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Most Brits would either be unbothered or pleased if the Malvinas went to Argentina
Most Brits would either be unbothered or pleased if the Malvinas went to Argentina– politicalbetting.com
I am a bit surprised by these findings, those people expecting a terrible backlash for Starmer over the Chagos Islands will be shocked as I think more Brits value the Falkands than the Chagos Islands.
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The way the Chagossians were treated was disgraceful.
The Falkland Islanders have repeatedly and democratically made their views clear.
I doubt most people know what the “Falklands” are and they probably think “Malvinas” is a fruit cocktail or maybe a special dance
However
1. It does add to the bad smell surrounding him and his party, the aura of incompetence and lies and
2. It’s really damaged him with political and military experts - who are scorching him from all sides. Apart from Jeremy Corbyn. That may be important in the longer term
The other difference is that one of the legs supporting the Ulster peace process was the UK saying "we're only here as long as we're wanted". That's normalised that idea, I suspect. Keeping a bit of land because it's in our interests doesn't compute as well now as it might have done in the past. Ruling the waves sounds a bit... weird.
"Wouldn't bother me if my firm fired me. Fuck em."
Oh, they actually have. The bustards.
Bet SSW is one of them.
I think it's a good thing if we do rule the waves. We just don't invest enough in it.
Fortunately Milei has other things on his plate and he doesn't seem too keen on the Malvinas anyway
There is, of course, the vexed question of oil reserves. I suggest we leave it in the ground in accordance with Government policy. Future generations will thank us.
This is one of the criminal aspects of the Chagos Treachery, we are handing a significant prize to China AND FOR NO REASON AT ALL. We haven’t even done right by the Chagossians, we’ve done right by China, who will now plunder those pristine waters, and menace the American base
Sensationally stupid by Starmer, world class fuckwittery
Beyond the obvious that most people don't know/don't care - and there's now more of an instinct to think "why is it still British?" over "Wow, it's great it's still British" I think Labour are helped by the messiness of the Conservative involvement in previous versions of this deal.
Even if you think they've struck a bad deal, it's less easier to characterise as a case of woke, unpatriotic Labour selling out Britain to appease its base when several leading Tories seem to have been open to it in principle, but quibbling over the details.
To which, fair enough as a critique. But it doesn't play as easily into the broadbrush caricatures of Labour's attitudes towards patriotism that are often damaging.
The people of the Chagos Islands just want to be allowed to go home.
He'll be tossing and turning.
lol
We will always have Brexit to annoy the fuck out of them
Have you got over it yet?
However over the years I suspect this will come back to haunt Starmer. it feels like the base ingredient of a poisonous cocktail: for him
Indeed it was Tory cuts proposed in the 1981 white paper, including scrapping Endurance, our only ship in the Falklands that led Argentina to think we weren't interested in defending the islands.
But back then, oh god ... yuck.
A freeze on old age pensions in particular hasn't been popular, so very different to our Triple Lock so beloved of our Tories.
His only goal was to persuade enough gullible twats to vote for it.
But hey, you'll always be that. I mean have that.
I'd be surprised if there's anything more than a token return of people. The islands (excepting Diego Garcia) are tiny. No space for another airport - are the Americans going to allow them to land planes for this, and operate a ferry port? Seems unlikely.
On the second question I'm not sure whether the one-third who answered "Stay British" were expressing a desire to send the Navy in to override the wishes of the Islanders, or if they were offering advice to the Islanders on their best interests.
Kinda surprised that "Up to the Falklanders" didn't have a huge majority.
The British resident Chagossians seem more keen on getting British citizenship and compensation.
Only Maggie had the balls to send in the Fleet and do whatever it took to win.
If the residents wanted to go Argentinian then I couldn't care less, respect their choices, but that cuts both ways and if (since) they want to be British then democracy should be respected.
Self determination goes both ways.
Fuck of a sight more than 35% is my guess.
Would help with resolving the housing crisis and remove people who seriously hate this country anyway.
URBAN GASTROLOUNGE
It’s rather pleasant, and indeed absurdly cheap, my editor at the Gazette is correct
Btw I just wrote an exquisitely cruel pen portrait of you, designed to conclude this comment with a sadistic flourish - but as I look at it I wonder if it is too cruel. It skewers you too brutally. So I am going to delete it. You can thank me at your leisure
It was a feature of our campaign to re elect Margaret Thatcher in 1983, as I was the driver for campaign for the late Wyn Roberts, as lots of questions were asked at the hustings not least because of the slaughter of the Welsh Guards
My wife and I visited the Falklands on our expedition to Antarctica in 2009 and it is a remote number of islands with sheep and amazing wildlife but few inhabitants and on the face of it seems understandable if some want it to return to Argentina, but ultimately if it is the Islanders decision, as it was in 1982, to remain British then we should defend that democratic wish
However, the best answer is to keep it as it as at present
The viability of remote islands is a bit of an issue in a world that has moved a long way from subsistence farming.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Journeyman
I just value different British traditions to your Jingoism.
SpaceX engineers are trying to deliver Starlink terminals & supplies to devastated areas in North Carolina right now and @FEMA is both failing to help AND won’t let others help. This is unconscionable!!
They just took this video a few hours ago, where you can see the level of devastation: roads, houses, electricity, water supply and ground Internet connections completely destroyed.
@FEMA wouldn’t let them land to deliver critical supplies … my blood is boiling …
We were devastated at the loss of the Welsh Guards here in Wales and it was very much the story of our hustings in 1983
Fascinating
Rein the wife, kids, brothers, grandkids and second cousin twice-removed step-daughters close family friend crap, and give it a rest.
No-one cares.
Why don’t major powers treat decisions of the UN as binding? Why can’t governments renounce war? Why can’t the Jews and Arabs get on together in a unitary State?
I say to them "look at the map - tell me which Aegean islands are obviously Turkish".
His tales of the Falklands are in his book "The Red and Green Life Machine" about his hospital on San Carlos water. He had a remarkably good survival rate for wounded, despite the limited facilities and 2 unexploded bombs in the roof. In part because of his policy of delayed wound closure for gunshot wounds.
He was uniquely decorated by both UK government and the Argentinians and treated as a celebrity there when he visited Argentina by veterans who survived because of his care of Argentinian wounded. A true British Hero.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Jolly
No people. No sheep. A nature reserve, belonging to nobody.
Annoying whenever it opened when I was trying to get back to Tower Hill for the tube home.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Kosovo
We were all quite drunk and they interviewed us and I was clearly exuberant and the American TV guy said “what do you think should happen now” and I said “now we reconquer America!” And they laughed and it was cool
And then afterwards the guy told me “you know that was live and it went out on CBS News in the USA?”
My American media career peaked early
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LruHv0PZ82E
Much harder on the junta than Thatcher.
I’ve already seen the famously hideous modernist buildings
Thought not.
There are restaurants around here with items that cost much less than 1 euro. I’ve no idea what they are but they aren’t condiments
Maybe plain salad or olives or something
50p!
In the actual historical Falklands rumpus/war, the matter was precipitated by invasion. Until that happened the only people who had ever heard of them were stamp collectors and experts on the history of sheep rearing.
It is completely understandable that UK people would, on the whole, accept whatever the Falklands people decided on the basis of self determination. This wasn't asked; many when asked would have assumed that's what was meant.
Judging by the mad free for all outside their economic zone, this protects fish stocks.
The other thing the Falklands and South Georgia does is give the U.K. a seat at the Antarctic table. Where U.K. policy has been to block all development - since before the Antarctic treaty system.
Argentina is in favour of no holds barred exploitation of both.