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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,341
    surbiton said:

    Sean_F said:

    BobaFett said:

    MikeK said:

    Why can't Kippers just admit that voting for them increases the chances of a Europhile MP being elected. For goodness sake in 2010 in the South-west, the LibDem over Tory majority was smaller than the UKIP vote in 5 out of the 10 seats they won. Vote UKIP and get a rampant pro EU Europhile Labour or LibDem MP.

    What does UKIP want? It want's power. Power to really change things here in Britain. It won't happen at the next GE but the party will make huge advances. It may happen in 2020, or sooner if the next government abolish the 5 year nonsense and return to more dynamic politics. However long it takes its worth the effort. The Tories and Labour are clearly worn out parties that have no idea or intention to reinvent themselves. The L/Dems only think of themselves and how wonderful to bask in the EU wonderland. Unlike Richard_Tyndall who only worries about the EU, UKIP worries about Britain.
    Nobody in UKIP will still be alive for the GE after the one in 2020.

    Really? I like to think that I will live past my late 50s. Not sure I will still be a member of UKIP of course but that could also be said for most members of most parties barring the fanatics who seem to post on here.
    I have to say Richard that I found James Bond's comment somewhat distasteful, and I am usually a fan of his posts. I suspect he didn't mean it as it came across.
    Well, I meant it more or less literally; the election after 2020 will most likely be in 2025 and in 11 years' time the average UKIP member will be, well, 11 years older than now. Given where they're starting from, this is a party that's going to get smaller.

    But, that's obviously not the case. UKIP membership is increasing. Ergo, the people joining the party outnumber party members who are dying off.

    The Conservatives, otoh, have lost over half their members since 2006.


    There is a critical mass which every political party needs. The Tories have gone below the critical mass in Scotland and the North. In fact, any vote for them there is effectively a wasted vote.

    There are signs that the same may be happening in Yorkshire. The Tories are retreating into Fortress South East. They are becoming a regional party.
    To be fair, for the Scottish Parliament , voting Tory is not particularly wasted - they do reasonably well as a minor party. It's only the Tory-beloved FPTP system for Westminster which means panda territory - it means that any Scottish vote for a Tory, except perhaps in parts of the Borders, is going to be wasted.

  • NinoinozNinoinoz Posts: 1,312

    Sean_F said:

    Look at the party that does attract does such voters, and it's clear why nobody wants you.

    I wasn't aware that one vote had a different value to another, so one "loonie" vote was equal to one "sensible" vote.

    Sean_F said:

    Meanwhile, you're voting against your interests - because you're loonies.
    Surely people are best left to judge their own best interests, not some patronising Tory.
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  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,710

    Hasn't he done so already ? I thought Nikki Sinclair was the first elected transgender politician in the UK.

    Well, perhaps not according to her:

    'Nigel Farage is a bullying, hypocritical, preening show pony: Sex change MEP who clashed with her ex-boss argues why he's a disgrace to UKIP - and to intelligent women like her.'

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581805/Nigel-Farage-bullying-hypocritical-preening-pony-Sex-change-MEP-clashed-ex-boss-argues-hes-disgrace-UKIP-intelligent-women-like-her.html
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited March 2014
    UKIP has been dominating this thread, and as UKIP -the party - is now getting 200± recruits a week it will soon overtake the L/dems, if it hasn't already, I will now offer my bi-monthly forecast for the 2015 GE; steady now, those at the back.

    The forecast for the number of UKIP seats that will be gained.......is.......wait for it............27.
    There now, that wasn't painful, was it?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,682

    Interesting to see Farage making a pitch for the gay, lesbian and transgender vote.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/03/18/nigel-farage-confirms-that-ukip-will-not-abolish-same-sex-marriage/

    I've always suspected that Farage was one of those public-school, mildly libertarian, 'enlightened' Tories - much in the mould of George Osborne. The question is: can Farage take his party with him?

    I do hope that this is a genuine moveto reestablish a Libertarian agenda within UKIP but I am not going to hold my breath. I suspect this is more a case of accepting the inevitable and as such is half hearted at best.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,014
    MikeK said:

    UKIP has been dominating this thread, and as UKIP -the party - is now getting 200± recruits a week it will soon overtake the L/dems, if it hasn't already, I will now offer my bi-monthly forecast for the 2015 GE; steady now, those at the back.

    The forecast for the number of UKIP seats that will be gained.......is.......wait for it............27.
    There now, that wasn't painful, was it?

    As usual you won't want a bet on that? Tell you what, you think 27 I will give you evens they get less than 7. £50?

  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Interesting to see Farage making a pitch for the gay, lesbian and transgender vote.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/03/18/nigel-farage-confirms-that-ukip-will-not-abolish-same-sex-marriage/

    I've always suspected that Farage was one of those public-school, mildly libertarian, 'enlightened' Tories - much in the mould of George Osborne. The question is: can Farage take his party with him?

    I do hope that this is a genuine moveto reestablish a Libertarian agenda within UKIP but I am not going to hold my breath. I suspect this is more a case of accepting the inevitable and as such is half hearted at best.
    Agree with this, unfortunately. A genuinely libertarian party would be a fantastic step forward for the country. This, however, isn't evidence of it happening (yet).

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