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Nigel Farage today declared that Reform UK have replaced Labour as the party of working people, but which party do Britons believe is best at representing workers? Reform UK: 19%Labour: 17%Conservatives: 6%Lib Dems: 6%Greens: 4%None: 31%yougov.co.uk/topics/polit…

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BatteryCorrectHorse

BatteryCorrectHorse

Sunil_Prasannan

The None party most popular

wooliedyed

No party represents working people 31%. That's the takeaway.

Battlebus

Does Farage know that 'working people' tend not to vote as often as non-proles.

You can leaflet them to death, and they still won't get out on polling day.

carnforth

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SandyRentool said:

About as off topic as it is possible to get:

At lunchtime I saw a man walking through Leeds city centre carrying an iguana. He appeared to be talking to it.

Keep calmer, Chameleon.

If we ever get bored of Two Tier Keir, Starmer Chameleon ain't bad.

BatteryCorrectHorse

At this point Matthew Goodwin is just a Reform fanboy. A shame as I used to enjoy his stuff.

carnforth

Battlebus said:

Does Farage know that 'working people' tend not to vote as often as non-proles.

You can leaflet them to death, and they still won't get out on polling day.

Fighting the last war? They came out in 2016.

wooliedyed

43% of the Labour movement think Labour represent workers
LMFAO, over half of Labour voters do not think Labour is the party of workers
THEN WHAT IS THE POINT OF YOU?
Liberals for authoritarianism
Greens for coal mining

kinabalu

He's trying to con them. I hope they see through him and I think enough of them will. C'mon you working people! Be your best selves.

TOPPING

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

wooliedyed

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

At this point Matthew Goodwin is just a Reform fanboy. A shame as I used to enjoy his stuff.

It's a little bit tragic. He's reduced to gasping with amazement at MoE poll movement like Nigel parted the waters

SandyRentool

wooliedyed said:

43% of the Labour movement think Labour represent workers
LMFAO, over half of Labour voters do not think Labour is the party of workers
THEN WHAT IS THE POINT OF YOU?
Liberals for authoritarianism
Greens for coal mining

They probably think that Labour has become the party of the workshy and the supper party set.

TheScreamingEagles

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

How long have you been on PB?

Everybody knows I am primus inter pares of PB proles, surely you must be familiar with me being the grandson of humble immigrants to the UK.

carnforth

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

Unlike Kinabalu, TSE steadfastly refuses to live in London. That's commitment.

Cookie

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Eabhal

Another article by TSE on class. Obsessed.

Cookie

carnforth said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SandyRentool said:

About as off topic as it is possible to get:

At lunchtime I saw a man walking through Leeds city centre carrying an iguana. He appeared to be talking to it.

Keep calmer, Chameleon.

If we ever get bored of Two Tier Keir, Starmer Chameleon ain't bad.

All my most surprising encounters with exotic pets have come in West Yorkshire. Last time I was in Bradford I saw a man walking a ferret. And once on the train from Halifax to Leeds I encountered a woman with a parrot.

kinabalu

carnforth said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

Unlike Kinabalu, TSE steadfastly refuses to live in London. That's commitment.

Well I couldn't make it in Rotherham. So with enormous regret ...

TheScreamingEagles

carnforth said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

Unlike Kinabalu, TSE steadfastly refuses to live in London. That's commitment.

I did live and work in London between 2000 and 2005 but I wanted to go back oop to the desolate North.

Technically I still work in London, huzzah for WFH.

TheScreamingEagles

kinabalu said:

carnforth said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

Unlike Kinabalu, TSE steadfastly refuses to live in London. That's commitment.

Well I couldn't make it in Rotherham. So with enormous regret ...

Come to Dore, it’s the Mayfair of the North.

williamglenn

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

The workers, not the berserkers.

TheScreamingEagles

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

See Labour’s response to a wider Reform campaign.

AnneJGP

People with class do not talk about class. Um, OK, so everybody talks off topic the whole thread.

TheScreamingEagles

Eabhal said:

Another article by TSE on class. Obsessed.

I abhor bigotry in all its forms, I cannot sit quietly.

wooliedyed

Talking of Labour, I'm considering the chances of Labour finishing fourth in seats in Wales or Scotland next year. I currently rate it happening in either at about a 10% chance and slowly rising. That might be an early sign something jaw dropping approaches.
Tories of course have been third in Scotland and Wales regularly/most of the time and in Scotland were effectively tied with the LDs until 2011 so their jaw dropper would perhaps be fifth in either- almost zero chance in Wales but perhaps a 10% chance in Scotland in seats or votes??

BatteryCorrectHorse

Johnson was PM for less time than between now and the next election.

Pagan2

Battlebus said:

Does Farage know that 'working people' tend not to vote as often as non-proles.

You can leaflet them to death, and they still won't get out on polling day.

Maybe that however is because they had little options worth voting for, brexit brought out a lot of serial non voters too

AnneJGP

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

wooliedyed

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

Johnson was PM for less time than between now and the next election.

Depends when the election is Horse! There's a non zero chance the government falls (but a low chance) and May 2028 isn't out of the question if he engineers a polling recovery of some level

williamglenn

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

See Labour’s response to a wider Reform campaign.

They've lost the plot a bit. Look at the AI graphic on this one:

https://x.com/MikeTappTweets/status/1927456131405742455

Time to unite and reject this trickster politics - for King and country.

wooliedyed

AnneJGP said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

Always meant people employed but not in one of the professions and not at middle management or above to me

No_Offence_Alan

wooliedyed said:

Talking of Labour, I'm considering the chances of Labour finishing fourth in seats in Wales or Scotland next year. I currently rate it happening in either at about a 10% chance and slowly rising. That might be an early sign something jaw dropping approaches.
Tories of course have been third in Scotland and Wales regularly/most of the time and in Scotland were effectively tied with the LDs until 2011 so their jaw dropper would perhaps be fifth in either- almost zero chance in Wales but perhaps a 10% chance in Scotland in seats or votes??

In Scotland, no chance of Lab 4th. SNP will romp home. Lab and Reform vying for second. Tories destroyed, battling LDs and Greens for 4th.

Mexicanpete

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

See Labour’s response to a wider Reform campaign.

They've lost the plot a bit. Look at the AI graphic on this one:

https://x.com/MikeTappTweets/status/1927456131405742455

Time to unite and reject this trickster politics - for King and country.

One needs look no further than the 2024 Trump campaign for smoke, mirrors and ultimately disingenuous lies about rust-belt employment, inflation, taxation and tariffs.

TOPPING

TheScreamingEagles said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

How long have you been on PB?

Everybody knows I am primus inter pares of PB proles, surely you must be familiar with me being the grandson of humble immigrants to the UK.

Dropping out of the womb fully shod, that said.

TOPPING

TheScreamingEagles said:

kinabalu said:

carnforth said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

Unlike Kinabalu, TSE steadfastly refuses to live in London. That's commitment.

Well I couldn't make it in Rotherham. So with enormous regret ...

Come to Dore, it’s the Mayfair of the North.

Mayfair is the Mayfair of the North.

wooliedyed

No_Offence_Alan said:

wooliedyed said:

Talking of Labour, I'm considering the chances of Labour finishing fourth in seats in Wales or Scotland next year. I currently rate it happening in either at about a 10% chance and slowly rising. That might be an early sign something jaw dropping approaches.
Tories of course have been third in Scotland and Wales regularly/most of the time and in Scotland were effectively tied with the LDs until 2011 so their jaw dropper would perhaps be fifth in either- almost zero chance in Wales but perhaps a 10% chance in Scotland in seats or votes??

In Scotland, no chance of Lab 4th. SNP will romp home. Lab and Reform vying for second. Tories destroyed, battling LDs and Greens for 4th.

LDs sure, Greens no chance. They'll get squeezed out much more in the regional vote this time, the SNP won't be sweeping the board at constituency level

Casino_Royale

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Cookie

TheScreamingEagles said:

carnforth said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

Unlike Kinabalu, TSE steadfastly refuses to live in London. That's commitment.

I did live and work in London between 2000 and 2005 but I wanted to go back oop to the desolate North.

Technically I still work in London, huzzah for WFH.

I'm always puzzled when southrons use the phrase "oop north". Because oop presumably rhymes with loop and hoop and coop. And noone pronounces "up" to rhyme with loop.

algarkirk

What is working people supposed to mean? All those who work for a living? If so, the idea that there is some common interest they all have - from partner in magic circle solicitor to lathe operator to check out person - as against all other people is nonsense.

Could polling people put a bit of effort into qualitative data, about what exactly people think about properly framed questions in place of twaddle?

HYUFD

The polling evidence certainly suggests that Reform now lead with working class voters, while Labour do better with middle class voters than the white working class (especially with the public sector employed middle class).

Whereas in the 20th century Labour nearly always won the working class vote

wooliedyed

algarkirk said:

What is working people supposed to mean? All those who work for a living? If so, the idea that there is some common interest they all have - from partner in magic circle solicitor to lathe operator to check out person - as against all other people is nonsense.

Could polling people put a bit of effort into qualitative data, about what exactly people think about properly framed questions in place of twaddle?

Working people 'up and down the country' no less

Mexicanpete

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Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

What about the military one in Edinburgh?

I have bad news for you Casino, Mexicanpete is also an anti-tat fascist. Particularly tattooed ladies, although I did meet one once who had a rather interesting vine heading from her foot to the promised land.

Pagan2

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Cookie

algarkirk said:

What is working people supposed to mean? All those who work for a living? If so, the idea that there is some common interest they all have - from partner in magic circle solicitor to lathe operator to check out person - as against all other people is nonsense.

Could polling people put a bit of effort into qualitative data, about what exactly people think about properly framed questions in place of twaddle?

Well, I'd say they do - they're the ones funding the system. In fact, I'd say that was the most obvious cleavage in the electorate.

Pagan2

Cookie said:

carnforth said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SandyRentool said:

About as off topic as it is possible to get:

At lunchtime I saw a man walking through Leeds city centre carrying an iguana. He appeared to be talking to it.

Keep calmer, Chameleon.

If we ever get bored of Two Tier Keir, Starmer Chameleon ain't bad.

All my most surprising encounters with exotic pets have come in West Yorkshire. Last time I was in Bradford I saw a man walking a ferret. And once on the train from Halifax to Leeds I encountered a woman with a parrot.

I used to take my pet rat down the pub with me when I lived in cornwall, well he went everywhere with me. Strangely after the shock of seeing him on my shoulder most ladies loved him and wasn't unusual I had to go rescue him at the end of the night from some girl feeding him on those crisps

ManOfGwent

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

They should also be more highly taxed like smoking if this study is true. https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-025-21413-3

Conclusion
In conclusion, our study suggests an increased hazard of lymphoma and skin cancers among tattooed individuals, demonstrated through two designs: a twin cohort and a case-cotwin study. We are concerned that tattoo ink interacting with surrounding cells may have severe consequences. Studies that pinpoint the etiological pathway of tattoo ink induced carcinogenesis are recommended to benefit public health.

Andy_JS

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

When they go out of fashion, as they almost certainly will, a lot of people with them will probably expect the NHS to pay for removal.

AnneJGP

wooliedyed said:

AnneJGP said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

Always meant people employed but not in one of the professions and not at middle management or above to me

I thought any white collar employment was middle class.

Casino_Royale

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Shame the rest of us have to look at it.

It's (permanent) graffiti on your own body.

williamglenn

ManOfGwent said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

They should also be more highly taxed like smoking if this study is true. https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-025-21413-3

Conclusion
In conclusion, our study suggests an increased hazard of lymphoma and skin cancers among tattooed individuals, demonstrated through two designs: a twin cohort and a case-cotwin study. We are concerned that tattoo ink interacting with surrounding cells may have severe consequences. Studies that pinpoint the etiological pathway of tattoo ink induced carcinogenesis are recommended to benefit public health.

The rise of laser treatments has had the unfortunatel side-effect of people seeing them as removable.

Mexicanpete

Andy_JS said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

When they go out of fashion, as they almost certainly will, a lot of people with them will probably expect the NHS to pay for removal.

After Nige and your boy Goodwin take over the nation, what NHS?

wooliedyed

AnneJGP said:

wooliedyed said:

AnneJGP said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

Always meant people employed but not in one of the professions and not at middle management or above to me

I thought any white collar employment was middle class.

No, office workers are not middle class at clerk or even junior management level. Not in my definition anyway!

Pagan2

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Shame the rest of us have to look at it.

It's (permanent) graffiti on your own body.

Yes but its my body and I don't give a shit if it offends you because your opinion on this doesn't matter

Pagan2

Andy_JS said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

When they go out of fashion, as they almost certainly will, a lot of people with them will probably expect the NHS to pay for removal.

Well on this I agree shouldn't be available on the nhs

Casino_Royale

AnneJGP said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

People who say them rather than those, or don't rather than doesn't, and perform jobs that don't require a tertiary level of education.

rottenborough

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Shame the rest of us have to look at it.

It's (permanent) graffiti on your own body.

"Jennifer we can't go wrong, let's put it in writing"

Eabhal

algarkirk said:

What is working people supposed to mean? All those who work for a living? If so, the idea that there is some common interest they all have - from partner in magic circle solicitor to lathe operator to check out person - as against all other people is nonsense.

Could polling people put a bit of effort into qualitative data, about what exactly people think about properly framed questions in place of twaddle?

I would go with at least 3/4 of income is from earnings. That would exclude lots of benefit claimants, landlords, pensioners etc.

Pagan2

Casino_Royale said:

AnneJGP said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

People who say them rather than those, or don't rather than doesn't, and perform jobs that don't require a tertiary level of education.

I do a job that nowadays to enter they ask for a degree....I don't have one because I got in before they went stupid with qualifications. Indeed a lot of people do jobs that when they joined asked for o levels or a levels where now they demand a degree.

So are all the ones without a degree doing those jobs working class and all the ones with a degree (new entrants to the field) non working class?

Mexicanpete

Casino_Royale said:

AnneJGP said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

People who say them rather than those, or don't rather than doesn't, and perform jobs that don't require a tertiary level of education.

TV presenters, DJs and rappers?

Oh and footballers.

Taz

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

AnneJGP said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

People who say them rather than those, or don't rather than doesn't, and perform jobs that don't require a tertiary level of education.

I do a job that nowadays to enter they ask for a degree....I don't have one because I got in before they went stupid with qualifications. Indeed a lot of people do jobs that when they joined asked for o levels or a levels where now they demand a degree.

So are all the ones without a degree doing those jobs working class and all the ones with a degree (new entrants to the field) non working class?

JLR mandate degrees, or certainly did, for all jobs above a certain level. They get round the fact the older, more experienced, staff that don’t have degrees, who they need to employ by taking them all in on contract.

ydoethur

TheScreamingEagles said:

kinabalu said:

carnforth said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

Unlike Kinabalu, TSE steadfastly refuses to live in London. That's commitment.

Well I couldn't make it in Rotherham. So with enormous regret ...

Come to Dore, it’s the Mayfair of the North.

Is that an open invitation?

Casino_Royale

rottenborough said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Shame the rest of us have to look at it.

It's (permanent) graffiti on your own body.

"Jennifer we can't go wrong, let's put it in writing"

I should have added: they are almost all shit and that's right at the start.

I haven't even got to how they deteroriate as one ages so they all end up looking like a blurred blue-green sailor's anchor over time, regardless of the original "design".

Pagan2

Taz said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

AnneJGP said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

People who say them rather than those, or don't rather than doesn't, and perform jobs that don't require a tertiary level of education.

I do a job that nowadays to enter they ask for a degree....I don't have one because I got in before they went stupid with qualifications. Indeed a lot of people do jobs that when they joined asked for o levels or a levels where now they demand a degree.

So are all the ones without a degree doing those jobs working class and all the ones with a degree (new entrants to the field) non working class?

JLR mandate degrees, or certainly did, for all jobs above a certain level. They get round the fact the older, more experienced, staff that don’t have degrees, who they need to employ by taking them all in on contract.

Which is ridiculous, my area software developer seems to be swinging against graduates in favour of apprentices from all walks of life because too many graduates don't cut the mustard frankly

Taz

HYUFD said:

The polling evidence certainly suggests that Reform now lead with working class voters, while Labour do better with middle class voters than the white working class (especially with the public sector employed middle class).

Whereas in the 20th century Labour nearly always won the working class vote

It’s because Reform is the only party that seems to be bothered about the working class.

Labour is now the party of the Quangocrat and the Public Sector.

Casino_Royale

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Shame the rest of us have to look at it.

It's (permanent) graffiti on your own body.

Yes but its my body and I don't give a shit if it offends you because your opinion on this doesn't matter

Yes, and such defensive reactions are almost always said by people who do very much care.

They want admiration and recognition of their art, not to be embarrassed by it.

It's one of the stupidest trends of the last 10 years. At least you can work off the podge or shave a beard off.

Pagan2

Casino_Royale said:

rottenborough said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Shame the rest of us have to look at it.

It's (permanent) graffiti on your own body.

"Jennifer we can't go wrong, let's put it in writing"

I should have added: they are almost all shit and that's right at the start.

I haven't even got to how they deteroriate as one ages so they all end up looking like a blurred blue-green sailor's anchor over time, regardless of the original "design".

They used to back in the 50's more modern inks not so much. Mine are now almost 40 year old and no noticeable deterioration

Mexicanpete

AnneJGP said:

wooliedyed said:

AnneJGP said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

Always meant people employed but not in one of the professions and not at middle management or above to me

I thought any white collar employment was middle class.

0i! I wear wear a whistle and Peckham on my window cleaning round!

Taz

williamglenn said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

See Labour’s response to a wider Reform campaign.

They've lost the plot a bit. Look at the AI graphic on this one:

https://x.com/MikeTappTweets/status/1927456131405742455

Time to unite and reject this trickster politics - for King and country.

Why don’t the, oh, I dunno, say what they will do to improve the lives of the people and the communities now moving to Reform and actually do it instead of this crap.

A Sure Start Centre here or there won’t cut it.

Sean_F

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Shame the rest of us have to look at it.

It's (permanent) graffiti on your own body.

Yes but its my body and I don't give a shit if it offends you because your opinion on this doesn't matter

Yes, and such defensive reactions are almost always said by people who do very much care.

They want admiration and recognition of their art, not to be embarrassed by it.

It's one of the stupidest trends of the last 10 years. At least you can work off the podge or shave a beard off.

Tattoos are usually disgusting.

AnneJGP

TheScreamingEagles said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

How long have you been on PB?

Everybody knows I am primus inter pares of PB proles, surely you must be familiar with me being the grandson of humble immigrants to the UK.

Your father wasn't a toolmaker by any chance, was he?

Battlebus

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

And if you don't have one, is your life meaningless?

TOPPING

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Shame the rest of us have to look at it.

It's (permanent) graffiti on your own body.

Yes but its my body and I don't give a shit if it offends you because your opinion on this doesn't matter

Yes, and such defensive reactions are almost always said by people who do very much care.

They want admiration and recognition of their art, not to be embarrassed by it.

It's one of the stupidest trends of the last 10 years. At least you can work off the podge or shave a beard off.

Tattoos are usually disgusting.

I think the sleeves have a certain aesthetic/signifier value. But you (your arms) need to fit and by that I mean be fit. Nothing funnier than seeing a scrawny git with a sleeve. And you can usually see it because they will have their sleeves rolled up.

Casino_Royale

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

rottenborough said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Shame the rest of us have to look at it.

It's (permanent) graffiti on your own body.

"Jennifer we can't go wrong, let's put it in writing"

I should have added: they are almost all shit and that's right at the start.

I haven't even got to how they deteroriate as one ages so they all end up looking like a blurred blue-green sailor's anchor over time, regardless of the original "design".

They used to back in the 50's more modern inks not so much. Mine are now almost 40 year old and no noticeable deterioration

If your profile picture is representative, I'm not so sure about that.

MattW

Eabhal said:

algarkirk said:

What is working people supposed to mean? All those who work for a living? If so, the idea that there is some common interest they all have - from partner in magic circle solicitor to lathe operator to check out person - as against all other people is nonsense.

Could polling people put a bit of effort into qualitative data, about what exactly people think about properly framed questions in place of twaddle?

I would go with at least 3/4 of income is from earnings. That would exclude lots of benefit claimants, landlords, pensioners etc.

What is earnings supposed to mean?

If it means earned from employment that's most of the plumbers, electricians and possibly brickies gone, and it let's in the one man band consultants running limited companies.

MattW

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Shame the rest of us have to look at it.

It's (permanent) graffiti on your own body.

Yes but its my body and I don't give a shit if it offends you because your opinion on this doesn't matter

Yes, and such defensive reactions are almost always said by people who do very much care.

They want admiration and recognition of their art, not to be embarrassed by it.

It's one of the stupidest trends of the last 10 years. At least you can work off the podge or shave a beard off.

Has anyone told Boris?

Casino_Royale

TOPPING said:

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Shame the rest of us have to look at it.

It's (permanent) graffiti on your own body.

Yes but its my body and I don't give a shit if it offends you because your opinion on this doesn't matter

Yes, and such defensive reactions are almost always said by people who do very much care.

They want admiration and recognition of their art, not to be embarrassed by it.

It's one of the stupidest trends of the last 10 years. At least you can work off the podge or shave a beard off.

Tattoos are usually disgusting.

I think the sleeves have a certain aesthetic/signifier value. But you (your arms) need to fit and by that I mean be fit. Nothing funnier than seeing a scrawny git with a sleeve. And you can usually see it because they will have their sleeves rolled up.

I would, of course, make an exception for any pb'er who had "OGH forever" tattooed on their body.

Maybe even: "A rogue poll is one you don't agree with"

TheScreamingEagles

AnneJGP said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

How long have you been on PB?

Everybody knows I am primus inter pares of PB proles, surely you must be familiar with me being the grandson of humble immigrants to the UK.

Your father wasn't a toolmaker by any chance, was he?

My father was even more working class, he was a doctor.

AnneJGP

Eabhal said:

algarkirk said:

What is working people supposed to mean? All those who work for a living? If so, the idea that there is some common interest they all have - from partner in magic circle solicitor to lathe operator to check out person - as against all other people is nonsense.

Could polling people put a bit of effort into qualitative data, about what exactly people think about properly framed questions in place of twaddle?

I would go with at least 3/4 of income is from earnings. That would exclude lots of benefit claimants, landlords, pensioners etc.

My dad was quite clearly working class all his life. So what did he become overnight when he retired?

MattW

BatteryCorrectHorse said:

BatteryCorrectHorse

I think you are exactly one month late for "My Own Name" Day.

Ed Balls Last Month.

Nigel_Foremain

"I am strongly of the opinion that people with class do not talk about class" Well said TSE. Labour's inverted snobbery is the thing I hate most about them, and it is quite a long list.

occasionalranter

MattW said:

Eabhal said:

algarkirk said:

What is working people supposed to mean? All those who work for a living? If so, the idea that there is some common interest they all have - from partner in magic circle solicitor to lathe operator to check out person - as against all other people is nonsense.

Could polling people put a bit of effort into qualitative data, about what exactly people think about properly framed questions in place of twaddle?

I would go with at least 3/4 of income is from earnings. That would exclude lots of benefit claimants, landlords, pensioners etc.

What is earnings supposed to mean?

If it means earned from employment that's most of the plumbers, electricians and possibly brickies gone, and it let's in the one man band consultants running limited companies.

Not that difficult to pin down: use same definition of earnings as for limit of tax relief on pension contributions

Sunil_Prasannan

TOPPING said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kinabalu said:

carnforth said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

Unlike Kinabalu, TSE steadfastly refuses to live in London. That's commitment.

Well I couldn't make it in Rotherham. So with enormous regret ...

Come to Dore, it’s the Mayfair of the North.

Mayfair is the Mayfair of the North.

"Henley is the Venice of the north." - Boris.

Battlebus

Casino_Royale said:

TOPPING said:

Sean_F said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

Shame the rest of us have to look at it.

It's (permanent) graffiti on your own body.

Yes but its my body and I don't give a shit if it offends you because your opinion on this doesn't matter

Yes, and such defensive reactions are almost always said by people who do very much care.

They want admiration and recognition of their art, not to be embarrassed by it.

It's one of the stupidest trends of the last 10 years. At least you can work off the podge or shave a beard off.

Tattoos are usually disgusting.

I think the sleeves have a certain aesthetic/signifier value. But you (your arms) need to fit and by that I mean be fit. Nothing funnier than seeing a scrawny git with a sleeve. And you can usually see it because they will have their sleeves rolled up.

I would, of course, make an exception for any pb'er who had "OGH forever" tattooed on their body.

Maybe even: "A rogue poll is one you don't agree with"

Apologies for the spolling

Pagan2

Battlebus said:

Pagan2 said:

Casino_Royale said:

Almost all tattoos are shit.

Tattoos however aren't done for the observer generally except those done for the purpose of intimidation. Most are done because it means something to the person having it done

And if you don't have one, is your life meaningless?

All life in meaningless

However why does it bother you so much that some people have tattoos because they have meaning for them while they exist?

I don't complain if you want to do something no matter if I think it silly, I find a lot of what people do non understandable.....whether buying a maserati when a fiat 500 would do the same job silly but it has meaning for them....not my place to judge

Omnium

AnneJGP said:

Eabhal said:

algarkirk said:

What is working people supposed to mean? All those who work for a living? If so, the idea that there is some common interest they all have - from partner in magic circle solicitor to lathe operator to check out person - as against all other people is nonsense.

Could polling people put a bit of effort into qualitative data, about what exactly people think about properly framed questions in place of twaddle?

I would go with at least 3/4 of income is from earnings. That would exclude lots of benefit claimants, landlords, pensioners etc.

My dad was quite clearly working class all his life. So what did he become overnight when he retired?

Emeritus Lord High Executioner?

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

How long have you been on PB?

Everybody knows I am primus inter pares of PB proles, surely you must be familiar with me being the grandson of humble immigrants to the UK.

TSE-PO - the lawyer/protocol droid

MattW

TheScreamingEagles said:

AnneJGP said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

How long have you been on PB?

Everybody knows I am primus inter pares of PB proles, surely you must be familiar with me being the grandson of humble immigrants to the UK.

Your father wasn't a toolmaker by any chance, was he?

My father was even more working class, he was a doctor.

Indeedy-doody.

Very keen on going on strike, Doctors.

Who needs Red Robbo?

Eabhal

MattW said:

Eabhal said:

algarkirk said:

What is working people supposed to mean? All those who work for a living? If so, the idea that there is some common interest they all have - from partner in magic circle solicitor to lathe operator to check out person - as against all other people is nonsense.

Could polling people put a bit of effort into qualitative data, about what exactly people think about properly framed questions in place of twaddle?

I would go with at least 3/4 of income is from earnings. That would exclude lots of benefit claimants, landlords, pensioners etc.

What is earnings supposed to mean?

If it means earned from employment that's most of the plumbers, electricians and possibly brickies gone, and it let's in the one man band consultants running limited companies.

That's why I said earnings, not wages/salaries. I'd go by the FRS terminology, though I concede there are some tricky cases around landlords using companies etc.

HYUFD

wooliedyed said:

AnneJGP said:

wooliedyed said:

AnneJGP said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

Always meant people employed but not in one of the professions and not at middle management or above to me

I thought any white collar employment was middle class.

No, office workers are not middle class at clerk or even junior management level. Not in my definition anyway!

They are certainly at least lower middle class

Omnium

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

How long have you been on PB?

Everybody knows I am primus inter pares of PB proles, surely you must be familiar with me being the grandson of humble immigrants to the UK.

TSE-PO - the lawyer/protocol droid

rcs too d2 for a mention?

Pagan2

HYUFD said:

wooliedyed said:

AnneJGP said:

wooliedyed said:

AnneJGP said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

Always meant people employed but not in one of the professions and not at middle management or above to me

I thought any white collar employment was middle class.

No, office workers are not middle class at clerk or even junior management level. Not in my definition anyway!

They are certainly at least lower middle class

Fuck off and stop trying to put me in a box. I am me not some fucking statistic, so is everyone else. I have less in common with the work colleague sitting beside me that went from a nice middle class home to university to the same job as me than I do with someone who left home and school at 16 and worked as a brickie all their life

stodge

Afternoon all

Heartening to see my local coffee shop taken over by eager young types (all female) all anxiously revising. Apparently accountancy is now done using multiple choice questions - explains so much about the nation's finances.

The London local elections are already looking complicated - we had a London wide poll a couple of weeks ago from Find Out Now which had (for a hypothetical GE) - Labour 30%, Conservative 19%, Reform 17%, LD 16%, Green 15%.

The Inner London numbers were Labour 36%, Green 20%, Reform 16%, LD 15%, Conservative 8% and in Outer London Labour 27%, Conservative 22%, Reform 20%, LD 16%, Green 12%.

The 2024 GE numbers were Labour 43%, Conservative 21%, LD 11%, Green 10%, Reform 9%, Others 7% (apologies for the rounding).

SandyRentool

TheScreamingEagles said:

kinabalu said:

carnforth said:

TOPPING said:

Oh sorry, I thought the header "I am prolier than thou" was about or written by @kinabalu.

Pre-ascension.

Unlike Kinabalu, TSE steadfastly refuses to live in London. That's commitment.

Well I couldn't make it in Rotherham. So with enormous regret ...

Come to Dore, it’s the Mayfair of the North.

I thought Razzle was the Mayfair of the North.

TheScreamingEagles

Best tattoo ever.

Scott_xP

@SkyNews

BREAKING: Russia offers Ukraine date and venue for second round of direct talks



I wonder if this is any way related to the ammunition store 6000km from the border that exploded last night...

Pagan2

Pagan2 said:

HYUFD said:

wooliedyed said:

AnneJGP said:

wooliedyed said:

AnneJGP said:

Cookie said:

"Party of the working people" is not, I would suggest, talking about class - it's distinguishing those who work for a living vs those who do not.

Working class has changed enormously from the working class I grew up in. Used to mean effectively manual labour.

Always meant people employed but not in one of the professions and not at middle management or above to me

I thought any white collar employment was middle class.

No, office workers are not middle class at clerk or even junior management level. Not in my definition anyway!

They are certainly at least lower middle class

Fuck off and stop trying to put me in a box. I am me not some fucking statistic, so is everyone else. I have less in common with the work colleague sitting beside me that went from a nice middle class home to university to the same job as me than I do with someone who left home and school at 16 and worked as a brickie all their life

Sorry this class shit has to stop, people who do any type of job will come from a mix of backgrounds to try and group them together and make them a homogenous blob is no better than grouping black people or muslim or hindu's together and treat them as a blob

wooliedyed

stodge said:

Afternoon all

Heartening to see my local coffee shop taken over by eager young types (all female) all anxiously revising. Apparently accountancy is now done using multiple choice questions - explains so much about the nation's finances.

The London local elections are already looking complicated - we had a London wide poll a couple of weeks ago from Find Out Now which had (for a hypothetical GE) - Labour 30%, Conservative 19%, Reform 17%, LD 16%, Green 15%.

The Inner London numbers were Labour 36%, Green 20%, Reform 16%, LD 15%, Conservative 8% and in Outer London Labour 27%, Conservative 22%, Reform 20%, LD 16%, Green 12%.

The 2024 GE numbers were Labour 43%, Conservative 21%, LD 11%, Green 10%, Reform 9%, Others 7% (apologies for the rounding).

Labour can't afford to slip much further back from that or seats start to topple in huge numbers - they are beset on all fronts- in affluent central London and NW by Tories, in South and North East Outer London by Reform, i. Inner London by greens and Gaza indies with LD threats dotted about too

Mexicanpete

Nigel_Foremain said:

"I am strongly of the opinion that people with class do not talk about class" Well said TSE. Labour's inverted snobbery is the thing I hate most about them, and it is quite a long list.

That's nonsense.

There is one poster on here who happens to be absolutely fixated on class warfare and he stands about as far away from Labour as it is possible to stand*.

*Labour are indeed a very long way from Epping Forest.

wooliedyed

OhGod, I've just discovered i I'm as thick as mince.
I thought Boris was MP for Hendon first time round.
Henley!

Pagan2

wooliedyed said:

OhGod, I've just discovered i I'm as thick as mince.
I thought Boris was MP for Hendon first time round.
Henley!

Well you did vote tory long after sensible people stopped