform's energy policy is pure Arthur Scargil.

    Restart coal mining and bring back traditional steelmaking to Wales, says Nigel Farage

    https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2025-06-09/farage-restart-coal-mining-and-bring-back-traditional-steelmaking-to-wales
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,108
    This is going to be the worst result for England

    A spirited defeat that the RFU will decide "shows signs of improvement" and so Borthwick and Co stay in place, and nothing ever gets won

    But, a defeat. Four defeats in a row. Totally unacceptable in the 6N for a nation with the money and player pool of England
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,370
    edited March 14

    By the way I am amused to see @Luckyguy yet again going on about fracking at the end of the last thread. I have lost track of the number of times those who actually know something about this have told him it is not practical in the UK. Hell, even the head of Quadrilla who were at the forefront of exploring this has said it is not a viable proposition.

    I'm sure you can't mean you, because what you offered was a biased load of vapid bilge® stemming from your resentment about land-based oil extraction not facing the same health and safety constraints as off-shore - the field that you make your living from. You are not an impartial observer, and the point remains, if it is impractical, non-commercial, non-viable, and all the rest of the bollocks that's spouted about it, there is no need for a ban. Let people take the commercial risk if they want.

    By the way, I have every sympathy with your frustrations. I want regulations to be sensible and as light as possible on all industries.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,515
    rcs1000 said:

    By the way I am amused to see @Luckyguy yet again going on about fracking at the end of the last thread. I have lost track of the number of times those who actually know something about this have told him it is not practical in the UK. Hell, even the head of Quadrilla who were at the forefront of exploring this has said it is not a viable proposition.

    It's just become pure culture wars stuff. Nothing at all to do now with actual energy extraction or security. It is now apparently merely a test of whether you believe in Britain or not.
    Sadly, this is completely true.

    It's like the WW1 "stabbed in the back" myth, that Germany would have won without the shadowy cabal having sabotaged them.

    Only in this case, it's a shadowy cabal that caused Cuadrilla and iGas to fail to drill a single well that encountered commercial quantities of natural gas.

    And the really bizarre thing is that there actually is a good story of the UK government having fucked up its hydrocarbons strategy: it's just in the North Sea, rather than the Bowland Shale.
    There is actually an interesting potential unconventional source of syngas in the UK, and that is in-situ gasification of coal fields. The issue is the risk of pollution of ground water, which happened at the Chinchilla project in Queensland. BUT: the potential is definitely there, and it could be a really interesting, relatively cheap, secure source of domestic energy.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,864
    Uh oh.

    The Trump administration is considering intervening in oil markets to push down prices, despite warnings that it would risk a “biblical disaster”.

    Doug Burgum, the US interior secretary, said officials had discussed trading in the so-called futures markets after war in Iran saw the price of oil end last week at $103 a barrel.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/03/08/oil-expected-to-surge-past-100-for-first-time-in-four-years/
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 34,370
    edited March 14
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    By the way I am amused to see @Luckyguy yet again going on about fracking at the end of the last thread. I have lost track of the number of times those who actually know something about this have told him it is not practical in the UK. Hell, even the head of Quadrilla who were at the forefront of exploring this has said it is not a viable proposition.

    It's just become pure culture wars stuff. Nothing at all to do now with actual energy extraction or security. It is now apparently merely a test of whether you believe in Britain or not.
    Sadly, this is completely true.

    It's like the WW1 "stabbed in the back" myth, that Germany would have won without the shadowy cabal having sabotaged them.

    Only in this case, it's a shadowy cabal that caused Cuadrilla and iGas to fail to drill a single well that encountered commercial quantities of natural gas.

    And the really bizarre thing is that there actually is a good story of the UK government having fucked up its hydrocarbons strategy: it's just in the North Sea, rather than the Bowland Shale.
    There is actually an interesting potential unconventional source of syngas in the UK, and that is in-situ gasification of coal fields. The issue is the risk of pollution of ground water, which happened at the Chinchilla project in Queensland. BUT: the potential is definitely there, and it could be a really interesting, relatively cheap, secure source of domestic energy.
    Sorry to point this out, but you are not remotely an impartial observer either. In one of your relatively rare high quality observations on UK fracking, you agreed that the ban was not justified. I agree. I think that's where we should leave it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,646
    FUCKING YES!!!!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,864
    Oh my word.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,861

    Uh oh.

    The Trump administration is considering intervening in oil markets to push down prices, despite warnings that it would risk a “biblical disaster”.

    Doug Burgum, the US interior secretary, said officials had discussed trading in the so-called futures markets after war in Iran saw the price of oil end last week at $103 a barrel.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/03/08/oil-expected-to-surge-past-100-for-first-time-in-four-years/

    Some people think they already intervened last week
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,864
    If you had only watched England first and last match of this Six Nations you would have thought this is one of the greatest ever England teams.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,515

    Uh oh.

    The Trump administration is considering intervening in oil markets to push down prices, despite warnings that it would risk a “biblical disaster”.

    Doug Burgum, the US interior secretary, said officials had discussed trading in the so-called futures markets after war in Iran saw the price of oil end last week at $103 a barrel.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/03/08/oil-expected-to-surge-past-100-for-first-time-in-four-years/

    If the US were to release some of its strategic petroleum reserve, that would actually be a pretty sensible stabiliser. Albeit one where you want to be quite measured in your approach: you don't want to dampen domestic oil production.

    If, on the other hand, the US were to try and use the futures market to drive the oil price down... well, I'm not sure that is such a smart idea. Because when you sell a future's contract, you are guaranteeing to deliver a barrel of oil to Cushing Oklahoma on a certain date. If you've sold a bunch of barrels you don't own to drive down the price, then you're going to need to find other people (at the last minute) to sell them to you.
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