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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,020
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Barnesian said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's impressive in a way.
    Even Iraq vets Blair and Campbell couldn't have spouted this nonsense with a straight face.

    Trump: "Based on what Steve and Jared and Pete and others were telling me, Marco is so involved, I thought they were going to attack us"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2031128968829526122

    It's starting to dawn on him that this is a debacle from which he needs to distant himself.

    They probably embarked on Operation Epstein Fury because they managed to convince themselves it would be easy. See also the SMO, Suez and Leeds Utd's 2000/2001 Champions League campaign
    Looks like Rubio is going to be set up for the fall, rather than Hegseth.
    Well, he's got eyes on the Presidency hasn't he. Which could be a problem for Vance or Don Jr.
    FPT. I have a hunch that Trump will endorse Newsom for the Presidency in 2028 for a number of reasons.
    1. It will be very dramatic and newsworthy. Trump will remain the centre of attention.
    2. Newsom looks the part.
    3. He despises Vance and little Rubio and thinks they are nothing without him.
    4. He might be able to do a deal with Newsom to protect himself and his family from litigation in return for his endorsement.

    As a means of sinking Newsom's bid for the job it might work.

    But actually Trump has been publicly musing about supporting Rubio instead of Vance.
    I so look forward to the day when whatever he is 'musing' about becomes of interest to friends and family only.
    When (if) he leaves office, his every utterance is going to be waited on with bated breath, interpreted intensely and fervently. He will end his days incredibly rich, still powerful, and beloved by millions.
    Or reviled and ignored in equal measures.

    Could go either way.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,347
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Barnesian said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's impressive in a way.
    Even Iraq vets Blair and Campbell couldn't have spouted this nonsense with a straight face.

    Trump: "Based on what Steve and Jared and Pete and others were telling me, Marco is so involved, I thought they were going to attack us"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2031128968829526122

    It's starting to dawn on him that this is a debacle from which he needs to distant himself.

    They probably embarked on Operation Epstein Fury because they managed to convince themselves it would be easy. See also the SMO, Suez and Leeds Utd's 2000/2001 Champions League campaign
    Looks like Rubio is going to be set up for the fall, rather than Hegseth.
    Well, he's got eyes on the Presidency hasn't he. Which could be a problem for Vance or Don Jr.
    FPT. I have a hunch that Trump will endorse Newsom for the Presidency in 2028 for a number of reasons.
    1. It will be very dramatic and newsworthy. Trump will remain the centre of attention.
    2. Newsom looks the part.
    3. He despises Vance and little Rubio and thinks they are nothing without him.
    4. He might be able to do a deal with Newsom to protect himself and his family from litigation in return for his endorsement.

    As a means of sinking Newsom's bid for the job it might work.

    But actually Trump has been publicly musing about supporting Rubio instead of Vance.
    I so look forward to the day when whatever he is 'musing' about becomes of interest to friends and family only.
    When (if) he leaves office, his every utterance is going to be waited on with bated breath, interpreted intensely and fervently. He will end his days incredibly rich, still powerful, and beloved by millions.
    We'll see about that.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,764
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Sure, the previous Tory government created loads of problems, a mess that is so big, and so deep and so tall that it feels impossible to fix, there is no way at all.

    But Labour are making things worse.

    So much so you could forgive people for thinking they might need the Tories back to fix it.
    Thats like bringing back the guy who chopped somebody's head off to glue it back on

    Tories in utter denial to the extent of the shit show they left behind after 14 years of under investment

    Refuse to back any measure to fix anything, because the Tory Leader has an issue with agreeing with anyone and has to argue about everything.
    I voted Labour in 2024, and they need to be a lot more persuasive to convince me about this - the Tories having done a bad job is not reason enough in itself to be compelling.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,466

    Brixian59 said:

    More In Common is pretty positive for Sir Keir.

    If they can take the moment and do something on cost of living they’re right back in the game IMHO.

    Is there a new Mic poll?
    Theres some polling on Iran and Trump/Starmer, the VI will be out late tonight or in the morning
    How come our incorrecthorsebat thinks they have seen it?
    The data on Iran is on Luke Tryls twitter feed
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,764
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Barnesian said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    It's impressive in a way.
    Even Iraq vets Blair and Campbell couldn't have spouted this nonsense with a straight face.

    Trump: "Based on what Steve and Jared and Pete and others were telling me, Marco is so involved, I thought they were going to attack us"
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/2031128968829526122

    It's starting to dawn on him that this is a debacle from which he needs to distant himself.

    They probably embarked on Operation Epstein Fury because they managed to convince themselves it would be easy. See also the SMO, Suez and Leeds Utd's 2000/2001 Champions League campaign
    Looks like Rubio is going to be set up for the fall, rather than Hegseth.
    Well, he's got eyes on the Presidency hasn't he. Which could be a problem for Vance or Don Jr.
    FPT. I have a hunch that Trump will endorse Newsom for the Presidency in 2028 for a number of reasons.
    1. It will be very dramatic and newsworthy. Trump will remain the centre of attention.
    2. Newsom looks the part.
    3. He despises Vance and little Rubio and thinks they are nothing without him.
    4. He might be able to do a deal with Newsom to protect himself and his family from litigation in return for his endorsement.

    As a means of sinking Newsom's bid for the job it might work.

    But actually Trump has been publicly musing about supporting Rubio instead of Vance.
    I so look forward to the day when whatever he is 'musing' about becomes of interest to friends and family only.
    When (if) he leaves office, his every utterance is going to be waited on with bated breath, interpreted intensely and fervently. He will end his days incredibly rich, still powerful, and beloved by millions.
    Or reviled and ignored in equal measures.

    Could go either way.
    Oh, he'll get plenty of being reviled too, but he'll just stick to Mar-a-lago and golf courses, emerging to receive cringe inducing praise from those who still love him. Opinions can change, but there's simply too many people too intensely worshipful of Trump (and seemingly sincere) for me to believe more than, say, half will 'move on' or 'wake up'.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,765
    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,023
    scampi25 said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    OT You must watch this Lebanese journalist. She's so typical of the Lebanese. Really fun and feisty. I'd love to put her in a room with those morons Trump and Hegseth. She'd eat them alive! She's so much brighter than both of them. Where do these right wing nutters get their ideas

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tQnH77XxBE

    She's right about the nonsense rhetoric coming from the US administration that pretends Iran is like, say, the Taliban's Afghanistan in terms of oppression. Women are not required to wear a burqa. Women are not barred from education. Iran has very high rates of female participation in even higher education, with higher rates than the US in STEM subjects ( https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/iran-female-literacy-rate/ ). Iran does have a murderous regime and oppression is rife, including gender-based (e.g., all those women with higher degrees then struggle to get jobs). Women don't have to wear a burqa, but do have to wear a headscarf.

    But it is a mistake to think of Iran as another Afghanistan.
    To me she's typical of most of the countries in those parts.. They have some rules that everyone ignores like they don't let you share a room with someone who doesn't have the same surname but I've never known anyone who enforces it. Apart from Saudi and Afghanistan you can do more or less what you want.

    I've never worked in Iran but I've shot a raunchy underwear ad in Beirut that wouldn't have passed the ITCA in the UK. The other thing I always notice is how cultured the people are. They know films from different countries. They're old civilisations and even the most junior people often surprise you with their lateral thinking. My Turkish producer is gay and she's taken me to places in Istanbul I didn't know existed anywhere! They've also got more varieties of dope than Costa have varieties of coffee!
    Sweet Jesus Christ

    "Apart from Saudi and Afghanistan you can do more or less what you want."

    A woman in Iran was literally beaten to death by the regime, for not wearing a hijab properly

    "On 16 September 2022, 22-year-old Kurdish-Iranian woman Mahsa Amini,[a] also known as Jina Amini,[b][1][2][3] died in a hospital in Tehran, Iran, under suspicious circumstances. The Guidance Patrol, the religious morality police of Iran's government, had arrested Amini for allegedly not wearing the hijab in accordance with government standards. The Law Enforcement Command of the Islamic Republic of Iran stated that she had a heart attack at a police station, collapsed, and fell into a coma before being transferred to a hospital.[4][5] However, eyewitnesses, including women who were detained with Amini, reported that she was severely beaten and that she died as a result of police brutality,[6][7][8] which was denied by the Iranian authorities.[9] The assertions of police brutality, in addition to leaked medical scans,[10] led some observers to believe Amini had a cerebral hemorrhage or stroke due to head injuries received after her arrest.[11]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mahsa_Amini#:~:text=A series of protests and,hijab law—while visiting Tehran

    Every time this subject comes up, you ridiculous, pathetic, tiny-brained fecal burp of a man, your trot out this low IQ story about some tampon ad you did in Beirut in 1977 and how everyone in the Middle East is therefore sexy and liberated and nice, as if this dismal cringefest of a micro-story proves anything other than your absolute confusion, and your intellectual effeminacy, and the entire reason your pitiful career never got beyond shooting stupid TV ads for tampons about 9000 years ago

    You're not wrong but it's pointless wasting time with this idiot .
    Well yes. I long ago realised that @roger is genuinely and hopelessly dim. A minor public schoolboy with a tiny walnut of a brain. And normally I pass over his remarks accordingly

    But occasionally he will say something so obnoxiously offensively stupid it needs to be noted. QED
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,460

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Who said this in 2020?

    Jury trials are a fundamental part of our democratic settlement. Criminal trials without juries are a bad idea.

    The Government need to pull their finger out and acquire empty public buildings across the country to make sure these can happen in a way that is safe.


    The answer is David Lammy.
    Is the bottleneck the lack of venues or the lack of Judges and barristers?
    My experience as a juror is that the system is quite inefficient and the delays have little to do with jurors, however to be fair to them, they got an independent expert, Leveson, to look into it and make recommendations on how to speed things up. That he decided the issue was juries, rather than the professionals, is unfortunate.
    They probably should have got an independent non-legal expert to look at the process, then they might have got some useful recommendations.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,533

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    Did he add "...I suppose" at the end?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,502

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Sure, the previous Tory government created loads of problems, a mess that is so big, and so deep and so tall that it feels impossible to fix, there is no way at all.

    But Labour are making things worse.

    So much so you could forgive people for thinking they might need the Tories back to fix it.
    I think Thing 1 has now defected to Reform, and Thing 2 is wavering.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,764

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,833
    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    A pretty dramatic speech in the Commons:

    "WATCH: Labour MP Charlotte Nichols reveals she was raped as an MP as she opposes the jury trial reforms

    "I waited 1,088 days to go to court. We've been told [by the Government] that if we have concerns about this Bill, it's because we've not been raped""

    https://bsky.app/profile/politicsuk.com/post/3mgpuu5yjm225

    That is very powerful
    Parliament at its best.
    It absolutely is. People who have lived this. Suffered this. Had justice, somewhat slowly. Very, very moving.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,347
    Leon said:

    scampi25 said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    OT You must watch this Lebanese journalist. She's so typical of the Lebanese. Really fun and feisty. I'd love to put her in a room with those morons Trump and Hegseth. She'd eat them alive! She's so much brighter than both of them. Where do these right wing nutters get their ideas

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tQnH77XxBE

    She's right about the nonsense rhetoric coming from the US administration that pretends Iran is like, say, the Taliban's Afghanistan in terms of oppression. Women are not required to wear a burqa. Women are not barred from education. Iran has very high rates of female participation in even higher education, with higher rates than the US in STEM subjects ( https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/iran-female-literacy-rate/ ). Iran does have a murderous regime and oppression is rife, including gender-based (e.g., all those women with higher degrees then struggle to get jobs). Women don't have to wear a burqa, but do have to wear a headscarf.

    But it is a mistake to think of Iran as another Afghanistan.
    To me she's typical of most of the countries in those parts.. They have some rules that everyone ignores like they don't let you share a room with someone who doesn't have the same surname but I've never known anyone who enforces it. Apart from Saudi and Afghanistan you can do more or less what you want.

    I've never worked in Iran but I've shot a raunchy underwear ad in Beirut that wouldn't have passed the ITCA in the UK. The other thing I always notice is how cultured the people are. They know films from different countries. They're old civilisations and even the most junior people often surprise you with their lateral thinking. My Turkish producer is gay and she's taken me to places in Istanbul I didn't know existed anywhere! They've also got more varieties of dope than Costa have varieties of coffee!
    Sweet Jesus Christ

    "Apart from Saudi and Afghanistan you can do more or less what you want."

    A woman in Iran was literally beaten to death by the regime, for not wearing a hijab properly

    "On 16 September 2022, 22-year-old Kurdish-Iranian woman Mahsa Amini,[a] also known as Jina Amini,[b][1][2][3] died in a hospital in Tehran, Iran, under suspicious circumstances. The Guidance Patrol, the religious morality police of Iran's government, had arrested Amini for allegedly not wearing the hijab in accordance with government standards. The Law Enforcement Command of the Islamic Republic of Iran stated that she had a heart attack at a police station, collapsed, and fell into a coma before being transferred to a hospital.[4][5] However, eyewitnesses, including women who were detained with Amini, reported that she was severely beaten and that she died as a result of police brutality,[6][7][8] which was denied by the Iranian authorities.[9] The assertions of police brutality, in addition to leaked medical scans,[10] led some observers to believe Amini had a cerebral hemorrhage or stroke due to head injuries received after her arrest.[11]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mahsa_Amini#:~:text=A series of protests and,hijab law—while visiting Tehran

    Every time this subject comes up, you ridiculous, pathetic, tiny-brained fecal burp of a man, your trot out this low IQ story about some tampon ad you did in Beirut in 1977 and how everyone in the Middle East is therefore sexy and liberated and nice, as if this dismal cringefest of a micro-story proves anything other than your absolute confusion, and your intellectual effeminacy, and the entire reason your pitiful career never got beyond shooting stupid TV ads for tampons about 9000 years ago

    You're not wrong but it's pointless wasting time with this idiot .
    Well yes. I long ago realised that @roger is genuinely and hopelessly dim. A minor public schoolboy with a tiny walnut of a brain. And normally I pass over his remarks accordingly

    But occasionally he will say something so obnoxiously offensively stupid it needs to be noted. QED
    He was opining on the 'national character' of various peoples. I'd have thought you would relate to that.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,379
    Have we covered this?

    MPs have voted against a proposal to ban under-16s from using social media.
    The Conservatives had pushed for the move via an amendment to the government's flagship education legislation currently going through parliament: the Children's Wellbeing and Schools Bill.
    It had been backed by the House of Lords, but was defeated in the Commons on Monday night by 307 votes to 173.

    During the debate, shadow education secretary Laura Trott described the situation as an "emergency",
    "No more guidance, no more consultations. Legislate, do something about it," she said.

    The way Labour opposed the amendment shows their thinking, and must make it unlikely there will be a ban. “education minister Olivia Bailey cited concerns from children's charities that an outright ban on under-16s using social media could drive them towards "less regulated corners of the internet", or leave them "unprepared" for how to navigate the online world.”

    The latter point is what I argued from the start against the ban.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,517
    kle4 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Sure, the previous Tory government created loads of problems, a mess that is so big, and so deep and so tall that it feels impossible to fix, there is no way at all.

    But Labour are making things worse.

    So much so you could forgive people for thinking they might need the Tories back to fix it.
    Thats like bringing back the guy who chopped somebody's head off to glue it back on

    Tories in utter denial to the extent of the shit show they left behind after 14 years of under investment

    Refuse to back any measure to fix anything, because the Tory Leader has an issue with agreeing with anyone and has to argue about everything.
    I voted Labour in 2024, and they need to be a lot more persuasive to convince me about this - the Tories having done a bad job is not reason enough in itself to be compelling.
    Closing in on 2 years in office, with numerous u turns and a prime minister with worse ratings than any pm, the public are simply tired of excuses and blamimg the other lot

    You are in office labour - get a grip
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,191
    DavidL said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Foxy said:

    A pretty dramatic speech in the Commons:

    "WATCH: Labour MP Charlotte Nichols reveals she was raped as an MP as she opposes the jury trial reforms

    "I waited 1,088 days to go to court. We've been told [by the Government] that if we have concerns about this Bill, it's because we've not been raped""

    https://bsky.app/profile/politicsuk.com/post/3mgpuu5yjm225

    That is very powerful
    Parliament at its best.
    It absolutely is. People who have lived this. Suffered this. Had justice, somewhat slowly. Very, very moving.
    Yes but the morons will still vote for the bill so hardly at its best.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,765
    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Who said this in 2020?

    Jury trials are a fundamental part of our democratic settlement. Criminal trials without juries are a bad idea.

    The Government need to pull their finger out and acquire empty public buildings across the country to make sure these can happen in a way that is safe.


    The answer is David Lammy.
    Is the bottleneck the lack of venues or the lack of Judges and barristers?
    My experience as a juror is that the system is quite inefficient and the delays have little to do with jurors, however to be fair to them, they got an independent expert, Leveson, to look into it and make recommendations on how to speed things up. That he decided the issue was juries, rather than the professionals, is unfortunate.
    They probably should have got an independent non-legal expert to look at the process, then they might have got some useful recommendations.
    DavidL will be able to tell you it is all of the above and then some.

    I have heard that jury selection and juror misconduct is another issue.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gry91y8y8o

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/ex-irwin-mitchell-solicitor-who-blew-trial-suspended-eight-years

    Citizen journalists are also a menace.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,764

    kle4 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Sure, the previous Tory government created loads of problems, a mess that is so big, and so deep and so tall that it feels impossible to fix, there is no way at all.

    But Labour are making things worse.

    So much so you could forgive people for thinking they might need the Tories back to fix it.
    Thats like bringing back the guy who chopped somebody's head off to glue it back on

    Tories in utter denial to the extent of the shit show they left behind after 14 years of under investment

    Refuse to back any measure to fix anything, because the Tory Leader has an issue with agreeing with anyone and has to argue about everything.
    I voted Labour in 2024, and they need to be a lot more persuasive to convince me about this - the Tories having done a bad job is not reason enough in itself to be compelling.
    Closing in on 2 years in office, with numerous u turns and a prime minister with worse ratings than any pm, the public are simply tired of excuses and blamimg the other lot

    You are in office labour - get a grip
    Yes and no. Labour were still blaming the last government when Brown was in office, more than 10 years in, and the Tories did the same when they had been in power for that long too. So I don't expect we will see an end to blaming the previous government any time soon, and it's not even entirely unfair a mere 2 years in.

    But the need to actually address the problems is more significant than whether they can successfully blame the current parlous state of, well, so many things, on the Tories.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,023
    edited 7:30PM
    kle4 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Sure, the previous Tory government created loads of problems, a mess that is so big, and so deep and so tall that it feels impossible to fix, there is no way at all.

    But Labour are making things worse.

    So much so you could forgive people for thinking they might need the Tories back to fix it.
    Thats like bringing back the guy who chopped somebody's head off to glue it back on

    Tories in utter denial to the extent of the shit show they left behind after 14 years of under investment

    Refuse to back any measure to fix anything, because the Tory Leader has an issue with agreeing with anyone and has to argue about everything.
    I voted Labour in 2024, and they need to be a lot more persuasive to convince me about this - the Tories having done a bad job is not reason enough in itself to be compelling.
    Likewise, I voted Labour in 2024 and - this will come as a shock to the site - I am genuinely unsure I will repeat that vote in 2029. So they've possibly lost the d'Annunzio-esque libertarian bohosexual kink-friendly voter in Primrose Hill borders
  • Leon said:

    scampi25 said:

    Leon said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    OT You must watch this Lebanese journalist. She's so typical of the Lebanese. Really fun and feisty. I'd love to put her in a room with those morons Trump and Hegseth. She'd eat them alive! She's so much brighter than both of them. Where do these right wing nutters get their ideas

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tQnH77XxBE

    She's right about the nonsense rhetoric coming from the US administration that pretends Iran is like, say, the Taliban's Afghanistan in terms of oppression. Women are not required to wear a burqa. Women are not barred from education. Iran has very high rates of female participation in even higher education, with higher rates than the US in STEM subjects ( https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/iran-female-literacy-rate/ ). Iran does have a murderous regime and oppression is rife, including gender-based (e.g., all those women with higher degrees then struggle to get jobs). Women don't have to wear a burqa, but do have to wear a headscarf.

    But it is a mistake to think of Iran as another Afghanistan.
    To me she's typical of most of the countries in those parts.. They have some rules that everyone ignores like they don't let you share a room with someone who doesn't have the same surname but I've never known anyone who enforces it. Apart from Saudi and Afghanistan you can do more or less what you want.

    I've never worked in Iran but I've shot a raunchy underwear ad in Beirut that wouldn't have passed the ITCA in the UK. The other thing I always notice is how cultured the people are. They know films from different countries. They're old civilisations and even the most junior people often surprise you with their lateral thinking. My Turkish producer is gay and she's taken me to places in Istanbul I didn't know existed anywhere! They've also got more varieties of dope than Costa have varieties of coffee!
    Sweet Jesus Christ

    "Apart from Saudi and Afghanistan you can do more or less what you want."

    A woman in Iran was literally beaten to death by the regime, for not wearing a hijab properly

    "On 16 September 2022, 22-year-old Kurdish-Iranian woman Mahsa Amini,[a] also known as Jina Amini,[b][1][2][3] died in a hospital in Tehran, Iran, under suspicious circumstances. The Guidance Patrol, the religious morality police of Iran's government, had arrested Amini for allegedly not wearing the hijab in accordance with government standards. The Law Enforcement Command of the Islamic Republic of Iran stated that she had a heart attack at a police station, collapsed, and fell into a coma before being transferred to a hospital.[4][5] However, eyewitnesses, including women who were detained with Amini, reported that she was severely beaten and that she died as a result of police brutality,[6][7][8] which was denied by the Iranian authorities.[9] The assertions of police brutality, in addition to leaked medical scans,[10] led some observers to believe Amini had a cerebral hemorrhage or stroke due to head injuries received after her arrest.[11]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mahsa_Amini#:~:text=A series of protests and,hijab law—while visiting Tehran

    Every time this subject comes up, you ridiculous, pathetic, tiny-brained fecal burp of a man, your trot out this low IQ story about some tampon ad you did in Beirut in 1977 and how everyone in the Middle East is therefore sexy and liberated and nice, as if this dismal cringefest of a micro-story proves anything other than your absolute confusion, and your intellectual effeminacy, and the entire reason your pitiful career never got beyond shooting stupid TV ads for tampons about 9000 years ago

    You're not wrong but it's pointless wasting time with this idiot .
    Well yes. I long ago realised that @roger is genuinely and hopelessly dim. A minor public schoolboy with a tiny walnut of a brain. And normally I pass over his remarks accordingly

    But occasionally he will say something so obnoxiously offensively stupid it needs to be noted. QED
    I think it was when you mentioned Millfield that the penny dropped for me.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,843
    edited 7:26PM

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,379
    Brixian59 said:

    Can someone explain this logic

    All comments today from the same person

    "I want to protect our armed forces I am the only person doing that"

    "I want our Armed Forces to have boots on the ground, we must support the US and Israel in attacking Iran"

    We must support Cyprus which is under attack"

    "We are an embarrassment, we must act now"

    A few questions from me

    Surely our Armed Forces are safest in Barracks, in Port, on Air fields

    Why do you want boots on the ground, are you seriously suggesting our Army should be the first of the Iranian expeditionary force

    Can you clarify, when, how and how many Iranian attacks have affected Cyprus (aside from the ones our RAF and other NATO forces have intercepted

    How many body bags will be required to be repatriated to meet your rank hypocricy political opportunitism, lack of compassion, understanding and clearly craven bloodlust

    You will need to post verified (proper media report) to where this is true, because I couldn’t find it.

    Also doesn’t ring as genuine, because "I want our Armed Forces to have boots on the ground, we must support the US and Israel in attacking Iran" simply sounds made up. Boots on ground where?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,764

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    It would be funny if this was a ploy by Farage - he goes all in, which forces Kemi to desperately chase the same voters, then he changes course knowing that his base will be more forgiving.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,473

    Scott_xP said:

    @fintwitter.bsky.social‬

    US INTELLIGENCE SOURCES SAY IRAN IS STARTING TO PLACE MINES IN THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ, A KEY SHIPPING PATH, ACCORDING TO CBS NEWS.

    How any mine-dropping vessels are getting out of port should be a worry to the US. Should be more of a priority trashing that coastal strip than central Tehran.
    Iran has about 30 small submarines which can be used for this task.
    If they still have anything close to 4 still left, questions will be asked.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,453
    edited 7:29PM
    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    The delays have nothing to do with juries, according to a number of judges and lawyers.
    The delays are the typical story of everything running at capacity so when things go wrong, there is a delay of months until the combination of lawyers and judges are available again.

    See https://bsky.app/profile/lizziedearden.bsky.social/post/3mg32x5thxs2e for an story from last week.
    I propose a trial run.

    Withdraw the right to a jury trial from

    1) Members of The House Of Commons
    2) Any permanent official who had received and accepted an honour.
    3) All Kings Council

    Beyond satire that a former DPP and someone who literally seems to run his entire government based on international law is the one PM in hundreds of years who plans to get rid of ancient right of jury.
    Not get rid, restrict to crimes with a 3 years or more sentence. As recommended (amongst other things) by the Leveson review set up to look at ways of unblocking a criminal justice system which has been brought to crisis point by years of underfunding principally under the tories.
    Yes, there's quite a lot of bad faith going on here, epitomised by the 'end of trial by jury' hysteria. Currently, trial by jury is already restricted to around 2-3% of criminal cases. The proposals will reduce that further, as you say to offences that carry a 3 year+ sentence.

    The right to trial by jury is not being abolished. It's already heavily restricted, and the proposal is to restrict it further. It's arguable whether this is a good idea or not, but what's not arguable is that 'they are abolishing the ancient right of trial by jury' is an untrue, bad faith argument.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,764

    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Who said this in 2020?

    Jury trials are a fundamental part of our democratic settlement. Criminal trials without juries are a bad idea.

    The Government need to pull their finger out and acquire empty public buildings across the country to make sure these can happen in a way that is safe.


    The answer is David Lammy.
    Is the bottleneck the lack of venues or the lack of Judges and barristers?
    My experience as a juror is that the system is quite inefficient and the delays have little to do with jurors, however to be fair to them, they got an independent expert, Leveson, to look into it and make recommendations on how to speed things up. That he decided the issue was juries, rather than the professionals, is unfortunate.
    They probably should have got an independent non-legal expert to look at the process, then they might have got some useful recommendations.
    Citizen journalists are also a menace.
    If we had more actual journalists (and public willing to support that journalism financially) then we wouldn't need citizen journalists.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,765
    AND THERE IT IS: Pentagon is cannibalizing THAAD parts from South Korea and Patriot interceptors from the Indo-Pacific

    It only took one week to dramatically lower US defense capabilities in Asia


    https://x.com/esaagar/status/2031348602992312537
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,191
    edited 7:36PM

    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    The delays have nothing to do with juries, according to a number of judges and lawyers.
    The delays are the typical story of everything running at capacity so when things go wrong, there is a delay of months until the combination of lawyers and judges are available again.

    See https://bsky.app/profile/lizziedearden.bsky.social/post/3mg32x5thxs2e for an story from last week.
    I propose a trial run.

    Withdraw the right to a jury trial from

    1) Members of The House Of Commons
    2) Any permanent official who had received and accepted an honour.
    3) All Kings Council

    Beyond satire that a former DPP and someone who literally seems to run his entire government based on international law is the one PM in hundreds of years who plans to get rid of ancient right of jury.
    Not get rid, restrict to crimes with a 3 years or more sentence. As recommended (amongst other things) by the Leveson review set up to look at ways of unblocking a criminal justice system which has been brought to crisis point by years of underfunding principally under the tories.
    Yes, there's quite a lot of bad faith going on here, epitomised by the 'end of trial by jury' hysteria. Currently, trial by jury is already restricted to around 2-3% of criminal cases. The proposals will reduce that further, as you say to offences that carry a 3 year+ sentence.

    The right to trial by jury is not being abolished. It's already heavily restricted, and the proposal is to restrict it further. It's arguable whether this is a good idea or not, but what's not arguable is that 'they are abolishing the ancient right of trial by jury' is an untrue, bad faith argument.
    The sheer incometence of this government means anyone sensible opposes their mindless tinkering.

    They never think anything through.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,310
    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    It would be funny if this was a ploy by Farage - he goes all in, which forces Kemi to desperately chase the same voters, then he changes course knowing that his base will be more forgiving.
    She's sort of tried that denial in an interview this afternoon according to BB

    Claiming she didn't say boots in ground, that she meant if firing arrows at you, you shouldn't just try to catch the arrows but should go a take out who was firing the arrows.

    Even Robbie Gibbs lot are somewhat incredulous
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,466
    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    I think they can either take a position based on what they believe to be best for the world and the UK and be judged on it or they can contract out foreign policy to responses to polling companies and be a joke.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,140
    https://x.com/NickDixon/status/2031434340429701479

    Kemi: ‘The Green Party leader only wants to make two things bigger, and neither of them is our army’.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,764

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    I think they can either take a position based on what they believe to be best for the world and the UK and be judged on it or they can contract out foreign policy to responses to polling companies and be a joke.
    Such a difficult choice.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,874

    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    The delays have nothing to do with juries, according to a number of judges and lawyers.
    The delays are the typical story of everything running at capacity so when things go wrong, there is a delay of months until the combination of lawyers and judges are available again.

    See https://bsky.app/profile/lizziedearden.bsky.social/post/3mg32x5thxs2e for an story from last week.
    I propose a trial run.

    Withdraw the right to a jury trial from

    1) Members of The House Of Commons
    2) Any permanent official who had received and accepted an honour.
    3) All Kings Council

    Beyond satire that a former DPP and someone who literally seems to run his entire government based on international law is the one PM in hundreds of years who plans to get rid of ancient right of jury.
    Not get rid, restrict to crimes with a 3 years or more sentence. As recommended (amongst other things) by the Leveson review set up to look at ways of unblocking a criminal justice system which has been brought to crisis point by years of underfunding principally under the tories.
    Yes, there's quite a lot of bad faith going on here, epitomised by the 'end of trial by jury' hysteria. Currently, trial by jury is already restricted to around 2-3% of criminal cases. The proposals will reduce that further, as you say to offences that carry a 3 year+ sentence.

    The right to trial by jury is not being abolished. It's already heavily restricted, and the proposal is to restrict it further. It's arguable whether this is a good idea or not, but what's not arguable is that 'they are abolishing the ancient right of trial by jury' is an untrue, bad faith argument.
    If only we had better water quality we could get back to the clearly optimal approach of trial by drowning.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,712
    edited 7:38PM

    Fuel price gouging latest. Last Friday, diesel at our local garage was 144.9p per litre. By yesterday it had risen to 149.9p. Between 12 o’clock and 3pm today it rose again, to 155.9p. I don’t expect they have had two fuel deliveries since Friday. I expect they are profiteering on the fuel in their tanks.

    Of course they are.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,712
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Sure, the previous Tory government created loads of problems, a mess that is so big, and so deep and so tall that it feels impossible to fix, there is no way at all.

    But Labour are making things worse.

    So much so you could forgive people for thinking they might need the Tories back to fix it.
    Thats like bringing back the guy who chopped somebody's head off to glue it back on

    Tories in utter denial to the extent of the shit show they left behind after 14 years of under investment

    Refuse to back any measure to fix anything, because the Tory Leader has an issue with agreeing with anyone and has to argue about everything.
    Yawn....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,765

    https://x.com/NickDixon/status/2031434340429701479

    Kemi: ‘The Green Party leader only wants to make two things bigger, and neither of them is our army’.

    All those PBers who rendered their garments over Starmer's kama sutra gag will be consistent.

    Top gag by Kemi.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,591
    edited 7:41PM
    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,466
    edited 7:40PM
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    I think they can either take a position based on what they believe to be best for the world and the UK and be judged on it or they can contract out foreign policy to responses to polling companies and be a joke.
    Such a difficult choice.
    Interesting to see what is worse for a party - being on the wrong side of unevenly split public opinion or flip flopping to get on the right side
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,967

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,591

    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    The delays have nothing to do with juries, according to a number of judges and lawyers.
    The delays are the typical story of everything running at capacity so when things go wrong, there is a delay of months until the combination of lawyers and judges are available again.

    See https://bsky.app/profile/lizziedearden.bsky.social/post/3mg32x5thxs2e for an story from last week.
    I propose a trial run.

    Withdraw the right to a jury trial from

    1) Members of The House Of Commons
    2) Any permanent official who had received and accepted an honour.
    3) All Kings Council

    Beyond satire that a former DPP and someone who literally seems to run his entire government based on international law is the one PM in hundreds of years who plans to get rid of ancient right of jury.
    Not get rid, restrict to crimes with a 3 years or more sentence. As recommended (amongst other things) by the Leveson review set up to look at ways of unblocking a criminal justice system which has been brought to crisis point by years of underfunding principally under the tories.
    Yes, there's quite a lot of bad faith going on here, epitomised by the 'end of trial by jury' hysteria. Currently, trial by jury is already restricted to around 2-3% of criminal cases. The proposals will reduce that further, as you say to offences that carry a 3 year+ sentence.

    The right to trial by jury is not being abolished. It's already heavily restricted, and the proposal is to restrict it further. It's arguable whether this is a good idea or not, but what's not arguable is that 'they are abolishing the ancient right of trial by jury' is an untrue, bad faith argument.
    The sheer incometence of this government means anyone sensible opposes their mindless tinkering.

    They never think anything through.
    Mind you the Colston vandals would have been convicted by a judge I expect
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,517
    edited 7:42PM
    Brixian59 said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    It would be funny if this was a ploy by Farage - he goes all in, which forces Kemi to desperately chase the same voters, then he changes course knowing that his base will be more forgiving.
    She's sort of tried that denial in an interview this afternoon according to BB

    Claiming she didn't say boots in ground, that she meant if firing arrows at you, you shouldn't just try to catch the arrows but should go a take out who was firing the arrows.

    Even Robbie Gibbs lot are somewhat incredulous
    Please provide the link where Kemi supported boots on the ground, or is this just another malicious smear

    If you think the expression 'rather than catching the arrows you should take out the launcher' is boots on the ground then shame on you

    It is the same expression used by Sky's defence spokesperson in reference to destroying launchers from the air
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,473
    edited 7:43PM

    AND THERE IT IS: Pentagon is cannibalizing THAAD parts from South Korea and Patriot interceptors from the Indo-Pacific

    It only took one week to dramatically lower US defense capabilities in Asia


    https://x.com/esaagar/status/2031348602992312537

    Iran had some significant initial success, there's no doubt about that. Their hits on the regional radar installations were very efficient.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,379
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,519
    Channel 4 have found an Iranian spokesperson who is a University professor. A wise old man who sits in a chair and opines. He reminds me of my late Grandfather! He's even got his accent! A very impressive man. Quite a contrast to the juveniles who are speaking for the US at the moment. I think he could become a bit of a cult figure. He's like the old man in the old man and the sea.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,591

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,466

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
    Why would she? She isn't.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,310

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    She's tried to backtrack on BBC this afternoon

    Soectacular failure
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,591

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
    25% of UK voters support strikes on Iran with Yougov, that is higher than the current Tory poll rating, so why shouldn't she try and get most of them voting Tory and fill the gap left by a less hawkish Farage?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,379
    edited 7:47PM
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Have you had dinner yet? You’re drinking on an empty stomach.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,140
    One of the main consequences of Trump's decision to attack Iran might be to kick-start Ukraine's defence industry and allow them to monetise the expertise they've gained over the last four years.

    https://x.com/KyivIndependent/status/2031329316416430284

    A Saudi Arabian arms company has signed a deal to buy Ukrainian-made interceptor missiles, the Kyiv Independent has learned, with one source within Ukraine's defense industry saying that Riyadh and Kyiv are negotiating a separate "huge deal" for arms that could be finalized this week.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,517
    edited 7:48PM
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    Please show where Kemi has said we should bomb Tehran and the regime to bits

    And no, we do not want right wing reform voters
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,020

    AND THERE IT IS: Pentagon is cannibalizing THAAD parts from South Korea and Patriot interceptors from the Indo-Pacific

    It only took one week to dramatically lower US defense capabilities in Asia


    https://x.com/esaagar/status/2031348602992312537

    I noted that yesterday.
    The S Koreans are dis-chuffed.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,764
    HYUFD said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
    25% of UK voters support strikes on Iran with Yougov, that is higher than the current Tory poll rating, so why shouldn't she try and get most of them voting Tory and fill the gap left by a less hawkish Farage?
    Some percentage of those will be diehard Reform, or even some other party. And if a larger pool are against, isn't that a better place to seek to swim?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,473

    One of the main consequences of Trump's decision to attack Iran might be to kick-start Ukraine's defence industry and allow them to monetise the expertise they've gained over the last four years.

    https://x.com/KyivIndependent/status/2031329316416430284

    A Saudi Arabian arms company has signed a deal to buy Ukrainian-made interceptor missiles, the Kyiv Independent has learned, with one source within Ukraine's defense industry saying that Riyadh and Kyiv are negotiating a separate "huge deal" for arms that could be finalized this week.

    The UAEA has already agreed to buy 30% of the company that makes the Flamingos.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,804
    Dopermean said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Who said this in 2020?

    Jury trials are a fundamental part of our democratic settlement. Criminal trials without juries are a bad idea.

    The Government need to pull their finger out and acquire empty public buildings across the country to make sure these can happen in a way that is safe.


    The answer is David Lammy.
    Is the bottleneck the lack of venues or the lack of Judges and barristers?
    My experience as a juror is that the system is quite inefficient and the delays have little to do with jurors, however to be fair to them, they got an independent expert, Leveson, to look into it and make recommendations on how to speed things up. That he decided the issue was juries, rather than the professionals, is unfortunate.
    They probably should have got an independent non-legal expert to look at the process, then they might have got some useful recommendations.
    The bottleneck is the number of pre-sentencing reports that need to be prepared and then read and considered by the judge. It’s mainly bullshit made up by politicians seeking cheap applause
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,591
    edited 7:50PM
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
    25% of UK voters support strikes on Iran with Yougov, that is higher than the current Tory poll rating, so why shouldn't she try and get most of them voting Tory and fill the gap left by a less hawkish Farage?
    Some percentage of those will be diehard Reform, or even some other party. And if a larger pool are against, isn't that a better place to seek to swim?
    No, as most of those against the strikes are already voting Labour, LD or Green and certainly won't be voting Tory.

    Over half the Reform vote backs the strikes with Yougov though as does half the Tory vote, if Kemi got all those voters voting Tory again the Tories would overtake Reform
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,310

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Have you had dinner yet? You’re drinking on an empty stomach.
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    She's tried backtracking this afternoon

    BBC

    Failed spectacularly
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,379
    edited 7:50PM
    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    She's tried to backtrack on BBC this afternoon

    Soectacular failure
    I agree with BigG, where is evidence Kemi ever said "I want our Armed Forces to have boots on the ground, we must support the US and Israel in attacking Iran"
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,533
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Who's baked beans in this analogy?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,023
    edited 7:54PM
    Roger said:

    Channel 4 have found an Iranian spokesperson who is a University professor. A wise old man who sits in a chair and opines. He reminds me of my late Grandfather! He's even got his accent! A very impressive man. Quite a contrast to the juveniles who are speaking for the US at the moment. I think he could become a bit of a cult figure. He's like the old man in the old man and the sea.

    Another gem

    They are like dazzling, shimmering opals of stupidity, dotting the desert soils of Roger's brain

    Like a Croatian miner in Coober Pedy, unearthing a grade 1 opal, you examine the latest comment by @roger with a mixture of awe and excitement. Can this comment really be so idiotic? Is it possible to cram any more crass and embarrassing foolishness into just three sentences?

    And yes, it is true. The opalescence is not fake
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,874

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Who's baked beans in this analogy?
    Count Beanzface.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,466
    edited 7:52PM
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
    25% of UK voters support strikes on Iran with Yougov, that is higher than the current Tory poll rating, so why shouldn't she try and get most of them voting Tory and fill the gap left by a less hawkish Farage?
    Some percentage of those will be diehard Reform, or even some other party. And if a larger pool are against, isn't that a better place to seek to swim?
    Setting out your stall based on YouGov polling on Iran is not how a serious politician acts.
    Sometimes you have to take a hit when you are not in tune with majority opinion else be a pathetic weather vane.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,517
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Why on earth would she even think of those two idiots
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,833
    So today the Royal Navy managed, after 6 days of truly extraordinary work, to put a vessel to sea. The reality is that almost all of the proposed increase in public spending on defence being planned by the government will achieve very little more than giving us the defence forces that we allegedly had, at least on paper, plus, if we are lucky, enough ammunition to fight a war of more than 2 weeks duration.

    The extent to which our defence forces have been allowed to fall into desuetude whilst almost unlimited sums are spent on the likes of Ajax is a national disgrace, not just for this government (although they are not excused) but for all of our governments of the last 20 odd years since Gulf War 2 was finished. So much money wasted on a system with more admirals than ships, more generals than tanks and more Air Commanders than deployable aircraft.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,591

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
    25% of UK voters support strikes on Iran with Yougov, that is higher than the current Tory poll rating, so why shouldn't she try and get most of them voting Tory and fill the gap left by a less hawkish Farage?
    Some percentage of those will be diehard Reform, or even some other party. And if a larger pool are against, isn't that a better place to seek to swim?
    Setting out your stall based on YouGov polling on Iran is not how a serious politician acts.
    Sometimes you have to take a hit when yiu are not in tune with majority opinion else be a pathetic weather vane.
    You also need to follow your own party's voters above all, most Reform voters back the strikes, so Farage is now more out of touch with his own voters than Starmer, Kemi, Polanski and Davey are with theirs.

    Perhaps the Don should invite Kemi to Mar a Lago given he was absent when Farage tried to pay homage this week?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,020
    Roger said:

    Channel 4 have found an Iranian spokesperson who is a University professor. A wise old man who sits in a chair and opines. He reminds me of my late Grandfather! He's even got his accent! A very impressive man. Quite a contrast to the juveniles who are speaking for the US at the moment. I think he could become a bit of a cult figure. He's like the old man in the old man and the sea.

    Have you read Hemingway's book, Roger ?
    I don't recall much pontificating (or Islamic equivalent) from armchairs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,591

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Who's baked beans in this analogy?
    Starmer of course
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,517
    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Have you had dinner yet? You’re drinking on an empty stomach.
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    She's tried backtracking this afternoon

    BBC

    Failed spectacularly
    You owe Kemi an apology over yet more fake made up comments
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,804

    Fuel price gouging latest. Last Friday, diesel at our local garage was 144.9p per litre. By yesterday it had risen to 149.9p. Between 12 o’clock and 3pm today it rose again, to 155.9p. I don’t expect they have had two fuel deliveries since Friday. I expect they are profiteering on the fuel in their tanks.

    Of course they are.
    They will be looking at their replacements cost for oil in the pipeline (as it were)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,967

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
    Why would she? She isn't.
    She might need to change her stance if the British electorate can't be turned around, although Whisky Pete claiming a massive victory, so she might yet take the win over the hapless Starmer and Nigey.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,443
    edited 7:56PM
    Roger said:

    Channel 4 have found an Iranian spokesperson who is a University professor. A wise old man who sits in a chair and opines. He reminds me of my late Grandfather! He's even got his accent! A very impressive man. Quite a contrast to the juveniles who are speaking for the US at the moment. I think he could become a bit of a cult figure. He's like the old man in the old man and the sea.

    May sharks eat the flesh off his marlin's bones.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,517

    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    She's tried to backtrack on BBC this afternoon

    Soectacular failure
    I agree with BigG, where is evidence Kemi ever said "I want our Armed Forces to have boots on the ground, we must support the US and Israel in attacking Iran"
    Absolutely none and it is a malicious slur
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,591
    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Have you had dinner yet? You’re drinking on an empty stomach.
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    She's tried backtracking this afternoon

    BBC

    Failed spectacularly
    She said the RAF should take out Iranian missile launchers which is perfectly reasonable
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/badenoch-denies-calling-for-uk-to-join-us-israeli-war-on-iran
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,379

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Why on earth would she even think of those two idiots
    Is HY doing satire?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,517
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
    25% of UK voters support strikes on Iran with Yougov, that is higher than the current Tory poll rating, so why shouldn't she try and get most of them voting Tory and fill the gap left by a less hawkish Farage?
    Some percentage of those will be diehard Reform, or even some other party. And if a larger pool are against, isn't that a better place to seek to swim?
    Setting out your stall based on YouGov polling on Iran is not how a serious politician acts.
    Sometimes you have to take a hit when yiu are not in tune with majority opinion else be a pathetic weather vane.
    You also need to follow your own party's voters above all, most Reform voters back the strikes, so Farage is now more out of touch with his own voters than Starmer, Kemi, Polanski and Davey are with theirs.

    Perhaps the Don should invite Kemi to Mar a Lago given he was absent when Farage tried to pay homage this week?
    Kemi has more sense than doing that
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,466
    edited 7:57PM

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
    Why would she? She isn't.
    She might need to change her stance if the British electorate can't be turned around, although Whisky Pete claiming a massive victory, so she might yet take the win over the hapless Starmer and Nigey.
    Imo she should just stick to what she thinks. If thats unpopular, so be it.
    Fuck policy by focus group.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,967

    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    She's tried to backtrack on BBC this afternoon

    Soectacular failure
    I agree with BigG, where is evidence Kemi ever said "I want our Armed Forces to have boots on the ground, we must support the US and Israel in attacking Iran"
    Absolutely none and it is a malicious slur
    Kemi's having a fantastic war on PB. What more can she ask for?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,833
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Sure, the previous Tory government created loads of problems, a mess that is so big, and so deep and so tall that it feels impossible to fix, there is no way at all.

    But Labour are making things worse.

    So much so you could forgive people for thinking they might need the Tories back to fix it.
    Thats like bringing back the guy who chopped somebody's head off to glue it back on

    Tories in utter denial to the extent of the shit show they left behind after 14 years of under investment

    Refuse to back any measure to fix anything, because the Tory Leader has an issue with agreeing with anyone and has to argue about everything.
    I voted Labour in 2024, and they need to be a lot more persuasive to convince me about this - the Tories having done a bad job is not reason enough in itself to be compelling.
    Likewise, I voted Labour in 2024 and - this will come as a shock to the site - I am genuinely unsure I will repeat that vote in 2029. So they've possibly lost the d'Annunzio-esque libertarian bohosexual kink-friendly voter in Primrose Hill borders
    Not quite Mondeo man or left behind patriots or whatever, is it?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,517

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Why on earth would she even think of those two idiots
    Is HY doing satire?
    Sadly he is not

    Why he thinks Kemi should be chasing little englander right wing votes I do not know.

    Plague on reform - end off
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,020

    One of the main consequences of Trump's decision to attack Iran might be to kick-start Ukraine's defence industry and allow them to monetise the expertise they've gained over the last four years.

    https://x.com/KyivIndependent/status/2031329316416430284

    A Saudi Arabian arms company has signed a deal to buy Ukrainian-made interceptor missiles, the Kyiv Independent has learned, with one source within Ukraine's defense industry saying that Riyadh and Kyiv are negotiating a separate "huge deal" for arms that could be finalized this week.

    You mean he's handed them his cards ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,591

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Why on earth would she even think of those two idiots
    Is HY doing satire?
    This could be Kemi's Thatcher moment
    https://vimeo.com/40086531
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,591

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Why on earth would she even think of those two idiots
    Is HY doing satire?
    Sadly he is not

    Why he thinks Kemi should be chasing little englander right wing votes I do not know.

    Plague on reform - end off
    It isn't Little Englander especially, they tend to be isolationist but being a tough hawklike leader fighting the evil Mullahs and their regime
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,140
    https://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/2031455260355493949

    Israel’s Prime Minister’s Office says that in the coming days conditions will be created for the Iranian people to “grasp your destiny,” adding that when “the time is right, and that time is fast approaching,” the torch will be passed to them to “seize the moment.”
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,719
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Sure, the previous Tory government created loads of problems, a mess that is so big, and so deep and so tall that it feels impossible to fix, there is no way at all.

    But Labour are making things worse.

    So much so you could forgive people for thinking they might need the Tories back to fix it.
    Thats like bringing back the guy who chopped somebody's head off to glue it back on

    Tories in utter denial to the extent of the shit show they left behind after 14 years of under investment

    Refuse to back any measure to fix anything, because the Tory Leader has an issue with agreeing with anyone and has to argue about everything.
    Labour aren't proposing any measures to fix anything, because they have no ideas and didn't prepare in opposition. I am bitterly disappointed.

    I was only kidding about the Tories because of the parallel with the cat in the hat, but also because the Lib Dems aren't projecting a sense that they're interested in fixing problems, and I've no intention of rewarding Labour failure by voting for them again.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,967

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
    Why would she? She isn't.
    She might need to change her stance if the British electorate can't be turned around, although Whisky Pete claiming a massive victory, so she might yet take the win over the hapless Starmer and Nigey.
    Imo she should just stick to what she thinks. If thats unpopular, so be it.
    Fuck policy by focus group.
    I doubt she thinks bombing the bejesus out of Tehran is a good idea. I suspect she threw her hat into that ring because she thought it would be popular amongst her base. All her tame media outlets have been baying for Iranian blood. People aren't buying it this time-yet.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,310
    HYUFD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Have you had dinner yet? You’re drinking on an empty stomach.
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    She's tried backtracking this afternoon

    BBC

    Failed spectacularly
    She said the RAF should take out Iranian missile launchers which is perfectly reasonable
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/badenoch-denies-calling-for-uk-to-join-us-israeli-war-on-iran
    She denied calling for boots on grounds LIE

    She wittered on about catching arrows

    She then said UK should attack Iran

    So she ended where she claimed she hadn't started

    Confused or what
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,259

    https://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/2031455260355493949

    Israel’s Prime Minister’s Office says that in the coming days conditions will be created for the Iranian people to “grasp your destiny,” adding that when “the time is right, and that time is fast approaching,” the torch will be passed to them to “seize the moment.”

    Trump and Bibi are learning slowly that your enemy’s enemy is not always your friend.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,466

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
    Why would she? She isn't.
    She might need to change her stance if the British electorate can't be turned around, although Whisky Pete claiming a massive victory, so she might yet take the win over the hapless Starmer and Nigey.
    Imo she should just stick to what she thinks. If thats unpopular, so be it.
    Fuck policy by focus group.
    I doubt she thinks bombing the bejesus out of Tehran is a good idea. I suspect she threw her hat into that ring because she thought it would be popular amongst her base. All her tame media outlets have been baying for Iranian blood. People aren't buying it this time-yet.
    Probably best to stick to her guns and not flop about the place like Nigel the spazzed out fish on the river bank would be the Woolie Advice
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,719

    AND THERE IT IS: Pentagon is cannibalizing THAAD parts from South Korea and Patriot interceptors from the Indo-Pacific

    It only took one week to dramatically lower US defense capabilities in Asia


    https://x.com/esaagar/status/2031348602992312537

    Want Trump supposed to be the President who was strongest on confronting the threat from China?

    This is such a dangerous moment now. The extent to which Trump is weakening the US is dramatic and it invites China to take advantage.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,310

    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Have you had dinner yet? You’re drinking on an empty stomach.
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    She's tried backtracking this afternoon

    BBC

    Failed spectacularly
    You owe Kemi an apology over yet more fake made up comments

    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Have you had dinner yet? You’re drinking on an empty stomach.
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    She's tried backtracking this afternoon

    BBC

    Failed spectacularly
    You owe Kemi an apology over yet more fake made up comments

    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Have you had dinner yet? You’re drinking on an empty stomach.
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    She's tried backtracking this afternoon

    BBC

    Failed spectacularly
    You owe Kemi an apology over yet more fake made up comments
    She has been quoted by multiple sources referring to aggressive action and boots on the ground
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 37,967

    One of the main consequences of Trump's decision to attack Iran might be to kick-start Ukraine's defence industry and allow them to monetise the expertise they've gained over the last four years.

    https://x.com/KyivIndependent/status/2031329316416430284

    A Saudi Arabian arms company has signed a deal to buy Ukrainian-made interceptor missiles, the Kyiv Independent has learned, with one source within Ukraine's defense industry saying that Riyadh and Kyiv are negotiating a separate "huge deal" for arms that could be finalized this week.

    More 12D chess from Trump?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,460
    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    eek said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    The delays have nothing to do with juries, according to a number of judges and lawyers.
    The delays are the typical story of everything running at capacity so when things go wrong, there is a delay of months until the combination of lawyers and judges are available again.

    See https://bsky.app/profile/lizziedearden.bsky.social/post/3mg32x5thxs2e for an story from last week.
    I propose a trial run.

    Withdraw the right to a jury trial from

    1) Members of The House Of Commons
    2) Any permanent official who had received and accepted an honour.
    3) All Kings Council

    Beyond satire that a former DPP and someone who literally seems to run his entire government based on international law is the one PM in hundreds of years who plans to get rid of ancient right of jury.
    Not get rid, restrict to crimes with a 3 years or more sentence. As recommended (amongst other things) by the Leveson review set up to look at ways of unblocking a criminal justice system which has been brought to crisis point by years of underfunding principally under the tories.
    Yes, there's quite a lot of bad faith going on here, epitomised by the 'end of trial by jury' hysteria. Currently, trial by jury is already restricted to around 2-3% of criminal cases. The proposals will reduce that further, as you say to offences that carry a 3 year+ sentence.

    The right to trial by jury is not being abolished. It's already heavily restricted, and the proposal is to restrict it further. It's arguable whether this is a good idea or not, but what's not arguable is that 'they are abolishing the ancient right of trial by jury' is an untrue, bad faith argument.
    The sheer incometence of this government means anyone sensible opposes their mindless tinkering.

    They never think anything through.
    Mind you the Colston vandals would have been convicted by a judge I expect
    Quite definitely, it'll be the black cap out for defendants rebelling against the establishment.
    No perverse verdicts by juries refusing to convict war crime, environmental or other protesters.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,023
    DougSeal said:

    https://x.com/FaytuksNetwork/status/2031455260355493949

    Israel’s Prime Minister’s Office says that in the coming days conditions will be created for the Iranian people to “grasp your destiny,” adding that when “the time is right, and that time is fast approaching,” the torch will be passed to them to “seize the moment.”

    Trump and Bibi are learning slowly that your enemy’s enemy is not always your friend.
    Are they? How?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,460
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    rkrkrk said:

    I’ll be honest I’m very supportive of the government’s changes to jury trials.

    It makes sense to me. And the criticisms seem very bad faith.
    Who created the backlog
    Who closed the Courts
    Who reduced Prison spaces
    Why is there a log jam

    Which Tory Minister or Reform Minister if they have jumped ship would like to answer

    Crisis of Tory making

    Pragmatic solutions required
    Sure, the previous Tory government created loads of problems, a mess that is so big, and so deep and so tall that it feels impossible to fix, there is no way at all.

    But Labour are making things worse.

    So much so you could forgive people for thinking they might need the Tories back to fix it.
    Thats like bringing back the guy who chopped somebody's head off to glue it back on

    Tories in utter denial to the extent of the shit show they left behind after 14 years of under investment

    Refuse to back any measure to fix anything, because the Tory Leader has an issue with agreeing with anyone and has to argue about everything.
    I voted Labour in 2024, and they need to be a lot more persuasive to convince me about this - the Tories having done a bad job is not reason enough in itself to be compelling.
    Likewise, I voted Labour in 2024 and - this will come as a shock to the site - I am genuinely unsure I will repeat that vote in 2029. So they've possibly lost the d'Annunzio-esque libertarian bohosexual kink-friendly voter in Primrose Hill borders
    Not quite Mondeo man or left behind patriots or whatever, is it?
    The MP for Bangkok red light district will be worried
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,517
    Brixian59 said:

    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Have you had dinner yet? You’re drinking on an empty stomach.
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    She's tried backtracking this afternoon

    BBC

    Failed spectacularly
    You owe Kemi an apology over yet more fake made up comments

    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Have you had dinner yet? You’re drinking on an empty stomach.
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    She's tried backtracking this afternoon

    BBC

    Failed spectacularly
    You owe Kemi an apology over yet more fake made up comments

    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    Have you had dinner yet? You’re drinking on an empty stomach.
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    Kemi can show she is raw steak to Farage and Jenrick's soggy wet lettuces
    She's tried backtracking this afternoon

    BBC

    Failed spectacularly
    You owe Kemi an apology over yet more fake made up comments
    She has been quoted by multiple sources referring to aggressive action and boots on the ground
    Show these sources with their links

    You are shameless and malign
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 22,719
    DavidL said:

    So today the Royal Navy managed, after 6 days of truly extraordinary work, to put a vessel to sea. The reality is that almost all of the proposed increase in public spending on defence being planned by the government will achieve very little more than giving us the defence forces that we allegedly had, at least on paper, plus, if we are lucky, enough ammunition to fight a war of more than 2 weeks duration.

    The extent to which our defence forces have been allowed to fall into desuetude whilst almost unlimited sums are spent on the likes of Ajax is a national disgrace, not just for this government (although they are not excused) but for all of our governments of the last 20 odd years since Gulf War 2 was finished. So much money wasted on a system with more admirals than ships, more generals than tanks and more Air Commanders than deployable aircraft.

    Sadly not the case. The planned increase in spend on the nuclear deterrent (necessary to renew it) means that spending on the conventional forces will fall. The state of Britain's conventional forces can be expected to deteriorate further, despite the best efforts of the poor sods at the sharp end.

    Britain has reached the stage where ragged holes have now suddenly appeared in what was a threadbare garment and Labour aren't even proposing to start the repair job.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,107
    edited 8:16PM

    Brixian59 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    He's not stupid.

    What do the Tory Turncoats think?
    Over half of current Reform voters back the US strikes on Iran according to Yougov, so while Farage and Jenrick go wobbly on Iran, Kemi should arguably step up her bomb Tehran and the regime to bits line and hope to squeeze back to the Tories some rightwingers lost to Reform
    No.
    She's tried to backtrack on BBC this afternoon

    Soectacular failure
    I agree with BigG, where is evidence Kemi ever said "I want our Armed Forces to have boots on the ground, we must support the US and Israel in attacking Iran"
    Absolutely none and it is a malicious slur
    According to Badenoch today when she said she stood with the US and Israel and their first strikes against Iran, it didn't mean we should join in.

    To think people here complained about Starmer dancing on a head of a pin!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/badenoch-denies-calling-for-uk-to-join-us-israeli-war-on-iran
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,347
    Roger said:

    Channel 4 have found an Iranian spokesperson who is a University professor. A wise old man who sits in a chair and opines. He reminds me of my late Grandfather! He's even got his accent! A very impressive man. Quite a contrast to the juveniles who are speaking for the US at the moment. I think he could become a bit of a cult figure. He's like the old man in the old man and the sea.

    I think it was the beard. If Pete Hegseth had a beard he'd look older and wiser too - until he opened his mouth. But, yes, Hegseth with a beard and not saying anything, that would be a huge improvement on the US war comms front.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,519

    Farage has seen the polling.

    Nigel Farage accused of U-turning on Middle East crisis after he said Britain should not get involved in Donald Trump’s war with Iran.

    He previously said the “gloves need to come off” when dealing with Iran and that “we should do all we can to support the operation.”

    Story from @BenQuinn75


    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/10/nigel-farage-u-turn-uk-iran-war

    I’m hoping this helps reinforce the very real risks of supporting untested parties (in the same way Zack is now telling us he’s going to be nice to Mr Putin and that will solve everything).

    Sadly, Kemi has badly miscalculated this one. It would have been a proper sensible dividing line and she’s missed that opportunity, badly.
    Well I don't see why Kemi can't say she was against the war all along if Farage can get away with it.
    Why would she? She isn't.
    She might need to change her stance if the British electorate can't be turned around, although Whisky Pete claiming a massive victory, so she might yet take the win over the hapless Starmer and Nigey.
    Imo she should just stick to what she thinks. If thats unpopular, so be it.
    Fuck policy by focus group.
    I doubt she thinks bombing the bejesus out of Tehran is a good idea. I suspect she threw her hat into that ring because she thought it would be popular amongst her base. All her tame media outlets have been baying for Iranian blood. People aren't buying it this time-yet.
    She jjust followed the Daily Mail. They've been the graveyard of more than one Tory leader. They're irresistable for leaders like her
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,698
    Bloody hell

    "US weighs sending forces into Iran to secure nuclear stockpile, reports say"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/10/us-weighs-sending-forces-into-iran-to-secure-nuclear-stockpile-reports-say
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