you will find that it is the Telegraph which is doing the bullying.
The chances of her leaving the Cabinet have just fallen in my view. Cameron - quite rightly - doesn't like being pushed around by witch-hunters, and, whilst he might have been thinking of shuffling her out before this erupted (she hasn't been the greatest of ministers), it will be hard to do so now.
you will find that it is the Telegraph which is doing the bullying.
The chances of her leaving the Cabinet have just fallen in my view. Cameron - quite rightly - doesn't like being pushed around by witch-hunters, and, whilst he might have been thinking of shuffling her out before this erupted (she hasn't been the greatest of ministers), it will be hard to do so now.
Whilst I agree the alleged doorstepping of her father was terrible (and sadly all too believable from our beloved media), surely the mention of Leveson was extremely unwise given her position?
"And Maria has obviously been having quite a lot of editors’ meetings around Leveson at the moment. So I am just going to flag up that connection for you to think about." can certainly be taken either way: that such behaviour on the part of the newspaper is unwise given the Leveson furore, or as a threat that she could use her position.
It's extremely unwise at best. But it is at least one person removed from Miller herself, and I can understand why people around her would be angry.
Surely the real story is that the expense system is still not fit for purpose. Nearly 5 years after the biggest political scandal of all time, we're still left with the feeling, rightly or wrongly, that it's just one big gravy train. It's a distraction, wastes police time, leads to suspicion and taints all politicians, and more importantly, costs a fortune. Sorting it out should be a priority.
I now understand why Maria Miller was so hostile to the investigation. If anyone had doorstepped my convalescing father, I'd have punched his lights out.
"And Maria has obviously been having quite a lot of editors’ meetings around Leveson at the moment. So I am just going to flag up that connection for you to think about." can certainly be taken either way: that such behaviour on the part of the newspaper is unwise given the Leveson furore, or as a threat that she could use her position.
Not really, you missed out the preceding sentence:
JH: I should just flag up as well, while you’re on it that when she doorstepped him, she got Maria’s father, who’s just had a [removed] and come out of [removed]. And Maria has obviously been having quite a lot of editors’ meetings around Leveson at the moment. So I am just going to flag up that connection for you to think about.
It does seem extraordinary that at the height of the Leveson discussions a Telegraph reporter was door-stepping elderly and sick parents.
In fact the Telegraph write-up is quite laughably tendentious. One of her sins - so important that it is mentioned in the third paragraph - was that she employed a lawyer to respond to requests for information.
But the one which made me laugh out loud was the next paragraph:
The Commissioner later found Mrs Miller to have broken the rules and recommended that she repay more than £40,000 — but the decision was overruled by a secretive committee of MPs.
I now understand why Maria Miller was so hostile to the investigation. If anyone had doorstepped my convalescing father, I'd have punched his lights out.
What is far more offensive, antifrank, is the suggestion that lawyers should not be retained to represent an MP's interests when the MP is being formally investigated for breach of parliamentary rules.
Shouldn't the Law Society be on to that? Looks like unfair restriction of trade to me.
I now understand why Maria Miller was so hostile to the investigation. If anyone had doorstepped my convalescing father, I'd have punched his lights out.
It's an understandable reaction, but that doesn't make it ok. People in positions of high authority quite reasonably get held to a higher standard. I see nothing resign worthy given the punishment that was ordered - if that should have been harsher, then there's a problem with the system still - nor should Cameron feel obliged to fire her given the punishment that was ordered, but it's fair game to pursue the story further to press for those aims.
I now understand why Maria Miller was so hostile to the investigation. If anyone had doorstepped my convalescing father, I'd have punched his lights out.
What is far more offensive, antifrank, is the suggestion that lawyers should not be retained to represent an MP's interests when being formally investigated for breach of parliamentary rules.
Shouldn't the Law Society be on to that? Looks like unfair restriction of trade to me.
It's probably a breach of article 6 of the European Convention on Human Rights. I'm not sure that a Conservative Cabinet Minister could take that point though.
She was a bit potty mouthed wasn't she, the aide. Obviously been watching too much Malcolm Tucker.
Mild I suspect by historic standards.
Oh for the days of Alistair Campbell and pressures brought to bear on the unfortunate Dr. Kelly and the later vengeance wreaked on Andrew Gilligan and the poor BBC
Surely the real story is that the expense system is still not fit for purpose. Nearly 5 years after the biggest political scandal of all time, we're still left with the feeling, rightly or wrongly, that it's just one big gravy train. It's a distraction, wastes police time, leads to suspicion and taints all politicians, and more importantly, costs a fortune. Sorting it out should be a priority.
The amazing thing is that I, as a reviled public servant, go out of my way to travel to London via a longer route on the cheapest fare possible, on those rare occasions when a meeting is sufficiently important to be justified. Meanwhile, over in Westminster, our leaders still seem to think that they are governed by different standards. Any public servant would have been fired for any misappropriation of public money to their benefit. An MP can apparently pay back some of the proceeds of their 'honest mistake', but otherwise carry on regardless, or so it seems. I fail to see why the MP for Basingstoke needs a house in London that is paid for by the taxpayer at all. It's less than an hour from Waterloo.
In fairness to satirists everywhere, sometimes it's necessary to be over the top to get the message you want to convey across, because otherwise far too many people will not recognize it for satire. And if that ends up diluting the very message you actually wanted to get across by making it too absurd for people to relate to the real world focus? Well, at least it can be funnier that way.
The Independent piece? Not hugely funny, but impressively full of detail in its 'vision' of the future.
Surely the real story is that the expense system is still not fit for purpose. Nearly 5 years after the biggest political scandal of all time, we're still left with the feeling, rightly or wrongly, that it's just one big gravy train. It's a distraction, wastes police time, leads to suspicion and taints all politicians, and more importantly, costs a fortune. Sorting it out should be a priority.
The amazing thing is that I, as a reviled public servant, go out of my way to travel to London via a longer route on the cheapest fare possible, on those rare occasions when a meeting is sufficiently important to be justified. Meanwhile, over in Westminster, our leaders still seem to think that they are governed by different standards. Any public servant would have been fired for any misappropriation of public money to their benefit. An MP can apparently pay back some of the proceeds of their 'honest mistake', but otherwise carry on regardless, or so it seems. I fail to see why the MP for Basingstoke needs a house in London that is paid for by the taxpayer at all. It's less than an hour from Waterloo.
The whole London homes things was among the most enraging part of the whole affair, given the costs involved to save some people an hour or half an hour's commute. That said, I don't begrudge much of the focus being on the pettier corruption that was uncovered, as one would have hoped the display of such minor corruption would have shamed the political culture more than the larger sums would even, by virtue of being so pathetic.
Surely the real story is that the expense system is still not fit for purpose. Nearly 5 years after the biggest political scandal of all time, we're still left with the feeling, rightly or wrongly, that it's just one big gravy train. It's a distraction, wastes police time, leads to suspicion and taints all politicians, and more importantly, costs a fortune. Sorting it out should be a priority.
The amazing thing is that I, as a reviled public servant, go out of my way to travel to London via a longer route on the cheapest fare possible, on those rare occasions when a meeting is sufficiently important to be justified. Meanwhile, over in Westminster, our leaders still seem to think that they are governed by different standards. Any public servant would have been fired for any misappropriation of public money to their benefit. An MP can apparently pay back some of the proceeds of their 'honest mistake', but otherwise carry on regardless, or so it seems. I fail to see why the MP for Basingstoke needs a house in London that is paid for by the taxpayer at all. It's less than an hour from Waterloo.
Can't argue with that. Of course, there is the argument that if you don't make it attractive, no one will want to be an MP, and anyway, they're altruistic, serving the people, actually making a sacrifice for the greater good.
I think Maria should stay as long as possible, she is doing a cracking job ;-)
She'll be doing an even better job if she obliges my bet slip with Paddy.
Apologies Pulpstar, but she needs to stay in so the smell hangs around the Tory Party like a stale Guinness fart after a three day drinking session in Dublin, stinking the gaff out with Tory expense cheat overtones. Hopefully we can get her in front of the cameras defending herself in her subtle way.
Surely the real story is that the expense system is still not fit for purpose. Nearly 5 years after the biggest political scandal of all time, we're still left with the feeling, rightly or wrongly, that it's just one big gravy train. It's a distraction, wastes police time, leads to suspicion and taints all politicians, and more importantly, costs a fortune. Sorting it out should be a priority.
rds. Any public servant would have been fired for any misappropriation of public money to their benefit. An MP can apparently pay back some of the proceeds of their 'honest mistake', but otherwise carry on regardless, or so it seems. I fail to see why the MP for Basingstoke needs a house in London that is paid for by the taxpayer at all. It's less than an hour from Waterloo.
Can't argue with that. Of course, there is the argument that if you don't make it attractive, no one will want to be an MP, and anyway, they're altruistic, serving the people, actually making a sacrifice for the greater good.
I'll stick up for MPs far more than most, I believe that despite the rancid nature of the political discourse and culture which exhibits itself in the types of behaviour we see in the general media displays and politicking, most MPs put in vast amounts of work, much of it tedious or gruelling, with a genuine commitment to improving the lot of their constituents - even if viewed cynically, even an MP in a safe seat and a lapsed moral compass would be advised to try and be a good public servant in order to ensure their position was safe - and all the while knowing that they rate just above bankers when it comes to public perceptions of them as a class.
They certainly deserve a decent salary and compesation for the most taxing elements of the job that impact upon the rest of their lives. The debate comes down to what is decent and what is reasonable. The base level salary they get would for most be considered very reasonable for the work they do, and even if they are right and it is still tough, there's no need to make it completely comfortable - it should be tough, grinding, arduous, work. That's why it is still a service and not a cool career choice for political wonks building up their CVs for directorships and the like later in their lives (or so we hope), for all it should also be satisfying work.
Make it a little less attractive and generous, and we would probably lose some good MPs who find they cannot handle the pressures. But there are only 650 of them needed. Out of a population of 60 million I think we can find that many who would make fantastic MPs able to survive on a decent salary without extraordinary expenses and perks.
Was on a political panel tonight and the Tory Cllr. Called for Maria to be sacked. Not a great sign. I suggested that non-London MPs should be offered a Parliament owned flat in a block in Pimlico, and if they didn't like it they could sort themselves out at their own expense. Got a round of applause, but I got the idea from a poster here many moons ago. Can't remember who, but thank you!
Was on a political panel tonight and the Tory Cllr. Called for Maria to be sacked. Not a great sign. I suggested that non-London MPs should be offered a Parliament owned flat in a block in Pimlico, and if they didn't like it they could sort themselves out at their own expense. Got a round of applause, but I got the idea from a poster here many moons ago. Can't remember who, but thank you!
I remember some chat on a thread about using part of the Olympic village.
I think Maria should stay as long as possible, she is doing a cracking job ;-)
She'll be doing an even better job if she obliges my bet slip with Paddy.
Apologies Pulpstar, but she needs to stay in so the smell hangs around the Tory Party like a stale Guinness fart after a three day drinking session in Dublin, stinking the gaff out with Tory expense cheat overtones. Hopefully we can get her in front of the cameras defending herself in her subtle way.
Do the public really hold the specific parties particularly in contempt for the expenses fiddling of their members? If that were the case, Labour would be getting much more stick than the general political class for such things than the other two, given how many Labour figures have actually, briefly, seen the inside of a prison, and I don't think the party's reputation has suffered any. Granted, as the party with a larger hatedom the Tories are more susceptible to negative stories and opinions, even those which affect both sides (the out of touch attack, in my eyes, applies across the board to a large degree, but only the Tories are truly damaged by it), and Cameron defending his minister might hurt things if the attacks on her grow yet further, but I don't see that much party benefit occuring either way. There's such a general whiff of petty sleaze perceived about the political classes, no party has really succumbed to being seen as the really sleazy party. Yet.
Surely the real story is that the expense system is still not fit for purpose. Nearly 5 years after the biggest political scandal of all time, we're still left with the feeling, rightly or wrongly, that it's just one big gravy train. It's a distraction, wastes police time, leads to suspicion and taints all politicians, and more importantly, costs a fortune. Sorting it out should be a priority.
The amazing thing is that I, as a reviled public servant, go out of my way to travel to London via a longer route on the cheapest fare possible, on those rare occasions when a meeting is sufficiently important to be justified. Meanwhile, over in Westminster, our leaders still seem to think that they are governed by different standards. Any public servant would have been fired for any misappropriation of public money to their benefit. An MP can apparently pay back some of the proceeds of their 'honest mistake', but otherwise carry on regardless, or so it seems. I fail to see why the MP for Basingstoke needs a house in London that is paid for by the taxpayer at all. It's less than an hour from Waterloo.
My folks live that way. It's fine if you leave work at 6 or 7, but after about 9 the trains are very patchy
I think Maria should stay as long as possible, she is doing a cracking job ;-)
She'll be doing an even better job if she obliges my bet slip with Paddy.
Apologies Pulpstar, but she needs to stay in so the smell hangs around the Tory Party like a stale Guinness fart after a three day drinking session in Dublin, stinking the gaff out with Tory expense cheat overtones. Hopefully we can get her in front of the cameras defending herself in her subtle way.
Do the public really hold the specific parties particularly in contempt for the expenses fiddling of their members? If that were the case, Labour would be getting much more stick than the general political class for such things than the other two, given how many Labour figures have actually, briefly, seen the inside of a prison, and I don't think the party's reputation has suffered any. Granted, as the party with a larger hatedom the Tories are more susceptible to negative stories and opinions, even those which affect both sides (the out of touch attack, in my eyes, applies across the board to a large degree, but only the Tories are truly damaged by it), and Cameron defending his minister might hurt things if the attacks on her grow yet further, but I don't see that much party benefit occuring either way. There's such a general whiff of petty sleaze perceived about the political classes, no party has really succumbed to being seen as the really sleazy party. Yet.
This is just my personal preference, I like seeing Tories squirm. Oh, and the Guinness fart type smell it will bring.
Was on a political panel tonight and the Tory Cllr. Called for Maria to be sacked. Not a great sign. I suggested that non-London MPs should be offered a Parliament owned flat in a block in Pimlico, and if they didn't like it they could sort themselves out at their own expense. Got a round of applause, but I got the idea from a poster here many moons ago. Can't remember who, but thank you!
A great idea indeed, and hard to argue against I would wager. All sorts of little ways to cut down expenses with those types of measures, where perhaps something is needed for the job, but that doesn't mean you break the bank to provide it.
In that vein, I recall an MP supposedly claiming for a trouser press (Huhne, perhaps), and my first thought was 'Well, you need formal attire for the job - pretty sure the Speaker throws a wobbler if you are not formally dressed in the Chamber itself for instance - so if an MP cannot afford a suit, then the state should provide one. But the job doesn't care how good your creases are, so you can pay for the upkeep yourself'.
Ah, good fun was had by all during the expenses scandal, such amazing stories.
Was on a political panel tonight and the Tory Cllr. Called for Maria to be sacked. Not a great sign. I suggested that non-London MPs should be offered a Parliament owned flat in a block in Pimlico, and if they didn't like it they could sort themselves out at their own expense. Got a round of applause, but I got the idea from a poster here many moons ago. Can't remember who, but thank you!
I think Maria should stay as long as possible, she is doing a cracking job ;-)
She'll be doing an even better job if she obliges my bet slip with Paddy.
Apologies Pulpstar, but she needs to stay in so the smell hangs around the Tory Party like a stale Guinness fart after a three day drinking session in Dublin, stinking the gaff out with Tory expense cheat overtones. Hopefully we can get her in front of the cameras defending herself in her subtle way.
Do the public really hold the specific parties particularly in contempt for the expenses fiddling of their members? If that were the case, Labour would be getting much more stick than the general political class for such things than the other two, given how many Labour figures have actually, briefly, seen the inside of a prison, and I don't think the party's reputation has suffered any. Granted, as the party with a larger hatedom the Tories are more susceptible to negative stories and opinions, even those which affect both sides (the out of touch attack, in my eyes, applies across the board to a large degree, but only the Tories are truly damaged by it), and Cameron defending his minister might hurt things if the attacks on her grow yet further, but I don't see that much party benefit occuring either way. There's such a general whiff of petty sleaze perceived about the political classes, no party has really succumbed to being seen as the really sleazy party. Yet.
Old Compy is just being tribal. It's all of 'em, the perception is that they're all as trustworthy as a crackhound with an empty wallet. The farce of letting them maintain 2 households is the key issue, for me. Stop that, make it fairer on the taxpayer, but also that the MP can maintain a good family life, and we're all in clover.
I think Maria should stay as long as possible, she is doing a cracking job ;-)
She'll be doing an even better job if she obliges my bet slip with Paddy.
Apologies Pulpstar, but she needs to stay in so the smell hangs around the Tory Party like a stale Guinness fart after a three day drinking session in Dublin, stinking the gaff out with Tory expense cheat overtones. Hopefully we can get her in front of the cameras defending herself in her subtle way.
Do the public really hold the specific parties particularly in contempt for the expenses fiddling of their members? If that were the case, Labour would be getting much more stick than the general political class for such things than the other two, given how many Labour figures have actually, briefly, seen the inside of a prison, and I don't think the party's reputation has suffered any. Granted, as the party with a larger hatedom the Tories are more susceptible to negative stories and opinions, even those which affect both sides (the out of touch attack, in my eyes, applies across the board to a large degree, but only the Tories are truly damaged by it), and Cameron defending his minister might hurt things if the attacks on her grow yet further, but I don't see that much party benefit occuring either way. There's such a general whiff of petty sleaze perceived about the political classes, no party has really succumbed to being seen as the really sleazy party. Yet.
This is just my personal preference, I like seeing Tories squirm. Oh, and the Guinness fart type smell it will bring.
You should become a fence sitter, then you get the pleasure of seeing everyone squirm (though I prefer to see them twist themselves in knots, personally). Granted, you don't share in the same level of joy or optimism when one's own side has a triumph, but there's trade offs to every position I suppose.
kle4 It conjures up a rather odd vision of a Britain turned into a cross between Blackpool and Las Vegas, with Farage managing to be both a puppet of Russia and the US
kle4 It conjures up a rather odd vision of a Britain turned into a cross between Blackpool and Las Vegas, with Farage managing to be both a puppet of Russia and the US
It was quite unfocused. The Russia stuff felt tacked on in the light of his recent comments as opposed to fitting in with the generally accepted 'view' of a worst case scenario as a result of UKIP policies (the isolation, economic mess etc etc).
Was on a political panel tonight and the Tory Cllr. Called for Maria to be sacked. Not a great sign. I suggested that non-London MPs should be offered a Parliament owned flat in a block in Pimlico, and if they didn't like it they could sort themselves out at their own expense. Got a round of applause, but I got the idea from a poster here many moons ago. Can't remember who, but thank you!
Was on a political panel tonight and the Tory Cllr. Nu Called for Maria to be sacked. Not a great sign. I suggested that non-London MPs should be offered a Parliament owned flat in a block in Pimlico, and if they didn't like it they could sort themselves out at their own expense. Got a round of applause, but I got the idea from a poster here many moons ago. Can't remember who, but thank you!
A great idea indeed, and hard to argue against I would wager. All sorts of little ways to cut down expenses with those types of measures, where perhaps something is needed for the job, but that doesn't mean you break the bank to provide it.
In that vein, I recall an MP supposedly claiming for a trouser press (Huhne, perhaps), and my first thought was 'Well, you need formal attire for the job - pretty sure the Speaker throws a wobbler if you are not formally dressed in the Chamber itself for instance - so if an MP cannot afford a suit, then the state should provide one. But the job doesn't care how good your creases are, so you can pay for the upkeep yourself'.
Ah, good fun was had by all during the expenses scandal, such amazing stories.
Like many others, I have to dress smartly for work. I cannot claim a trouser press against tax or expenses.
What really stinks to me is not having the same rules apply to MPs. If the same rules applied on taxation and benefits in kind as apply to us plebs, then I would find the whole expense business tolerable, but it doesn't.
Is that a reason to destroy her life? I don't agree with her politics either but she strikes me as a decent family woman and she has been found not guilty. Shades of the Harriet Harman stuff, such is the feeding frenzy.
Thirteen thousand eight hundred and twenty million years old, boringly flat, mostly empty and bizarrely wrinkled. It's probably about the right time for Bruce Forsyth to retire.
Is that a reason to destroy her life? I don't agree with her politics either but she strikes me as a decent family woman and she has been found not guilty. Shades of the Harriet Harman stuff, such is the feeding frenzy.
I don't want her destroyed. I just object to paying for her life to be enriched,far beyond what she could expect to earn in the real world.
Has Cameron actually made any major changes to his Cabinet without being forced to I wonder? I'm not sure whether it's strength or weakness, or if depends on which minister is in trouble - some are easier to jettison with little downside than others after all, or if the stats back up his perception as one not keen on reshuffles.
I will have to pick up the answer tomorrow. A good night to all.
Am I the only PB Leftie to defend and feel sorry for Maria Miller? She has been found not guilty FFS.
I somewhat agree, but it doesn't change how the public will see it. I sense we're still at the stage where Joe Public sees any expenses story about a politician and has a knee-jerk furious reaction. Some BBC reporter who went to her constituency to ask for views found virtually noone who defended her ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26878527 ), and the Question Time audience yesterday got very animated by it, which is stark contrast to most of these tedious Westminster bubble stories (Plebgate, Rennardgate, the Harman "scandal", etc.) which usually get very muted audience reactions on those types of shows
Is that a reason to destroy her life? I don't agree with her politics either but she strikes me as a decent family woman and she has been found not guilty. Shades of the Harriet Harman stuff, such is the feeding frenzy.
I don't want her destroyed. I just object to paying for her life to be enriched,far beyond what she could expect to earn in the real world.
Quite so. And even if the feeding frenzy is over the top, and I don't think she should lose her job, her life is only being 'destroyed' through her own actions provoking it, the blood in the water is from self inflicted cuts. Does that mean the media hordes and her political enemies could not take this whole thing too far? No, they could, but my sympathy is low because she ultimately is responsible for creating this mess.
To no doubt wildly take out of intended context and show a deficit of imagination, to quote from 'The Thick of It'. it's the difference between being punched in the face and punching oneself in the face'.
Is that a reason to destroy her life? I don't agree with her politics either but she strikes me as a decent family woman and she has been found not guilty. Shades of the Harriet Harman stuff, such is the feeding frenzy.
I don't want her destroyed. I just object to paying for her life to be enriched,far beyond what she could expect to earn in the real world.
In what respect? She has been found not guilty of any wrongdoing. Just because she is a Tory doesn't mean we should lose sight of that fact.
Am I the only PB Leftie to defend and feel sorry for Maria Miller? She has been found not guilty FFS.
I somewhat agree, but it doesn't change how the public will see it. I sense we're still at the stage where Joe Public sees any expenses story about a politician and has a knee-jerk furious reaction. Some BBC reporter who went to her constituency to ask for views found virtually noone who defended her ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26878527 ), and the Question Time audience yesterday got very animated by it, which is stark contrast to most of these tedious Westminster bubble stories (Plebgate, Rennardgate, etc.) which usually get very muted audience reactions on those types of shows
Frankly, so what if they didn't defend her? Mob law. She has been tried and found not guilty. This reminds me of the Harman stuff - in fairness @RichardN stuck up for Harman then. Some things should transcend narrow party advantage.
Is that a reason to destroy her life? I don't agree with her politics either but she strikes me as a decent family woman and she has been found not guilty. Shades of the Harriet Harman stuff, such is the feeding frenzy.
I don't want her destroyed. I just object to paying for her life to be enriched,far beyond what she could expect to earn in the real world.
In what respect? She has been found not guilty of any wrongdoing. Just because she is a Tory doesn't mean we should lose sight of that fact.
I don't care that she's a Tory. I object to the 1/4 million a year, at least, that the Balls-Coopers' get a year, as well, it's too much. We need to get away from treating MPs as sacred. It's just a job. We've made it elitist, made it so that it's a pathway to riches and glory, just ask Tony Blair. Miller might be innocent on parliament's eyes, and she might be a great family woman, but why do I have to pay for her second house?
Was on a political panel tonight and the Tory Cllr. Called for Maria to be sacked. Not a great sign. I suggested that non-London MPs should be offered a Parliament owned flat in a block in Pimlico, and if they didn't like it they could sort themselves out at their own expense. Got a round of applause, but I got the idea from a poster here many moons ago. Can't remember who, but thank you!
I have a much, much better idea.
Only allow MPs expenses for renting an abode in the capital. This would have two excellent effects:
1. I'll give odds that within 2 years there will be reform of the housing rental market. 2. It'll discourage property speculation by MPs (Hello, Maria!) and perhaps stop the blowing up of the property bubble by successive Governments.
Thirteen thousand eight hundred and twenty million years old, boringly flat, mostly empty and bizarrely wrinkled. It's probably about the right time for Bruce Forsyth to retire.
Here he is in 1960:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs0-7x2bESA
(The start of the song sounds a bit like the James Bond theme, two years before the first James Bond film came out).
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"Scotland is just like your younger brother who thinks he can be independent because he's managed to set up a tent in the garden."
I don't have a strong view on either Maria Miller or the Grand National - maybe PINEAU DE RE each-way but the value's gone to be honest.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/conservative-mps-expenses/10746003/Maria-Miller-expenses-report-how-Culture-Secretary-tried-to-bully-MP-watchdog.html
and the transcript of the conversation:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/conservative-mps-expenses/10746009/Maria-Miller-expenses-transcript-of-advisers-conversation-with-Telegraph.html
you will find that it is the Telegraph which is doing the bullying.
The chances of her leaving the Cabinet have just fallen in my view. Cameron - quite rightly - doesn't like being pushed around by witch-hunters, and, whilst he might have been thinking of shuffling her out before this erupted (she hasn't been the greatest of ministers), it will be hard to do so now.
A good reporter would have asked for clarification re that Leveson comment at the time.
HW: I’m not meant to knock on people’s doors?
JH: Knock on the doors of people when they’ve just come out of [removed] and had [removed]. Yeah. I would suggest that was probably a good thing.
Given that Leveson was all about press intrusion, it seems a pretty reasonable thing to flag up.
"And Maria has obviously been having quite a lot of editors’ meetings around Leveson at the moment. So I am just going to flag up that connection for you to think about." can certainly be taken either way: that such behaviour on the part of the newspaper is unwise given the Leveson furore, or as a threat that she could use her position.
It's extremely unwise at best. But it is at least one person removed from Miller herself, and I can understand why people around her would be angry.
Maria Miller's punishment? Repays £5,800 expenses but keeps a £1.2m profit on sale of the house. Disgrace"
twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/451678733020434433
Sorting it out should be a priority.
JH: I should just flag up as well, while you’re on it that when she doorstepped him, she got Maria’s father, who’s just had a [removed] and come out of [removed]. And Maria has obviously been having quite a lot of editors’ meetings around Leveson at the moment. So I am just going to flag up that connection for you to think about.
It does seem extraordinary that at the height of the Leveson discussions a Telegraph reporter was door-stepping elderly and sick parents.
Isn't Cam wonderful!
But the one which made me laugh out loud was the next paragraph:
The Commissioner later found Mrs Miller to have broken the rules and recommended that she repay more than £40,000 — but the decision was overruled by a secretive committee of MPs.
She's safe, if that's the level of the scandal.
Shouldn't the Law Society be on to that? Looks like unfair restriction of trade to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzUat_wC6Ko
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/sleazy-playground-money-launderers-paradise-allround-basket-case-a-dystopian-vision-of-britain-under-the-rule-of-nigel-farage-9239461.html
Oh for the days of Alistair Campbell and pressures brought to bear on the unfortunate Dr. Kelly and the later vengeance wreaked on Andrew Gilligan and the poor BBC
Miller is but a shadow of the past.
The Independent piece? Not hugely funny, but impressively full of detail in its 'vision' of the future.
I don't have a view either, but I'll probably back Tidal Bay. I don't think it will win but I have to support a horse that is nearly as old as me.
An old girlfriend once described my thighs as being of the type that British Rail used to make railway track curve.
"How do you solve a problem like Maria?"
The press smell Maria Miller's blood. And they are not letting go. pic.twitter.com/vw0lLCBQID (via @hendopolis)"
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Actually I did notice an orange-jacketed fat dude on all fours for Dave to rest his foot on as he did *heroic stance*.
They certainly deserve a decent salary and compesation for the most taxing elements of the job that impact upon the rest of their lives. The debate comes down to what is decent and what is reasonable. The base level salary they get would for most be considered very reasonable for the work they do, and even if they are right and it is still tough, there's no need to make it completely comfortable - it should be tough, grinding, arduous, work. That's why it is still a service and not a cool career choice for political wonks building up their CVs for directorships and the like later in their lives (or so we hope), for all it should also be satisfying work.
Make it a little less attractive and generous, and we would probably lose some good MPs who find they cannot handle the pressures. But there are only 650 of them needed. Out of a population of 60 million I think we can find that many who would make fantastic MPs able to survive on a decent salary without extraordinary expenses and perks.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/10745182/The-artwork-of-George-W-Bush.html
http://www.conservativehome.com/video/2014/04/watch-maria-miller-apologises-after-an-investigation-into-her-expenses.html
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@SeanT could do far better
In that vein, I recall an MP supposedly claiming for a trouser press (Huhne, perhaps), and my first thought was 'Well, you need formal attire for the job - pretty sure the Speaker throws a wobbler if you are not formally dressed in the Chamber itself for instance - so if an MP cannot afford a suit, then the state should provide one. But the job doesn't care how good your creases are, so you can pay for the upkeep yourself'.
Ah, good fun was had by all during the expenses scandal, such amazing stories.
The farce of letting them maintain 2 households is the key issue, for me. Stop that, make it fairer on the taxpayer, but also that the MP can maintain a good family life, and we're all in clover.
It was like trying to eat dessicated fruitcake.
I want them all to lose.
What really stinks to me is not having the same rules apply to MPs. If the same rules applied on taxation and benefits in kind as apply to us plebs, then I would find the whole expense business tolerable, but it doesn't.
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The Empire will compensate you if she fails to survive!
Is that a reason to destroy her life? I don't agree with her politics either but she strikes me as a decent family woman and she has been found not guilty. Shades of the Harriet Harman stuff, such is the feeding frenzy.
I will have to pick up the answer tomorrow. A good night to all.
To no doubt wildly take out of intended context and show a deficit of imagination, to quote from 'The Thick of It'. it's the difference between being punched in the face and punching oneself in the face'.
Miller might be innocent on parliament's eyes, and she might be a great family woman, but why do I have to pay for her second house?
Only allow MPs expenses for renting an abode in the capital. This would have two excellent effects:
1. I'll give odds that within 2 years there will be reform of the housing rental market.
2. It'll discourage property speculation by MPs (Hello, Maria!) and perhaps stop the blowing up of the property bubble by successive Governments.
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(The start of the song sounds a bit like the James Bond theme, two years before the first James Bond film came out).