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Wow, Lib Dem Chief Whip takes action to stop a defection to Lab in The Commons –politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,376
edited March 21 in General
Wow, Lib Dem Chief Whip takes action to stop a defection to Lab in The Commons – politicalbetting.com

Last night Lib Dem MP Steve Darling’s guide dog @rthonjennie momentarily crossed the floor and fraternised with Labour MPs during a division.Today she gets a doggy dressing down from Lib Dem Chief Whip Wendy Chamberlain. https://t.co/Zt1XbpozmJ pic.twitter.com/xNbFB98acD

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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595
    It's a shaggy dog story.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,115
    Everyone is saying that British politics is going to the dogs.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,365
    Quite funny from the LDs. Perhaps there is hope for them.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554
    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,365
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Steptoe and Son Recycling.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554
    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Steptoe and Son Recycling.
    Did someone tell you this is the prototype ?


  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,959
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Israel and nobody else I imagine
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,458

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Israel and nobody else I imagine
    I guess so. Still some rubble to bomb.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Israel and nobody else I imagine
    No one got the F22 - which this succeeds - so it would actually be an interesting question if it weren't for the Trump angle.

    With that though, heaven knows. Might be us; might be the Saudis.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,365
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Israel and nobody else I imagine
    No one got the F22 - which this succeeds - so it would actually be an interesting question if it weren't for the Trump angle.

    With that though, heaven knows. Might be us; might be the Saudis.
    I don't see any Democracy ever buying US big systems ever again.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,010
    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Steptoe and Son Recycling.
    Did someone tell you this is the prototype ?


    There as no way they were ever going to buy that abomination. And it wasn't just looks: Boeing admitted that there were going to have to be very significant changes from the prototype to the real plane, whereas Lockheed's prototype was more like the eventual F-35.

    Incidentally, I do wonder if spreading expertise is one reason the US government have gone for Boeing. They have form for this: the B2 stealth bomber was awarded to Northrop despite Lockheed having loads of stealth experience with the F-117. In part, according to Ben Rich, because the government did not want only Lockheed having the knowledge on how to build stealth aircraft.

    It now means NG have the contract to build the B-21 Raider bomber; LM the contract to build the F-35, and Boeing the F-47. The three main contractors all have future work.

    Or, knowing Trump, there were bungs. And it's not as though either Boeing or Lockheed are innocent of that in the past...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,128
    edited March 21
    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Steptoe and Son Recycling.
    Did someone tell you this is the prototype ?


    Design influence from seeeing Count Binface?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,734

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Steptoe and Son Recycling.
    Did someone tell you this is the prototype ?


    There as no way they were ever going to buy that abomination. And it wasn't just looks: Boeing admitted that there were going to have to be very significant changes from the prototype to the real plane, whereas Lockheed's prototype was more like the eventual F-35.

    Incidentally, I do wonder if spreading expertise is one reason the US government have gone for Boeing. They have form for this: the B2 stealth bomber was awarded to Northrop despite Lockheed having loads of stealth experience with the F-117. In part, according to Ben Rich, because the government did not want only Lockheed having the knowledge on how to build stealth aircraft.

    It now means NG have the contract to build the B-21 Raider bomber; LM the contract to build the F-35, and Boeing the F-47. The three main contractors all have future work.

    Or, knowing Trump, there were bungs. And it's not as though either Boeing or Lockheed are innocent of that in the past...
    No need for brown envelopes. Hidden state subsidies for its aerospace industry via Pentagon or NASA research projects or prototype development are nothing new. Ask Elon.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,026
    "An experienced electrical engineer today blamed the catastrophic failure of an 'oil-filled transformer' for the devastating fire that has shut down Heathrow Airport and embarrassed Britain on the world stage.

    Tom Watters, who has worked on critical infrastructure around the world, told MailOnline the crucial substation powering Heathrow and west London contains 'very old' equipment and blamed a 'lack of investment' for the crisis.

    The substation fire in Hayes involved 25,000 litres of cooling oil igniting, the London Fire Brigade (LFB) has said."

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14523119/firefighters-major-update-heathrow-airport-met-police-cause.html
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,390
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Israel and nobody else I imagine
    I guess so. Still some rubble to bomb.
    And women and children
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,723
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Israel and nobody else I imagine
    No one got the F22 - which this succeeds - so it would actually be an interesting question if it weren't for the Trump angle.

    With that though, heaven knows. Might be us; might be the Saudis.
    It's too much if a risk for us to buy into another American project after Trump.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,529
    Back to Heathrow, when computer back ends talk about 7, 8, 11 9s availability (this means the number of 9s in a % uptime calculation, 4 9s would be 99.99% available, or 8 hours downtime a year) that's rarely translates to the front end service.

    If you think of all the various things that can take an airport's front end service out partly or in full, security evacuations, a broken plane stuck on a runway, an ash cloud, an ATC strike, that this particular bit of resilience to the specific scenario was not high enough to materially affect the 3.x 9s that the airport itself expects to be able to process planes at, and that a lot of the back end operations sat there just fine.

    They will review, but they may well just conclude it is just a part of their acceptable risk.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,328
    This, from the Indie, has just appeared in my inbox. Make of it what you will.
    "Nearly 250 years after America declared independence from Great Britain, President Donald Trump suggested he was open to taking a small step back towards the warm embrace of the British monarchy after a media outlet reported that King Charles III intends to extend an offer for the United States to join the Commonwealth of Nations.

    The King is reportedly preparing to extend the offer of “associate membership” in the voluntary association of 56 nations, most of which have history as former British colonies. Trump, it seems, is open to the idea.

    Writing on his Truth Social platform while sharing an article referencing the unprecedented offer, Trump said: “I Love King Charles. Sounds good to me!”"
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,328
    Chris said:

    Typical of the Lib Dems. Portraying themselves as so "nice", and what they don't tell you is that the dog was threatened with the exposure of her extra-marital affairs to make sure she never did that again.

    Didn't make a lot of difference to Jeremy Thorpe.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,116
    edited March 21
    PRO TRAVEL TIP

    If coming to Uruguay bring at least two bottles of Tabasco. The smoky habanero and the green jalapeño. Maybe the third trad original if you’re daring

    They are tiny and sneaky enough to be weilded in cafes and restaurants and they can turn - as they just did for me - a desperately mediocre dish of frozen fish and meh tabbouleh into something… tolerable

    In Uruguay, “tolerable” food is ambrosia. People travel thousands of miles for a tolerable meal. They have entire guides full of the five or six restaurants which serve food which is regarded as “just about edible” or the full on top notch “some lf it was actually nice”

    Vegans are advised to apply for asylum: elsewhere
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554
    edited March 21
    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Israel and nobody else I imagine
    No one got the F22 - which this succeeds - so it would actually be an interesting question if it weren't for the Trump angle.

    With that though, heaven knows. Might be us; might be the Saudis.
    It's too much if a risk for us to buy into another American project after Trump.
    I tend to agree.
    And if we don't develop the next generation of air combat platforms with European partners, we'll quite probably lose the capability.

    But it's a key inflection point in the transatlantic relationship.

    (Note, Italy and the UK are wooing the Saudis to join our Global Combat Air Programme - though Japan isn't very happy about that.)
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,851

    Chris said:

    Typical of the Lib Dems. Portraying themselves as so "nice", and what they don't tell you is that the dog was threatened with the exposure of her extra-marital affairs to make sure she never did that again.

    Didn't make a lot of difference to Jeremy Thorpe.
    Well, of course with Rinka it went beyond threats (allegedly).
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,240
    So it wasn’t Vlad in the substation with the matchbook after all?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,115

    Chris said:

    Typical of the Lib Dems. Portraying themselves as so "nice", and what they don't tell you is that the dog was threatened with the exposure of her extra-marital affairs to make sure she never did that again.

    Didn't make a lot of difference to Jeremy Thorpe.
    Or, as a North Devon election campaign went,

  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,365

    So it wasn’t Vlad in the substation with the matchbook after all?

    I imagine the Met are involved.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,328
    Leon said:

    PRO TRAVEL TIP

    If coming to Uruguay bring at least two bottles of Tabasco. The smoky habanero and the green jalapeño. Maybe the third trad original if you’re daring

    They are tiny and sneaky enough to be weilded in cafes and restaurants and they can turn - as they just did for me - a desperately mediocre dish of frozen fish and meh tabbouleh into something… tolerable

    In Uruguay, “tolerable” food is ambrosia. People travel thousands of miles for a tolerable meal. They have entire guides full of the five or six restaurants which serve food which is regarded as “just about edible” or the full on top notch “some lf it was actually nice”

    Vegans are advised to apply for asylum: elsewhere

    Do I gather you didn't really enjoy yourself? Surely the wine was good?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,140

    This, from the Indie, has just appeared in my inbox. Make of it what you will.
    "Nearly 250 years after America declared independence from Great Britain, President Donald Trump suggested he was open to taking a small step back towards the warm embrace of the British monarchy after a media outlet reported that King Charles III intends to extend an offer for the United States to join the Commonwealth of Nations.

    The King is reportedly preparing to extend the offer of “associate membership” in the voluntary association of 56 nations, most of which have history as former British colonies. Trump, it seems, is open to the idea.

    Writing on his Truth Social platform while sharing an article referencing the unprecedented offer, Trump said: “I Love King Charles. Sounds good to me!”"

    There's only room for one king in the Commonwealth, Donald...
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,958
    "Make everything better" is a Tabasco slogan
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554
    edited March 21
    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Israel and nobody else I imagine
    No one got the F22 - which this succeeds - so it would actually be an interesting question if it weren't for the Trump angle.

    With that though, heaven knows. Might be us; might be the Saudis.
    It's too much if a risk for us to buy into another American project after Trump.
    I tend to agree.
    And if we don't develop the next generation of air combat platforms with European partners, we'll quite probably lose the capability.

    But it's a key inflection point in the transatlantic relationship.

    (Note, Italy and the UK are wooing the Saudis to join our Global Combat Air Programme - though Japan isn't very happy about that.)
    Two other points.

    "An exportable variant" means downgraded versus the US version. Which proved impractical with the F22 which was why it was never exported.

    Then there's the navy version of NGAD (which hasn't yet had a contact awarded). It's specced to operate off US carriers, so might not fly off ours. In that respect, a Euro/Japanese option is also less risky.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554

    Lab defects to Lab.

    Lab/Lab pact.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,140
    Omnium said:

    So it wasn’t Vlad in the substation with the matchbook after all?

    I imagine the Met are involved.
    Doing a protection number on Heathrow?

    "Nice little substation you've got there. Shame if anything should go KER-BOOOOM...."
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,307
    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,958

    Lab defects to Lab.

    Lab defecates on Lab for shits and gigs

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,328

    This, from the Indie, has just appeared in my inbox. Make of it what you will.
    "Nearly 250 years after America declared independence from Great Britain, President Donald Trump suggested he was open to taking a small step back towards the warm embrace of the British monarchy after a media outlet reported that King Charles III intends to extend an offer for the United States to join the Commonwealth of Nations.

    The King is reportedly preparing to extend the offer of “associate membership” in the voluntary association of 56 nations, most of which have history as former British colonies. Trump, it seems, is open to the idea.

    Writing on his Truth Social platform while sharing an article referencing the unprecedented offer, Trump said: “I Love King Charles. Sounds good to me!”"

    There's only room for one king in the Commonwealth, Donald...
    What about Lesotho and Eswatini?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554
    We Dug Into the Polls. Democrats in Congress Should Be Very Afraid.
    Democratic voters are even angrier than you think.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/03/21/polling-data-democrats-primaries-grassroots-tea-party-00241769
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,140

    This, from the Indie, has just appeared in my inbox. Make of it what you will.
    "Nearly 250 years after America declared independence from Great Britain, President Donald Trump suggested he was open to taking a small step back towards the warm embrace of the British monarchy after a media outlet reported that King Charles III intends to extend an offer for the United States to join the Commonwealth of Nations.

    The King is reportedly preparing to extend the offer of “associate membership” in the voluntary association of 56 nations, most of which have history as former British colonies. Trump, it seems, is open to the idea.

    Writing on his Truth Social platform while sharing an article referencing the unprecedented offer, Trump said: “I Love King Charles. Sounds good to me!”"

    There's only room for one king in the Commonwealth, Donald...
    What about Lesotho and Eswatini?
    And Tonga.

    But they aren't about to make a pussypower grab...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,467

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    Just Ireland and Israel to go then.

    By the way, is the Commonwealth Games dead or was it saved? The US can pony up for that...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,307
    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,185
    Someone mentioned "SKS mudguards" on the last thread

    Is that a new term for superinjunctions?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,979
    FPT, because I'm worth it.
    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    I see an Associate at Skadden has sent a firm-wide email resigning if the firm capitulates to Trump in the same way Paul Weiss has done.

    Some will hold out. Most won't.

    We like to think we'd stand up to power, but usually dont.
    https://www.linkedin.com/posts/rachelxcohen_i-just-put-in-conditional-notice-at-skadden-activity-7308686339435044864-gmb9

    Link for those interested.
    IMO Weiss caved for the same reason Columbia University - it was surrender on the "DEI" point or Trump would destroy the whole institution by forcing $400m of research funding to be pulled. That's more than the entire sustainable income from their huge $14.8 billion endowment; that's not quite a precise comparison, but it's illustrative.

    He's a narcissistic psychopath and the indications are that he *would* do it.

    It's as if all UK Govt funding to Oxbridge was going to be turned off.

    The Anne Applebaum interview with the Bulwark I posted a few weeks ago discussed this. The question to ask is not "Why did these surrender", but "Why did these resist?". The serious resistors who can pay a real cost will be 2 or 3 in a thousand.

    For an individual, it would be you will only get a job as a Janitor not a Professor, and your children will be denied Higher Education, and your family will be denied decent medical care, and your state pension will be cancelled.

    It's the consequences for others if they choose to be a martyr, in addition to very few setups are actually outside the reach of the Government.

    That's why I have been pointing out that if the Judiciary gets taken down, there are very few platforms that are completely independent from the Government and self-supporting. The USA will be into a situation where Desmond Tutus and Trevor Huddlestons become important, as they are very difficult to touch.

    Vaclav Havel was put in prison for resisting. Authors get their books banned from schools and libraries, then just banned. TV stations are turned off; Trump has already appointed one of his mushrooms head of the FCC, who aiui license TV stations and control the radio spectrum. And so on.

    Who knows - will we have a Samizdat media in the USA?
    I assumed that everyone here would know Archbishop Trevor Huddleston, but it is a long time ago - he was working in SA before Nelson Mandela joined the ANC. So I'll give a thumbnail sketch.

    Huddleston was a Mirfield (Anglo-Catholic social action tradition, so schools, nurseries, education, community facilities etc. ) missionary who went to work in South Africa in the 1930s, and ended up in the middle of a township called Sophiatown as Apartheid came in in the 1940s. He had a platform and buildings, and a community round him, and used them to fight the system. The Govt demolished Sophiatown, and rebuilt it as a white area.

    He wrote a book called "Naught for your Comfort" in 1956, which title was drawn from Chesterton's poem The Ballad of the White Horse. where the Virgin Mary advises King Alfred, facing invading Danes:

    I tell you naught for your comfort,
    Yea, naught for your desire,
    Save that the sky grows darker yet
    And the sea rises higher.


    He was in all sorts of places later, including as Bishop of Stepney.

    Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Huddleston

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Ask a Canadian.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,983
    It would seem the non charging of Sturgeon has passed without a whimper.
    I find it troubling that such matters nearly all seem to end without any elected official being charged
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,328

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    I'd want to see Donald Trump, on TV, down on one knee in front of King Charles and those of his children and grandchildren eligible at Sandhurst, or Cranfield or Dartmouth for two years.
    Whether the Donald would be safe if he then tried to visit, say Chicago, of course would be a question.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,307
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Ask a Canadian.
    Arguably the United States expanding to its natural borders would be a great thing for both sides, like the union between England and Scotland.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,180

    It would seem the non charging of Sturgeon has passed without a whimper.
    I find it troubling that such matters nearly all seem to end without any elected official being charged

    Perhaps the fact she did nothing wrong played a part?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,360

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Was that rhetorical or were you expecting us to answer a daft question?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,328
    MattW said:

    FPT, because I'm worth it.

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    I see an Associate at Skadden has sent a firm-wide email resigning if the firm capitulates to Trump in the same way Paul Weiss has done.

    Some will hold out. Most won't.

    We like to think we'd stand up to power, but usually dont.
    https://www.linkedin.com/posts/rachelxcohen_i-just-put-in-conditional-notice-at-skadden-activity-7308686339435044864-gmb9

    Link for those interested.
    IMO Weiss caved for the same reason Columbia University - it was surrender on the "DEI" point or Trump would destroy the whole institution by forcing $400m of research funding to be pulled. That's more than the entire sustainable income from their huge $14.8 billion endowment; that's not quite a precise comparison, but it's illustrative.

    He's a narcissistic psychopath and the indications are that he *would* do it.

    It's as if all UK Govt funding to Oxbridge was going to be turned off.

    The Anne Applebaum interview with the Bulwark I posted a few weeks ago discussed this. The question to ask is not "Why did these surrender", but "Why did these resist?". The serious resistors who can pay a real cost will be 2 or 3 in a thousand.

    For an individual, it would be you will only get a job as a Janitor not a Professor, and your children will be denied Higher Education, and your family will be denied decent medical care, and your state pension will be cancelled.

    It's the consequences for others if they choose to be a martyr, in addition to very few setups are actually outside the reach of the Government.

    That's why I have been pointing out that if the Judiciary gets taken down, there are very few platforms that are completely independent from the Government and self-supporting. The USA will be into a situation where Desmond Tutus and Trevor Huddlestons become important, as they are very difficult to touch.

    Vaclav Havel was put in prison for resisting. Authors get their books banned from schools and libraries, then just banned. TV stations are turned off; Trump has already appointed one of his mushrooms head of the FCC, who aiui license TV stations and control the radio spectrum. And so on.

    Who knows - will we have a Samizdat media in the USA?
    I assumed that everyone here would know Archbishop Trevor Huddleston, but it is a long time ago - he was working in SA before Nelson Mandela joined the ANC. So I'll give a thumbnail sketch.

    Huddleston was a Mirfield (Anglo-Catholic social action tradition, so schools, nurseries, education, community facilities etc. ) missionary who went to work in South Africa in the 1930s, and ended up in the middle of a township called Sophiatown as Apartheid came in in the 1940s. He had a platform and buildings, and a community round him, and used them to fight the system. The Govt demolished Sophiatown, and rebuilt it as a white area.

    He wrote a book called "Naught for your Comfort" in 1956, which title was drawn from Chesterton's poem The Ballad of the White Horse. where the Virgin Mary advises King Alfred, facing invading Danes:

    I tell you naught for your comfort,
    Yea, naught for your desire,
    Save that the sky grows darker yet
    And the sea rises higher.


    He was in all sorts of places later, including as Bishop of Stepney.

    Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Huddleston

    An early Anti-Apartheid's hero.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,288

    This, from the Indie, has just appeared in my inbox. Make of it what you will.
    "Nearly 250 years after America declared independence from Great Britain, President Donald Trump suggested he was open to taking a small step back towards the warm embrace of the British monarchy after a media outlet reported that King Charles III intends to extend an offer for the United States to join the Commonwealth of Nations.

    The King is reportedly preparing to extend the offer of “associate membership” in the voluntary association of 56 nations, most of which have history as former British colonies. Trump, it seems, is open to the idea.

    Writing on his Truth Social platform while sharing an article referencing the unprecedented offer, Trump said: “I Love King Charles. Sounds good to me!”"

    There's only room for one king in the Commonwealth, Donald...
    What about Lesotho and Eswatini?
    Malaysia!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,458

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Ask a Canadian.
    Arguably the United States expanding to its natural borders would be a great thing for both sides, like the union between England and Scotland.
    "natural borders" - now there's a slippery concept.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,231

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    It's a very conservative opinion, but I think the rule of law is a crucial foundation to a successful democracy and economy. The US appears to be abandoning the rule of law. So, yes, Canada would be shafted to join that.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,288
    Good to see @TSE topping the thread header with Tom Harwood of GB News :lol:
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,231
    Chris said:

    Typical of the Lib Dems. Portraying themselves as so "nice", and what they don't tell you is that the dog was threatened with the exposure of her extra-marital affairs to make sure she never did that again.

    Relevant: https://x.com/rthonjennie/status/1811672627603247431
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,288
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Ask a Canadian.
    Arguably the United States expanding to its natural borders would be a great thing for both sides, like the union between England and Scotland.
    "natural borders" - now there's a slippery concept.
    No Anglosphere would be complete without Trumpistan!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,909

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Would Ukraine be shafted if it joined Russia?

    But more seriously: it's one thing to ask nicely if someone wants to join you; it's something entirely different when it's combined with threats, tariffs, etc.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,332

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Ask a Canadian.
    Arguably the United States expanding to its natural borders would be a great thing for both sides, like the union between England and Scotland.
    Liebensraum.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,288

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Ask a Canadian.
    Arguably the United States expanding to its natural borders would be a great thing for both sides, like the union between England and Scotland.
    Liebensraum.
    Sore Lieber-nsraum.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,467

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Ask a Canadian.
    Arguably the United States expanding to its natural borders would be a great thing for both sides, like the union between England and Scotland.
    Liebensraum.
    Haven't had that since the 80s. Prefer Spätlese these days.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,773
    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Oh William, are you trolling or have you really gone stark raving bonkers?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,979
    edited March 21

    MattW said:

    FPT, because I'm worth it.

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    I see an Associate at Skadden has sent a firm-wide email resigning if the firm capitulates to Trump in the same way Paul Weiss has done.

    Some will hold out. Most won't.

    We like to think we'd stand up to power, but usually dont.
    https://www.linkedin.com/posts/rachelxcohen_i-just-put-in-conditional-notice-at-skadden-activity-7308686339435044864-gmb9

    Link for those interested.
    IMO Weiss caved for the same reason Columbia University - it was surrender on the "DEI" point or Trump would destroy the whole institution by forcing $400m of research funding to be pulled. That's more than the entire sustainable income from their huge $14.8 billion endowment; that's not quite a precise comparison, but it's illustrative.

    He's a narcissistic psychopath and the indications are that he *would* do it.

    It's as if all UK Govt funding to Oxbridge was going to be turned off.

    The Anne Applebaum interview with the Bulwark I posted a few weeks ago discussed this. The question to ask is not "Why did these surrender", but "Why did these resist?". The serious resistors who can pay a real cost will be 2 or 3 in a thousand.

    For an individual, it would be you will only get a job as a Janitor not a Professor, and your children will be denied Higher Education, and your family will be denied decent medical care, and your state pension will be cancelled.

    It's the consequences for others if they choose to be a martyr, in addition to very few setups are actually outside the reach of the Government.

    That's why I have been pointing out that if the Judiciary gets taken down, there are very few platforms that are completely independent from the Government and self-supporting. The USA will be into a situation where Desmond Tutus and Trevor Huddlestons become important, as they are very difficult to touch.

    Vaclav Havel was put in prison for resisting. Authors get their books banned from schools and libraries, then just banned. TV stations are turned off; Trump has already appointed one of his mushrooms head of the FCC, who aiui license TV stations and control the radio spectrum. And so on.

    Who knows - will we have a Samizdat media in the USA?
    I assumed that everyone here would know Archbishop Trevor Huddleston, but it is a long time ago - he was working in SA before Nelson Mandela joined the ANC. So I'll give a thumbnail sketch.

    Huddleston was a Mirfield (Anglo-Catholic social action tradition, so schools, nurseries, education, community facilities etc. ) missionary who went to work in South Africa in the 1930s, and ended up in the middle of a township called Sophiatown as Apartheid came in in the 1940s. He had a platform and buildings, and a community round him, and used them to fight the system. The Govt demolished Sophiatown, and rebuilt it as a white area.

    He wrote a book called "Naught for your Comfort" in 1956, which title was drawn from Chesterton's poem The Ballad of the White Horse. where the Virgin Mary advises King Alfred, facing invading Danes:

    I tell you naught for your comfort,
    Yea, naught for your desire,
    Save that the sky grows darker yet
    And the sea rises higher.


    He was in all sorts of places later, including as Bishop of Stepney.

    Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Huddleston

    An early Anti-Apartheid's hero.
    The chap (Raymond Raynes) who ran the mission before him was also a hero - he had set up schools for 6000 children, amongst other things.

    Huddleston had nursed him in the infirmary when he was summoned back to Mirfield on furlough to recover, and Raynes more or less identified him as his replacement.

    It's all less eye catching than keeping a stiff upper lip whilst being eaten by lions, but it's more useful in the long term.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,288

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    I'd want to see Donald Trump, on TV, down on one knee in front of King Charles and those of his children and grandchildren eligible at Sandhurst, or Cranfield or Dartmouth for two years.
    Whether the Donald would be safe if he then tried to visit, say Chicago, of course would be a question.
    "Rise before Charles. Good. Now kneel before Charles."
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,979
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Any guesses who that means ?

    Trump: An exportable F-47 variant will be made available to select US allies.
    https://x.com/ColbyBadhwar/status/1903109505203736754

    Russia?
    Israel and nobody else I imagine
    No one got the F22 - which this succeeds - so it would actually be an interesting question if it weren't for the Trump angle.

    With that though, heaven knows. Might be us; might be the Saudis.
    It's too much if a risk for us to buy into another American project after Trump.
    I tend to agree.
    And if we don't develop the next generation of air combat platforms with European partners, we'll quite probably lose the capability.

    But it's a key inflection point in the transatlantic relationship.

    (Note, Italy and the UK are wooing the Saudis to join our Global Combat Air Programme - though Japan isn't very happy about that.)
    Two other points.

    "An exportable variant" means downgraded versus the US version. Which proved impractical with the F22 which was why it was never exported.

    Then there's the navy version of NGAD (which hasn't yet had a contact awarded). It's specced to operate off US carriers, so might not fly off ours. In that respect, a Euro/Japanese option is also less risky.
    We need one for the radar pattern, so we can shoot them down if the time comes.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,288
    BA 380 just landed at LHR, apparently came from LGW.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,909

    BA 380 just landed at LHR, apparently came from LGW.

    You really need the A380 for those kind of routes between the massive metropolises of London and even more London.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,467
    rcs1000 said:

    BA 380 just landed at LHR, apparently came from LGW.

    You really need the A380 for those kind of routes between the massive metropolises of London and even more London.
    Entirely tangentially, I read yesterday that they want to start using A320s at LCY, carrying up to 180 in all economy:

    https://www.londoncityairport.com/media-centre/press-releases/london-city-airport-submits-application-to-accommodate-the-a320neo

    (Largest aircraft so far is the Embraer E2 at 146 passengers.)
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,874

    BA 380 just landed at LHR, apparently came from LGW.

    ONLY A 3 HOUR CYCLE

    /s
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,116

    geoffw said:

    "Make everything better" is a Tabasco slogan

    Tabasco is hot sauce for people who don't like hot sauce.
    No, I’ve corrected you on this before

    1. The habanero and jalapeño varieties are seriously superior to the classic vinegar-and-heat trad Tabasco. It is that of which you speak

    2. Only Tabasco does the bottles tiny enough you can sneak them out in restaurants with UTTERLY DREADFUL FOOD* and not cause a stir


    *approximately 94% of eateries in Latin America
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Wow, Lewis-Skelly starts!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Oh William, are you trolling or have you really gone stark raving bonkers?
    Increasingly the evidence is for the stark raving bonkers diagnosis.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,669
    MattW said:

    Fishing said:

    Nigelb said:

    Counter-terror police investigating Heathrow fire
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg5dg4p2l0o

    WAS IT THE RUSSIANS???
    Even if they didn't physically do it:

    1) they would have done it if they could have
    2) they did nothing to prevent it
    3) they've done far far worse to Ukraine.

    So they're still guilty and deserve us sending another round of weapons shipments to their enemies.

    That's a reasoned and proportionate response.
    There's been a plague of Russian hybrid actions across Europe.

    I think - and I'm being a bit impressionistic here - that the KGB or whatever it is now has never really recovered in the UK from when Edward Heath cleared them out in 1971 by Operation FOOT. I heard an interview with a former Secret Service type about it recently, I can't recall where. I expect there may be something in the Mitrokhin Archive about it from the KGB side - @Malmesbury ?
    It was mentioned - apparently the KGB had got fairly obvious and clumsy in London, so it was not difficult to work out who the spooks were. Binning the lot smashed up most of what they were doing for years - they had to go back to actually being covert.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,467
    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    "Make everything better" is a Tabasco slogan

    Tabasco is hot sauce for people who don't like hot sauce.
    No, I’ve corrected you on this before

    1. The habanero and jalapeño varieties are seriously superior to the classic vinegar-and-heat trad Tabasco. It is that of which you speak

    2. Only Tabasco does the bottles tiny enough you can sneak them out in restaurants with UTTERLY DREADFUL FOOD* and not cause a stir


    *approximately 94% of eateries in Latin America
    But why is the food bad? Is home cooking there bad? Or just restaurants? Don't poor places sometimes have good food because they have time on their hands? Surely they have no problem with quality of ingredients? Is carribean food shite too?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,116

    Leon said:

    PRO TRAVEL TIP

    If coming to Uruguay bring at least two bottles of Tabasco. The smoky habanero and the green jalapeño. Maybe the third trad original if you’re daring

    They are tiny and sneaky enough to be weilded in cafes and restaurants and they can turn - as they just did for me - a desperately mediocre dish of frozen fish and meh tabbouleh into something… tolerable

    In Uruguay, “tolerable” food is ambrosia. People travel thousands of miles for a tolerable meal. They have entire guides full of the five or six restaurants which serve food which is regarded as “just about edible” or the full on top notch “some lf it was actually nice”

    Vegans are advised to apply for asylum: elsewhere

    Do I gather you didn't really enjoy yourself? Surely the wine was good?
    The wine was good. It is good. It’s sometimes great. But it’s not enough. Is it?

    What is it with their pathetic fear of seasoning?

    Today I ordered “grilled fish”. I knew it would be quite bad but eeesh. It was just about saved by salt, lemon, olive oil and HABANERO Tabasco

    I still got the sense they offered the salt reluctantly.
    Like the waiter was saying “surely our slab of frozen fish listlessly grilled should provide enough flavour?!”
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,773
    Foxy said:

    ...

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Oh William, are you trolling or have you really gone stark raving bonkers?
    Increasingly the evidence is for the stark raving bonkers diagnosis.
    Thank you Doctor!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,116
    edited March 21
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    "Make everything better" is a Tabasco slogan

    Tabasco is hot sauce for people who don't like hot sauce.
    No, I’ve corrected you on this before

    1. The habanero and jalapeño varieties are seriously superior to the classic vinegar-and-heat trad Tabasco. It is that of which you speak

    2. Only Tabasco does the bottles tiny enough you can sneak them out in restaurants with UTTERLY DREADFUL FOOD* and not cause a stir


    *approximately 94% of eateries in Latin America
    But why is the food bad? Is home cooking there bad? Or just restaurants? Don't poor places sometimes have good food because they have time on their hands? Surely they have no problem with quality of ingredients? Is carribean food shite too?
    I wrote a whole long essay in the Gazette about the peculiar awfulness of Latin American food - which certainly cannot be ascribed to lack of money or produce

    I’ve just come from Myanmar - GDP per capita $1800, enduring a civil war, power cuts every day - magnificent varied cuisine. Now I’m in Uruguay - GDP per capita $18,000 - ten times richer - stable and prosperous by local standards - dreary ugly nasty food. Badly cooked and zero sense of spicing and flavouring

    My piece should be out soon

    As for the Caribbean it is fairly bad and the more Spanish it is the worse it gets. Cuba OMFG
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,967

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He'll change his mind when he finds out he'd be pressured to restore democracy.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,180
    Roger said:
    That was shown at the superbowl a few years ago. Very successful.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,025
    Dogging in the commons
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,134
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Ask a Canadian.
    Arguably the United States expanding to its natural borders would be a great thing for both sides, like the union between England and Scotland.
    Liebensraum.
    Haven't had that since the 80s. Prefer Spätlese these days.
    The 80s? I thought Liebensraum went out of fashion in the 40s
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Ask a Canadian.
    Arguably the United States expanding to its natural borders would be a great thing for both sides, like the union between England and Scotland.
    Argue with a Canadian.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,595
    Taz said:

    Dogging in the commons

    That's just barking.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,288
    BA A350 from Manchester just landing at LHR.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,896
    Iowa Starting Line
    @IAStartingLine
    ·
    3h
    At Sen. Chuck Grassley’s raucous town hall in Hampton, Iowans’ anger with Trump and Musk boils over.

    “Why do you believe President Trump is above the law … Why have you not spoken out?” one man asked the longtime senator

    A video thread:

    https://x.com/IAStartingLine/status/1903107013929849013
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,025
    Incoming IOC president open to the return of Russia to the Olympic fold, is against bans and points out there are other wars going on at the moment and the aggressors are not banned.

    https://news.sky.com/story/incoming-ioc-president-to-open-talks-on-russias-potential-return-to-olympics-13333288
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,979
    geoffw said:

    Oleg Gordievsky has died. Perhaps the most important defector in the cold war era. Deserves hero status.

    Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky CMG to us.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,332
    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    "Make everything better" is a Tabasco slogan

    Tabasco is hot sauce for people who don't like hot sauce.
    No, I’ve corrected you on this before

    1. The habanero and jalapeño varieties are seriously superior to the classic vinegar-and-heat trad Tabasco. It is that of which you speak

    2. Only Tabasco does the bottles tiny enough you can sneak them out in restaurants with UTTERLY DREADFUL FOOD* and not cause a stir


    *approximately 94% of eateries in Latin America
    But why is the food bad? Is home cooking there bad? Or just restaurants? Don't poor places sometimes have good food because they have time on their hands? Surely they have no problem with quality of ingredients? Is carribean food shite too?
    I wrote a whole long essay in the Gazette about the peculiar awfulness of Latin American food - which certainly cannot be ascribed to lack of money or produce

    I’ve just come from Myanmar - GDP per capita $1800, enduring a civil war, power cuts every day - magnificent varied cuisine. Now I’m in Uruguay - GDP per capita $18,000 - ten times richer - stable and prosperous by local standards - dreary ugly nasty food. Badly cooked and zero sense of spicing and flavouring

    My piece should be out soon

    As for the Caribbean it is fairly bad and the more Spanish it is the worse it gets. Cuba OMFG
    What do you expect? The Europeans wiped out the indigenous people who presumably knew how to make good food from local produce. And created plantation economies where food was designed to deliver maximum calories at minimum cost, while the European elites ate a kind of second rate transplanted European diet. New world societies are built on slavery and genocide, that's not a great recipe for culinary excellence.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,979
    Leon said:

    PRO TRAVEL TIP

    If coming to Uruguay bring at least two bottles of Tabasco. The smoky habanero and the green jalapeño. Maybe the third trad original if you’re daring

    They are tiny and sneaky enough to be weilded in cafes and restaurants and they can turn - as they just did for me - a desperately mediocre dish of frozen fish and meh tabbouleh into something… tolerable

    In Uruguay, “tolerable” food is ambrosia. People travel thousands of miles for a tolerable meal. They have entire guides full of the five or six restaurants which serve food which is regarded as “just about edible” or the full on top notch “some lf it was actually nice”

    Vegans are advised to apply for asylum: elsewhere

    Can you recommend a suitable brand and bottle size of Tabasco Sauce?

    Am I correct that it has either to be packed in checked-in luggage, or be very small indeed?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,288
    Taz said:

    Incoming IOC president open to the return of Russia to the Olympic fold, is against bans and points out there are other wars going on at the moment and the aggressors are not banned.

    https://news.sky.com/story/incoming-ioc-president-to-open-talks-on-russias-potential-return-to-olympics-13333288

    IOC should ban dictatorships and absolute monarchies.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,453
    Driver said:

    Wow, Lewis-Skelly starts!

    Not a huge surprise given the lack of options at left back. And he's not really a left back! But I'm delighted for him.

    A lot of pressure on Rashford and Foden to deliver tonight.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,554
    China just made a very large jump in chip production technology.
    It's not ASML - DUV, not EUV - but it gets their industry well beyond legacy chip production.

    Compact narrow-linewidth solid-state 193-nm pulsed laser source utilizing an optical parametric amplifier and its vortex beam generation

    https://www.opticsjournal.net/Articles/OJfa68cb6b8be8034d/FullText
    Deep ultraviolet coherent light, particularly at the wavelength of 193 nm, has become indispensable for semiconductor lithography. We present a compact solid-state nanosecond pulsed laser system capable of generating 193-nm coherent light at the repetition rate of 6 kHz. One part of the 1030-nm laser from the home-made Yb:YAG crystal amplifier is divided to generate 258 nm laser (1.2 W) by fourth-harmonic generation, and the rest is used to pump an optical parametric amplifier producing 1553 nm laser (700 mW). Frequency mixing of these beams in cascaded LiB3O5 crystals yields a 193-nm laser with 70-mW average power and a linewidth of less than 880 MHz. By introducing a spiral phase plate to the 1553-nm beam before frequency mixing, we generate a vortex beam carrying orbital angular momentum. This is, to our knowledge, the first demonstration of a 193-nm vortex beam generated from a solid-state laser. Such a beam could be valuable for seeding hybrid ArF excimer lasers and has potential applications in wafer processing and defect inspection..
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,882
    edited March 21
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/politlcsuk/status/1903100175976988882

    President Trump appears to agree to the US joining the British Commonwealth, saying it "sounds good to me"

    He's following the divide and conquer principle: what can I throw the Brits to separate them from the Europeans?

    And if it was a "one off", where we then found ourselves in the US's "good books", with all the benefits that accrue from that, then great.

    The problem is that once you have established a reputation for completely shafting your allies (see Canada), then why should Britain join the US? It'd only be a matter of time before we too were shafted because we'd upset King Donald.
    Would Canada be shafted if it joined the US?
    Ask a Canadian.
    Arguably the United States expanding to its natural borders would be a great thing for both sides, like the union between England and Scotland.
    "natural borders" - now there's a slippery concept.
    Yes, just look at the Aegean Sea.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,669

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    "Make everything better" is a Tabasco slogan

    Tabasco is hot sauce for people who don't like hot sauce.
    No, I’ve corrected you on this before

    1. The habanero and jalapeño varieties are seriously superior to the classic vinegar-and-heat trad Tabasco. It is that of which you speak

    2. Only Tabasco does the bottles tiny enough you can sneak them out in restaurants with UTTERLY DREADFUL FOOD* and not cause a stir


    *approximately 94% of eateries in Latin America
    But why is the food bad? Is home cooking there bad? Or just restaurants? Don't poor places sometimes have good food because they have time on their hands? Surely they have no problem with quality of ingredients? Is carribean food shite too?
    I wrote a whole long essay in the Gazette about the peculiar awfulness of Latin American food - which certainly cannot be ascribed to lack of money or produce

    I’ve just come from Myanmar - GDP per capita $1800, enduring a civil war, power cuts every day - magnificent varied cuisine. Now I’m in Uruguay - GDP per capita $18,000 - ten times richer - stable and prosperous by local standards - dreary ugly nasty food. Badly cooked and zero sense of spicing and flavouring

    My piece should be out soon

    As for the Caribbean it is fairly bad and the more Spanish it is the worse it gets. Cuba OMFG
    What do you expect? The Europeans wiped out the indigenous people who presumably knew how to make good food from local produce. And created plantation economies where food was designed to deliver maximum calories at minimum cost, while the European elites ate a kind of second rate transplanted European diet. New world societies are built on slavery and genocide, that's not a great recipe for culinary excellence.
    Strangely, other people manage to find lots of good food in South America.

    Ceviche, for an example.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,467

    Leon said:

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    "Make everything better" is a Tabasco slogan

    Tabasco is hot sauce for people who don't like hot sauce.
    No, I’ve corrected you on this before

    1. The habanero and jalapeño varieties are seriously superior to the classic vinegar-and-heat trad Tabasco. It is that of which you speak

    2. Only Tabasco does the bottles tiny enough you can sneak them out in restaurants with UTTERLY DREADFUL FOOD* and not cause a stir


    *approximately 94% of eateries in Latin America
    But why is the food bad? Is home cooking there bad? Or just restaurants? Don't poor places sometimes have good food because they have time on their hands? Surely they have no problem with quality of ingredients? Is carribean food shite too?
    I wrote a whole long essay in the Gazette about the peculiar awfulness of Latin American food - which certainly cannot be ascribed to lack of money or produce

    I’ve just come from Myanmar - GDP per capita $1800, enduring a civil war, power cuts every day - magnificent varied cuisine. Now I’m in Uruguay - GDP per capita $18,000 - ten times richer - stable and prosperous by local standards - dreary ugly nasty food. Badly cooked and zero sense of spicing and flavouring

    My piece should be out soon

    As for the Caribbean it is fairly bad and the more Spanish it is the worse it gets. Cuba OMFG
    What do you expect? The Europeans wiped out the indigenous people who presumably knew how to make good food from local produce. And created plantation economies where food was designed to deliver maximum calories at minimum cost, while the European elites ate a kind of second rate transplanted European diet. New world societies are built on slavery and genocide, that's not a great recipe for culinary excellence.
    Strangely, other people manage to find lots of good food in South America.

    Ceviche, for an example.
    Wikipedia makes it look delicious:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_cuisine

    Always interesting to hear the counterpoint though.
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